Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Also keep in mind that the Rhogam shot given to expectant mothers that have negative blood contained thimerosal up until a few years ago. > > > > That makes sense about the mercury. If the babies were breastfed and > the mom had mercury fillings, I would think that could be a problem. > > > > And I've never heard of an infant being diagnosed with autism. How > would one determine that? > > > > Winnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 I live in Hazleton, PA and it is known as " Coal Country " . I never heard of a coal power plant in my area but is I am wondering if there is a way I can find out the incidence of Autism in my area? Tori > 1. Pitocin and/or > 2. Antibiotics during pregnancy or delivery or postnatal but also > breastfeeding AND/OR the infant has had antibiotics early on or > repeatedly. and/or > 3. Traumatic event during pregnancy or labor/delivery/newborn time period > 4. Use of tylenol/calpol with antibiotics above > 5. Mercury fillings in mom or near mercury spewing coal power plant > or other serious toxin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Exactly. I have two boys with autism. My oldest son is high functioning, while my youngest is more severe and completely non- verbal. My oldest actually had MORE vaccines than his little brother, but his little brother had more Tylenol and antibiotics, which made the vaccine injuries worse. When I was seeing developmental problems with my oldest, I made sure to follow the doctors instructions to the T for my youngest. I rarely gave my oldsest Tylenol, but I made sure I gave my youngest Tylenol before and after each set of shots, just like his doctor told me to. (I later learned how incredibly stupid that was, and believe the widespread recommendation of Tylenol use in infants is a major player in the autism epidemic.) Tylenol depletes glutathione. You need glutathione to detox poisons. So giving something that keeps poisons inside of you at the same time you give poisons, is not good. My youngest also had constant ear infections, which meant Thimerosal laced ear drops, more Tylenol, and constant antibiotics. So even though my youngest had less vaccines, the " extras " made them a thousand times worse. Sylvia > > > > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism could be > > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are predisposed > > to it. > > Well, maybe in a way - but 'they' are trying to make it a genetic > epidemic which is NOT possible. > > We all come in, inheriting tendencies or what homeopaths call miasms. > And then we also acquire injury. So some are more susceptible to > certain things and others more susceptible to others. > > So some may be more susceptible to vaccine injury if of a certain > miasmatic make up. And others not so susceptible and therefore can > take a lot of toxic assault before showing problems. > > Also not all vaccine injury shows right away or even in a short period > after vaccines such as autism. Many are affected for life and have > lifelong deeper chronic illness that may not show up until later. > > Now that we have 2nd and 3rd generation heavily vaccinated and heavily > medicated with antibiotics, tylenol and other drugs, we are seeing > more problems too, in my opinion, along with much larger numbers of > toxic junk vaccines. > > > > It seems that those that are predisposed end up with more serious > > autism when vaccinated? > > > > I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but that didn't > > effect them thankfully. > > Most can take this exposure and are able to excrete the mercury but > more and more cannot - known as non-excretors. I don't believe that > is just some flukey thing, but that is the result of vaccine injury. > > Sheri listowner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 examples of toxics in env't - lead, mercury, arsenic, aluminum, pesticides (both insecticides and herbicides/lawn chemicals), air emissions from factories, CCA on pressure treated wood on some old decks/ fencing/ playground equipment, cleaning chemicals, air fresheners/scented candles - go to www.scorecard.org and type in your zip code and see what factories are emitting in your area. Other helpful sites are www.beyondpesticides.org and www.healthandenvironment.org and www.healthychild.org Re: non vax kids with autism? Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism could be something in our genetic makeup or that some people are predisposed to it. It seems that those that are predisposed end up with more serious autism when vaccinated? I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but that didn't effect them thankfully. It would be interesting to know what is in the enviroment etc that could contribute to autism. On the news in our area a few months back they did a show on dinnerware. Turns out it had lead in it and when tested it was in the food. If I remember correctly the nursing mothers even had it in their breast milk. Ugh. So if we live in an area where mercury is higher for some reason it could be in our systems and effect our babies? It really makes you wonder with all the toxic waste and pullution going on. It's like our systems are getting overloaded. Our Chiropractor did some kind of detox on my friend's son and it made a big difference in him. I thought that was interesting. Looks like our enviroment as well as what goes into us can effect things. Okay totally rambling. I appreciate hearing form non vaxing mothers that are dealing with Autism. I was really curious if they existed. (autistic children that aren't vaxed). Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: " If everyone smoked, then lung cancer would be genetic. " Sylvia > > > > I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the > kids > > I know with autism have been vaccinated. > > > > I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a > > friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have > > videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards > he > > is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really > > burns me. > > > > My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated > and > > the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get > > very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of > herbs > > and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. > > > > Diane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 In answer to your questions I do know a mom who has two autistic children -- first fully vaxed, second no vax -- both autistic. So although I believe vaccines are a major contributor to the problem, I don't believe they're the only cause. And I'm not sure I'd use the term " genetic " either. My belief is that there are multiple triggers (environmental toxins, poor air quality, poor diet, low quality food, weakned immune system) and that leaves the child more suseptible to these triggers which results in way too many children with chronic illness and autism. Health & blessings, *My Mission is to educate familis and bsuinesses on the* * financial & health benefits of going Green!* http://www.shaklee.net/EcoClean/getclean Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:54 AM, herbmom92 <herbmom@...> wrote: > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism could be > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are predisposed > to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 I knew Tylenol was bad and refuse have it in the house but I didn't know that about the glutathione depletion. And they are so casual about prescribing it for any and all ills. Recently, my elderly parents were told by a nurse to stop using Bendryl as a sleeping aid (after my begging them for years) because it's not good for them, messes up their sleep patterns, etc. I was thrilled until she said if they really felt they needed something to take Tylenol PM. The kicker? Not only is the Tylenol not a sleep aid, the PM formula has Benadryl in it! That's what makes them sleepy. These experts have no clue what they're telling people. Anyway, I'm sure the Tylenol and antibiotics contributed to your son's condition. How old are your children again? Winnie Re: non vax kids with autism? Vaccinations > Exactly. I have two boys with autism. My oldest son is high > functioning, while my youngest is more severe and completely non- > verbal. My oldest actually had MORE vaccines than his little > brother, > but his little brother had more Tylenol and antibiotics, which > made > the vaccine injuries worse. > > When I was seeing developmental problems with my oldest, I made > sure > to follow the doctors instructions to the T for my youngest. I > rarely > gave my oldsest Tylenol, but I made sure I gave my youngest > Tylenol > before and after each set of shots, just like his doctor told me > to. > (I later learned how incredibly stupid that was, and believe the > widespread recommendation of Tylenol use in infants is a major > player > in the autism epidemic.) Tylenol depletes glutathione. You need > glutathione to detox poisons. So giving something that keeps > poisons > inside of you at the same time you give poisons, is not good. > > My youngest also had constant ear infections, which meant > Thimerosal > laced ear drops, more Tylenol, and constant antibiotics. > > So even though my youngest had less vaccines, the " extras " made > them > a thousand times worse. > > Sylvia > > > > > > > > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism > could be > > > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are > predisposed > > > to it. > > > > Well, maybe in a way - but 'they' are trying to make it a genetic > > epidemic which is NOT possible. > > > > We all come in, inheriting tendencies or what homeopaths call > miasms. > > And then we also acquire injury. So some are more susceptible to > > certain things and others more susceptible to others. > > > > So some may be more susceptible to vaccine injury if of a certain > > miasmatic make up. And others not so susceptible and > therefore can > > take a lot of toxic assault before showing problems. > > > > Also not all vaccine injury shows right away or even in a > short > period > > after vaccines such as autism. Many are affected for life and have > > lifelong deeper chronic illness that may not show up until later. > > > > Now that we have 2nd and 3rd generation heavily vaccinated and > heavily > > medicated with antibiotics, tylenol and other drugs, we are seeing > > more problems too, in my opinion, along with much larger > numbers of > > toxic junk vaccines. > > > > > > It seems that those that are predisposed end up with more > serious > > > autism when vaccinated? > > > > > > I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but that > didn't > > > effect them thankfully. > > > > Most can take this exposure and are able to excrete the > mercury but > > more and more cannot - known as non-excretors. I don't > believe that > > is just some flukey thing, but that is the result of vaccine injury. > > > > Sheri listowner > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 I agree. Intergenerational poisoning certainly interferes with DNA, but the CAUSE is not genetic. Unless, of course, our " predispositon " to processing poisons is inherited! No poison, no problem! From: P Subject: Re: Re: non vax kids with autism? ... And I'm not sure I'd use the term " genetic " either. My belief is that there are multiple triggers (environmental toxins, poor air quality, poor diet, low quality food, weakned immune system) and that leaves the child more suseptible to these triggers which results in way too many children with chronic illness and autism. ________________________________ > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism could be > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are predisposed > to it. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 My boys are 10 and 13. Sylvia > > > > > > > > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism > > could be > > > > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are > > predisposed > > > > to it. > > > > > > Well, maybe in a way - but 'they' are trying to make it a genetic > > > epidemic which is NOT possible. > > > > > > We all come in, inheriting tendencies or what homeopaths call > > miasms. > > > And then we also acquire injury. So some are more susceptible to > > > certain things and others more susceptible to others. > > > > > > So some may be more susceptible to vaccine injury if of a certain > > > miasmatic make up. And others not so susceptible and > > therefore can > > > take a lot of toxic assault before showing problems. > > > > > > Also not all vaccine injury shows right away or even in a > > short > > period > > > after vaccines such as autism. Many are affected for life and have > > > lifelong deeper chronic illness that may not show up until later. > > > > > > Now that we have 2nd and 3rd generation heavily vaccinated and > > heavily > > > medicated with antibiotics, tylenol and other drugs, we are seeing > > > more problems too, in my opinion, along with much larger > > numbers of > > > toxic junk vaccines. > > > > > > > > It seems that those that are predisposed end up with more > > serious > > > > autism when vaccinated? > > > > > > > > I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but that > > didn't > > > > effect them thankfully. > > > > > > Most can take this exposure and are able to excrete the > > mercury but > > > more and more cannot - known as non-excretors. I don't > > believe that > > > is just some flukey thing, but that is the result of vaccine injury. > > > > > > Sheri listowner > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 So, you've been dealing with this for a lot of years. No wonder you know so much about it. Winnie Re: non vax kids with autism? Vaccinations > My boys are 10 and 13. > > Sylvia > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism > > > could be > > > > > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are > > > predisposed > > > > > to it. > > > > > > > > Well, maybe in a way - but 'they' are trying to make it a > genetic > > > > epidemic which is NOT possible. > > > > > > > > We all come in, inheriting tendencies or what homeopaths > call > > > miasms. > > > > And then we also acquire injury. So some are more > susceptible to > > > > certain things and others more susceptible to others. > > > > > > > > So some may be more susceptible to vaccine injury if of a > certain > > > > miasmatic make up. And others not so susceptible and > > > therefore can > > > > take a lot of toxic assault before showing problems. > > > > > > > > Also not all vaccine injury shows right away or even in a > > > short > > > period > > > > after vaccines such as autism. Many are affected for life > and > have > > > > lifelong deeper chronic illness that may not show up until > later. > > > > > > > > Now that we have 2nd and 3rd generation heavily vaccinated > and > > > heavily > > > > medicated with antibiotics, tylenol and other drugs, we > are > seeing > > > > more problems too, in my opinion, along with much larger > > > numbers of > > > > toxic junk vaccines. > > > > > > > > > > It seems that those that are predisposed end up with > more > > > serious > > > > > autism when vaccinated? > > > > > > > > > > I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but > that > > > didn't > > > > > effect them thankfully. > > > > > > > > Most can take this exposure and are able to excrete the > > > mercury but > > > > more and more cannot - known as non-excretors. I don't > > > believe that > > > > is just some flukey thing, but that is the result of > vaccine > injury. > > > > > > > > Sheri listowner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 My oldest son's vaccine injuries were too subtle for us to realize what was happening, so we vaccinated our youngest untill we realized what was going on. It is amazing to think about it now. How when my youngest was screaming and projectile vomiting after his shots, I naively thought he picked up a virus in the waiting room at the doctors. It never entered my mind that these were signs of vaccine injury. I thought a " vaccine reaction " resulted in a seizure or sudden death within seconds or minutes of the shot. I thought if I walked out of the doctors office with my baby OK, then we were home free. Seems like a million years ago, Sylvia > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you everyone for sharing. So it seems that Autism > > > > could be > > > > > > something in our genetic makeup or that some people are > > > > predisposed > > > > > > to it. > > > > > > > > > > Well, maybe in a way - but 'they' are trying to make it a > > genetic > > > > > epidemic which is NOT possible. > > > > > > > > > > We all come in, inheriting tendencies or what homeopaths > > call > > > > miasms. > > > > > And then we also acquire injury. So some are more > > susceptible to > > > > > certain things and others more susceptible to others. > > > > > > > > > > So some may be more susceptible to vaccine injury if of a > > certain > > > > > miasmatic make up. And others not so susceptible and > > > > therefore can > > > > > take a lot of toxic assault before showing problems. > > > > > > > > > > Also not all vaccine injury shows right away or even in a > > > > short > > > > period > > > > > after vaccines such as autism. Many are affected for life > > and > > have > > > > > lifelong deeper chronic illness that may not show up until > > later. > > > > > > > > > > Now that we have 2nd and 3rd generation heavily vaccinated > > and > > > > heavily > > > > > medicated with antibiotics, tylenol and other drugs, we > > are > > seeing > > > > > more problems too, in my opinion, along with much larger > > > > numbers of > > > > > toxic junk vaccines. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that those that are predisposed end up with > > more > > > > serious > > > > > > autism when vaccinated? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mercury fillings and breastfeed my babies but > > that > > > > didn't > > > > > > effect them thankfully. > > > > > > > > > > Most can take this exposure and are able to excrete the > > > > mercury but > > > > > more and more cannot - known as non-excretors. I don't > > > > believe that > > > > > is just some flukey thing, but that is the result of > > vaccine > > injury. > > > > > > > > > > Sheri listowner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 There is a great article about The HomeFirst in Illionios. http://www.homefirst.com/autism_dan_olmstead.html Casey www.sunshineorganics.net www.holisticmoms.org land Coalition for Vaccine Choice > > I am curious but are there any non vaxed kids with autism? All the kids > I know with autism have been vaccinated. > > I would love to find or see research on the percentage etc. I had a > friends who's son developed autism by the 3rd MMR shot. They have > videos of him before where he is totally normal and than afterwards he > is totally different yet Dr's don't believe it's related. It really > burns me. > > My father was against vaccines so non of us were ever vaccinated and > the diseases we got never maimed or killed us. Infact we didn't get > very sick and I believe it's because of my father's knowledge of herbs > and natural medicines. He boosted our immune systems etc. > > Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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