Re: Good Work

January 18, 2000

Dear Cyn,

Unfortunately, I've been up since 2:30 a.m. One of those insomnia things

that comes with HCV. Thanks for your kind words!

Love,

Bren

January 18, 2000

Hi Bren

Glad to see someone

else is up at the crack

of dawn and supporting

the HCV group.

Keep up the good work!

Cyn

Re: Combo side effects

>From: goez@...

>

>Peggy,

> Drink tons of water and then some more! Also, get plenty of rest. If

you're

>anything like me, or others I know, as scared as you are now, it will be

>tenfold on your first shot day! The anticipation was worse then the shot

and

>side effects, combined. And just remember, you're not alone, we're gonna be

>with you for the long haul!

>Love,

>Bren

>

>---------------------------

January 18, 2000

Hi Bren

Glad to see someone

else is up at the crack

of dawn and supporting

the HCV group.

Keep up the good work!

Cyn

Re: Combo side effects

>From: goez@...

>

>Peggy,

> Drink tons of water and then some more! Also, get plenty of rest. If

you're

>anything like me, or others I know, as scared as you are now, it will be

>tenfold on your first shot day! The anticipation was worse then the shot

and

>side effects, combined. And just remember, you're not alone, we're gonna be

>with you for the long haul!

>Love,

>Bren

>

>---------------------------

January 18, 2000

>Dear Cyn,

> Unfortunately, I've been up since 2:30 a.m. One of those insomnia things

>that comes with HCV. Thanks for your kind words!

>Love,

>Bren

Is the insomnia due to the medications or the HCV???? I have not started

treatment but over the last six months sleep is just not something that I

do...

Love & Blessings

Malinda

April 28, 2004

Hi Fellow Breast Implant Sisters:

I came to this support group to learn about the experience of other women who have entered the "implant hell zone" as I have. I was happy to be here and sympathize and empathize with you all but I have to say, I don't like what I'm seeing. While I don't agree with Amy's choice, I feel this thick air of blantant hostility directed at this woman because of HER CHOICE. That's just not right.How dare we judge her for making a choice that each and everyone here has made? We were all there REMEMBER? Right, wrong, or indifferent, what happened to having common respect for your fellow human being? I would only treat my enemy with with such ugliness, someone deserving of my anger (such as my former plastic surgeon), not a stranger on the Internet. Stop it with the displaced anger already, for it's getting old.I know, been there done that and believe me when I tell you, it solves nothing.

How much good do you all think you're doing for the cause, OUR CAUSE, by being mean, nasty and sanctimonius torward others who we don't share the same opinion? Yes, Amy will run to 's site faster than you can say "implants suck" and all those cheesy pro implant sites who will welcome her with open arms because of the way women are treated here, they're not dummies.

For those who participate in these types of attacks: thanks for making those who want to make a REAL difference look bad.No wonder they laugh at us and don't take us or implant disasters seriously! IF Amy does get sick, maimed or what have you, or others like her who have been here on this site to witness this display of cattiness, do you think they'll come back here? I DON'T THINK SO!

Good work ladies, good work.

Please turn this around before we all look like bitter catty fools.

Thank you for reading my post.Vickie <gracie17db@...> wrote:

: I thought it was just me, but that "giggle" in her email got to you too, huh? what a smartass! She definetly needs to go to another site.

Vickienaturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Crickett I agree with you. I think that she is either really cruel to play around with us this way or else maybe someone who is not what she really appears to be. Either way she needs to move on to one of the pro implant sites if she is so set on getting implants. Not to be a bitch but we have all poured our hearts out to her and she responds with giggles. It seems very rude to me.Amy there are other places that will be happy to coach you along with your surgery.s implant info is one of them. Why not go there if your so set on only believing implants will not harm you. Why come here and upset everyone?Good luck, but don't expect much positive vibes around here.we have all been harmed by implants, and I did not even have any family history of any autoimune disease, so your taking a huge

risk.ByeIn , "cricket5643000" <cricket5643000@y...> wrote:> I'm sorry but right now I'm not in a very good mood, and it seems to > me that you are just playing with us.> > There are sites that would be better suited for you. I can not get > excieted about you getting your implants in a couple of weeks.> > I pray to God that we will not see you back here in a couple of > years in tears that you are so sick and you wish someone had warned > you.> > Cricket

April 28, 2004

Hi Fellow Breast Implant Sisters:

I came to this support group to learn about the experience of other women who have entered the "implant hell zone" as I have. I was happy to be here and sympathize and empathize with you all but I have to say, I don't like what I'm seeing. While I don't agree with Amy's choice, I feel this thick air of blantant hostility directed at this woman because of HER CHOICE. That's just not right.How dare we judge her for making a choice that each and everyone here has made? We were all there REMEMBER? Right, wrong, or indifferent, what happened to having common respect for your fellow human being? I would only treat my enemy with with such ugliness, someone deserving of my anger (such as my former plastic surgeon), not a stranger on the Internet. Stop it with the displaced anger already, for it's getting old.I know, been there done that and believe me when I tell you, it solves nothing.

How much good do you all think you're doing for the cause, OUR CAUSE, by being mean, nasty and sanctimonius torward others who we don't share the same opinion? Yes, Amy will run to 's site faster than you can say "implants suck" and all those cheesy pro implant sites who will welcome her with open arms because of the way women are treated here, they're not dummies.

For those who participate in these types of attacks: thanks for making those who want to make a REAL difference look bad.No wonder they laugh at us and don't take us or implant disasters seriously! IF Amy does get sick, maimed or what have you, or others like her who have been here on this site to witness this display of cattiness, do you think they'll come back here? I DON'T THINK SO!

Good work ladies, good work.

Please turn this around before we all look like bitter catty fools.

Thank you for reading my post.Vickie <gracie17db@...> wrote:

: I thought it was just me, but that "giggle" in her email got to you too, huh? what a smartass! She definetly needs to go to another site.

Vickienaturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Crickett I agree with you. I think that she is either really cruel to play around with us this way or else maybe someone who is not what she really appears to be. Either way she needs to move on to one of the pro implant sites if she is so set on getting implants. Not to be a bitch but we have all poured our hearts out to her and she responds with giggles. It seems very rude to me.Amy there are other places that will be happy to coach you along with your surgery.s implant info is one of them. Why not go there if your so set on only believing implants will not harm you. Why come here and upset everyone?Good luck, but don't expect much positive vibes around here.we have all been harmed by implants, and I did not even have any family history of any autoimune disease, so your taking a huge

risk.ByeIn , "cricket5643000" <cricket5643000@y...> wrote:> I'm sorry but right now I'm not in a very good mood, and it seems to > me that you are just playing with us.> > There are sites that would be better suited for you. I can not get > excieted about you getting your implants in a couple of weeks.> > I pray to God that we will not see you back here in a couple of > years in tears that you are so sick and you wish someone had warned > you.> > Cricket

April 28, 2004

Dear Jane Doe,

I am not sure i have seen you posting here before, are you an active

member who has told her story and I maybe missed it? you say you have

been in the " implant hell zone " please share your story as I said I

must have missed it. I am sorry that you seem to feel we were catty,

i disagree with you 100% we all tried desperately to be kind and

caring towards Amy, she is the one who added giggles and rude

comments to us, we are sick women and have been through implant hell

as you put it, to be mocked is rude and insensitive. If you are

embarassed to be a part of this group you don't have to be here if I

am an embarassment to you. I happen to have been in this group over 3

years now and have been here almost daily contributing hours of my

time and dedicating hours of photos and personal tips on how to get

through this and get well. If someone like Amy comes here and is

respectful of our illness that is fine we don't have a problem with

it, but when they are rude or insensitive then they need to re-read

the statement on what and why this group is here. It is not pro

implant. Period. If you feel we were rude then I am surprised that

you did not find anything she said to us rude and really wonder what

your point in this post is?

In , Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Fellow Breast Implant Sisters:

> I came to this support group to learn about the experience of other

women who have entered the " implant hell zone " as I have. I was happy

to be here and sympathize and empathize with you all but I have to

say, I don't like what I'm seeing. While I don't agree with Amy's

choice, I feel this thick air of blantant hostility directed at this

woman because of HER CHOICE. That's just not right.How dare we judge

her for making a choice that each and everyone here has made? We were

all there REMEMBER? Right, wrong, or indifferent, what happened to

having common respect for your fellow human being? I would only treat

my enemy with with such ugliness, someone deserving of my anger (such

as my former plastic surgeon), not a stranger on the Internet. Stop

it with the displaced anger already, for it's getting old.I know,

been there done that and believe me when I tell you, it solves

nothing.

>

> How much good do you all think you're doing for the cause, OUR

CAUSE, by being mean, nasty and sanctimonius torward others who we

don't share the same opinion? Yes, Amy will run to 's site

faster than you can say " implants suck " and all those cheesy pro

implant sites who will welcome her with open arms because of the way

women are treated here, they're not dummies.

>

> For those who participate in these types of attacks: thanks for

making those who want to make a REAL difference look bad.No wonder

they laugh at us and don't take us or implant disasters seriously! IF

Amy does get sick, maimed or what have you, or others like her who

have been here on this site to witness this display of cattiness, do

you think they'll come back here? I DON'T THINK SO!

> Good work ladies, good work.

>

> Please turn this around before we all look like bitter catty fools.

> Thank you for reading my post.

>

> Vickie <gracie17db@y...> wrote:

> : I thought it was just me, but that " giggle " in her email

got to you too, huh? what a smartass! She definetly needs to go to

another site.

> Vickie

>

> naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:

> Crickett I agree with you. I think that she is either really cruel

to

> play around with us this way or else maybe someone who is not what

> she really appears to be. Either way she needs to move on to one of

> the pro implant sites if she is so set on getting implants. Not to

be

> a bitch but we have all poured our hearts out to her and she

responds

> with giggles. It seems very rude to me.

> Amy there are other places that will be happy to coach you along

with

> your surgery.

> s implant info is one of them. Why not go there if your so

set

> on only believing implants will not harm you. Why come here and

upset

> everyone?

> Good luck, but don't expect much positive vibes around here.

> we have all been harmed by implants, and I did not even have any

> family history of any autoimune disease, so your taking a huge risk.

> Bye

>

> In , " cricket5643000 "

> <cricket5643000@y...> wrote:

> > I'm sorry but right now I'm not in a very good mood, and it seems

> to

> > me that you are just playing with us.

> >

> > There are sites that would be better suited for you. I can not

get

> > excieted about you getting your implants in a couple of weeks.

> >

> > I pray to God that we will not see you back here in a couple of

> > years in tears that you are so sick and you wish someone had

warned

> > you.

> >

> > Cricket

>

April 29, 2004

, I just opened up my account so you have not missed anything. naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Dear Jane Doe,I am not sure i have seen you posting here before, are you an active member who has told her story and I maybe missed it? you say you have been in the "implant hell zone" please share your story as I said I must have missed it. I am sorry that you seem to feel we were catty, i disagree with you 100% we all tried desperately to be kind and caring towards Amy, she is the one who added giggles and rude comments to us, we are sick women and have been through implant hell as you put it, to be mocked is rude and insensitive. If you are embarassed to be a part of this group you don't have to be here if I am an embarassment to you. I happen to have been in this group over 3 years now and have been here almost daily contributing hours of my time and dedicating hours of photos and personal tips on how to get through this and

get well. If someone like Amy comes here and is respectful of our illness that is fine we don't have a problem with it, but when they are rude or insensitive then they need to re-read the statement on what and why this group is here. It is not pro implant. Period. If you feel we were rude then I am surprised that you did not find anything she said to us rude and really wonder what your point in this post is?In , Jane Doe wrote:> Hi Fellow Breast Implant Sisters:> I came to this support group to learn about the experience of other women who have entered the "implant hell zone" as I have. I was happy to be here and sympathize and empathize with you all but I have to say, I don't like what I'm seeing. While I don't agree with Amy's choice, I feel this thick air of blantant hostility directed at this woman because of HER

CHOICE. That's just not right.How dare we judge her for making a choice that each and everyone here has made? We were all there REMEMBER? Right, wrong, or indifferent, what happened to having common respect for your fellow human being? I would only treat my enemy with with such ugliness, someone deserving of my anger (such as my former plastic surgeon), not a stranger on the Internet. Stop it with the displaced anger already, for it's getting old.I know, been there done that and believe me when I tell you, it solves nothing.> > How much good do you all think you're doing for the cause, OUR CAUSE, by being mean, nasty and sanctimonius torward others who we don't share the same opinion? Yes, Amy will run to 's site faster than you can say "implants suck" and all those cheesy pro implant sites who will welcome her with open arms because of the way women are treated here, they're not dummies.> > For

those who participate in these types of attacks: thanks for making those who want to make a REAL difference look bad.No wonder they laugh at us and don't take us or implant disasters seriously! IF Amy does get sick, maimed or what have you, or others like her who have been here on this site to witness this display of cattiness, do you think they'll come back here? I DON'T THINK SO!> Good work ladies, good work.> > Please turn this around before we all look like bitter catty fools.> Thank you for reading my post.> > Vickie wrote:> : I thought it was just me, but that "giggle" in her email got to you too, huh? what a smartass! She definetly needs to go to another site.> Vickie> > naturalbeauty38 wrote:> Crickett I agree with you. I think that she is either really cruel to > play around with us this way or else maybe

someone who is not what > she really appears to be. Either way she needs to move on to one of > the pro implant sites if she is so set on getting implants. Not to be > a bitch but we have all poured our hearts out to her and she responds > with giggles. It seems very rude to me.> Amy there are other places that will be happy to coach you along with > your surgery.> s implant info is one of them. Why not go there if your so set > on only believing implants will not harm you. Why come here and upset > everyone?> Good luck, but don't expect much positive vibes around here.> we have all been harmed by implants, and I did not even have any > family history of any autoimune disease, so your taking a huge risk.> Bye> > > > > > > > > > > In , "cricket5643000" >

wrote:> > I'm sorry but right now I'm not in a very good mood, and it seems > to > > me that you are just playing with us.> > > > There are sites that would be better suited for you. I can not get > > excieted about you getting your implants in a couple of weeks.> > > > I pray to God that we will not see you back here in a couple of > > years in tears that you are so sick and you wish someone had warned > > you.> > > > Cricket> > > >

April 29, 2004

,

Actually I did think Amy was rude, but only after she got the shaft, at least that's the way it looks to me. Ann was the only to answer her questions on scientific data. I too am guilty for not helping Amy, I did not post to her so I'm not without fault either.People need to treat others better or this site so we can be taken seriously.Thank You. naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Dear Jane Doe,I am not sure i have seen you posting here before, are you an active member who has told her story and I maybe missed it? you say you have been in the "implant hell zone" please share your story as I said I must have missed it. I am sorry that you seem to feel we were catty, i disagree with you 100% we all tried desperately to be kind and caring towards Amy, she is the one who added giggles and rude comments to us, we are sick women and have been through implant hell as you put it, to be mocked is rude and insensitive. If you are embarassed to be a part of this group you don't have to be here if I am an embarassment to you. I happen to have been in this group over 3 years now and have been here almost daily contributing hours of my time and dedicating hours of photos and personal tips on how to get through this and

get well. If someone like Amy comes here and is respectful of our illness that is fine we don't have a problem with it, but when they are rude or insensitive then they need to re-read the statement on what and why this group is here. It is not pro implant. Period. If you feel we were rude then I am surprised that you did not find anything she said to us rude and really wonder what your point in this post is?In , Jane Doe wrote:> Hi Fellow Breast Implant Sisters:> I came to this support group to learn about the experience of other women who have entered the "implant hell zone" as I have. I was happy to be here and sympathize and empathize with you all but I have to say, I don't like what I'm seeing. While I don't agree with Amy's choice, I feel this thick air of blantant hostility directed at this woman because of HER

CHOICE. That's just not right.How dare we judge her for making a choice that each and everyone here has made? We were all there REMEMBER? Right, wrong, or indifferent, what happened to having common respect for your fellow human being? I would only treat my enemy with with such ugliness, someone deserving of my anger (such as my former plastic surgeon), not a stranger on the Internet. Stop it with the displaced anger already, for it's getting old.I know, been there done that and believe me when I tell you, it solves nothing.> > How much good do you all think you're doing for the cause, OUR CAUSE, by being mean, nasty and sanctimonius torward others who we don't share the same opinion? Yes, Amy will run to 's site faster than you can say "implants suck" and all those cheesy pro implant sites who will welcome her with open arms because of the way women are treated here, they're not dummies.> > For

those who participate in these types of attacks: thanks for making those who want to make a REAL difference look bad.No wonder they laugh at us and don't take us or implant disasters seriously! IF Amy does get sick, maimed or what have you, or others like her who have been here on this site to witness this display of cattiness, do you think they'll come back here? I DON'T THINK SO!> Good work ladies, good work.> > Please turn this around before we all look like bitter catty fools.> Thank you for reading my post.> > Vickie wrote:> : I thought it was just me, but that "giggle" in her email got to you too, huh? what a smartass! She definetly needs to go to another site.> Vickie> > naturalbeauty38 wrote:> Crickett I agree with you. I think that she is either really cruel to > play around with us this way or else maybe

someone who is not what > she really appears to be. Either way she needs to move on to one of > the pro implant sites if she is so set on getting implants. Not to be > a bitch but we have all poured our hearts out to her and she responds > with giggles. It seems very rude to me.> Amy there are other places that will be happy to coach you along with > your surgery.> s implant info is one of them. Why not go there if your so set > on only believing implants will not harm you. Why come here and upset > everyone?> Good luck, but don't expect much positive vibes around here.> we have all been harmed by implants, and I did not even have any > family history of any autoimune disease, so your taking a huge risk.> Bye> > > > > > > > > > > In , "cricket5643000" >

wrote:> > I'm sorry but right now I'm not in a very good mood, and it seems > to > > me that you are just playing with us.> > > > There are sites that would be better suited for you. I can not get > > excieted about you getting your implants in a couple of weeks.> > > > I pray to God that we will not see you back here in a couple of > > years in tears that you are so sick and you wish someone had warned > > you.> > > > Cricket> > > >

April 29, 2004

Actually I think we have a wonderful site full of women willing to

give of their time, their love, their knowledge, compassion and

spiritual strength to help others. In fact, I've often heard that

compared to many of the other implant support groups out there, this

is the best one that can be found. I guess I have to agree with

that, as I have seen what the other groups do, and we don't even

come close to their nastiness, and I think the ladies here are the

sweetest angels. We've all suffered so greatly, and through our

suffering, we have become great friends.

I think we can offer great support for those looking for answers. I

am of the mind that all I can do is tell what I know and what I have

experienced, and then let the other person make up their own mind.

I can't force the issue, I can't change their mind, but I can relate

the suffering that I experienced, and point them in the direction of

information that they can put to use. I let God do the rest, and I

have total peace about that. I have to remember, the world doesn't

revolve around me or my opinions....God is in control, and I am so

thankful for that.

I do believe there is a point where our kindness is being trampled

upon, and I really don't want to allow that. When kindness is taken

for granted and mocked, then I feel personally that my efforts will

be better spent elsewhere, and I don't feel the need to continue to

respond to those who show insincerity. Perhaps some of you may

choose that route as well? Not every question needs an answer. I

do my best to answer as many as I can, but as I said, some questions

just don't need to be answered. And of course, some things are

better left unsaid.

I might mention....You haven't seen all of Amy's posts. I have. I

had to delete one that was particularly unkind before it reached the

group, as it would have been very upsetting to all of you, believe

me. Call me Mother Hen, I've been ripped a new one for censoring,

(and only rarely do I moderate posts) but I hope you will trust me

when I say, not all the posts are appropriate. I am doing the best

I can to keep our group on track for helping support each other and

finding our group to be a refuge from the storm out there. I know

what can happen when outsiders come in and start stirring up a

hornet's nest, so I've had my ears pricked up and try to stop it

before it gets too far. Anyone leading a group such as this has to

be prepared to do that.

So, that is what I am hoping to do now. Please, let's just let this

one pass. Amy will do what Amy is going to do. We can't change

that. If you want to write her personally, then I invite you to do

so. Personal help and support is very far reaching and meaningful,

so please avail yourself of the opportunity. But let's keep this

group for support for those who have already been down the path of

implant hell and need friends, need compassion, need a place to rest

and find comfort.

That's what I can offer. I'm not perfect, but I do my best. I hope

you will all be of the same mind.

Patty

--- In , Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@y...>

wrote:

> ,

> Actually I did think Amy was rude, but only after she got the

shaft, at least that's the way it looks to me. Ann was the only to

answer her questions on scientific data. I too am guilty for not

helping Amy, I did not post to her so I'm not without fault

either.People need to treat others better or this site so we can be

taken seriously.Thank You.

>

April 29, 2004

Patty:

I could only comment on the posts that I have read regarding Amy.You saw this nasty post but I and the rest of the group did not see it. If she did write something so nasty it had to be deleted, that is not right of her to do that and I won't defend it. I think you should have allowed the nasty post to stand because I would have addressed that appropriately just as I addressed the "smart ass" post.Two wrongs do not make a right and from where I am sitting, I felt the resentment against Amy grow first, then she followed our rude lead.And as I already said, I could have made things better by posting sooner when I saw this thing brewing.

As far as the pro implant websites go, if they are nasty or not I can't say because I never belonged to one. I take you at your word that some implant sites are, but that does not mean it's OK for us to be mean because implant sites are worse.I am not be any means implying that everyone has had the same actions here. I just hope a lesson can be learned from it and that new people are welcome to come in and join in. I feel that since I have not spoken until now, my comments were not welcome.Correct me if I have misinterpreted the mood here.

Thank you for your response Patty. I am sorry for your ordeal with implants. I read your testimony.Patty <faussettdp@...> wrote:

Actually I think we have a wonderful site full of women willing to give of their time, their love, their knowledge, compassion and spiritual strength to help others. In fact, I've often heard that compared to many of the other implant support groups out there, this is the best one that can be found. I guess I have to agree with that, as I have seen what the other groups do, and we don't even come close to their nastiness, and I think the ladies here are the sweetest angels. We've all suffered so greatly, and through our suffering, we have become great friends.I think we can offer great support for those looking for answers. I am of the mind that all I can do is tell what I know and what I have experienced, and then let the other person make up their own mind. I can't force the issue, I can't change their mind, but I can relate

the suffering that I experienced, and point them in the direction of information that they can put to use. I let God do the rest, and I have total peace about that. I have to remember, the world doesn't revolve around me or my opinions....God is in control, and I am so thankful for that.I do believe there is a point where our kindness is being trampled upon, and I really don't want to allow that. When kindness is taken for granted and mocked, then I feel personally that my efforts will be better spent elsewhere, and I don't feel the need to continue to respond to those who show insincerity. Perhaps some of you may choose that route as well? Not every question needs an answer. I do my best to answer as many as I can, but as I said, some questions just don't need to be answered. And of course, some things are better left unsaid. I might mention....You haven't seen all of Amy's posts. I have. I had to delete one

that was particularly unkind before it reached the group, as it would have been very upsetting to all of you, believe me. Call me Mother Hen, I've been ripped a new one for censoring, (and only rarely do I moderate posts) but I hope you will trust me when I say, not all the posts are appropriate. I am doing the best I can to keep our group on track for helping support each other and finding our group to be a refuge from the storm out there. I know what can happen when outsiders come in and start stirring up a hornet's nest, so I've had my ears pricked up and try to stop it before it gets too far. Anyone leading a group such as this has to be prepared to do that. So, that is what I am hoping to do now. Please, let's just let this one pass. Amy will do what Amy is going to do. We can't change that. If you want to write her personally, then I invite you to do so. Personal help and support is very far reaching and meaningful,

so please avail yourself of the opportunity. But let's keep this group for support for those who have already been down the path of implant hell and need friends, need compassion, need a place to rest and find comfort.That's what I can offer. I'm not perfect, but I do my best. I hope you will all be of the same mind.Patty> ,> Actually I did think Amy was rude, but only after she got the shaft, at least that's the way it looks to me. Ann was the only to answer her questions on scientific data. I too am guilty for not helping Amy, I did not post to her so I'm not without fault either.People need to treat others better or this site so we can be taken seriously.Thank You. >

April 29, 2004

When I mentioned nastiness on groups, I was referring to other

support groups that have become total battlefields because of the

freedom that pro-implant people have had in posting there. I was

actually not referring to pro-implant sites at all. Again, I don't

condone meanness, or bashing of people on this group, and prevent it

as far as I can. But, also, as I stated, I think we have an

extremely effective and supportive group, as you will find out the

longer you are around.

Patty

--- In , Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@y...>

wrote:

> Patty:

> I could only comment on the posts that I have read regarding

Amy.You saw this nasty post but I and the rest of the group did not

see it. If she did write something so nasty it had to be deleted,

that is not right of her to do that and I won't defend it. I think

you should have allowed the nasty post to stand because I would have

addressed that appropriately just as I addressed the " smart ass "

post.Two wrongs do not make a right and from where I am sitting, I

felt the resentment against Amy grow first, then she followed our

rude lead.And as I already said, I could have made things better by

posting sooner when I saw this thing brewing.

> As far as the pro implant websites go, if they are nasty or not I

can't say because I never belonged to one. I take you at your word

that some implant sites are, but that does not mean it's OK for us

to be mean because implant sites are worse.I am not be any means

implying that everyone has had the same actions here. I just hope a

lesson can be learned from it and that new people are welcome to

come in and join in. I feel that since I have not spoken until now,

my comments were not welcome.Correct me if I have misinterpreted the

mood here.

>

> Thank you for your response Patty. I am sorry for your ordeal with

implants. I read your testimony.

April 29, 2004

Thank you Patty, I am glad that you are keeping an eye out for us, as

I figured there would be some more nasty stuff coming from that girl,

she gave off bad vibes. I hope everyone here will be cautious.

Trust me I have been threatened before and yes, it is the same

Marie. I dont want to talk about her because she could very well

start harassing me again.

Thanks for understanding.

, " Patty " <faussettdp@y...> wrote:

> Actually I think we have a wonderful site full of women willing to

> give of their time, their love, their knowledge, compassion and

> spiritual strength to help others. In fact, I've often heard that

> compared to many of the other implant support groups out there,

this

> is the best one that can be found. I guess I have to agree with

> that, as I have seen what the other groups do, and we don't even

> come close to their nastiness, and I think the ladies here are the

> sweetest angels. We've all suffered so greatly, and through our

> suffering, we have become great friends.

>

> I think we can offer great support for those looking for answers.

I

> am of the mind that all I can do is tell what I know and what I

have

> experienced, and then let the other person make up their own mind.

> I can't force the issue, I can't change their mind, but I can

relate

> the suffering that I experienced, and point them in the direction

of

> information that they can put to use. I let God do the rest, and I

> have total peace about that. I have to remember, the world doesn't

> revolve around me or my opinions....God is in control, and I am so

> thankful for that.

>

> I do believe there is a point where our kindness is being trampled

> upon, and I really don't want to allow that. When kindness is

taken

> for granted and mocked, then I feel personally that my efforts will

> be better spent elsewhere, and I don't feel the need to continue to

> respond to those who show insincerity. Perhaps some of you may

> choose that route as well? Not every question needs an answer. I

> do my best to answer as many as I can, but as I said, some

questions

> just don't need to be answered. And of course, some things are

> better left unsaid.

>

> I might mention....You haven't seen all of Amy's posts. I have. I

> had to delete one that was particularly unkind before it reached

the

> group, as it would have been very upsetting to all of you, believe

> me. Call me Mother Hen, I've been ripped a new one for censoring,

> (and only rarely do I moderate posts) but I hope you will trust me

> when I say, not all the posts are appropriate. I am doing the best

> I can to keep our group on track for helping support each other and

> finding our group to be a refuge from the storm out there. I know

> what can happen when outsiders come in and start stirring up a

> hornet's nest, so I've had my ears pricked up and try to stop it

> before it gets too far. Anyone leading a group such as this has to

> be prepared to do that.

>

> So, that is what I am hoping to do now. Please, let's just let

this

> one pass. Amy will do what Amy is going to do. We can't change

> that. If you want to write her personally, then I invite you to do

> so. Personal help and support is very far reaching and meaningful,

> so please avail yourself of the opportunity. But let's keep this

> group for support for those who have already been down the path of

> implant hell and need friends, need compassion, need a place to

rest

> and find comfort.

>

> That's what I can offer. I'm not perfect, but I do my best. I hope

> you will all be of the same mind.

> Patty

>

> > ,

> > Actually I did think Amy was rude, but only after she got the

> shaft, at least that's the way it looks to me. Ann was the only to

> answer her questions on scientific data. I too am guilty for not

> helping Amy, I did not post to her so I'm not without fault

> either.People need to treat others better or this site so we can be

> taken seriously.Thank You.

> >

May 1, 2004

FYI I emailed that girl articles and stats and my personal story about wanting implants due to a deformity. There were several that gave her info...you must have missed those.

From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...>

Reply-

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:20:30 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Re: Good Work

,

Actually I did think Amy was rude, but only after she got the shaft, at least that's the way it looks to me. Ann was the only to answer her questions on scientific data. I too am guilty for not helping Amy, I did not post to her so I'm not without fault either.People need to treat others better or this site so we can be taken seriously.Thank You.

naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote: