Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 In a message dated 8/14/2008 at 1:31:42 PM Central Daylight Time, SquishyMommyof2@... writes: Now i dont know HOW true it is, but some women on Cafemom claim their kids werent vaxed and have Autism.? Who knows though. Alyssa, Ah, but were the moms? What about fillings in the mother's teeth? Just some thoughts Kim **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Forgive me if the original post went through. I clicked so fast that it looked like I went to messages before it was finish sending. I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone or kids that have autism that have never had any vaccines. I have friends with autistic children but they are all vaccinated. One friend has video of how normal her son was before his 3rd MMR shot. By the 3rd MMR he was totally different. I have another friend who's son has some health issues. The Dr. told her he couldn't believe he wasn't autistic. She said she felt very strongly not to do the vaccines on him. Her Dr. told her had she done them he would have been autistic. Apparently he has some precursures that make him more of a target. She is getting a medical exemption which is very rare in my state to get. Anyway I would love to find some research on the percentages of Autistic children/vaccines and non vaccine children and autistim. I was raised without vaccines. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Now i dont know HOW true it is, but some women on Cafemom claim their kids werent vaxed and have Autism.? Who knows though. Alyssa non vax kids with autism? I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids I know with autism have been vaccinated. I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really burns me. My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I wonder if they were exposed to mercury fillings or at what age they became autistic? My dh told me a co worker was told her infant is autistic. Can they diagnose it in babies under 3 months? I thought the baby was around 6- 8 weeks old. I'm almost feeling that Dr's are over diagnosing autism. My natural Dr. did some things to my friend's son to help remove toxins and for the first time he started speaking (first time since he became autistic) He got up in church one Sunday and even shared some feelings. Those of us that knew him were in tears because he never spoke before. Mostly just screamed, squealed and jumped around. She also noticed that if she cut out sugars and certain foods that it really helped but her inlaws said it was nonsense and gave him all the taboo things. Of course than he got sent home with her and she had to deal with the reactions. Ugh. We don't even do the vit K shot or eye drops with our babies. Diane > Now i dont know HOW true it is, but some women on Cafemom claim their kids werent vaxed and have Autism.? Who knows though. > > Alyssa > > > > > > > > non vax kids with autism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids > > I know with autism have been vaccinated. > > > > I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a > > friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have > > videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he > > is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really > > burns me. > > > > My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and > > the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get > > very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs > > and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I wonder if they were exposed to mercury fillings or at what age they became autistic? My dh told me a co worker was told her infant is autistic. Can they diagnose it in babies under 3 months? I thought the baby was around 6- 8 weeks old. I'm almost feeling that Dr's are over diagnosing autism. My natural Dr. did some things to my friend's son to help remove toxins and for the first time he started speaking (first time since he became autistic) He got up in church one Sunday and even shared some feelings. Those of us that knew him were in tears because he never spoke before. Mostly just screamed, squealed and jumped around. She also noticed that if she cut out sugars and certain foods that it really helped but her inlaws said it was nonsense and gave him all the taboo things. Of course than he got sent home with her and she had to deal with the reactions. Ugh. We don't even do the vit K shot or eye drops with our babies. Diane > Now i dont know HOW true it is, but some women on Cafemom claim their kids werent vaxed and have Autism.? Who knows though. > > Alyssa > > > > > > > > non vax kids with autism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids > > I know with autism have been vaccinated. > > > > I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a > > friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have > > videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he > > is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really > > burns me. > > > > My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and > > the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get > > very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs > > and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Diane, Just want to say that I just love reading posts from adults that had parents smart enough " back when " to protect their kids from these poisons even with limited information. Good for you (and kudos to your Dad)!. Ari  Arianna Mojica-  (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston non vax kids with autism? I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids I know with autism have been vaccinated. I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really burns me. My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. Diane ~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health ~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com  http://www.vacinfo.org/ http://www.moorbows.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://www.vran.or\ g/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Diane, Just want to say that I just love reading posts from adults that had parents smart enough " back when " to protect their kids from these poisons even with limited information. Good for you (and kudos to your Dad)!. Ari  Arianna Mojica-  (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston non vax kids with autism? I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids I know with autism have been vaccinated. I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really burns me. My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. Diane ~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health ~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com  http://www.vacinfo.org/ http://www.moorbows.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://www.vran.or\ g/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 My son has some vaccinations and is autistic. Although he has not received the mmr that several say that that is what causes autism. I wait till the day that they figure out what causes autism. I feel it is some link to vaccinations though. From: MomSchumm@... <MomSchumm@...> Subject: Re: non vax kids with autism? Vaccinations Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 4:00 PM In a message dated 8/14/2008 at 1:31:42 PM Central Daylight Time, SquishyMommyof2@ aol.com writes: Now i dont know HOW true it is, but some women on Cafemom claim their kids werent vaxed and have Autism.? Who knows though. Alyssa, Ah, but were the moms? What about fillings in the mother's teeth? Just some thoughts Kim ************ **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- Volkswagen- Jetta-2009/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00030 000000007 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I was vaxed as a kid but don't know which ones. I know some the doctor's wouldn't do. I do have some fillings and I had mercury rhogam. He got the vita K shot. But he has had no vaccines and david still has classic autism. has asperger's as does her daddy as does her cousin as does her grandma (paternal). There are many causes. Which one triggered? I don't know. It almost doesn't matter. He has no signs of gluten problems either. Normal bm's and normal pees. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I stopped vax at 6 mos. - my son doesn't quite qualify for the " label " as he doesn't have enough behaviors. However, on labs - per DAN! most definately on the spectrum. Thankfully, he is recovering from HEAVY METAL POISENING. And, I've met Kim Staglione - editor of Ageofautism.com - she has 3 unvacinated autistic girls > From: MomSchumm@... <MomSchumm@...> > Subject: Re: non vax kids with autism? > Vaccinations > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 4:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 at 1:31:42 PM Central Daylight Time, > > SquishyMommyof2@ aol.com writes: > > > > Now i dont know HOW true it is, but some women on Cafemom claim their kids > > werent vaxed and have Autism.? Who knows though. > > > > Alyssa, > > > > Ah, but were the moms? What about fillings in the mother's teeth? > > > > Just some thoughts > > > > Kim > > > > ************ **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- Volkswagen- Jetta-2009/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00030 000000007 ) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I've met some through Mothering.com. They do exist. Lori non vax kids with autism? Forgive me if the original post went through. I clicked so fast that it looked like I went to messages before it was finish sending. I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone or kids that have autism that have never had any vaccines. I have friends with autistic children but they are all vaccinated. One friend has video of how normal her son was before his 3rd MMR shot. By the 3rd MMR he was totally different. I have another friend who's son has some health issues. The Dr. told her he couldn't believe he wasn't autistic. She said she felt very strongly not to do the vaccines on him. Her Dr. told her had she done them he would have been autistic. Apparently he has some precursures that make him more of a target. She is getting a medical exemption which is very rare in my state to get. Anyway I would love to find some research on the percentages of Autistic children/vaccines and non vaccine children and autistim. I was raised without vaccines. Diane No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 8/14/2008 6:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Never posted before but wanted to reply to this. I have a non- vaccinated son with autism. We had an induced pregnancy (pitocin, epidural) and my midwife suggested I give him a vit K shot since he had a cut to his head. However, I ate almost entirely organic for many years, primarily a vegetarian with the exception of low mercury fish on occasion, only fed my son organic homemade babyfood, did no TV until 2.5 years, and never gave him medicine or antibiotics (except 1x at 18 mnths when we were exposed to pertussus). However, he is autistic. He is high- functioning. I do believe vaccines can be the overload to onset autism but it is certainly not the only one. I am just thankful that I don't have to ask myself " what if " . > > Forgive me if the original post went through. I clicked so fast that > it looked like I went to messages before it was finish sending. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone or kids that have autism > that have never had any vaccines. > > I have friends with autistic children but they are all vaccinated. > One friend has video of how normal her son was before his 3rd MMR > shot. By the 3rd MMR he was totally different. > > I have another friend who's son has some health issues. The Dr. told > her he couldn't believe he wasn't autistic. She said she felt very > strongly not to do the vaccines on him. Her Dr. told her had she done > them he would have been autistic. Apparently he has some precursures > that make him more of a target. She is getting a medical exemption > which is very rare in my state to get. > > Anyway I would love to find some research on the percentages of > Autistic children/vaccines and non vaccine children and autistim. > > I was raised without vaccines. > > Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Never posted before but wanted to reply to this. I have a non- vaccinated son with autism. We had an induced pregnancy (pitocin, epidural) and my midwife suggested I give him a vit K shot since he had a cut to his head. However, I ate almost entirely organic for many years, primarily a vegetarian with the exception of low mercury fish on occasion, only fed my son organic homemade babyfood, did no TV until 2.5 years, and never gave him medicine or antibiotics (except 1x at 18 mnths when we were exposed to pertussus). However, he is autistic. He is high- functioning. I do believe vaccines can be the overload to onset autism but it is certainly not the only one. I am just thankful that I don't have to ask myself " what if " . > > Forgive me if the original post went through. I clicked so fast that > it looked like I went to messages before it was finish sending. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone or kids that have autism > that have never had any vaccines. > > I have friends with autistic children but they are all vaccinated. > One friend has video of how normal her son was before his 3rd MMR > shot. By the 3rd MMR he was totally different. > > I have another friend who's son has some health issues. The Dr. told > her he couldn't believe he wasn't autistic. She said she felt very > strongly not to do the vaccines on him. Her Dr. told her had she done > them he would have been autistic. Apparently he has some precursures > that make him more of a target. She is getting a medical exemption > which is very rare in my state to get. > > Anyway I would love to find some research on the percentages of > Autistic children/vaccines and non vaccine children and autistim. > > I was raised without vaccines. > > Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 That makes sense about the mercury. If the babies were breastfed and the mom had mercury fillings, I would think that could be a problem. And I've never heard of an infant being diagnosed with autism. How would one determine that? Winnie non vax kids with autism? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All > the > kids > > > > I know with autism have been vaccinated. > > > > > > > > I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I > had a > > > > friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They > have > > > > videos of him before where he is totally normal and than > afterwards > he > > > > is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It > really > > > > burns me. > > > > > > > > My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever > vaccinated > and > > > > the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we > didn't get > > > > very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge > of > herbs > > > > and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Wasn't there some statistic of the Amish, who don't vaccinate, something like 4 in 22,000 kids have autism. Someone correct me if I'm wrong (which is usually the case ). > > I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids > I know with autism have been vaccinated. > > I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a > friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have > videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he > is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really > burns me. > > My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and > the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get > very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs > and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. > > Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I have been on dozens of autism related groups over the years, and yes rarely you hear of a child that is not vaxed having autism. Most of the time they are high functioning, and it is my personal theory that these kids would be severely affected if they had recieved vaccines. Kids on the spectrum have problems detoxing toxins. We live in a toxic world with plenty of exposure possibilities. But vaccines give large amounts during critical developmental stages, so are the most dangerous risk factors. Not having vaccines doesn't mean you have dodged the toxin bullet though. Sylvia > > > > Forgive me if the original post went through. I clicked so fast > that > > it looked like I went to messages before it was finish sending. > > > > I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone or kids that have autism > > that have never had any vaccines. > > > > I have friends with autistic children but they are all vaccinated. > > One friend has video of how normal her son was before his 3rd MMR > > shot. By the 3rd MMR he was totally different. > > > > I have another friend who's son has some health issues. The Dr. > told > > her he couldn't believe he wasn't autistic. She said she felt very > > strongly not to do the vaccines on him. Her Dr. told her had she > done > > them he would have been autistic. Apparently he has some > precursures > > that make him more of a target. She is getting a medical exemption > > which is very rare in my state to get. > > > > Anyway I would love to find some research on the percentages of > > Autistic children/vaccines and non vaccine children and autistim. > > > > I was raised without vaccines. > > > > Diane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism could be something in our genetic makeup or that some people are predisposed to it. It seems that those that are predisposed end up with more serious autism when vaccinated? I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but that didn't effect them thankfully. It would be interesting to know what is in the enviroment etc that could contribute to autism. On the news in our area a few months back they did a show on dinnerware. Turns out it had lead in it and when tested it was in the food. If I remember correctly the nursing mothers even had it in their breast milk. Ugh. So if we live in an area where mercury is higher for some reason it could be in our systems and effect our babies? It really makes you wonder with all the toxic waste and pullution going on. It's like our systems are getting overloaded. Our Chiropractor did some kind of detox on my friend's son and it made a big difference in him. I thought that was interesting. Looks like our enviroment as well as what goes into us can effect things. Okay totally rambling. I appreciate hearing form non vaxing mothers that are dealing with Autism. I was really curious if they existed. (autistic children that aren't vaxed). Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Yes, there are very FEW children who are unvaccinated with autism. A few parents of those children are on the list. At one point I would like to do some research with those parents, but not yet. In my experience most moms have had one or more of the following: 1. Pitocin and/or 2. Antibiotics during pregnancy or delivery or postnatal but also breastfeeding AND/OR the infant has had antibiotics early on or repeatedly. and/or 3. Traumatic event during pregnancy or labor/delivery/newborn time period 4. Use of tylenol/calpol with antibiotics above 5. Mercury fillings in mom or near mercury spewing coal power plant or other serious toxin These are 4 of the major factors for unvaccinated. But there are very very few of these children within the 1 in 67 children in the US with autism. Sheri listowner > > > > > > Forgive me if the original post went through. I clicked so fast > > that > > > it looked like I went to messages before it was finish sending. > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone or kids that have > autism > > > that have never had any vaccines. > > > > > > I have friends with autistic children but they are all > vaccinated. > > > One friend has video of how normal her son was before his 3rd MMR > > > shot. By the 3rd MMR he was totally different. > > > > > > I have another friend who's son has some health issues. The Dr. > > told > > > her he couldn't believe he wasn't autistic. She said she felt > very > > > strongly not to do the vaccines on him. Her Dr. told her had she > > done > > > them he would have been autistic. Apparently he has some > > precursures > > > that make him more of a target. She is getting a medical > exemption > > > which is very rare in my state to get. > > > > > > Anyway I would love to find some research on the percentages of > > > Autistic children/vaccines and non vaccine children and autistim. > > > > > > I was raised without vaccines. > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 > > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism could be > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are predisposed > to it. Well, maybe in a way - but 'they' are trying to make it a genetic epidemic which is NOT possible. We all come in, inheriting tendencies or what homeopaths call miasms. And then we also acquire injury. So some are more susceptible to certain things and others more susceptible to others. So some may be more susceptible to vaccine injury if of a certain miasmatic make up. And others not so susceptible and therefore can take a lot of toxic assault before showing problems. Also not all vaccine injury shows right away or even in a short period after vaccines such as autism. Many are affected for life and have lifelong deeper chronic illness that may not show up until later. Now that we have 2nd and 3rd generation heavily vaccinated and heavily medicated with antibiotics, tylenol and other drugs, we are seeing more problems too, in my opinion, along with much larger numbers of toxic junk vaccines. > > It seems that those that are predisposed end up with more serious > autism when vaccinated? > > I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but that didn't > effect them thankfully. Most can take this exposure and are able to excrete the mercury but more and more cannot - known as non-excretors. I don't believe that is just some flukey thing, but that is the result of vaccine injury. Sheri listowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 also, besides what I said earlier, often these children have had hep b vax at birth and the parent didn't know it or it was given even though the parent had said was refusing it. Sheri ---- MomSchumm@... wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/2008 at 1:31:42 PM Central Daylight Time, > SquishyMommyof2@... writes: > > > Now i dont know HOW true it is, but some women on Cafemom claim their kids > werent vaxed and have Autism.? Who knows though. > > > Alyssa, > > Ah, but were the moms? What about fillings in the mother's teeth? > > Just some thoughts > > Kim > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\ 00000007 ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hi Sheri, Don't forget also that - autism can be caused by congenital infections. Here are a few examples of autism developing in children as a result of congenital cytomegalovirus infections. 1: J Autism Dev Disord. 1983 Sep;13(3):249-53.Related Articles, Links Autism in a child with congenital cytomegalovirus infection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6315673?dopt=Abstract Markowitz PI. A case is reported of early infantile autism associated with a congenital cytomegalovirus infection. The diagnosis of autism is based on the child's failure to develop good interpersonal relationships, poor eye contact, delayed and deviant use of language, and her rote and nonthematic use of objects and playthings. Resistance to change and self-stimulatory behavior were also present. Onset was before 2 years of age. Congenital cytomegalovirus infection was suggested by the presence of an antibody response to the virus, culture of the virus from the urine, sensorineural hearing loss, and inflammatory damage to the retina of the eye. Although over time improvement was noted, at last examination at the age of 5 years her behavior is still markedly deviant. This and other reported cases suggest that congenital viral infection may be an important cause of infantile autism. It is hypothesized that an ability of the agent to establish chronic infection may predispose to behavioral aberration. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- 1: J Autism Dev Disord. 2004 Oct;34(5):583-6.Related Articles, Links Brief report: autistic disorder in three children with cytomegalovirus infection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15628611?dopt=Abstract Sweeten TL, Posey DJ, McDougle CJ. Department of Psychiatry, Indiana University School of Medicine, Indianapolis, IN 46202-4800, USA. Previous research has identified a relationship between autistic disorder (autism) and specific congenital infections. Three cases of congenital or perinatal cytomegalovirus (CMV) infection occurring in association with autism are described. Hypothetical mechanisms relating congenital infection, such as CMV, to the development of autism are discussed. A better understanding of the immunologic response to certain congenital infections may provide important information pertaining to the pathophysiology and etiology of autism in vulnerable individuals. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Neuropediatrics. 1990 May;21(2):102-3.Related Articles, Links Autism as one of several disabilities in two children with congenital cytomegalovirus infection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2163029?dopt=Abstract Ivarsson SA, Bjerre I, Vegfors P, Ahlfors K. Department of Pediatric, University of Lund, Malmö General Hospital, Sweden. Two children with congenital cytomegalovirus (CMV)-infection, severely disabled where autism was one of the disabilities are described. The characterization of the maternal infection have been possible and the connection between congenital CMV-infection and autism is discussed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- 1: J Autism Child Schizophr. 1978 Mar;8(1):37-43.Related Articles, Links Autistic symptoms in a child with congenital cytomegalovirus infection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/205531?dopt=Abstract Stubbs EG. A case of intrauterine cytomegalovirus infection with onset of autistic symptoms apparently after 6 months of age is reported. Physicians who find autistic symptoms in very young children might include cytomegalovirus in their differential to document the presence or absence of a correlation. Rosemary > > Yes, there are very FEW children who are unvaccinated with autism. A > few parents of those children are on the list. > > At one point I would like to do some research with those parents, but > not yet. > > In my experience most moms have had one or more of the following: > > 1. Pitocin and/or > 2. Antibiotics during pregnancy or delivery or postnatal but also > breastfeeding AND/OR the infant has had antibiotics early on or > repeatedly. and/or > 3. Traumatic event during pregnancy or labor/delivery/newborn time period > 4. Use of tylenol/calpol with antibiotics above > 5. Mercury fillings in mom or near mercury spewing coal power plant > or other serious toxin > > These are 4 of the major factors for unvaccinated. But there are very > very few of these children within the 1 in 67 children in the US with > autism. > > Sheri > listowner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 I do believe that vaccines are a major trigger. But wasn't the first case study the son of a scientist working with mercury based fertalizers? If the child is unvaxed I'd wonder what the vax status of the mother is first... Has she had Rubella vaccine recently, regular flu shots, Rhogam? Or other vaccines too, aren't only the childhood ones supposedly mercury free? The dental mercury could have an affect. Where does she live? I read somewhere about a schoolroom in NJ(?) where all of the children born to women teachig in a specific classroom (except a girl) were autistic. And New Jersey has one of the highest autism rates in the country, isn't that where the pharma companies are located? Are they poluting the air? Could she have been exposed to Rubella during gestation? There are many things to consider that don't rule out the connection. I really wish these kinds of things were being studied. After all not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, but we all know that smoking causes lung cancer. And there are those who don't smoke who end up with lung cancer. My FIL is an example: He is 87 and has lung cancer, but he stopped smoking 50 yrs ago. BUT he spent years and years going to the track (smoke filled rooms) and his friend that drives him smokes like a chimmney in the car.... another Diane > > I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids > I know with autism have been vaccinated. > > I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a > friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have > videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he > is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really > burns me. > > My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and > the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get > very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs > and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. > > Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 This is really interesting. I would love to read more about non-vax kids and their incidence of autism-spectrum disorders. Can you point us to any studies/articles? It doesn't change the way I feel about vaccines, but could make me more careful of other toxin-delivering hazards. For example, I didn't know about the fillings before I got on this list - I might have had them checked or removed. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Forgive me if the original post went through. I clicked so fast > > > that > > > > it looked like I went to messages before it was finish sending. > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone or kids that have > > autism > > > > that have never had any vaccines. > > > > > > > > I have friends with autistic children but they are all > > vaccinated. > > > > One friend has video of how normal her son was before his 3rd MMR > > > > shot. By the 3rd MMR he was totally different. > > > > > > > > I have another friend who's son has some health issues. The Dr. > > > told > > > > her he couldn't believe he wasn't autistic. She said she felt > > very > > > > strongly not to do the vaccines on him. Her Dr. told her had she > > > done > > > > them he would have been autistic. Apparently he has some > > > precursures > > > > that make him more of a target. She is getting a medical > > exemption > > > > which is very rare in my state to get. > > > > > > > > Anyway I would love to find some research on the percentages of > > > > Autistic children/vaccines and non vaccine children and autistim. > > > > > > > > I was raised without vaccines. > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 I believe it's something like that. And the ones that have it were adopted, or something like that. > > Wasn't there some statistic of the Amish, who don't vaccinate, > something like 4 in 22,000 kids have autism. Someone correct me if I'm > wrong (which is usually the case ). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 How would one know if they have mercury fillings? Tori > > That makes sense about the mercury. If the babies were breastfed and the mom had mercury fillings, I would think that could be a problem. > > And I've never heard of an infant being diagnosed with autism. How would one determine that? > > Winnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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