Re: What training do docs get on vax?

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Gay,

Doctors like you are a rare breed. I'm glad you're with us on this list!

Since you are on a mission to research as much as you can, I'd like to

suggest Sheri's classes, if you haven't already looked into them. I

am taking " Vaccine Dangers Part 1 " and I have to say the information

is very thorough, well put together and priceless! I can run circles

around most doctors when it comes to vaccine knowledge now! I have

had casual conversations on the topic of vaccines with a couple of

different doctors lately and I've been amazed at their lack of

knowledge... one didn't even know exactly what diseases the specific

vaccines were supposed to be protecting against, and also didn't know

much about the diseases themselves! His nurse handles the

vaccinations in his clinic! I was appalled.

Anyway, here's the link to Sheri's classes:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM, <drgglow@...> wrote:

> Thank you!

>

> My philosophy is very simple......do what you know is the right thing to do

> ( and not let money, fame, or public opinion sway you from that path).

>

> G

[Guest guest]

No, not generally.......it is usually a " benign " type of infection, sore

throat, small wound on skin, ear infection, sinus infection, even urinary tract

infection that is the source. If for whatever reason the body doesn't mount

the appropriate immune response or there is a particular weakness to the blood

brain barrier or a particularly virulent bug (bacteria or virus) the

infection can spread into the blood stream and then across into the brain. I

believe

that one exception to this would be Neisseria meningoccal meningitis (please

excuse the spelling of that one!!!) which is so virulent that it attacks the

brain right away. (That's the one they scare everyone at college about.)

However it is quite rare. Most often meningitis is caused by one of the other

things that I mentioned above.

Hope that explains it a little better

G

In a message dated 9/14/2008 9:03:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wharrison@... writes:

I quit using antibiotics for all ear infections, no matter how severe--use

homeopathy/Larix/I quit using antibiotics for all ear infections, no matter how

severe--use hom

So, couldn't it have been that the ear infection was just one of the

symptoms of the meningitis, one that you could see, rather than the cause of

the

meningitis? Just trying to sort this out...

Winnie

Re: RE: Re: What training do docs get

> on vax?

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>

> > Charlotte, a 10 month old patient of mine, who I delivered,

> died

> > from strep

> > pneumo meningitis in May. I had recommended against Prevnar.

> For

> > 3 weeks I

> > agonized over this decision. During that time I realized that

> > although I

> > recommend against most of the newer vaccines (starting with

> > chickenpox) because I

> > didn't feel they were necessary and had a gut feeling that we

> > are screwing

> > with our immune system on a global basis, I really didn't know

>

> > WHY I was

> > recommending against them from the medical/scientific

> viewpoint.

> > The fact that this

> > baby who had never been sick before the ear infection that

> led

> > to her

> > meningitis made me question my judgement. So I read and read

> and

> > obsessed over

> > adjuvants and escape strains. And then I got the path report

> > that stated she died

> > from the strain 23a, which developed a couple of years after

> > routine Prevnar

> > vaccines, and was not covered by it. A strain that is

> resistant

> > to the first

> > 4 antibiotic choices we would give to children. A strain that

> is

> > not

> > resistant to flouroquinolones (which is contraindicated in

> > children) and is the only

> > choice for oral therapy!!!

> > And the more I read about all of this the more disturbed I

> was.

> > I think

> > there are a lot of things we don't know about the vaccines,

> the

> > chemicals in

> > them, and they have not been given adequate clinical trials.

> I

> > think drug

> > companies are influencing the CDC and the researchers who are

> > working with them. So

> > now I am trying to research as much as possible to give my

> > patients the

> > correct information and let them make an informed choice. Can

> > you believe that no

> > one at my clinic (including myself) even knew of the VAERS

> > reporting

> > system??!! Does that not completely outrage you when you

> think

> > this is the data they

> > are using to report safety?? I'm sure that my clinic is fairly

>

> > representative

> > of many rural clinics in America.

> > So that is my sad story, which I hope for Charlotte's sake,

> may

> > have a happy

> > ending, at least in my small part of the world.

> >

> > Gayl

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 9/14/2008 7:34:56 P.M. Central Daylight

> Time,

> >

> > __Casper3fuse (DOT) _Ca_ (mailto:_Casper3@...) _

(mailto:_Casper3@..._ (mailto:Casper3@...) ) writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So what was your " light bulb " moment? I was an

> > obstetric/pediatric RN for

> > 10 years, and it sickens me to think about all of the

> vaccines

> > and drugs I

> > administered, to my patients and to my own 2 children.

> >

> > It wasn't until our puppy had a reaction to vaccines almost 8

> > years ago that

> > I started researching about the dangers of vaccines. I was

> > appalled with

> > what I found.

> >

> > I'm just curious how you discovered the truth? I think it's

> > awesome that

> > you have!

> >

> > Kay in KY

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > Since I got into this a few months ago I became outraged at

> how

> > I have been

> >

> > misled when in everything else we're taught it's all about

> > scientific

> > principle and evidence based medicine. I'm even angrier at

> > myself for

> > falling right

> > into that trap. I love giving drug reps a hard time. I am

> > skeptical about

> > most

> > of what they present (except for lunch!). And yet I thought

> > nothing of

> > injecting chemicals into my patients, myself, and my own kids

> without> really

> > knowing what I was truly doing. Because someone told me that's

>

> > what I was

> > supposed

> > to do. Ugh!!!!!

> >

> > G

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Yup, exclusively up until 9 months or so.

In a message dated 9/14/2008 9:12:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Casper3@... writes:

Curious again, was she breast fed?

Kay in KY

-----Original Message-----

Charlotte came in initially with an ear infection, very routine, bit of a

fever, fussy, etc. Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing and was flown to

the

regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty sure the ear infection

led to

the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and 6 month

immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

And btw, I never prescribe antibiotics for red ear drums alone!!!! LOL

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I think that definitely eradicating one type of bacteria opens the door for

others to take it's place. " Nature abhors a vacuum " .

That is also my fear that with more and more kids being vaccinated against

" everything " , we are opening a Pandora's box of opportunistic infections, and

also helping to create new strains that are more virulent and vaccine

resistant. In an article I found about the 23a strain of pneumococcus, the

ending

sentence was about altering the vaccine to cover this strain as well. The only

thing I can say about that is " duh, what do you think will happen next when

you do that? "

G

In a message dated 9/14/2008 9:56:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

kkatkov@... writes:

>

>Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

> switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing and was

flown to the

> regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty sure the ear

infection led to

> the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and 6 month

> immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

>

You mentioned that the little girl never had Prevnar shot but she did

have HIB shot which is supposetly against a bacteria that causes some

ear infections/meninigiear infections/meninigi<WBR>tis. Could ahve HIB

strains and cause the more virulent/rare form to take over and cause

death? This story really freaked me out. I am so afraid of meningitis

despite hearing " pathogens are nothing, terrain is everything " This

disease scares the hell out of me...

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Well......I guess I'm too much of an allopath to agree with you

there......although in some cases antibiotics are definitely not your friend. I

still

think that when used appropriately (that is not for every sneeze, sniffle,

cough

and temp above 99F) antibiotics can be helpful.

G

In a message dated 9/14/2008 11:12:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

vidamarino@... writes:

Ok, my thought is that so many different types of bacteria are always

present in all people and when we get sick we just look for one and pin

the blame on that one. The way I see that it could have happened is

that she came in with an ear infection and the initial antibiotics made

her more ill, then perhaps the even stronger antibiotics made her even

more so.

I don't think antibiotics are as safe as people see them and perhaps,

just like with vaccines, there are many unreported and unknown severe

reactions to them.

> >

> >Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

> > switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing and was

> flown to the

> > regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty sure the ear

> infection led to

> > the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and 6 month

> > immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

> >

>

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Already there!!!! LOL

G

In a message dated 9/15/2008 2:12:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

trinnea@... writes:

Gay,

Doctors like you are a rare breed. I'm glad you're with us on this list!

Since you are on a mission to research as much as you can, I'd like to

suggest Sheri's classes, if you haven't already looked into them. I

am taking " Vaccine Dangers Part 1 " and I have to say the information

is very thorough, well put together and priceless! I can run circles

around most doctors when it comes to vaccine knowledge now! I have

had casual conversations on the topic of vaccines with a couple of

different doctors lately and I've been amazed at their lack of

knowledge... one didn't even know exactly what diseases the specific

vaccines were supposed to be protecting against, and also didn't know

much about the diseases themselves! His nurse handles the

vaccinations in his clinic! I was appalled.

Anyway, here's the link to Sheri's classes:

_http://www.nccn.http://www.nchttp://www.nchtt_

(http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm)

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM, <_drgglow@..._ (mailto:drgglow@...)

> wrote:

> Thank you!

>

> My philosophy is very simple...... My philosophy is very

simple......<WBR>do wh

> ( and not let money, fame, or public opinion sway you from that path).

>

> G

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OMG!!!! I can't believe that a physician would tell someone to keep giving a

med that caused an allergic reaction!!!!!

G

In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:10:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

wharrison@... writes:

These are scary pics! My littlest guy had a reaction to Zithromax where his

whole body broke out in a solid, bright red. The ped told me to continue the

antis and just give him Benadryl, that it was more important to treat the

pneumonia. I said no way was I ever giving him Zithromax again. One of the

scariest nights of my life as a parent.

After seeing these pics, I'm so glad I refused. I cannot imagine what the

ped was thinking.

Winnie

Re: Re: What training do docs get on vax?

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> Have a look at these pictures of antibiotic over use! They are

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> > > switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing and

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> > flown to the

> > > regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty sure

> the ear

> > infection led to

> > > the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and 6

> month

> > > immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

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So glad you have awoken.

I wonder how many more like you are out there (but keeping quiet and

under the radar)

Sheri

At 01:22 AM 9/15/2008, you wrote:

>Any doc who relies on a drug rep to keep them informed is in sad

>shape......but no, we do not get any training regarding vaccines

>except for " this is

>what you need to give and this is when you need to give it " . We are

>not taught

>about the reactions or contraindications that you will find in the package

>inserts. There is only a half-hearted effort (I think I'm being

>generous with

>that statement) at most clinics to encourage parents to read the

>VISs and truly

>have informed consent.

>Since I got into this a few months ago I became outraged at how I have been

>misled when in everything else we're taught it's all about scientific

>principle and evidence based medicine. I'm even angrier at myself

>for falling right

>into that trap. I love giving drug reps a hard time. I am skeptical

>about most

>of what they present (except for lunch!). And yet I thought nothing of

>injecting chemicals into my patients, myself, and my own kids without really

>knowing what I was truly doing. Because someone told me that's what

>I was supposed

>to do. Ugh!!!!!

>

>G

>

>

>In a message dated 9/14/2008 1:53:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

>nitagarner@... writes:

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>Doctor's don't get any. They wanted to give peter his vaccines to " catch him

>up " when he was 6 months and had a really nasty cold. I said no. the doc

>said 'oh it's OK if they don't have a fever " I said no again. His immune

>system is already under fire. I came home. I found the package insert online

>and it said on it itself that some of his symptoms contraindicated him from

>getting the shot they insisted " was just fine " .

>

>The drug reps go in, they tell the doc to recommend this product for such

>and such.. there's too much out there that is new, too many drugs coming up

>for doctors to do much on their own. I read they depend on the drug reps to

>keep them informed.

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At 01:57 AM 9/15/2008, you wrote:

>Charlotte, a 10 month old patient of mine, who I delivered, died from strep

>pneumo meningitis in May. I had recommended against Prevnar. For 3 weeks I

>agonized over this decision. During that time I realized that although I

>recommend against most of the newer vaccines (starting with

>chickenpox) because I

>didn't feel they were necessary and had a gut feeling that we are screwing

>with our immune system on a global basis, I really didn't know WHY I was

>recommending against them from the medical/scientific viewpoint. The

>fact that this

>baby who had never been sick before the ear infection that led to her

>meningitis made me question my judgement. So I read and read and

>obsessed over

>adjuvants and escape strains. And then I got the path report that

>stated she died

>from the strain 23a, which developed a couple of years after routine Prevnar

>vaccines, and was not covered by it. A strain that is resistant to the first

>4 antibiotic choices we would give to children. A strain that is not

>resistant to flouroquinolones (which is contraindicated in children)

>and is the only

>choice for oral therapy!!!

Hi Gayl,

You had written to me at the time of the above but I didn't know the

subsequent Path Report findings.

This is what we are seeing, new strains appearing after suppression

of strains in the vaccines. And sometimes more deadly strains.

Also, I can't remember, was that infant vacccinated previously for

other things?

>And the more I read about all of this the more disturbed I was. I think

>there are a lot of things we don't know about the vaccines, the chemicals in

>them, and they have not been given adequate clinical trials. I think drug

>companies are influencing the CDC and the researchers who are

>working with them. So

>now I am trying to research as much as possible to give my patients the

>correct information and let them make an informed choice. Can you

>believe that no

>one at my clinic (including myself) even knew of the VAERS reporting

>system??!!

Oh my gosh - how are you supposed to be informed of it? What is

there mechanism, in place, to inform physicians of VAERS and the law

to inform and report.

>Does that not completely outrage you when you think this is the data they

>are using to report safety?? I'm sure that my clinic is

>fairly representative

>of many rural clinics in America.

Yes, I'm even more outraged.

>So that is my sad story, which I hope for Charlotte's sake, may have a happy

>ending, at least in my small part of the world.

YOu are to be so commended for caring enough and taking time out of

your busy day to research this and dig deeper and deeper.

I applaud you Gayl.

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 10, 2008

[Guest guest]

Erythromycin is a very close relative to Zithro (both are in the macrolide

class of antibiotics).......i'd be watchful for a reaction with anything from

that class......although I'm allergic to plain penicillin, and I can tolerate

it's relatives ok........

G

In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:45:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

wharrison@... writes:

I know, it was nuts. He had some puffiness around his eyelids, and since he

tends towards hives, I gave him homeopathic Apis (I use that instead of

Benadryl). It got a little better but with the weekend looming, I wanted to get

the peds opinion on whether it might be poison ivy or what, since he had

recently gotten over pneumonia.

She thought the puffiness was from mycoplasma and that his pneumonia was

back. That's why she didn't see the Zithromax as the cause of the hives. She

did

reluctantly agree to switch it to Erythromycin the next day.

Winnie

Re: What training do docs get on vax?

> > _Vaccinations@ _Vaccina

> (mailto:_Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_

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> > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 9:12 PM

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> > Ok, my thought is that so many different types of bacteria

> are

> > always

> > present in all people and when we get sick we just look for

> one

> > and pin

> > the blame on that one. The way I see that it could have

> happened

> > is

> > that she came in with an ear infection and the initial

> > antibiotics made

> > her more ill, then perhaps the even stronger antibiotics made

> > her even

> > more so.

> > I don't think antibiotics are as safe as people see them and

> > perhaps,

> > just like with vaccines, there are many unreported and

> unknown

> > severe

> > reactions to them.

> >

> > > >

> > > >Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

> > > > switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing

> and

> > was

> > > flown to the

> > > > regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty

> sure

> > the ear

> > > infection led to

> > > > the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and

> 6

> > month

> > > > immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

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I guess the whole immunity question is up in the air with me, although in

reviewing my cellular immunology, I can see how limited exposure to just certain

" pieces " of the organism would likely not induce complete immunity. I think

that in certain cases, it's ok, especially if the disease in question is

absolutely horrible in most cases (like smallpox and polio). On the other hand

to

think we can just eliminate all organisms that cause illness is foolish.

There is a reason our immune system developed as it has and to alter it to such

a degree as we are doing now is dangerous to the population as a whole. I

have always said " germs strengthen the immune system " !!! And I truly believe

that - for example I was on 3 immunosuppressant drugs over the past winter with

a pretty puny white cell count, and the only thing that happened was that I

caught Strep throat twice. And I saw plenty of influenza and the usual

conglomeration of illnesses that occur in the winter. I attribute my luck there

to

the fact that I have been exposed to most of this junk for my entire life. My

only strategy was to wash my hands good before and after each patient, and

occasionally down a bag of echinacea/zinc losenges.

Even worse is the fact that the vaccines are not being developed on entirely

benevolent principles, and the scientific method is not being applied. There

are a lot of assumptions that are being made about safety and efficacy and

long term problems. You know what happens when you " assume " something!

What I would really like to see, and I don't know if this has ever been

done....is to examine the antibody complexes of someone who had, say, wild

measles with someone who had the vaccine. But like the whole breast milk/formula

controversy, there are likely things that occur naturally that cannot possibly

be mimicked in the laboratory.

I'm not opposed to changing my opinion about the immunity issue. I am still

looking for a direct comparison so I can make sense of it.

G

In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:47:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

mum2mishka@... writes:

HI Gayl, welcome to the list. It's good to see a doctor on the right side

of the fence!! LOL!

Can I ask you a question please? Do you believe in/accept the *concept* of

vaccination, or is it the safety aspect that leads you to question them? If

all vaccines had no dangerous/questionaall vaccines had no dangerous/que

that they were a good thing to have? Do you feel they actually *do* what

they are marketed to do - i.e., prevent illness?

Sue x

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From: _drgglow@..._ (mailto:drgglow@...)

Date: 15/09/2008 8:52:12 PM

_Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_ (mailto:Vaccinations )

Subject: Re: Re: What training do docs get on vax?

I think that definitely eradicating one type of bacteria opens the door for

others to take it's place. " Nature abhors a vacuum " .

That is also my fear that with more and more kids being vaccinated against

" everything " " everything " <WBR>, we are opening a Pandora's box of opportunisti

and

also helping to create new strains that are more virulent and vaccine

resistant. In an article I found about the 23a strain of pneumococcus, the

ending

sentence was about altering the vaccine to cover this strain as well. The

only

thing I can say about that is " duh, what do you think will happen next when

you do that? "

G

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At 02:51 AM 9/15/2008, you wrote:

>Charlotte came in initially with an ear infection, very routine, bit of a

>fever, fussy, etc. Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

>switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing and was

>flown to the

>regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty sure the ear

>infection led to

>the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and 6 month

>immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

>And btw, I never prescribe antibiotics for red ear drums alone!!!! LOL

>

>G

I would suggest that earlier vaccines are what cause the harm that

then leads to ear infections - soon thereafter or later.

Then the recurring antibiotics that usually happen contribute to more injury

And then later ear infections leading to meningitis.

It is the vaccines that cause the harm to begin with.

I never hear of meningitis in unvaccinated infants

I rarely saw meningitis when I worked in peds in the 70's

Although did see a ton of ear infections.

But also we didn't have HIB & Prevnar and Hep B vax at birth, etc.

It may be that the HIB is part of the set up.

I'll send some info

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 10, 2008

[Guest guest]

Hey, I'm learning, you're learning, we are all learning here. Can't do that

without questions!!!!

G

In a message dated 9/15/2008 9:35:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

Casper3@... writes:

Guess that goes to show how powerful the damage is to the immune system from

vaccines to be able to override the positive immune boosting that breast

feeding gives.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer so many questions that

you're getting lately!

Kay in KY

-----Original Message-----

Yup, exclusively up until 9 months or so.

In a message dated 9/14/2008 9:12:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_Casper3@..._ (mailto:Casper3@...) writes:

Curious again, was she breast fed?

Kay in KY

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>

>

>You mentioned that the little girl never had Prevnar shot but she did

>have HIB shot which is supposetly against a bacteria that causes some

>ear infections/meninigitis. Could ahve HIB vaccine displaced other

>strains and cause the more virulent/rare form to take over and cause

>death?

exactly and see my other posts on this

>This story really freaked me out. I am so afraid of meningitis

>despite hearing " pathogens are nothing, terrain is everything " This

>disease scares the hell out of me...

I hear you, but it is extremely rare and the vaccine doesn't give

immunity anyway.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 10, 2008

[Guest guest]

Exactly......ask anyone in our age group and I'm sure very few ever knew or

heard of someone having meningitis. The case I spoke about was the second one

I have ever seen in my life. The first one being in 1993 in Birmingham

Alabama. It doesn't happen very often. I think it's something like 44/100,000

with infants comprising a much smaller number than that, and keeping in mind

this includes people who are sick, have AIDS, have cancer, etc, etc. So the rate

of occurrence for normal healthy folks is very low.

G

In a message dated 9/15/2008 10:18:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

wharrison@... writes:

Okay, so there are a number of places it takes hold. I don't remember this

ever being a concern when I was growing up. Of course, my perspective was one

of a child but still...

Winnie

Re: RE: Re: What training do docs get

> > on vax?

> > _Vaccinations@ _Vaccina

> > (mailto:_Vaccinatio (mailto:_Va

> (mailto:_Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_

(mailto:Vaccinations ) ) )

> >

> > > Charlotte, a 10 month old patient of mine, who I delivered,

> > died

> > > from strep

> > > pneumo meningitis in May. I had recommended against

> Prevnar.

> > For

> > > 3 weeks I

> > > agonized over this decision. During that time I realized

> that

> > > although I

> > > recommend against most of the newer vaccines (starting with

> > > chickenpox) because I

> > > didn't feel they were necessary and had a gut feeling that

> we

> > > are screwing

> > > with our immune system on a global basis, I really didn't

> know

> >

> > > WHY I was

> > > recommending against them from the medical/scientific

> > viewpoint.

> > > The fact that this

> > > baby who had never been sick before the ear infection that

> > led

> > > to her

> > > meningitis made me question my judgement. So I read and

> read

> > and

> > > obsessed over

> > > adjuvants and escape strains. And then I got the path

> report

> > > that stated she died

> > > from the strain 23a, which developed a couple of years

> after

> > > routine Prevnar

> > > vaccines, and was not covered by it. A strain that is

> > resistant

> > > to the first

> > > 4 antibiotic choices we would give to children. A strain

> that

> > is

> > > not

> > > resistant to flouroquinolones (which is contraindicated in

> > > children) and is the only

> > > choice for oral therapy!!!

> > > And the more I read about all of this the more disturbed I

> > was.

> > > I think

> > > there are a lot of things we don't know about the vaccines,

> > the

> > > chemicals in

> > > them, and they have not been given adequate clinical

> trials.

> > I

> > > think drug

> > > companies are influencing the CDC and the researchers who

> are

> > > working with them. So

> > > now I am trying to research as much as possible to give my

> > > patients the

> > > correct information and let them make an informed choice.

> Can

> > > you believe that no

> > > one at my clinic (including myself) even knew of the VAERS

> > > reporting

> > > system??!! Does that not completely outrage you when you

> > think

> > > this is the data they

> > > are using to report safety?? I'm sure that my clinic is

> fairly

> >

> > > representative

> > > of many rural clinics in America.

> > > So that is my sad story, which I hope for Charlotte's sake,

> > may

> > > have a happy

> > > ending, at least in my small part of the world.

> > >

> > > Gayl

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 9/14/2008 7:34:56 P.M. Central Daylight

> > Time,

> > >

> > > __Casper3fuse (DOT) __Casper__Casper3fuse (DOT) _Ca_

(mailto:_Casper3@...) ) _

> (mailto:__Casper3fuse (DOT) _Ca_ (mailto:_Casper3@...) _

(mailto:_Casper3@..._ (mailto:Casper3@...) ) ) writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So what was your " light bulb " moment? I was an

> > > obstetric/pediatric RN for

> > > 10 years, and it sickens me to think about all of the

> > vaccines

> > > and drugs I

> > > administered, to my patients and to my own 2 children.

> > >

> > > It wasn't until our puppy had a reaction to vaccines almost

> 8

> > > years ago that

> > > I started researching about the dangers of vaccines. I was

> > > appalled with

> > > what I found.

> > >

> > > I'm just curious how you discovered the truth? I think it's

> > > awesome that

> > > you have!

> > >

> > > Kay in KY

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > >

> > > Since I got into this a few months ago I became outraged at

> > how

> > > I have been

> > >

> > > misled when in everything else we're taught it's all about

> > > scientific

> > > principle and evidence based medicine. I'm even angrier at

> > > myself for

> > > falling right

> > > into that trap. I love giving drug reps a hard time. I am

> > > skeptical about

> > > most

> > > of what they present (except for lunch!). And yet I thought

> > > nothing of

> > > injecting chemicals into my patients, myself, and my own

> kids

> > without> really

> > > knowing what I was truly doing. Because someone told me

> that's

> >

> > > what I was

> > > supposed

> > > to do. Ugh!!!!!

> > >

> > > G

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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These are scary pics! My littlest guy had a reaction to Zithromax where his

whole body broke out in a solid, bright red. The ped told me to continue the

antis and just give him Benadryl, that it was more important to treat the

pneumonia. I said no way was I ever giving him Zithromax again. One of the

scariest nights of my life as a parent.

After seeing these pics, I'm so glad I refused. I cannot imagine what the ped

was thinking.

Winnie

Re: What training do docs get on vax?

> Vaccinations

> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 9:12 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Ok, my thought is that so many different types of bacteria are

> always

> present in all people and when we get sick we just look for one

> and pin

> the blame on that one. The way I see that it could have happened

> is

> that she came in with an ear infection and the initial

> antibiotics made

> her more ill, then perhaps the even stronger antibiotics made

> her even

> more so.

> I don't think antibiotics are as safe as people see them and

> perhaps,

> just like with vaccines, there are many unreported and unknown

> severe

> reactions to them.

>

> > >

> > >Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

> > > switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing and

> was

> > flown to the

> > > regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty sure

> the ear

> > infection led to

> > > the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and 6

> month

> > > immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know, it was nuts. He had some puffiness around his eyelids, and since he

tends towards hives, I gave him homeopathic Apis (I use that instead of

Benadryl). It got a little better but with the weekend looming, I wanted to get

the peds opinion on whether it might be poison ivy or what, since he had

recently gotten over pneumonia.

She thought the puffiness was from mycoplasma and that his pneumonia was back.

That's why she didn't see the Zithromax as the cause of the hives. She did

reluctantly agree to switch it to Erythromycin the next day.

Winnie

Re: What training do docs get on vax?

> > _Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_

> (mailto:Vaccinations )

> > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 9:12 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ok, my thought is that so many different types of bacteria

> are

> > always

> > present in all people and when we get sick we just look for

> one

> > and pin

> > the blame on that one. The way I see that it could have

> happened

> > is

> > that she came in with an ear infection and the initial

> > antibiotics made

> > her more ill, then perhaps the even stronger antibiotics made

> > her even

> > more so.

> > I don't think antibiotics are as safe as people see them and

> > perhaps,

> > just like with vaccines, there are many unreported and

> unknown

> > severe

> > reactions to them.

> >

> > > >

> > > >Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

> > > > switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back seizing

> and

> > was

> > > flown to the

> > > > regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty

> sure

> > the ear

> > > infection led to

> > > > the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2, 4,and

> 6

> > month

> > > > immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

HI Gayl, welcome to the list. It's good to see a doctor on the right side

of the fence!! LOL!

Can I ask you a question please? Do you believe in/accept the *concept* of

vaccination, or is it the safety aspect that leads you to question them? If

all vaccines had no dangerous/questionable substances in them, would you say

that they were a good thing to have? Do you feel they actually *do* what

they are marketed to do - i.e., prevent illness?

Sue x

-- Re: Re: What training do docs get on vax?

I think that definitely eradicating one type of bacteria opens the door for

others to take it's place. " Nature abhors a vacuum " .

That is also my fear that with more and more kids being vaccinated against

" everything " , we are opening a Pandora's box of opportunistic infections,

and

also helping to create new strains that are more virulent and vaccine

resistant. In an article I found about the 23a strain of pneumococcus, the

ending

sentence was about altering the vaccine to cover this strain as well. The

only

thing I can say about that is " duh, what do you think will happen next when

you do that? "

G

[Guest guest]

Guess that goes to show how powerful the damage is to the immune system from

vaccines to be able to override the positive immune boosting that breast

feeding gives.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer so many questions that

you're getting lately!

Kay in KY

-----Original Message-----

Yup, exclusively up until 9 months or so.

In a message dated 9/14/2008 9:12:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Casper3@... writes:

Curious again, was she breast fed?

Kay in KY

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I didn't know that. I rarely go for antibiotics, just for strep or

pneumonia after a few scary experiences with that. I usually keep the kids home

at the first sign of anything and slam them with EmergenC and Larix, and avoid

the usual food suspects since eating junk is generally the culprit. Then

homeopathy and if desperate, antibiotics. Thankfully my youngest is nine so

we're past that scary baby/toddler time.

Winnie

Re: What training do docs get on vax?

> > > _Vaccinations@ _Vaccina

> > (mailto:_Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_

> (mailto:Vaccinations ) )

> > > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 9:12 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ok, my thought is that so many different types of bacteria

> > are

> > > always

> > > present in all people and when we get sick we just look for

> > one

> > > and pin

> > > the blame on that one. The way I see that it could have

> > happened

> > > is

> > > that she came in with an ear infection and the initial

> > > antibiotics made

> > > her more ill, then perhaps the even stronger antibiotics

> made

> > > her even

> > > more so.

> > > I don't think antibiotics are as safe as people see them and

>

> > > perhaps,

> > > just like with vaccines, there are many unreported and

> > unknown

> > > severe

> > > reactions to them.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Continued to get worse over a period of days despite

> > > > > switching to stronger antibiotics. She came back

> seizing

> > and

> > > was

> > > > flown to the

> > > > > regional pediatric intensive care facility. So pretty

> > sure

> > > the ear

> > > > infection led to

> > > > > the meningitis. She did have her other " routine " 2,

> 4,and

> > 6

> > > month

> > > > > immunizations - Pediarix and Hib

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Exactly!

Kay in KY

-----Original Message-----

Hey, I'm learning, you're learning, we are all learning here. Can't do that

without questions!!!!

G

In a message dated 9/15/2008 9:35:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

Casper3@... writes:

Guess that goes to show how powerful the damage is to the immune system

from

vaccines to be able to override the positive immune boosting that breast

feeding gives.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer so many questions that

you're getting lately!

Kay in KY

[Guest guest]

Okay, so there are a number of places it takes hold. I don't remember this ever

being a concern when I was growing up. Of course, my perspective was one of a

child but still...

Winnie

Re: RE: Re: What training do docs get

> > on vax?

> > _Vaccinations@ _Vaccina

> > (mailto:_Vaccinations@VaccinationsVac_

> (mailto:Vaccinations ) )

> >

> > > Charlotte, a 10 month old patient of mine, who I delivered,

> > died

> > > from strep

> > > pneumo meningitis in May. I had recommended against

> Prevnar.

> > For

> > > 3 weeks I

> > > agonized over this decision. During that time I realized

> that

> > > although I

> > > recommend against most of the newer vaccines (starting with

> > > chickenpox) because I

> > > didn't feel they were necessary and had a gut feeling that

> we

> > > are screwing

> > > with our immune system on a global basis, I really didn't

> know

> >

> > > WHY I was

> > > recommending against them from the medical/scientific

> > viewpoint.

> > > The fact that this

> > > baby who had never been sick before the ear infection that

> > led

> > > to her

> > > meningitis made me question my judgement. So I read and

> read

> > and

> > > obsessed over

> > > adjuvants and escape strains. And then I got the path

> report

> > > that stated she died

> > > from the strain 23a, which developed a couple of years

> after

> > > routine Prevnar

> > > vaccines, and was not covered by it. A strain that is

> > resistant

> > > to the first

> > > 4 antibiotic choices we would give to children. A strain

> that

> > is

> > > not

> > > resistant to flouroquinolones (which is contraindicated in

> > > children) and is the only

> > > choice for oral therapy!!!

> > > And the more I read about all of this the more disturbed I

> > was.

> > > I think

> > > there are a lot of things we don't know about the vaccines,

> > the

> > > chemicals in

> > > them, and they have not been given adequate clinical

> trials.

> > I

> > > think drug

> > > companies are influencing the CDC and the researchers who

> are

> > > working with them. So

> > > now I am trying to research as much as possible to give my

> > > patients the

> > > correct information and let them make an informed choice.

> Can

> > > you believe that no

> > > one at my clinic (including myself) even knew of the VAERS

> > > reporting

> > > system??!! Does that not completely outrage you when you

> > think

> > > this is the data they

> > > are using to report safety?? I'm sure that my clinic is

> fairly

> >

> > > representative

> > > of many rural clinics in America.

> > > So that is my sad story, which I hope for Charlotte's sake,

> > may

> > > have a happy

> > > ending, at least in my small part of the world.

> > >

> > > Gayl

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 9/14/2008 7:34:56 P.M. Central Daylight

> > Time,

> > >

> > > __Casper3fuse (DOT) _Ca_ (mailto:_Casper3@...) _

> (mailto:_Casper3@..._ (mailto:Casper3@...) ) writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So what was your " light bulb " moment? I was an

> > > obstetric/pediatric RN for

> > > 10 years, and it sickens me to think about all of the

> > vaccines

> > > and drugs I

> > > administered, to my patients and to my own 2 children.

> > >

> > > It wasn't until our puppy had a reaction to vaccines almost

> 8

> > > years ago that

> > > I started researching about the dangers of vaccines. I was

> > > appalled with

> > > what I found.

> > >

> > > I'm just curious how you discovered the truth? I think it's

> > > awesome that

> > > you have!

> > >

> > > Kay in KY

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > >

> > > Since I got into this a few months ago I became outraged at

> > how

> > > I have been

> > >

> > > misled when in everything else we're taught it's all about

> > > scientific

> > > principle and evidence based medicine. I'm even angrier at

> > > myself for

> > > falling right

> > > into that trap. I love giving drug reps a hard time. I am

> > > skeptical about

> > > most

> > > of what they present (except for lunch!). And yet I thought

> > > nothing of

> > > injecting chemicals into my patients, myself, and my own

> kids

> > without> really

> > > knowing what I was truly doing. Because someone told me

> that's

> >

> > > what I was

> > > supposed

> > > to do. Ugh!!!!!

> > >

> > > G

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ************ ******** ************ ******** ******

> > you he

> > > fashion blog,

> > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at

> StyleList.com.

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi and wellcome.

I know the Allopaths are all about treatments and do not

understand cause much less toxemia. The body building disease

by cellular waste, and other poisons being retained in the system due to faulty

elimination. Just wanted to point out that skin, ear, sinus, and urinary tract

infections are not the cause of a dis-ease but a symptom themselves.

Glad to hear that you are waking up to some of the absurdities of the Allopathic

profession.

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D

Shots in body's are dangerous

and drugs(meds) also

Re: RE: Re: What training do docs get

> > on vax?

> > _Vaccinations@ _Vaccina

> > (mailto:_Vaccinatio ns@VaccinationsV ac_

> (mailto:Vaccinations) )

> >

> > > Charlotte, a 10 month old patient of mine, who I delivered,

> > died

> > > from strep

> > > pneumo meningitis in May. I had recommended against

> Prevnar.

> > For

> > > 3 weeks I

> > > agonized over this decision. During that time I realized

> that

> > > although I

> > > recommend against most of the newer vaccines (starting with

> > > chickenpox) because I

> > > didn't feel they were necessary and had a gut feeling that

> we

> > > are screwing

> > > with our immune system on a global basis, I really didn't

> know

> >

> > > WHY I was

> > > recommending against them from the medical/scientific

> > viewpoint.

> > > The fact that this

> > > baby who had never been sick before the ear infection that

> > led

> > > to her

> > > meningitis made me question my judgement. So I read and

> read

> > and

> > > obsessed over

> > > adjuvants and escape strains. And then I got the path

> report

> > > that stated she died

> > > from the strain 23a, which developed a couple of years

> after

> > > routine Prevnar

> > > vaccines, and was not covered by it. A strain that is

> > resistant

> > > to the first

> > > 4 antibiotic choices we would give to children. A strain

> that

> > is

> > > not

> > > resistant to flouroquinolones (which is contraindicated in

> > > children) and is the only

> > > choice for oral therapy!!!

> > > And the more I read about all of this the more disturbed I

> > was.

> > > I think

> > > there are a lot of things we don't know about the vaccines,

> > the

> > > chemicals in

> > > them, and they have not been given adequate clinical

> trials.

> > I

> > > think drug

> > > companies are influencing the CDC and the researchers who

> are

> > > working with them. So

> > > now I am trying to research as much as possible to give my

> > > patients the

> > > correct information and let them make an informed choice.

> Can

> > > you believe that no

> > > one at my clinic (including myself) even knew of the VAERS

> > > reporting

> > > system??!! Does that not completely outrage you when you

> > think

> > > this is the data they

> > > are using to report safety?? I'm sure that my clinic is

> fairly

> >

> > > representative

> > > of many rural clinics in America.

> > > So that is my sad story, which I hope for Charlotte's sake,

> > may

> > > have a happy

> > > ending, at least in my small part of the world.

> > >

> > > Gayl

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 9/14/2008 7:34:56 P.M. Central Daylight

> > Time,

> > >

> > > __Casper3fuse (DOT) _Ca_ (mailto:_Casper3fuse (DOT) Cas) _

> (mailto:_Casper3fuse (DOT) Cas_ (mailto:Casper3fuse (DOT) net) ) writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So what was your " light bulb " moment? I was an

> > > obstetric/pediatric RN for

> > > 10 years, and it sickens me to think about all of the

> > vaccines

> > > and drugs I

> > > administered, to my patients and to my own 2 children.

> > >

> > > It wasn't until our puppy had a reaction to vaccines almost

> 8

> > > years ago that

> > > I started researching about the dangers of vaccines. I was

> > > appalled with

> > > what I found.

> > >

> > > I'm just curious how you discovered the truth? I think it's

> > > awesome that

> > > you have!

> > >

> > > Kay in KY

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > >

> > > Since I got into this a few months ago I became outraged at

> > how

> > > I have been

> > >

> > > misled when in everything else we're taught it's all about

> > > scientific

> > > principle and evidence based medicine. I'm even angrier at

> > > myself for

> > > falling right

> > > into that trap. I love giving drug reps a hard time. I am

> > > skeptical about

> > > most

> > > of what they present (except for lunch!). And yet I thought

> > > nothing of

> > > injecting chemicals into my patients, myself, and my own

> kids

> > without> really

> > > knowing what I was truly doing. Because someone told me

> that's

> >

> > > what I was

> > > supposed

> > > to do. Ugh!!!!!

> > >

> > > G

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

It's just that the more I research, the more I do not believe in

viruses. Seems every sickness today is blamed on some kind of virus

and eventually there is a vaccine. I know bacteria exist, but not too

sure on the extent of the harm. I'm just wondering, has it actually

been proven that bacteria or a virus is the absolute sole cause of

meningitis or any other sickness? Plus, I know a virus has never been

isolated.

Anyways, I was thinking about it this morning and I remembered

something interesting. I used to suffer from constant ear infections

as a child (yes, I was vaccinated,) and always I took antibiotics and

they cleared up and then came back. When I got a little older they

cleared up on their own for the most part, but haven't had one since my

teenage years. My point is, that whatever doctor I used to see would

tell me that the ear infection was caused by water in the ear and that

was it, but eventually, sometime in the late 80s, the doctors would say

no, water has nothing to do with it, ear infections are caused by

viruses.

So I think somewhere in that time viruses got popularized and they

became a blame for most things.

Now I'm pretty sure my ear infections were caused by the fact that I

would drink nothing but soda, regular or diet, and we ate a ton of

margaine (doctor suggested it, of course,) and my diet was just poor

over all.

>

> Well......I guess I'm too much of an allopath to agree with you

> there......although in some cases antibiotics are definitely not your

friend. I still

> think that when used appropriately (that is not for every sneeze,

sniffle, cough

> and temp above 99F) antibiotics can be helpful.

>

> G

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hear you, but you may want to look at it from a different perspective.

That of suppression as I wrote in the post a bit ago.

And also suppression of the immune system.

I never see anymore, in my self, family or patients, any need for an

antibiotic with homeopathy.

Of course in life-threatening situation to buy time--that's another story.

Sheri

At 01:53 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:

>Well......I guess I'm too much of an allopath to agree with you

>there......although in some cases antibiotics are definitely not

>your friend. I still

>think that when used appropriately (that is not for every sneeze,

>sniffle, cough

>and temp above 99F) antibiotics can be helpful.

>

>G

>

>

>In a message dated 9/14/2008 11:12:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

>vidamarino@... writes:

>

>

>

>

>Ok, my thought is that so many different types of bacteria are always

>present in all people and when we get sick we just look for one and pin

>the blame on that one. The way I see that it could have happened is

>that she came in with an ear infection and the initial antibiotics made

>her more ill, then perhaps the even stronger antibiotics made her even

>more so.

>I don't think antibiotics are as safe as people see them and perhaps,

>just like with vaccines, there are many unreported and unknown severe

>reactions to them.