Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Hi all, I have several updates and not much time so please excuse any typos or incomplete sentences hope this all makes sense! This morning, I got a call from the grandfather of the baby at the heart of this forced Hep B Vaccination case. The two DOCs caseworkers and 2 police officers showed up at his door last night at 11:30 PM. The DOCs workers grilled him for 20 minutes about his son¹s whereabouts, what kind of car he drove, etc. Finally, the police officers said to the caseworkers listen, we have better things to do and so do you and I¹m sure this gentleman would like to get back to sleep so off they went. This morning, I had a conversation with another representative of the Minister for Community Services¹ office. This man, who openly admitted that if vaccination were made compulsory, he would be jumping up and down in celebration ( though he was a very nice man to talk to and did admit that it is a matter of respect) during his conversation, revealed some very interesting details to me. Connecting the dots, I am now convinced, more than ever, that if this case were lost or did not proceed at all, we here in NSW would have de facto compulsory vaccination. Read below, connect the dots and let me know if your conclusion is the same as mine: 1- In speaking with the Case Worker manager of this case last night and informing her that these parents just wanted a day to get legal and medical advice, I was told that ³Oh, it¹s gone way beyond that now!² When I asked why this was the case, she told me that since they had gone to the Supreme Court, there was no more time the parents either had to vaccinate or face justice and lose their baby. When I shared this information with the Dept rep this morning, he told me that the Department had been given advice stating that this child needed to be vaccinated straight away. I asked who had given that advice and was told that it was a doctor from the hospital. I asked how many doctors needed to be consulted before DOCs acted one was the answer! So any doctor with a bee in his or her bonnet about vaccination can do this to any parent and DOCS will go in and whip the child away for a vaccination! With the number of children in NSW who are currently dying or being permanently injured whilst in the care of parents and carers who have been reported to DOCS for abuse, surely they have better things to do than to bully these innocent parents? 2- I asked why this whole issue had proceeded to the point it had rather than following NSW Health Policy (which was sent to me this morning by one of our lovely list members http://tinyurl.com/6hmbjb please have a read yourself and you will see that it only says that the vaccine is to be offered and if it¹s refused, forms need to be filled out) and he told me that based on the information the department was given (by the doctor in question), they believed that the child was at risk of immediate harm! Because they weren¹t getting a Hep B vaccine for goodness sake! 3- I told the rep that the parents had lots of information on the vaccination and that this information was ignored by the doctors and by DOCs. He told me that the health professionals (so-called) at the hospital had put their case to the parents and when the parents refused to listen to the advice of hospital staff, it then led to DOCs making an application to the Supreme Court. He did admit that it was very rare for the Supreme Court to be the venue of choice. Usually it would go first to one of the lower courts and he was surprised that this was the procedure bt that this is what they did and since this occurred, there is nothing that the Dept or the Minister can do to stop it since they cannot interfere with the legislative process (though God knows, it wouldn¹t be the first time that a Minister had!) 4- I then said ok, so one doctor says that the child¹s life is at risk. Why doesn¹t DOCs get a second opinion from anther doctors before trying to rip a baby away from its parents. He told me that DOCs don¹t have the luxury of making that decision to get a second opinion. They have to go with the first doctor¹s report because after all, every day you hear stories of children who suffered from harm because of bad decsions they have to accept that the doctor says at face value. As you can imagine knowing how so many doctors feel it their private mission to shoot every child in existence this is a dangerous policy for DOCS to have. 5- The Minister¹s rep said that he accepted what I had to say about the fact that NSW health¹s own procedres were not followed in this case, but even with the policy as it stands, if a health professional rings to say that they believe a child¹s health is at risk, the dept has to act accordingly. 6- I told him that there are many doctors out there who would disagree with the first doctor¹s assessment of risk to this child as a result of non vaccination and he stated that the department is aware that members of the medical community do disagree with each other but that again, they need to abide by the first person who reports. Imagine having that kind of power! You can report anyone at any time for any reason and you will NEVER be questioned. It reminds me of the doctor in the UK who reported all those hundreds of families for Shaken Baby Syndrome only to be found years later to be in error. OK so cut to the chase! Now that this is in the Supreme Court and there is nothing that can be done to stop the case from going ahead, loss of this case is not something that any of us can afford. If this case is lost, that means that vaccination which most doctors think is the best thing since sliced bread can be forced on any parent at any time based only on the opinion of one medico. That this case can and will be repeated across Australia is a given. So this is a case that must not be lost and must be fought by ALL of us here. I told the rep at the Minister¹s office that I felt that this entire procedure was totally flawed and that too much power was in the hands of people who were totally out of control both the case workers and the doctors. He said that if I felt that way and wanted to change things, then I should write to the minister. I will be seeking advice on how to get changes to policy and the father in this case is seeking a lawyer today. Stay tuned because I will be asking all of you your family, friends, neighbours etc. to take strong and immediate action which will include letter writing, phone calls and possibly donations to a fighting fund that will be set up (I am waiting for approval from the father on whether or not he wants this he is feeling a bit overwhelmed right now as you can well imagine!). In the meantime, please keep thinking about this issue because it is something that will affect our families for a long time to come. If compulsory vaccination comes to Australia we will never be able to get rid of it. All the best, Meryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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