AAP vaccination refusal form problem

[Guest guest]

I need some advise. A little background:

My DS is three and has never been vax'd. We made a wrong choice in

doctors originally, and it had nothing to do with vaccines. When our

DS was two months old we switched to a new doctor who I thought was

going to be great, for a lot of reasons but the first one was that she

didn't " over " medicate. I was WRONG. My problem is that before I was

educated enough, I signed the AAP vax refusal form. I should also say

that I live in an extremely conservative town, and there are NO

doctors that are non-vax friendly. And my husband, well, he gets on my

NERVES!!! He doesn't agree with me on vaccines but he does not fight me.

This is my problem:

I have increasingly become nervous of our current pediatrician. I

worry that she will turn us in if my son were to come down with a

" vaccine preventable disease " . I fear that instead of helping us

through a difficult time with a disease that she will make it harder

on us. And my number one fear of course is that she would try to have

our DS taken away from us. My husband thinks I am crazy and that it

would never come to that. He thinks I am nuts to even worry about it.

He thinks we should just find a doctor in our insurance network that

would not make us sign the form. I am confident there are none but

will be making sure of that tomorrow when I call every single one of

them (there's only about twenty). This has been going around in my

head for about two years and since DS rarely has to go to the doctor,

it kind of gets pushed to the back of my mind. But of course reading

these posts and others, my fear grows. Recently I HAVE found a doctor

outside of town that does not do vaccines!!!! This is extremely

exciting for me. The downfall is that she is not in our network. I, of

course, would not bat an eye to pay out of pocket to go to her. How it

would be great to have peace of mind that you have a doctor that

agrees with you and is there to help you through anything that may

happen. I would pay all the money I had to get that. But the problem

is, I just cannot afford it on my own. And my " darling " husband will

not do it. Sorry this is so long, and may not be very clear. What I

want/need is to know if my fear that my current doctor would take my

son from me is warranted. Any suggestions to help me make my husband

understand how bad it is to have signed the AAP vaccine refusal form?

[Guest guest]

Charlotte - you know what they say about Mom's intuituion...it is

usually right on track....

The heck with the cost and your husband, get the heck away from that

doctor ASAP!! Deal with hubby after.

Doctors are only needed when you are sick, right? You have a few

options there...only go in an emergency or drop your insurance to

read only " an emergency " .

Your husband has to understand that this is a " real threat " not make-

believe. These people hopefully will pay for their crimes, but if

your husband has any doubts, have him email me please. Also, have

him visit my personal webpage too..

http://vaccinesexposed.blogspot.com/

Any questions, please don't ever hesitate to drop me a line. I

return emails pretty quickly.

Dawn

>

> I need some advise. A little background:

> My DS is three and has never been vax'd. We made a wrong choice in

> doctors originally, and it had nothing to do with vaccines. When our

> DS was two months old we switched to a new doctor who I thought was

> going to be great, for a lot of reasons but the first one was that

she

> didn't " over " medicate. I was WRONG. My problem is that before I was

> educated enough, I signed the AAP vax refusal form. I should also

say

> that I live in an extremely conservative town, and there are NO

> doctors that are non-vax friendly. And my husband, well, he gets on

my

> NERVES!!! He doesn't agree with me on vaccines but he does not

fight me.

>

> This is my problem:

> I have increasingly become nervous of our current pediatrician. I

> worry that she will turn us in if my son were to come down with a

> " vaccine preventable disease " . I fear that instead of helping us

> through a difficult time with a disease that she will make it harder

> on us. And my number one fear of course is that she would try to

have

> our DS taken away from us. My husband thinks I am crazy and that it

> would never come to that. He thinks I am nuts to even worry about

it.

> He thinks we should just find a doctor in our insurance network that

> would not make us sign the form. I am confident there are none but

> will be making sure of that tomorrow when I call every single one of

> them (there's only about twenty). This has been going around in my

> head for about two years and since DS rarely has to go to the

doctor,

> it kind of gets pushed to the back of my mind. But of course reading

> these posts and others, my fear grows. Recently I HAVE found a

doctor

> outside of town that does not do vaccines!!!! This is extremely

> exciting for me. The downfall is that she is not in our network. I,

of

> course, would not bat an eye to pay out of pocket to go to her. How

it

> would be great to have peace of mind that you have a doctor that

> agrees with you and is there to help you through anything that may

> happen. I would pay all the money I had to get that. But the problem

> is, I just cannot afford it on my own. And my " darling " husband will

> not do it. Sorry this is so long, and may not be very clear. What I

> want/need is to know if my fear that my current doctor would take my

> son from me is warranted. Any suggestions to help me make my husband

> understand how bad it is to have signed the AAP vaccine refusal

form?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Charlotte. It's difficult to say if there's a real threat that the ped would

ever turn you in. That would depend on the doc. I suppose it's possible. You can

do a couple of things.

One, you can tell your doc that you are not happy about having signed the form

and you want it back and to redo it.

Two, you can ask the local docs if they require the form, which they probably do

and I doubt they'd admit otherwise on the phone. Better to ask their views (and

their partners) on non-vaxing, and do it in person. And don't forget to check

out family docs, not just peds.

OR go with the ped who you already know is non-vax friendly. Can't help you with

the finances. That's something you'll have to work out in your marriage about

who has the right to the money.

One more thing to think about. Are naturopaths covered under your insurance?

Many insurance companies do (although usually not the meds).You could use them

for checkups, and in case of a serious illness that you wanted traditional meds

for, you can go to the ER and any records would be sent to the naturopath as the

doctor of record rather than the ped.

Winnie

AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Vaccinations

> I need some advise. A little background:

> My DS is three and has never been vax'd. We made a wrong choice in

> doctors originally, and it had nothing to do with vaccines. When our

> DS was two months old we switched to a new doctor who I thought was

> going to be great, for a lot of reasons but the first one was

> that she

> didn't " over " medicate. I was WRONG. My problem is that before I was

> educated enough, I signed the AAP vax refusal form. I should

> also say

> that I live in an extremely conservative town, and there are NO

> doctors that are non-vax friendly. And my husband, well, he gets

> on my

> NERVES!!! He doesn't agree with me on vaccines but he does not

> fight me.

>

> This is my problem:

> I have increasingly become nervous of our current pediatrician. I

> worry that she will turn us in if my son were to come down with a

> " vaccine preventable disease " . I fear that instead of helping us

> through a difficult time with a disease that she will make it harder

> on us. And my number one fear of course is that she would try to have

> our DS taken away from us. My husband thinks I am crazy and that it

> would never come to that. He thinks I am nuts to even worry

> about it.

> He thinks we should just find a doctor in our insurance network that

> would not make us sign the form. I am confident there are none but

> will be making sure of that tomorrow when I call every single

> one of

> them (there's only about twenty). This has been going around in my

> head for about two years and since DS rarely has to go to the doctor,

> it kind of gets pushed to the back of my mind. But of course reading

> these posts and others, my fear grows. Recently I HAVE found a doctor

> outside of town that does not do vaccines!!!! This is extremely

> exciting for me. The downfall is that she is not in our network.

> I, of

> course, would not bat an eye to pay out of pocket to go to her.

> How it

> would be great to have peace of mind that you have a doctor that

> agrees with you and is there to help you through anything that may

> happen. I would pay all the money I had to get that. But the problem

> is, I just cannot afford it on my own. And my " darling " husband will

> not do it. Sorry this is so long, and may not be very clear.

> What I

> want/need is to know if my fear that my current doctor would

> take my

> son from me is warranted. Any suggestions to help me make my husband

> understand how bad it is to have signed the AAP vaccine refusal

> form?

>

>

[Guest guest]

FEAR, False Expectations About Reality, who said that, I forgot. I

believe in the Law of Attraction somehow, and that term we studied in

psychology, self-fulfilling prophecies. I believe that your daughter

is healthy because you did not vax. I believe that you have good

nutrition because you research and read, and you will learn how to

treat your daughter in an event she gets one of those " preventable

diseases. " If you care for your daughter appropriately, which you

already do, because you did not vax her, and she comes across someone

infected, she will do just fine, because she has proper nutrition,

and she has a wonderful mom that cares for her. Don't sit there, and

worry about a fear. In the end, you will have the respect of that

doctor that believes in vaxing. Do what you can to give you peace of

mind, but don't worry about something that has not happened.

Marieliz

>

> I need some advise. A little background:

> My DS is three and has never been vax'd. We made a wrong choice in

> doctors originally, and it had nothing to do with vaccines. When our

> DS was two months old we switched to a new doctor who I thought was

> going to be great, for a lot of reasons but the first one was that

she

> didn't " over " medicate. I was WRONG. My problem is that before I was

> educated enough, I signed the AAP vax refusal form. I should also

say

> that I live in an extremely conservative town, and there are NO

> doctors that are non-vax friendly. And my husband, well, he gets on

my

> NERVES!!! He doesn't agree with me on vaccines but he does not

fight me.

>

> This is my problem:

> I have increasingly become nervous of our current pediatrician. I

> worry that she will turn us in if my son were to come down with a

> " vaccine preventable disease " . I fear that instead of helping us

> through a difficult time with a disease that she will make it harder

> on us. And my number one fear of course is that she would try to

have

> our DS taken away from us. My husband thinks I am crazy and that it

> would never come to that. He thinks I am nuts to even worry about

it.

> He thinks we should just find a doctor in our insurance network that

> would not make us sign the form. I am confident there are none but

> will be making sure of that tomorrow when I call every single one of

> them (there's only about twenty). This has been going around in my

> head for about two years and since DS rarely has to go to the

doctor,

> it kind of gets pushed to the back of my mind. But of course reading

> these posts and others, my fear grows. Recently I HAVE found a

doctor

> outside of town that does not do vaccines!!!! This is extremely

> exciting for me. The downfall is that she is not in our network. I,

of

> course, would not bat an eye to pay out of pocket to go to her. How

it

> would be great to have peace of mind that you have a doctor that

> agrees with you and is there to help you through anything that may

> happen. I would pay all the money I had to get that. But the problem

> is, I just cannot afford it on my own. And my " darling " husband will

> not do it. Sorry this is so long, and may not be very clear. What I

> want/need is to know if my fear that my current doctor would take my

> son from me is warranted. Any suggestions to help me make my husband

> understand how bad it is to have signed the AAP vaccine refusal

form?

>

[Guest guest]

I went to a ped a while back and unfortunately signed the form one

time (haven't been back in over 2yrs so I let it go). I contacted

someone from maybe Vaccination Liberation or somewhere?? because I

had seen some info on their site. Their return email said I could go

to my dr's office and simply ask to view my dd's chart. For example,

go in and tell them you're interested in seeing what med was

prescribed for x, or his height and weight at each visit, or whatever

you can think of. Go throught the file, look for the form, take it

out and either put in it your purse or rip it up right there. If you

want, you can replace it with your own refusal form. There are sample

refusal forms that you can use. Here's one I found

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm Or here's a very in depth

one http://www.vaclib.org/legal/refuselt.htm

Another suggestion is to find a family dr. instead of a pediatrician.

They're much more lenient on vax's. Or if you change peds (I agree

with everyone to change, just remove the form from his file prior to

doing so) you can use the aformentioned refusal forms if one is

required at the new ped.

Hope this helps!

>

> I need some advise. A little background:

> My DS is three and has never been vax'd. We made a wrong choice in

> doctors originally, and it had nothing to do with vaccines. When our

> DS was two months old we switched to a new doctor who I thought was

> going to be great, for a lot of reasons but the first one was that

she

> didn't " over " medicate. I was WRONG. My problem is that before I was

> educated enough, I signed the AAP vax refusal form. I should also

say

> that I live in an extremely conservative town, and there are NO

> doctors that are non-vax friendly. And my husband, well, he gets on

my

> NERVES!!! He doesn't agree with me on vaccines but he does not

fight me.

>

> This is my problem:

> I have increasingly become nervous of our current pediatrician. I

> worry that she will turn us in if my son were to come down with a

> " vaccine preventable disease " . I fear that instead of helping us

> through a difficult time with a disease that she will make it harder

> on us. And my number one fear of course is that she would try to

have

> our DS taken away from us. My husband thinks I am crazy and that it

> would never come to that. He thinks I am nuts to even worry about

it.

> He thinks we should just find a doctor in our insurance network that

> would not make us sign the form. I am confident there are none but

> will be making sure of that tomorrow when I call every single one of

> them (there's only about twenty). This has been going around in my

> head for about two years and since DS rarely has to go to the

doctor,

> it kind of gets pushed to the back of my mind. But of course reading

> these posts and others, my fear grows. Recently I HAVE found a

doctor

> outside of town that does not do vaccines!!!! This is extremely

> exciting for me. The downfall is that she is not in our network. I,

of

> course, would not bat an eye to pay out of pocket to go to her. How

it

> would be great to have peace of mind that you have a doctor that

> agrees with you and is there to help you through anything that may

> happen. I would pay all the money I had to get that. But the problem

> is, I just cannot afford it on my own. And my " darling " husband will

> not do it. Sorry this is so long, and may not be very clear. What I

> want/need is to know if my fear that my current doctor would take my

> son from me is warranted. Any suggestions to help me make my husband

> understand how bad it is to have signed the AAP vaccine refusal

form?

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

>

,

You wrote: " just remove the form from his file prior to

doing so "

Why would I need to do that if I were to switch doctors???

--

Peace,

Charlotte

[Guest guest]

ONE OF THESE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FEAR AND SHE/ HE WAS RIGHT. THE BIBLE

HAS A VERSE AND I KNOW I WILL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT YOU

FEAR COMING UPON YOU. SO THE MESSAGE IS NOT THAT IT WILL HAPPEN BUT NOT TO

FEAR. GOD SAYS FEAR IS NOT FROM HIM. REBUKE THE DEVIL. LOVE, MAMA

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Charlotte Hutchins <

charlottehutchins8@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ,

> You wrote: " just remove the form from his file prior to

> doing so "

>

> Why would I need to do that if I were to switch doctors???

>

> --

> Peace,

> Charlotte

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gee, I consider myself to be fairly assertive in these matters, but can't

imagine taking something out of my child's file or replacing it without the

doc's knowledge. That's just plain sneaky.

I would not advocate doing that at all. You need to maintain a relationship of

trust with your doctor. If you can't talk to them about a piece of paper, you

can't talk to them about health care treatments.

Winnie

Re: AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Vaccinations

> I went to a ped a while back and unfortunately signed the form

> one

> time (haven't been back in over 2yrs so I let it go). I

> contacted

> someone from maybe Vaccination Liberation or somewhere?? because

> I

> had seen some info on their site. Their return email said I

> could go

> to my dr's office and simply ask to view my dd's chart. For

> example,

> go in and tell them you're interested in seeing what med was

> prescribed for x, or his height and weight at each visit, or

> whatever

> you can think of. Go throught the file, look for the form, take

> it

> out and either put in it your purse or rip it up right there. If

> you

> want, you can replace it with your own refusal form. There are

> sample

> refusal forms that you can use. Here's one I found

> http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm Or here's a very in

> depth

> one http://www.vaclib.org/legal/refuselt.htm

>

> Another suggestion is to find a family dr. instead of a

> pediatrician.

> They're much more lenient on vax's. Or if you change peds (I

> agree

> with everyone to change, just remove the form from his file

> prior to

> doing so) you can use the aformentioned refusal forms if one is

> required at the new ped.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

>

>

> >

> > I need some advise. A little background:

> > My DS is three and has never been vax'd. We made a wrong

> choice in

> > doctors originally, and it had nothing to do with vaccines.

> When our

> > DS was two months old we switched to a new doctor who I

> thought was

> > going to be great, for a lot of reasons but the first one was

> that

> she

> > didn't " over " medicate. I was WRONG. My problem is that before

> I was

> > educated enough, I signed the AAP vax refusal form. I should

> also

> say

> > that I live in an extremely conservative town, and there are NO

> > doctors that are non-vax friendly. And my husband, well, he

> gets on

> my

> > NERVES!!! He doesn't agree with me on vaccines but he does not

> fight me.

> >

> > This is my problem:

> > I have increasingly become nervous of our current

> pediatrician. I

> > worry that she will turn us in if my son were to come down

> with a

> > " vaccine preventable disease " . I fear that instead of helping us

> > through a difficult time with a disease that she will make it harder

> > on us. And my number one fear of course is that she would try

> to

> have

> > our DS taken away from us. My husband thinks I am crazy and

> that it

> > would never come to that. He thinks I am nuts to even worry

> about

> it.

> > He thinks we should just find a doctor in our insurance

> network that

> > would not make us sign the form. I am confident there are none but

> > will be making sure of that tomorrow when I call every single

> one of

> > them (there's only about twenty). This has been going around

> in my

> > head for about two years and since DS rarely has to go to the

> doctor,

> > it kind of gets pushed to the back of my mind. But of course reading

> > these posts and others, my fear grows. Recently I HAVE found a

> doctor

> > outside of town that does not do vaccines!!!! This is extremely

> > exciting for me. The downfall is that she is not in our

> network. I,

> of

> > course, would not bat an eye to pay out of pocket to go to

> her. How

> it

> > would be great to have peace of mind that you have a doctor that

> > agrees with you and is there to help you through anything that may

> > happen. I would pay all the money I had to get that. But the problem

> > is, I just cannot afford it on my own. And my " darling "

> husband will

> > not do it. Sorry this is so long, and may not be very clear.

> What I

> > want/need is to know if my fear that my current doctor would

> take my

> > son from me is warranted. Any suggestions to help me make my husband

> > understand how bad it is to have signed the AAP vaccine

> refusal

> form?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ONE OF THESE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FEAR AND SHE/ HE WAS RIGHT. THE

BIBLE

> HAS A VERSE AND I KNOW I WILL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP THAT TALKS ABOUT

WHAT YOU

> FEAR COMING UPON YOU. SO THE MESSAGE IS NOT THAT IT WILL HAPPEN BUT

NOT TO

> FEAR. GOD SAYS FEAR IS NOT FROM HIM. REBUKE THE DEVIL. LOVE,

MAMA

>

> *we have not been given a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love

and a sound mind.

[Guest guest]

> Gee, I consider myself to be fairly assertive in these matters, but

can't imagine taking something out of my child's file or replacing it

without the doc's knowledge. That's just plain sneaky.

I agree. How about making up a new form and then taking it to the

doctor? Then you can tell him this is new and supercedes the previous

form. Even if he doesn't destroy the first form, which he should, and

both forms remain, won't the second supercede the first because of the

date? The ped should just agree to exchange the forms with you and you

can destroy the old one.

Magda

[Guest guest]

Actually, your medical files are your own, are they not? If I switch

doctors, for example, I ask to have MY file sent to the new doctor: the

old one does not get to keep it just because they made it. You have a

right to update your own information, regardless of who happens to have

physical possession. Simply TELL the doctor (Iam not saying be

aggressive, just keep in mind you are asking for something that by law

belongs to you) you need to update your file with your new form. Place

on the form the note that this form supersedes any other form of this kind.

Maeghan

Magda Velecky wrote:

>

> > Gee, I consider myself to be fairly assertive in these matters, but

> can't imagine taking something out of my child's file or replacing it

> without the doc's knowledge. That's just plain sneaky.

>

> I agree. How about making up a new form and then taking it to the

> doctor? Then you can tell him this is new and supercedes the previous

> form. Even if he doesn't destroy the first form, which he should, and

> both forms remain, won't the second supercede the first because of the

> date? The ped should just agree to exchange the forms with you and you

> can destroy the old one.

> Magda

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doctors have to keep a file on your child for a certain amount of time to cover

their own backside even if you leave their practice.

le

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Re: Re: AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Actually, your medical files are your own, are they not? If I switch

doctors, for example, I ask to have MY file sent to the new doctor: the

old one does not get to keep it just because they made it. You have a

right to update your own information, regardless of who happens to have

physical possession. Simply TELL the doctor (Iam not saying be

aggressive, just keep in mind you are asking for something that by law

belongs to you) you need to update your file with your new form. Place

on the form the note that this form supersedes any other form of this kind.

Maeghan

Magda Velecky wrote:

>

> > Gee, I consider myself to be fairly assertive in these matters, but

> can't imagine taking something out of my child's file or replacing it

> without the doc's knowledge. That's just plain sneaky.

>

> I agree. How about making up a new form and then taking it to the

> doctor? Then you can tell him this is new and supercedes the previous

> form. Even if he doesn't destroy the first form, which he should, and

> both forms remain, won't the second supercede the first because of the

> date? The ped should just agree to exchange the forms with you and you

> can destroy the old one.

> Magda

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. How about making up a new form and then taking it to the

doctor? Then you can tell him this is new and supercedes the previous

form. Even if he doesn't destroy the first form, which he should, and

both forms remain, won't the second supercede the first because of the

date? The ped should just agree to exchange the forms with you and you

can destroy the old one.

Magda

The current practice will ONLY allow the AAP form, and if you refuse to sign

that one then they refuse to have you as a patient.

A little update: (and a little bit of venting too)

I called every single pedi in our network in our town and the surrounding

area, and -big shocker- none of them will see my DS with out that specific

form. About half would not see him at all regardless of any form. So I asked

my DH and he said he wanted to take our DS to our current family care DO

since he is in our network and would see my son, and does not make me sign

the AAP form. BUT he has horrible personal problems that affect his work, he

is late or sick all the time, his office workers are horrible, always

messing up the appointments. But even worse than that, he has messed up

prescriptions constantly for my mother, and friends and other people that I

know. This is not someone that I would trust my son to go to. He is one of

the only DO's in our town that is why we go to him. Anyway, I would rather

just not go to any doctor at all than him. So what I am going to have to do

is work on saving up enough money on my own and take him to my doctor of

choice against my husbands wishes. My husband will not read any info I give

him. So I can't just tell him, " hey read what this website says about that

AAP form " cause he just wont read it. He would rather blindly trust anyone

than listen to me and all of the research I do. Bah!!!

[Guest guest]

I don't think I'd go to that awful doc, either. What state are you in?

Winnie

Re: Re: AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Vaccinations

> I agree. How about making up a new form and then taking it to the

> doctor? Then you can tell him this is new and supercedes the previous

> form. Even if he doesn't destroy the first form, which he

> should, and

> both forms remain, won't the second supercede the first because

> of the

> date? The ped should just agree to exchange the forms with you

> and you

> can destroy the old one.

> Magda

>

> The current practice will ONLY allow the AAP form, and if you

> refuse to sign

> that one then they refuse to have you as a patient.

>

> A little update: (and a little bit of venting too)

> I called every single pedi in our network in our town and the

> surroundingarea, and -big shocker- none of them will see my DS

> with out that specific

> form. About half would not see him at all regardless of any

> form. So I asked

> my DH and he said he wanted to take our DS to our current family

> care DO

> since he is in our network and would see my son, and does not

> make me sign

> the AAP form. BUT he has horrible personal problems that affect

> his work, he

> is late or sick all the time, his office workers are horrible, always

> messing up the appointments. But even worse than that, he has

> messed up

> prescriptions constantly for my mother, and friends and other

> people that I

> know. This is not someone that I would trust my son to go to. He

> is one of

> the only DO's in our town that is why we go to him. Anyway, I

> would rather

> just not go to any doctor at all than him. So what I am going to

> have to do

> is work on saving up enough money on my own and take him to my

> doctor of

> choice against my husbands wishes. My husband will not read any

> info I give

> him. So I can't just tell him, " hey read what this website says

> about that

> AAP form " cause he just wont read it. He would rather blindly

> trust anyone

> than listen to me and all of the research I do. Bah!!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What state are you in?

Winnie

Florida

[Guest guest]

I finally found the email I had received regarding this. Here's the

contact information.

Ingri Cassel, director

Vaccination Liberation

P.O. Box 457

Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869

(208) 255-2307 / (888) 249-1421

vaclib@...

www.VaccineTruth.com

www.VacLib.org

She may take a bit to get back to you, but I know she'll be happy to

help you. She gave me a couple of examples of others removing forms,

including ones in school files. You do not need to be sneaky about

this. Simply tell them you want to review your son's file. You'll be

sitting in the waiting room or at the front desk anyhow. (Though I

would not walk in and say I want to swap out papers; I'm sure you'll

get a lot of resistance.) As I mentioned, we only went to that ped a

couple of times, so I left it since we never went back. (I personally

wouldn't go throught the trouble of adding the new form without

actually seeing the original destroyed or voided out in some way. Or

maybe have an employee sign the new form stating the void of the

original and attain a copy for yourself as proof of adding it to the

file??) I don't think you need to do anything if you do change dr's.

I'm just trying to find ways to help give you a piece of mind. I went

through this (panic) and know exactly how you feel and it is

unfortunate that those who are suppose to look out for us and our

children's best interests actually make us second guess ourselves or

make us feel very intimidated.

There are no family MD's in your area in your insurance plan? Check

with the insurance company; they should have a precertification??

department or something where, if there is no dr of your choice (i.e.

holistic, family MD, etc.) within a certain distance and you do

normally have converage for this, you can request an out of network

provider be accepted with in network benefits. If you are still

running into walls, it might not hurt to present your case to them

and ask if they have any suggestions. Or you can always request the

dr you'd like to see become a provider in your network. Does all of

this make sense? I'm sorry for such a long note. If your son is

healthy and there's really no reason to take him in, relax and take

your time with this. Everything will work out in the end.

>

> I agree. How about making up a new form and then taking it to the

> doctor? Then you can tell him this is new and supercedes the

previous

> form. Even if he doesn't destroy the first form, which he should,

and

> both forms remain, won't the second supercede the first because of

the

> date? The ped should just agree to exchange the forms with you and

you

> can destroy the old one.

> Magda

>

> The current practice will ONLY allow the AAP form, and if you

refuse to sign

> that one then they refuse to have you as a patient.

>

> A little update: (and a little bit of venting too)

> I called every single pedi in our network in our town and the

surrounding

> area, and -big shocker- none of them will see my DS with out that

specific

> form. About half would not see him at all regardless of any form.

So I asked

> my DH and he said he wanted to take our DS to our current family

care DO

> since he is in our network and would see my son, and does not make

me sign

> the AAP form. BUT he has horrible personal problems that affect his

work, he

> is late or sick all the time, his office workers are horrible,

always

> messing up the appointments. But even worse than that, he has

messed up

> prescriptions constantly for my mother, and friends and other

people that I

> know. This is not someone that I would trust my son to go to. He is

one of

> the only DO's in our town that is why we go to him. Anyway, I would

rather

> just not go to any doctor at all than him. So what I am going to

have to do

> is work on saving up enough money on my own and take him to my

doctor of

> choice against my husbands wishes. My husband will not read any

info I give

> him. So I can't just tell him, " hey read what this website says

about that

> AAP form " cause he just wont read it. He would rather blindly trust

anyone

> than listen to me and all of the research I do. Bah!!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lucky you. Okay, so depending on what you want from a doctor, you have some

choices. Florida doesn't license naturopaths so when your child goes to school,

you are going to need an MD/DO to sign the health form.

If you use traditional meds, make sure you are comfortable with your ped, even

if it means paying out of pocket.

If you want to use alternative meds, have the in-network ped just for yearly

checkups and to sign the health form (for about $20 co-pay) but find a

naturopath: www.naturopathic.org to treat your child for illnesses. This way you

also have a traditional ped in case you do want antibiotics.

I personally would pay out of pocket for a naturopath over a ped. Goodl luck to

you! Let us know how it works out.

Winnie

Re: Re: AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Vaccinations

> What state are you in?

>

> Winnie

>

>

>

> Florida

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We just took our daughter to a new pediatrician and he also insisted

that we sign the AAP form. I even told the nurse that I wanted to take

it and have it looked over by a lawyer first but the doctor came in

and then started in on how he could be sued if he didn't have proof

that we were informed yadda yadda. I talked with him at length about

it and only agreed to sign it if I could write my own statement on the

form which he did allow. I stated that my daughter had had an adverse

reaction to previous doses of vax and that we were researching

vaccination and found conflicts so we are claiming religious and

philosophical exemption and that we would continue to educate

ourselves on the issue and reserved the right to choose to vax in

future if the conflicts had been resolved. Something to that effect.

So we get our say in there.

Two things about it were that I was handed quite a few papers and then

asked to sign the form even though the first line of the form states

that you have read all the papers. I even told the nurse and doc it'd

be a lie since I hadn't READ the papers they handed me yet. Also, the

nurse said she's witness the signing but she wasn't in the room when

we signed. Only the doctor. My husband pointed it out that the doc

should sign the witness part and he said that the nurse would do it.

That's illegal, isn't it? She wasn't in the room and didn't witness

anything.

Sometimes doctors just have you by the nuts.

The doc had also tried to scare us by saying that he worked in the ER

and saw terrible things happen to kids and how many dangers are out

there etc. I explained that I felt I couldn't sign a paper to have the

vax's and be responsible for any adverse reactions and then he said,

" If she gets meningitis, whose fault will it be? " implying that it

would be my fault. I don't see directly injecting a child with known

toxins the same as a child accidentally contracting a disease.

I am still miffed about having to sign anything. I know he's covering

his ass but I am looking out for my family. It just proves to me that

it's all about money.

And AGAIN, he downplayed the whole thing about my daughter becoming

very pale after her vax's. I keep asking, why is " paleness " listed as

an adverse reaction (NOT a side effect) if it doesn't matter? They

never have an answer, they just say oh it was probably nothing.

Jerica

[Guest guest]

Oh, boy. I think you put way too much info on that statement. If you use a

religious exemption now, there is something in writing stating other reasons at

the doc's office. I don't know how this form could ever get to the schools but

who knows?

So, here's a question

This doctor browbeat you into signing something against your will, lied about

witnessing your signing, and threatened you should your child ever get

meningitis. Are you seriously going to pay him to treat your children ever

again?

Winnie

Re: AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Vaccinations

> We just took our daughter to a new pediatrician and he also insisted

> that we sign the AAP form. I even told the nurse that I wanted

> to take

> it and have it looked over by a lawyer first but the doctor came in

> and then started in on how he could be sued if he didn't have proof

> that we were informed yadda yadda. I talked with him at length about

> it and only agreed to sign it if I could write my own statement

> on the

> form which he did allow. I stated that my daughter had had an adverse

> reaction to previous doses of vax and that we were researching

> vaccination and found conflicts so we are claiming religious and

> philosophical exemption and that we would continue to educate

> ourselves on the issue and reserved the right to choose to vax in

> future if the conflicts had been resolved. Something to that effect.

> So we get our say in there.

>

> Two things about it were that I was handed quite a few papers

> and then

> asked to sign the form even though the first line of the form states

> that you have read all the papers. I even told the nurse and doc it'd

> be a lie since I hadn't READ the papers they handed me yet.

> Also, the

> nurse said she's witness the signing but she wasn't in the room when

> we signed. Only the doctor. My husband pointed it out that the doc

> should sign the witness part and he said that the nurse would do it.

> That's illegal, isn't it? She wasn't in the room and didn't witness

> anything.

>

> Sometimes doctors just have you by the nuts.

>

> The doc had also tried to scare us by saying that he worked in

> the ER

> and saw terrible things happen to kids and how many dangers are out

> there etc. I explained that I felt I couldn't sign a paper to

> have the

> vax's and be responsible for any adverse reactions and then he said,

> " If she gets meningitis, whose fault will it be? " implying that it

> would be my fault. I don't see directly injecting a child with known

> toxins the same as a child accidentally contracting a disease.

>

> I am still miffed about having to sign anything. I know he's covering

> his ass but I am looking out for my family. It just proves to me that

> it's all about money.

>

> And AGAIN, he downplayed the whole thing about my daughter becoming

> very pale after her vax's. I keep asking, why is " paleness "

> listed as

> an adverse reaction (NOT a side effect) if it doesn't matter? They

> never have an answer, they just say oh it was probably nothing.

>

> Jerica

>

[Guest guest]

Good for you, that you stood up to them!

My child's pedi opened about not vaccinating and he didn't ask me to

sign any form neither did the PA. So, if it was about getting sued

why didn't they ask me to sign a form?

We have to be very careful about what we say about using

exemptions..yhey are cracking down on the exemptions partially

because parents are admitting that they are using the religious

exemption to get out of vaccinating their children.

It is unfortunate that we need to protect our children against the

very people who are supposed to protect them!! It's crazy!!

correy

On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:5O6 PM, Jerica Lily wrote:

> We just took our daughter to a new pediatrician and he also insisted

> that we sign the AAP form. I even told the nurse that I wanted to take

> it and have it looked over by a lawyer first but the doctor came in

> and then started in on how he could be sued if he didn't have proof

> that we were informed yadda yadda. I talked with him at length about

> it and only agreed to sign it if I could write my own statement on the

> form which he did allow. I stated that my daughter had had an adverse

> reaction to previous doses of vax and that we were researching

> vaccination and found conflicts so we are claiming religious and

> philosophical exemption and that we would continue to educate

> ourselves on the issue and reserved the right to choose to vax in

> future if the conflicts had been resolved. Something to that effect.

> So we get our say in there.

>

> Two things about it were that I was handed quite a few papers and then

> asked to sign the form even though the first line of the form states

> that you have read all the papers. I even told the nurse and doc it'd

> be a lie since I hadn't READ the papers they handed me yet. Also, the

> nurse said she's witness the signing but she wasn't in the room when

> we signed. Only the doctor. My husband pointed it out that the doc

> should sign the witness part and he said that the nurse would do it.

> That's illegal, isn't it? She wasn't in the room and didn't witness

> anything.

>

> Sometimes doctors just have you by the nuts.

>

> The doc had also tried to scare us by saying that he worked in the ER

> and saw terrible things happen to kids and how many dangers are out

> there etc. I explained that I felt I couldn't sign a paper to have the

> vax's and be responsible for any adverse reactions and then he said,

> " If she gets meningitis, whose fault will it be? " implying that it

> would be my fault. I don't see directly injecting a child with known

> toxins the same as a child accidentally contracting a disease.

>

> I am still miffed about having to sign anything. I know he's covering

> his ass but I am looking out for my family. It just proves to me that

> it's all about money.

>

> And AGAIN, he downplayed the whole thing about my daughter becoming

> very pale after her vax's. I keep asking, why is " paleness " listed as

> an adverse reaction (NOT a side effect) if it doesn't matter? They

> never have an answer, they just say oh it was probably nothing.

>

> Jerica

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking of writing a letter to be put in the file which states

that we signed under duress or something. I was basically denied a

right to have a lawyer look over the form before signing it; isn't

that wrong somehow? I am getting more and more fed up with everyone

everywhere because I am being pushed into doing things I don't want

to. (Sadly I am a product of my mother who has guilt-mongered me for

years so I tend to cave in when pushed.)

I have so many objections to the vax's -- one being the adverse

effect, on ebeing my views on abortion and contamination of blood

whcih are religious, and then my husband who is agnostic holds

philosophical views on it. So we are conflicted in many ways,

truthfully.

I am not sure why no one will respect me in any direction. I tend to

start getting quite furious when pushed into doing stuff I don't want

to. They just keep reassuring you that the form won't be used against

you, but I'm livid right now with it all.

Any ideas on remedies? Should I write a letter or go over there? They

didn't even give me a copy of the form, either. WHen I left it was NOT

witnessed. I really want to see that form and see if the nurse signed

it because it's null and void if she did because she wasn't in the

room. The doc really should be worried about THAT.

Not sure what to do or where to go now. And BTW, isn't giving your

child a vax that says in its insert that it can cause DEATH be putting

your kid at risk?? Why do they not SEE that?

J.

[Guest guest]

I just spoke with the husband about the issue and though he's against

vaxing right now, he also thinks there's nothing wrong with the AAP

form and that I'm " paranoid " and see " threats everywhere. "

Nice.

I don't know why I even bother.

Jerica

[Guest guest]

I'm with you on this one girl cause my husband thinks I am CRAAAAZY!!!

How much research has he done on his own??? ZERO!

I still don't know what else to do with the AAP form I signed but to change

doctors.

Good luck!!!

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Jerica Lily <jericalily@...> wrote:

> I just spoke with the husband about the issue and though he's against

> vaxing right now, he also thinks there's nothing wrong with the AAP

> form and that I'm " paranoid " and see " threats everywhere. "

>

> Nice.

>

> I don't know why I even bother.

>

> Jerica

>

>

--

Peace,

Charlotte

[Guest guest]

You are quite right to be thoroughly annoyed. You are being a caring, cautious

parent. But if you think taking back or replacing the form is going to make a

difference--assuming they let you--I think you are going to be very

disappointed.

There's a saying: " When you go to a butcher they sell you meat. " When you go to

a ped, they sell you vaccines. If you don't want them, then don't go to a ped.

It's really very simple.

And in your case, it's not even a matter of why are they pushing the vaccines. I

think it's obvious why. They either believe in them or they want to make money

off of them. But your doc was so arrogant I can't imagine why you would even

bother going back. You deserve better. You're the boss. Hire someone else.

That's the remedy I suggest.

Winnie

Re: AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Vaccinations

> I'm thinking of writing a letter to be put in the file which states

> that we signed under duress or something. I was basically denied a

> right to have a lawyer look over the form before signing it; isn't

> that wrong somehow? I am getting more and more fed up with everyone

> everywhere because I am being pushed into doing things I don't want

> to. (Sadly I am a product of my mother who has guilt-mongered me for

> years so I tend to cave in when pushed.)

>

> I have so many objections to the vax's -- one being the adverse

> effect, on ebeing my views on abortion and contamination of blood

> whcih are religious, and then my husband who is agnostic holds

> philosophical views on it. So we are conflicted in many ways,

> truthfully.

>

> I am not sure why no one will respect me in any direction. I

> tend to

> start getting quite furious when pushed into doing stuff I don't want

> to. They just keep reassuring you that the form won't be used against

> you, but I'm livid right now with it all.

>

> Any ideas on remedies? Should I write a letter or go over there? They

> didn't even give me a copy of the form, either. WHen I left it

> was NOT

> witnessed. I really want to see that form and see if the nurse signed

> it because it's null and void if she did because she wasn't in the

> room. The doc really should be worried about THAT.

>

> Not sure what to do or where to go now. And BTW, isn't giving your

> child a vax that says in its insert that it can cause DEATH be putting

> your kid at risk?? Why do they not SEE that?

>

> J.

>

[Guest guest]

You're not. There are.

Winnie

Re: AAP vaccination refusal form problem

Vaccinations

> I just spoke with the husband about the issue and though he's against

> vaxing right now, he also thinks there's nothing wrong with the AAP

> form and that I'm " paranoid " and see " threats everywhere. "

>

> Nice.

>

> I don't know why I even bother.

>

> Jerica

>