Re: Re: Dreaded call from school nurse :-(

[Guest guest]

From: Arlynn Liebster <abfab@...>

Subject: Re: Dreaded call from school nurse :-(

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:26 PM

In NY there have been several court cases proving that it is our

PERSONAL religious beliefs against vaccinating and that we do not have

to belong to a church against vaccines to have our religious

exemption. We have several basic reasons:

Defilement of flesh and the temple of the holy spirit (our bodies).

(1Corinthians)

Using aborted human fetuses for vaccine. (You must not murder)

Using animals for vaccine and injecting those cells into the body,

thus defiling and mixing the species (forbidden in Leviticus).

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I was under the impression that if you're trying to get an exemption in NY, you

should not mention ingredients at all. They allow for being against the practice

of immunizing, but not for what goes into it, because that's specific to each

vaccine. That's my memory of trying to learn the ropes in this crazy state.

Bronwyn

[Guest guest]

If you have the religious defintion in there, it comes down to, if you wanted

to, wordship a tree, it is none of their business. I had the same problem, the

superintendent asked what my religion was, I asked to know all the religions of

the teachers in the school was. No comment, I said according to the definition

in my letter, it can be anything I see fit as religion, in the end he asked what

should he call my religion, I said, " the Religion " he said fine thank you.

lol Both my boys have been in school no problems since and he told me other

families were approaching him about no shots too, so started something, I was

first, but more followed.

Western NY

Re: Dreaded call from school nurse :-(

NY schools are absolutely allowed to determine what the specific

religious beliefs regarding non-vaxing are. It is in their legal right

to do so and many schools do ask and many schools do not ask. That

being said, whatever it IS that we are religiously against in not

taking vaccines into our bodies MUST be of a religious nature in NY b/

c there is no philosophical exemption yet to cover people with those

types of beliefs against vaxing. As such, people of Jewish faith do

not take pork or shellfish into their bodies, people of Catholic faith

do not abort their fetuses, and I do not inject toxic substances of

any sort AND do not take into my blood stream/holy body any of those

*ingredients* in vaccines. As such I most certainly did state what my

religious beliefs are in our letter to the school principal. Before

that I was interviewed by the school nurse. It was her job to

determine the nature of my beliefs regarding vaccination and if they

sincerely held. Once we had our meeting and she was satisfied, then I

was sent a form to fill out the specific nature of my beliefs and had

to have it notarized and delivered to the Principal, who then reviewed

the document (letter) and determined if it was in compliance with NYS

law. When he had determined it was in compliance, he amazingly and

kindly telephoned me to say he found everything in compliance and had

to fill out paperwork to the State stating such and would issue me a

letter saying that we have a religious exemption from vaccines and may

attend public school in our District. It seems like a lot of work, but

it all went smoothly and everyone in our District that I had to have

dealings with were incredibly polite and kind and stuck to their

lawful roles. I do know of some families in other districts than ours

that had lawyers come on the interviews, but I do think those types of

people perhaps are more skittish when dealing with " Authority " . I

simply knew my rights and simply stated what my religious beliefs ARE,

pure and simple. I also quoted Scripture where these commands to

abstain from defiling the holy temple are located. So, if you have a

Christian religious belief, get out your Bible and start digging up

the scriptures to show them. For sure, how can someone refute the

Bible and that your belief is not of a religious nature? If you aren't

Christian, perhaps in your Holy Books there are similar tenants to

remain pure and holy (usually there are).

[Guest guest]

But she's in Kansas. NY is different.

Winnie

Re: Dreaded call from school nurse :-(

Vaccinations

> NY schools are absolutely allowed to determine what the specific

>

> religious beliefs regarding non-vaxing are. It is in their legal

> right

> to do so and many schools do ask and many schools do not ask.

> That

> being said, whatever it IS that we are religiously against in

> not

> taking vaccines into our bodies MUST be of a religious nature in

> NY b/

> c there is no philosophical exemption yet to cover people with

> those

> types of beliefs against vaxing. As such, people of Jewish faith

> do

> not take pork or shellfish into their bodies, people of Catholic

> faith

> do not abort their fetuses, and I do not inject toxic substances

> of

> any sort AND do not take into my blood stream/holy body any of

> those

> *ingredients* in vaccines. As such I most certainly did state

> what my

> religious beliefs are in our letter to the school principal.

> Before

> that I was interviewed by the school nurse. It was her job to

> determine the nature of my beliefs regarding vaccination and if

> they

> sincerely held. Once we had our meeting and she was satisfied,

> then I

> was sent a form to fill out the specific nature of my beliefs

> and had

> to have it notarized and delivered to the Principal, who then

> reviewed

> the document (letter) and determined if it was in compliance

> with NYS

> law. When he had determined it was in compliance, he amazingly

> and

> kindly telephoned me to say he found everything in compliance

> and had

> to fill out paperwork to the State stating such and would issue

> me a

> letter saying that we have a religious exemption from vaccines

> and may

> attend public school in our District. It seems like a lot of

> work, but

> it all went smoothly and everyone in our District that I had to

> have

> dealings with were incredibly polite and kind and stuck to their

>

> lawful roles. I do know of some families in other districts than

> ours

> that had lawyers come on the interviews, but I do think those

> types of

> people perhaps are more skittish when dealing with " Authority " .

> I

> simply knew my rights and simply stated what my religious

> beliefs ARE,

> pure and simple. I also quoted Scripture where these commands to

>

> abstain from defiling the holy temple are located. So, if you

> have a

> Christian religious belief, get out your Bible and start digging

> up

> the scriptures to show them. For sure, how can someone refute

> the

> Bible and that your belief is not of a religious nature? If you

> aren't

> Christian, perhaps in your Holy Books there are similar tenants

> to

> remain pure and holy (usually there are).

>

[Guest guest]

You trendsetter, you! The Religion--love it.

Winnie

Re: Dreaded call from school nurse :-(

>

>

> NY schools are absolutely allowed to determine what the

> specific

> religious beliefs regarding non-vaxing are. It is in their

> legal right

> to do so and many schools do ask and many schools do not ask.

> That

> being said, whatever it IS that we are religiously against in

> not

> taking vaccines into our bodies MUST be of a religious nature

> in NY b/

> c there is no philosophical exemption yet to cover people with

> those

> types of beliefs against vaxing. As such, people of Jewish

> faith do

> not take pork or shellfish into their bodies, people of

> Catholic faith

> do not abort their fetuses, and I do not inject toxic

> substances of

> any sort AND do not take into my blood stream/holy body any of

> those

> *ingredients* in vaccines. As such I most certainly did state

> what my

> religious beliefs are in our letter to the school principal.

> Before

> that I was interviewed by the school nurse. It was her job to

> determine the nature of my beliefs regarding vaccination and

> if they

> sincerely held. Once we had our meeting and she was satisfied,

> then I

> was sent a form to fill out the specific nature of my beliefs

> and had

> to have it notarized and delivered to the Principal, who then

> reviewed

> the document (letter) and determined if it was in compliance

> with NYS

> law. When he had determined it was in compliance, he amazingly

> and

> kindly telephoned me to say he found everything in compliance

> and had

> to fill out paperwork to the State stating such and would

> issue me a

> letter saying that we have a religious exemption from vaccines

> and may

> attend public school in our District. It seems like a lot of

> work, but

> it all went smoothly and everyone in our District that I had

> to have

> dealings with were incredibly polite and kind and stuck to

> their

> lawful roles. I do know of some families in other districts

> than ours

> that had lawyers come on the interviews, but I do think those

> types of

> people perhaps are more skittish when dealing with

> " Authority " . I

> simply knew my rights and simply stated what my religious

> beliefs ARE,

> pure and simple. I also quoted Scripture where these commands

> to

> abstain from defiling the holy temple are located. So, if you

> have a

> Christian religious belief, get out your Bible and start

> digging up

> the scriptures to show them. For sure, how can someone refute

> the

> Bible and that your belief is not of a religious nature? If

> you aren't

> Christian, perhaps in your Holy Books there are similar

> tenants to

> remain pure and holy (usually there are).

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's great news. Good job! You did say the right thing. If they ever bring it

up again, do the same thing.

Funny though, how did the health department get the records? I'm sure they check

with the schools to see that the paperwork is in order, but they take your

personal info back with them to their office? Does anyone know about that?

Winnie

Dreaded call from school nurse :-(

> > Vaccinations

> >

> > > Well I got a call from my DS school nurse to " call her about

> His

> > > Immunization records. " I didn;t hear my cell ring so she

> left a

> > > message and asked me to cll tomarrow.\

> > >

> > > In KS we have a religous excemption which states " Submit a

> > > written

> > > statement signed by a parent that the parent is an adherent

> of a

> > > religious denomination whose teachings are opposed to

> > > immunizations "

> > >

> > > We signed the vaccination form (KCI) which has a line that

> > > states

> > > that my child has a religous excemption and I signed it.

> > >

> > > We have not been called until this point.

> > >

> > > Our school district has it in its policy that the school

> nurse

> > > can

> > > require a " letter from our clergyman " that states that we

> belong

> > > to a

> > > religon that is aganist immunizations. I know that there had

> > > been

> > > legal action which basically states that atheism can be a

> form a

> > > religion and of course they would not have a clergyman.

> > >

> > > I know I have the information that I need, a copy of the

> state

> > > law,

> > > my letter statein that we are adherant to a religious

> > > denomination..., I have court cases and the federal

> definition

> > > of " religion. "

> > >

> > > I question I am not sure how to answer (and I don't think I

> > > should

> > > answer if asked ) is which church do you attend or any other

> > > question

> > > that is specific about why we chose the religious exception.

> > >

> > > Sorry for rambling....just nervous for tomarrow.

> > >

> > > Thanks for all your support and any advice is greatly

> appriciatied!!

> > > andrea

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >