UK: Parents warned over measles epidemic

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PLEASE add your comments to this widely read paper in the UK

Sheri

From Sue...........

" England's 150 primary care trusts will receive

£30,000 each on average – twice that in London –

to identify unvaccinated children and encourage

their parents to bring them in for the injection. "

Sounds like they 're being rounded up and herded

in, doesn't it? I looked at the PHLS figures not

long ago and the numbers of children with

*confirmed* measles in no way stacked up with the figures quoted below.

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-warned-over-measles-epidemic-887110.html

Parents warned over measles epidemic

By nce, Health Editor

Thursday, 7 August 2008

A stark warning about the dangers of measles is

to be sent to the parents of three million

unvaccinated children in an unprecedented move to

increase uptake of the MMR vaccination, the Government will announce today.

Department of Health scientists say Britain faces

a greater threat of a measles epidemic, which

would result in up to 100,000 children and young

people being infected, than at any time for decades.

Doctors are desperate to push vaccination rates

back to the level they were before claims that

the MMR vaccine could cause autism – never

substantiated – drastically reduced immunisation

levels from the late 1990s onwards.

The NHS has stockpiled 500,000 doses of the

vaccine with a further one million on order for

delivery by October, in an attempt to vaccinate

everyone up to the age of 18. The extra vaccine

is in addition to the supplies for the routine

childhood immunisation programme.

England's 150 primary care trusts will receive

£30,000 each on average – twice that in London –

to identify unvaccinated children and encourage

their parents to bring them in for the injection.

Professor Salisbury, director of

immunisation for the Department of Health, said:

" We have got so many susceptible [unvaccinated]

children, there will be an epidemic at some

point. You cannot carry that number without

having an epidemic. There is measles in

Switzerland, Austria, Germany and Italy – there

is a lot of it about. We can either sit on our

hands or do something about it. "

Measles cases have risen sharply in the past two

years. There were 1,726 cases in 2006 and 2007 in

England and Wales, more than in the 10 previous

years put together, when there were a total of

1,621 cases. The Health Protection Agency (HPA)

warned in June that the number of unvaccinated

children was now large enough to sustain the

" continuous spread " of the potentially lethal

virus. It said measles had become endemic 14

years after its spread was halted in the resident

population, as reported by The Independent.

The HPA blamed a failure by parents to take their

children for the MMR vaccine during the past 10

years, after the scare about a supposed link between the vaccine and autism.

Sir Liam son, the Government's chief

medical officer, launched the campaign yesterday

by writing to all health authorities and GPs

telling them of the " urgent action " required to avert an epidemic.

" Measles is serious. It can lead to pneumonia and

encephalitis and it can kill. Around 10 per cent

of cases of measles require hospital admission

and fatality rates of one per 5,000 are still

seen in the UK, with recent epidemics in

industrialised countries having even higher

rates, " his letter says. It adds that there have

been two deaths from measles in recent years – in

2006 and 2008 – after more than a decade in which there were none.

The catch-up campaign will target all those up to

the age of 18 who have been identified from

health records as unvaccinated or having received

only one of the recommended two vaccinations,

normally given at 13 months and three and half years.

Letters to parents will warn of the recent rise

in cases and urge them to bring their children

for vaccination at a specific date and time.

London is at greatest risk because vaccination

rates are lowest in the capital. In the last

quarter of 2007, the rate stood at 71 per cent

for children at age two (first dose) and 50 per

cent at age five (second dose) compared with the

95 per cent coverage needed to maintain herd

immunity and prevent endemic spread.

Nationally, MMR vaccination rates fell from 92

per cent a decade ago to 79 per cent in 2004, at

the height of the scare over the vaccine's

supposed link with autism. They have since

recovered to 84 per cent at age two (75 per cent

at age five) but are still well below the target level of 95 per cent.

Professor Salisbury defended the decision to

offer parents the triple MMR vaccine for defence

against the single virus disease of measles.

" Exactly the same children need to be protected

against mumps and rubella. The fact we have got

measles now is because it is highly infectious

but we will have mumps and rubella outbreaks.

" In 1994, when we ran a similar catch-up

campaign, we could only get a measles and rubella

vaccine because [the triple] MMR was in short

supply on the world market. In 2005, we had a

mumps epidemic among teenagers affecting that

same group of children who had missed their mumps

vaccination a decade earlier. That lesson is not one we need to learn again. "

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With 19 new cases of autism a day. Why aren't the

DoH worried about that epidemic, or aren't the

figures high enough yet? Is this catch-up on MMR

to make sure we have enough autism in the UK to be a proper epidemic?

Deaths after MMR never quoted and they happen, I

personally know three. The two deaths after

measles were in seriously ill kids for whom the

vaccines would prove fatal. Are all sick kids now to be vaccinated?

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If there was no danger in having the MMR jab,

then why hasn't Tony Blair let his children have it?

Come on people, wake up.

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The advice on the NHS MMR the Facts website is to

ignore severe side effects and go for a second

dose. No one pays attention to parents, no one

follows up side-effects, of if they did they

might meet with the same fate as the three doctors presently before the GMC.

It was the pharma and the government that removed

the option of a single measles jab, thus

inventing the alleged crisis. As to the real

threat from measles there is an absence of honest data on this. It is all hype.

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I would urge anyone who hasn't granted their

child access to the MMR vaccine to ignore the

above posters, who are flying in the face of a

mass of far more concentrated data and considered

medical opinion than that held to " prove " a

connection with autism in the first place. MMR

doubters are similar to conspiracy theorists in

their faith that, " A says it's bad, so B to Z must be wrong. "

While I clearly survived my childhood bout of

measles it resulted in extreme short sight that has handicapped me ever since.

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Hello Simon. (Ville) I'd be very interested in

understanding more about the mechanism you

mention learning at university. Please would you

contact me at nemetonfoundation.org.uk? I am

researching this area in connection with autism

at present. Many thanks, Poole

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Its strange how the facts get distorted to suit

the medical professions's current myth-making.

The children who caught mumps in the last mumps

epidemic were those who had been vaccinated when

younger but as was said at the time, this had

'run out'. So the medical profession wanted to

run a booster campaign. Parents have the rigt to

vaccinate or not. Personally, I think the money

should be spent on Vitamin A supplementation for

those children whose nutritional or immune-system

deficiencies may put them at risk of measles's

being serious in their case. The side effects of

MMR are so devestating (and well ducumented

despite the cover-ups) that it is not worth

vaccinating thousands for the sake of a few vitamins.

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I read medicine at university, and the evidence

clearly shows the mechanism by which the MMR

vaccine can cause a severe adverse reaction. My

kids will have the three vaccines. After all, I

am only going what Tony Blair is reputed to have done for his son.

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Unfortunately, autism represents a much greater

threat (1 in a 100 children for life) and health

officials are unwilling to talk about it (beyond

the lie that it has always been like this).

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Hi there

" It adds that there have

been two deaths from measles in recent years – in

2006 and 2008 – after more than a decade in which there were none. "

Is this statistic true?  If so, then what I don't understand is what does one

attribute the 'no' deaths to?

Sorry still trying to understand and work everything out in my own mind.

Brigitte 

UK: Parents warned over measles epidemic

Keep 'em in fear

PLEASE add your comments to this widely read paper in the UK

Sheri

From Sue......... ..

" England's 150 primary care trusts will receive

£30,000 each on average – twice that in London –

to identify unvaccinated children and encourage

their parents to bring them in for the injection. "

Sounds like they 're being rounded up and herded

in, doesn't it? I looked at the PHLS figures not

long ago and the numbers of children with

*confirmed* measles in no way stacked up with the figures quoted below.

http://www.independ ent.co.uk/ life-style/ health-and- wellbeing/ health-news/

parents-warned- over-measles- epidemic- 887110.html

Parents warned over measles epidemic

By nce, Health Editor

Thursday, 7 August 2008

A stark warning about the dangers of measles is

to be sent to the parents of three million

unvaccinated children in an unprecedented move to

increase uptake of the MMR vaccination, the Government will announce today.

Department of Health scientists say Britain faces

a greater threat of a measles epidemic, which

would result in up to 100,000 children and young

people being infected, than at any time for decades.

Doctors are desperate to push vaccination rates

back to the level they were before claims that

the MMR vaccine could cause autism – never

substantiated – drastically reduced immunisation

levels from the late 1990s onwards.

The NHS has stockpiled 500,000 doses of the

vaccine with a further one million on order for

delivery by October, in an attempt to vaccinate

everyone up to the age of 18. The extra vaccine

is in addition to the supplies for the routine

childhood immunisation programme.

England's 150 primary care trusts will receive

£30,000 each on average – twice that in London –

to identify unvaccinated children and encourage

their parents to bring them in for the injection.

Professor Salisbury, director of

immunisation for the Department of Health, said:

" We have got so many susceptible [unvaccinated]

children, there will be an epidemic at some

point. You cannot carry that number without

having an epidemic. There is measles in

Switzerland, Austria, Germany and Italy – there

is a lot of it about. We can either sit on our

hands or do something about it. "

Measles cases have risen sharply in the past two

years. There were 1,726 cases in 2006 and 2007 in

England and Wales, more than in the 10 previous

years put together, when there were a total of

1,621 cases. The Health Protection Agency (HPA)

warned in June that the number of unvaccinated

children was now large enough to sustain the

" continuous spread " of the potentially lethal

virus. It said measles had become endemic 14

years after its spread was halted in the resident

population, as reported by The Independent.

The HPA blamed a failure by parents to take their

children for the MMR vaccine during the past 10

years, after the scare about a supposed link between the vaccine and autism.

Sir Liam son, the Government's chief

medical officer, launched the campaign yesterday

by writing to all health authorities and GPs

telling them of the " urgent action " required to avert an epidemic.

" Measles is serious. It can lead to pneumonia and

encephalitis and it can kill. Around 10 per cent

of cases of measles require hospital admission

and fatality rates of one per 5,000 are still

seen in the UK, with recent epidemics in

industrialised countries having even higher

rates, " his letter says. It adds that there have

been two deaths from measles in recent years – in

2006 and 2008 – after more than a decade in which there were none.

The catch-up campaign will target all those up to

the age of 18 who have been identified from

health records as unvaccinated or having received

only one of the recommended two vaccinations,

normally given at 13 months and three and half years.

Letters to parents will warn of the recent rise

in cases and urge them to bring their children

for vaccination at a specific date and time.

London is at greatest risk because vaccination

rates are lowest in the capital. In the last

quarter of 2007, the rate stood at 71 per cent

for children at age two (first dose) and 50 per

cent at age five (second dose) compared with the

95 per cent coverage needed to maintain herd

immunity and prevent endemic spread.

Nationally, MMR vaccination rates fell from 92

per cent a decade ago to 79 per cent in 2004, at

the height of the scare over the vaccine's

supposed link with autism. They have since

recovered to 84 per cent at age two (75 per cent

at age five) but are still well below the target level of 95 per cent.

Professor Salisbury defended the decision to

offer parents the triple MMR vaccine for defence

against the single virus disease of measles.

" Exactly the same children need to be protected

against mumps and rubella. The fact we have got

measles now is because it is highly infectious

but we will have mumps and rubella outbreaks.

" In 1994, when we ran a similar catch-up

campaign, we could only get a measles and rubella

vaccine because [the triple] MMR was in short

supply on the world market. In 2005, we had a

mumps epidemic among teenagers affecting that

same group of children who had missed their mumps

vaccination a decade earlier. That lesson is not one we need to learn again. "

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With 19 new cases of autism a day. Why aren't the

DoH worried about that epidemic, or aren't the

figures high enough yet? Is this catch-up on MMR

to make sure we have enough autism in the UK to be a proper epidemic?

Deaths after MMR never quoted and they happen, I

personally know three. The two deaths after

measles were in seriously ill kids for whom the

vaccines would prove fatal. Are all sick kids now to be vaccinated?

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If there was no danger in having the MMR jab,

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The advice on the NHS MMR the Facts website is to

ignore severe side effects and go for a second

dose. No one pays attention to parents, no one

follows up side-effects, of if they did they

might meet with the same fate as the three doctors presently before the GMC.

It was the pharma and the government that removed

the option of a single measles jab, thus

inventing the alleged crisis. As to the real

threat from measles there is an absence of honest data on this. It is all hype.

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I would urge anyone who hasn't granted their

child access to the MMR vaccine to ignore the

above posters, who are flying in the face of a

mass of far more concentrated data and considered

medical opinion than that held to " prove " a

connection with autism in the first place. MMR

doubters are similar to conspiracy theorists in

their faith that, " A says it's bad, so B to Z must be wrong. "

While I clearly survived my childhood bout of

measles it resulted in extreme short sight that has handicapped me ever since.

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Hello Simon. (Ville) I'd be very interested in

understanding more about the mechanism you

mention learning at university. Please would you

contact me at nemetonfoundation. org.uk? I am

researching this area in connection with autism

at present. Many thanks, Poole

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Its strange how the facts get distorted to suit

the medical professions' s current myth-making.

The children who caught mumps in the last mumps

epidemic were those who had been vaccinated when

younger but as was said at the time, this had

'run out'. So the medical profession wanted to

run a booster campaign. Parents have the rigt to

vaccinate or not. Personally, I think the money

should be spent on Vitamin A supplementation for

those children whose nutritional or immune-system

deficiencies may put them at risk of measles's

being serious in their case. The side effects of

MMR are so devestating (and well ducumented

despite the cover-ups) that it is not worth

vaccinating thousands for the sake of a few vitamins.

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I read medicine at university, and the evidence

clearly shows the mechanism by which the MMR

vaccine can cause a severe adverse reaction. My

kids will have the three vaccines. After all, I

am only going what Tony Blair is reputed to have done for his son.

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Unfortunately, autism represents a much greater

threat (1 in a 100 children for life) and health

officials are unwilling to talk about it (beyond

the lie that it has always been like this).

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Posted by Stone | 07.08.08, 08:27 GMT

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Hi Brigitte,

If you look at this page from the HPA in the UK: http://www.hpa.org

UK/web/HPAweb & HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1195733811885

You will see that their figure of " two deaths from measles in recent years

– in

2006 and 2008 – after more than a decade in which there were none. " is

incorrect. There were 14 deaths in that decade, according to the above

website, although it does say that one was not confirmed measles.

I think for the purposes of answering your question, take it that he meant

that there were no cases of measles that resulted in mortality during the

previous decade. I would also suggest that deaths credited as due to

measles could also be due to complications from measles - which could be

triggered by poor care, or medicines such as antipyretics.

HTH.

Sue x

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At 02:12 PM 8/7/2008, you wrote:

>Hi there

> " It adds that there have

>been two deaths from measles in recent years ­ in

>2006 and 2008 ­ after more than a decade in which there were none. "

>Is this statistic true? If so, then what I

>don't understand is what does one attribute the 'no' deaths to?

>Sorry still trying to understand and work everything out in my own mind.

>Brigitte

#1 - have to look at who the deaths were - what

underlying conditions did they have - and they

usually have some other underlying immunological condition.

I am so furious at them for making you all fear measles so much

It was NOT a terrifying disease - we all had in

growing up in the 50's and 60's (and of course before)

No one I knew died, or was in the hospital, or had problems

My mom is a peds RN, graduating in 1948 - she

thinks it is ludicrous to fear measles.

measles is easily treated with Vitamin A and

homeopathy (and most others recover even without those).

Deaths had already declined to a very few even before the vaccine.

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?event=graphs_print_list_item & id=23 & tabl\

ename=graphs

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=4 & event=graphcats_print_list_item

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=25 & event=graphs_print_list_item

Sheri

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There is NO quality documentation in 3rd world countries, so forget

looking there or believing anything that is printed about them.

and info below that I have shared

I'll also share some research I did quite a few years ago

#1 - have to look at who the deaths were - what

underlying conditions did they have - and they

usually have some other underlying immunological condition.

I am so furious at them for making you all fear measles so much

It was NOT a terrifying disease - we all had in

growing up in the 50's and 60's (and of course before)

No one I knew died, or was in the hospital, or had problems

My mom is a peds RN, graduating in 1948 - she

thinks it is ludicrous to fear measles.

measles is easily treated with Vitamin A and

homeopathy (and most others recover even without those).

Deaths had already declined to a very few even before the vaccine.

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?event=graphs_print_list_item & id=23 & tabl\

ename=graphs

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=4 & event=graphcats_print_list_item

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=25 & event=graphs_print_list_item

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

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------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I hear what you say about everyone fearing measles. Like you, we all had

measles as kids with no problems at all. Not saying it doesn't happen, but

the widespread use of antipyretics now causes trouble, I believe, and people

have forgotten the skill of good old-fashioned *nursing*.

I posted here a few days ago about a friend in the UK whose son had measles,

and asked if anyone wanted to make contact. I was astonished not to get one

single enquiry - if I were still in the UK, I'd have been round there with

my dd like a shot. The little boy who had it has come through it like a

champion after a few scary symptoms and is now well on the mend. Now his

18mo brother appears to be coming down with it, so the offer is repeated If

anyone would like natural exposure. His mum isn't scared of measles any

more....)

On the subject of measles in Africa, wrote a marvellous

article on this topic which was published in the Informed Voice back in

February. She made this very point about dodgy documentation/verification

surrounding statistics.

Sue x

-- Re: UK: Parents warned over measles epidemic

There is NO quality documentation in 3rd world countries, so forget

Looking there or believing anything that is printed about them.

And info below that I have shared

I'll also share some research I did quite a few years ago

#1 - have to look at who the deaths were - what

Underlying conditions did they have - and they

Usually have some other underlying immunological condition.

I am so furious at them for making you all fear measles so much

It was NOT a terrifying disease - we all had in

Growing up in the 50's and 60's (and of course before)

No one I knew died, or was in the hospital, or had problems

My mom is a peds RN, graduating in 1948 - she

Thinks it is ludicrous to fear measles.

Measles is easily treated with Vitamin A and

Homeopathy (and most others recover even without those).

Deaths had already declined to a very few even before the vaccine.

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs

php?event=graphs_print_list_item & id=23 & tablename=graphs

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs

php?id=4 & event=graphcats_print_list_item

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=25 & event=graphs_print_list_item

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 08

------------------------------------

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Yes, yes , yes. You are so right.  Do not fear measles. I remember a bit of a

cold and runny eyes & no school!  We balked on cod liver oil and a disgusting

concoction called Lanes Emulsion. We also had carrot juice. Mum wrapped our

light shades in brown paper. No TV then so it was no trouble not being allowed

to watch. This was supposedly to protect the eyes - however the cod liver oil

was probably the best protection. The dr came to the house to confirm the

diagnosis - if you were " infectious " you didn't go to the dr's waiting room, as

they do today! Next day, all our unmeasly friends turned up in an effort to

" catch " the measles. No one we knew ever died of measles. If you read

descriptions form old books, it is an innocuous disease and only became

" dangerous " as soon as there was a vaccine to sell to mugs. Talk about snake

oil!

Maracuja

Re: UK: Parents warned over measles epidemic

At 02:12 PM 8/7/2008, you wrote:

>Hi there

> " It adds that there have

>been two deaths from measles in recent years ­ in

>2006 and 2008 ­ after more than a decade in which there were none. "

>Is this statistic true? If so, then what I

>don't understand is what does one attribute the 'no' deaths to?

>Sorry still trying to understand and work everything out in my own mind.

>Brigitte

#1 - have to look at who the deaths were - what

underlying conditions did they have - and they

usually have some other underlying immunological condition.

I am so furious at them for making you all fear measles so much

It was NOT a terrifying disease - we all had in

growing up in the 50's and 60's (and of course before)

No one I knew died, or was in the hospital, or had problems

My mom is a peds RN, graduating in 1948 - she

thinks it is ludicrous to fear measles.

measles is easily treated with Vitamin A and

homeopathy (and most others recover even without those).

Deaths had already declined to a very few even before the vaccine.

http://www.healthse ntinel.com/ graphs.php? event=graphs_ print_list_

item & id=23 & tablename= graphs

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www..wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 08

[Guest guest]

> >Hi there

> > " It adds that there have

> >been two deaths from measles in recent years ­ in

> >2006 and 2008 ­ after more than a decade in which there were none. "

> >Is this statistic true? If so, then what I

> >don't understand is what does one attribute the 'no' deaths to?

> >Sorry still trying to understand and work everything out in my own

mind.

> >Brigitte

>

> #1 - have to look at who the deaths were - what

> underlying conditions did they have - and they

> usually have some other underlying immunological condition.

>

> I am so furious at them for making you all fear measles so much

>

> It was NOT a terrifying disease - we all had in

> growing up in the 50's and 60's (and of course before)

> No one I knew died, or was in the hospital, or had problems

> My mom is a peds RN, graduating in 1948 - she

> thinks it is ludicrous to fear measles.

>

> measles is easily treated with Vitamin A and

> homeopathy (and most others recover even without those).

>

> Deaths had already declined to a very few even before the vaccine.

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> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www..wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

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[Guest guest]

> Keep up your research and then your confidence will grow. Also, cut

out as many environmental toxins as you can. This means preservatives

in food, tap water, a lot of aerosol sprays. Move to natural cleaning

products, shampoos, soaps, makeup etc. And then if you live near

telecommunications towers or in a city with high levels of pollution, I

would consider moving.

>

> Thanks , i understand about being the healhiest you can be to

repell diseases. We do what we can, but i guess it's never enough. It's

hard to lead a natural lifestyle in today's world. We do eat mostly

natural foods, use eco prodcuts(still have my bleach though), etc.

Chemicals are all around us at all times not to mention places like

malls, other houses, schools....nasties are everywhere.

Katarina