Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 They have never discontinued it here in the UK, what I think he is talking about is in the 70's there was a scare about the pertusis jab. I had it but still got full blown petusis anyway. In the 70's a boy in ireland was brain damaged by a 'hot lot' and because of this many parents stopped giving it for a while. I know a fair few parents who did not give it and thier kids never caught it. Anyway because of the drop in take up many more doctors started to report whooping cough. They even had a very scary campaign where you rang a phone number for advice and the phone call started and ended with the sound of a child gasping for breath. Nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He tried to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, saying I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). Whatever. My two who caught it are just fine...still coughing, but that will take a few weeks to stop completely. Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial time in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis vaccine briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything about it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. +4 ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Tell the doctor that if those people are vaccinated they're protected. If he thinks that your family alone will cause an epidemic, he is very uneducated in these matters. And he's saying your previous choice not to vax, right? He doesn't expect you to vax now, does he? Winnie Pertussis again, lol Vaccinations > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > tried to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, > saying I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). > Whatever. My two who caught it are just fine...still coughing, > but that will take a few weeks to stop completely. > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial > time in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis > vaccine briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > about it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > +4 > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hi I would tell the doctor that it is the pharma's fault that some people aren't vaccinated . It is not your fault that the vaccines aren't safe! correy On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:16 PM, karen speed wrote: > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He tried > to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, saying > I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). Whatever. My two > who caught it are just fine...still coughing, but that will take a > few weeks to stop completely. > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial time > in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis vaccine > briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything about > it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > +4 > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Great point, Correy! It's not as if we woke up one day and decided to be contrary. It's because they're selling poison and we figured it out. Winnie Re: Pertussis again, lol Vaccinations > Hi > > I would tell the doctor that it is the pharma's fault that some > people aren't vaccinated . It is not your fault that the > vaccines > aren't safe! > > correy > On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:16 PM, karen speed wrote: > > > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > tried > > to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, > saying > > I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). Whatever. My > two > > who caught it are just fine...still coughing, but that will > take a > > few weeks to stop completely. > > > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial > time > > in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis > vaccine > > briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic > > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > about > > it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > > > +4 > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Winnie This is scaring the heck out of me. First, they want to take away our choice to vaccinate. Then if we decide, " well then I'll home- school " , they are trying to give us a hard time with that. My youngest is 13mnths. What is going to happen in her future? What will we do if they take away our exemptions completely and throw us in jail. This is really getting to me. I just got a letter from Rick from the blacksalve site. I posted it. They are coming after these sites that claim they have a cancer cure. What business is it of the government if you want to choose a natural way to resolve your health issue. They don't want us to have any medical choice across the board. This is our freedom slipping away. If it was ever there in the first place. To make it worse, most people are clueless about what is going on. We need there numbers to help fight this government take over. Whew!! Sorry, Winnie. I am just really worried. On Oct 17, 2008, at 5:58 PM, wharrison@... wrote: > Great point, Correy! It's not as if we woke up one day and decided > to be contrary. It's because they're selling poison and we figured > it out. > > Winnie > > Re: Pertussis again, lol > Vaccinations > > > Hi > > > > I would tell the doctor that it is the pharma's fault that some > > people aren't vaccinated . It is not your fault that the > > vaccines > > aren't safe! > > > > correy > > On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:16 PM, karen speed wrote: > > > > > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > > tried > > > to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, > > saying > > > I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). Whatever. My > > two > > > who caught it are just fine...still coughing, but that will > > take a > > > few weeks to stop completely. > > > > > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial > > time > > > in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis > > vaccine > > > briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic > > > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > > about > > > it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > > > > > +4 > > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 dear karen my daughter (8 months old) has had a cough now for 2 months. she started to wheeze so they put her on a nebulizer. she had one dtap vaccination (at 5 months) her first and last - she ended up in the hospital...how do i know this is not pertussis? there is no whoop. what were the symptoms of your little ones? Pertussis again, lol Vaccinations > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > tried to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, > saying I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). > Whatever. My two who caught it are just fine...still coughing, > but that will take a few weeks to stop completely. > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial > time in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis > vaccine briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > about it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > +4 > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 It's scarier to you right now with a baby, and your hormones/mommy instincts are in high gear, as they should be. This has been going on forever that they've been moaning about those horrible exemption-takers. What I've seen over my 15 years with this issue is huge amounts of people fighting back. Huge amounts, a lot of media coverage, lawsuits over mercury, rallies, etc. that we didn't have before. The vaccine pushers have gone too far with the numbers of vaccines. I know it's overwhelming but people ARE wising up, although I doubt there will ever be a vaccine-free world. Winnie Re: Pertussis again, lol > > Vaccinations > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I would tell the doctor that it is the pharma's fault that some > > > people aren't vaccinated . It is not your fault that the > > > vaccines > > > aren't safe! > > > > > > correy > > > On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:16 PM, karen speed wrote: > > > > > > > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > > > tried > > > > to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, > > > saying > > > > I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). Whatever. My > > > two > > > > who caught it are just fine...still coughing, but that will > > > take a > > > > few weeks to stop completely. > > > > > > > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial > > > time > > > > in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis > > > vaccine > > > > briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic > > > > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > > > about > > > > it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > > > > > > > +4 > > > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 It sounds like it's asthma related. No matter what it is, you can get her over it with good alternative health care. Where do you live? Winnie Pertussis again, lol > Vaccinations > > > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > > tried to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to > vaccinate, > > saying I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). > > Whatever. My two who caught it are just fine...still > coughing, > > but that will take a few weeks to stop completely. > > > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial > > time in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the > pertussis > > vaccine briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to > epidemic > > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > > about it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > > > +4 > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Yes, I am a mess.. They are right when they say if you let them take away your rights, they will. It took awhile for people to realize it and put it together, unfortunately children are paying. :0) On Oct 17, 2008, at 8:07 PM, wharrison@... wrote: > It's scarier to you right now with a baby, and your hormones/mommy > instincts are in high gear, as they should be. > > This has been going on forever that they've been moaning about > those horrible exemption-takers. What I've seen over my 15 years > with this issue is huge amounts of people fighting back. Huge > amounts, a lot of media coverage, lawsuits over mercury, rallies, > etc. that we didn't have before. The vaccine pushers have gone too > far with the numbers of vaccines. I know it's overwhelming but > people ARE wising up, although I doubt there will ever be a vaccine- > free world. > > Winnie > > Re: Pertussis again, lol > > > Vaccinations > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I would tell the doctor that it is the pharma's fault that some > > > > people aren't vaccinated . It is not your fault that the > > > > vaccines > > > > aren't safe! > > > > > > > > correy > > > > On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:16 PM, karen speed wrote: > > > > > > > > > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > > > > tried > > > > > to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to vaccinate, > > > > saying > > > > > I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). Whatever. My > > > > two > > > > > who caught it are just fine...still coughing, but that will > > > > take a > > > > > few weeks to stop completely. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a trial > > > > time > > > > > in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the pertussis > > > > vaccine > > > > > briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to epidemic > > > > > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > > > > about > > > > > it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > > > > > > > > > +4 > > > > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 hi winnie, i live on long island. i am working with john munno, as sheri recommended. is a nebulizer bad? she is on it for 4 days and so far it has taken care of the wheeze. the ped said it can't be ashma but i have my doubts. however, she is also full of mucus that she can't expel Pertussis again, lol > > Vaccinations > > > > > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > > > tried to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to > > vaccinate, > > > saying I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). > > > Whatever. My two who caught it are just fine...still > > coughing, > > > but that will take a few weeks to stop completely. > > > > > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a > trial > > > time in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the > > pertussis > > > vaccine briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to > > epidemic > > > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > > > about it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > > > > > +4 > > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 The only symptoms were non-stop coughing fits. My two year old started first (after DH, but we didn't put the two together)....he would be fine for a couple of hours, and then cough and cough until he gagged, and spit up phlegm. We couldn't pinpoint what triggered it....exercise seemed to set it off sometimes, but it would happen at night, too, while he was sleeping. That was it, no fever, no whooping, just coughing fits. I took him to the ped, who said it was allergies and gave him " aerius " which didn't help. Cough syrup didn't help. Then, my baby started coughing, too, and that was scary. It sounded awful, and I took her in right away. I guess by the way that I described the coughing fits was a red flag for the ped, who immediately said " pertussis " and sent them both for a test (VERY painful, by the way ). Tests came back positive. My two year old is WAY better, and baby is slowly starting to cough less, but her gag reflex is worse, being a baby, so sometimes her entire little body is just wracked with coughing and gagging, until she throws up. It's really sad to watch. But the coughing fits are few and far between, so I really think she's on the mend. +4 ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Thanks for your answers, everyone. But I guess what I am looking for is some actual information on the pertussis vaccine recall/scare that happened in the 70's (someone mentioned this was the 70's, not the 80's as the ped said?)....if not, that's ok. The doctor just peaked my interest when he was talking about this, and I pressed him for more info, and he couldn't really explain....I was just curious. +4 ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 This certainly sounds like the start of asthma to me. That's how mine was dxd - a persistent hacking cough that wouldn't clear up and turned to wheezing. I then had the chest x-ray that the doctor said confirmed the diagnosis. Generally speaking I think a potential problem with this type of situation is that doctors hear about a cough with a long history and often automatically assume it's *asthma*. But they then prescribe meds appropriate for asthma which can be paradoxical - they cause the condition they were given to treat. ( I have never believed that I have true *asthma* - I was initially prescribed steroid inhaler and reliever, but after ten years on the steroid inhaler I stopped using it with no problems at all after my dd was born. I still use the reliever daily but would rather that than the steroid.) But I think what often happens is that doctors dx asthma for a long-standing cough which is actually pertussis - I have heard of that happening on more than one occasion. They see a child who's had the DPT and assume it *can't* be pertussis, so they dx asthma, and then you get a child who is dependent on meds to breathe! Doctors need to pay more attention to history, symptom pictures and be a little more open-minded before committing a child to medications for years on end. Having said that, there is no way I would withdraw a child's nebuliser if it is helping them to breathe. When my dd was about four, she got a nasty respiratory bug that gave her a bad cough. It scared me, tbh, listening to her trying to breathe, and I took her to our GP who immediately stuck her on a nebuliser, then called an ambulance and had her admitted to hospital. They gave her a chest x-ray and said they thought it might be asthma. Kept her in for observation and discharged her the following morning having given me a lecture for not vaccinating her - blah, blah, blah - together with inhalers and a spacer. She didn't subsequently need them and while constitutional homoeopathic treatment brought a bit of a relapse into wheezing about eighteen months ago, she is now free of any chest problems. Nebulisers have their place, and if she needs it to breathe comfortably, go with it. You cannot compromise that freedom of breathing. There is plenty of time to withdraw it later when the homoeopathic treatment kicks in. Don t worry about it right now. Breathing is all that matters and to a young child - or anyone, come to that - asthmatic wheezing is very, very scary. If this is pertussis, it will clear in due course, but it wasn't/isn't called the 100-day-cough for nothing. HTH. Sue x -- Re: Pertussis again, lol hi winnie, i live on long island. i am working with john munno, as sheri recommended. is a nebulizer bad? she is on it for 4 days and so far it has taken care of the wheeze. the ped said it can't be ashma but i have my doubts. however, she is also full of mucus that she can't expel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Just google it: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm " Three countries - Great Britain, Sweden, and Japan - cut back the use of pertussis vaccine because of fear about the vaccine. The effect was dramatic and immediate. In Great Britain, a drop in pertussis vaccination in 1974 was followed by an epidemic of more than 100,000 cases of pertussis and 36 deaths by 1978. In Japan, around the same time, a drop in vaccination rates from 70% to 20%-40% led to a jump in pertussis from 393 cases and no deaths in 1974 to 13,000 cases and 41 deaths in 1979. In Sweden, the annual incidence rate of pertussis per 100,000 children 0-6 years of age increased from 700 cases in 1981 to 3,200 in 1985. It seems clear from these experiences that not only would diseases not be disappearing without vaccines, but if we were to stop vaccinating, they would come back. " But don't believe the numbers. Doctors are notorious for diagnosing diseases people were not vaxed for and NOT diagnosing them if you were vaxed. And looky here: Britain: " 36 deaths by 1978 " --that means an average of 9 per year (36 out of 100,000 kids=99.96 % survived). How many SIDS cases are there from the pertussis vaccine each year? Want to bet it's more than 9? And notice how they don't give how many deaths before that time, the way they did for Japan. Was it higher?? Let's look at Japan: " 41 deaths in 1979 " (what happened to 1975-1978? Were there only deaths in 1979--bad batch, perhaps?) out of 13,000. That's 99.69% who survived. And Sweden--they don't give a previous death rate. In fact, they give no death rate, just the numbers of cases. And they give it for ages 0-6. Britain and Japan didn't do that. Maybe they went from 0-18--who knows? They're not telling. See, they pick and choose statistics, compare apples to oranges (or in Sweden's case, broccoli) and put them together in a paragraph and call it fact. I call it BS. You may give this to your doctor. Winnie Re: Pertussis again, lol Vaccinations > Thanks for your answers, everyone. But I guess what I am looking > for is some actual information on the pertussis vaccine > recall/scare that happened in the 70's (someone mentioned this > was the 70's, not the 80's as the ped said?)....if not, that's > ok. The doctor just peaked my interest when he was talking > about this, and I pressed him for more info, and he couldn't > really explain....I was just curious. > > +4 > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well, the ped is wrong that it can't be asthma. Maybe their tests to diagnose asthma don't work well with babies, and maybe he/she calls it wheezing or some other name, but he's treating it with asthma meds, so that should tell you something. I wouldn't say the nebulizer is bad, because you want her to breathe. It just won't cure anything. It's a temporary relief for the baby (and with my son, it worked for maybe an hour at a time--not much help). And it's a drug. They all come with side effects. Lots. But I wouldn't stop it without another plan, and until that plan worked. The approach that worked best for my son was herbal. We also did dietary changes (no dairy) and homeopathy. I went to a naturopath who got him over his " not asthma " --yes, I was told that too. She made him a tincture of about 5-6 things, plus I gave him other immune system building supplements. He was three yrs old--not sure what a baby would take. You would have to go to trained professional in herbal medicine. There is a great homeopathic cough syrup that gets that mucus out called Cough and Bronchial Syrup by Boericke & Tafel. I would try a little of that since it's not herbal. That and a vaporizer, and if you're nursing, no dairy for you, but take Vit. C. Are there any good naturopaths in your area? If you don't mind traveling, you could come to CT where ND's are licensed and we have a slew of wonderful ones. Winnie Pertussis again, lol > > > Vaccinations > > > > > > > So we went for our follow up appointment at the doctor. He > > > > tried to guilt trip me into blaming our choice not to > > > vaccinate, > > > > saying I'm going to cause an epidemic (my words, lol). > > > > Whatever. My two who caught it are just fine...still > > > coughing, > > > > but that will take a few weeks to stop completely. > > > > > > > > Anyway, my question is...he mentioned something about a > > trial > > > > time in Britain in the 80's, when they eliminated the > > > pertussis > > > > vaccine briefly, and the incidence of pertussis rose to > > > epidemic > > > > proportions? Does anyone know about this, or read anything > > > > about it? I wouldn't even know where to begin looking. > > > > > > > > +4 > > > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 4 months) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 How do they test for it that it's painful, poor babies? Winnie Re: Pertussis again, lol Vaccinations > The only symptoms were non-stop coughing fits. My two year old > started first (after DH, but we didn't put the two > together)....he would be fine for a couple of hours, and then > cough and cough until he gagged, and spit up phlegm. We > couldn't pinpoint what triggered it....exercise seemed to set it > off sometimes, but it would happen at night, too, while he was > sleeping. That was it, no fever, no whooping, just coughing > fits. I took him to the ped, who said it was allergies and gave > him " aerius " which didn't help. Cough syrup didn't help. Then, > my baby started coughing, too, and that was scary. It sounded > awful, and I took her in right away. I guess by the way that I > described the coughing fits was a red flag for the ped, who > immediately said " pertussis " and sent them both for a test (VERY > painful, by the way ). Tests came back positive. > > My two year old is WAY better, and baby is slowly starting to > cough less, but her gag reflex is worse, being a baby, so > sometimes her entire little body is just wracked with coughing > and gagging, until she throws up. It's really sad to > watch. But the coughing fits are few and far between, so I > really think she's on the mend. > > > > +4 > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Oh, my, gosh....now that I read this, I had this cough, was just like this, we all had it ! I remember my neighbor across the street asking, " is that you coughing ? You need to get that checked out!! " She was a nurse, she has since passed on. Then my youngest, coughed until he almost threw up, for 6 months! Dr's had no idea, I took him several times over the 6 months, I thought it was whooping cough, that is how bad it was. He would sometimes whoop and turn all kinds of purple, and in school he would go to the trash can when coughing, and he did that at home too, because he would get sick sometimes. They kept saying they didn't know, and gave him this and that, never tested him for anything, just kept shrugging their shoulders, like, " don't know " . I got a consultation with a homeopath, and got a homeopathic remedy and it cleared it up in about two, three weeks, for good. Wow, now I know what it could have been. Only the youngest took the remedy. We would all wake up in the night coughing. Ours lasted 3-4 months, his lasted 6 or more, it's been 5 years, can't remember exactly. Western NY Re: Pertussis again, lol The only symptoms were non-stop coughing fits. My two year old started first (after DH, but we didn't put the two together)....he would be fine for a couple of hours, and then cough and cough until he gagged, and spit up phlegm. We couldn't pinpoint what triggered it....exercise seemed to set it off sometimes, but it would happen at night, too, while he was sleeping. That was it, no fever, no whooping, just coughing fits. I took him to the ped, who said it was allergies and gave him " aerius " which didn't help. Cough syrup didn't help. Then, my baby started coughing, too, and that was scary. It sounded awful, and I took her in right away. I guess by the way that I described the coughing fits was a red flag for the ped, who immediately said " pertussis " and sent them both for a test (VERY painful, by the way ). Tests came back positive. My two year old is WAY better, and baby is slowly starting to cough less, but her gag reflex is worse, being a baby, so sometimes her entire little body is just wracked with coughing and gagging, until she throws up. It's really sad to watch. But the coughing fits are few and far between, so I really think she's on the mend. +4 ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 That's pretty much what my daugther has, coughing fits. Although, she is coughing less, it was especially bad in the morning, so much so that she vomited a few times. Part of me does not think that it's ashma as we all have the cough, comes and goes, but for her, it's pretty consistent for past 2 months (but getting better). I have tried some homeopathic stuff (working with a homeopath from out-of-state) but the remedies have not done much...at least not that i can see...supposed to get pretty immediate results. We tried spongia toasta and drusera. Do you remember what you used...anyone who has treated whooping cough, what did you use? should i ask for a chest x-ray? thanks! christie Re: Pertussis again, lol > > > The only symptoms were non-stop coughing fits. My two year > old started first (after DH, but we didn't put the two > together)....he would be fine for a couple of hours, and then > cough and cough until he gagged, and spit up phlegm. We > couldn't pinpoint what triggered it....exercise seemed to set it > off sometimes, but it would happen at night, too, while he was > sleeping. That was it, no fever, no whooping, just coughing > fits. I took him to the ped, who said it was allergies and gave > him " aerius " which didn't help. Cough syrup didn't help. Then, > my baby started coughing, too, and that was scary. It sounded > awful, and I took her in right away. I guess by the way that I > described the coughing fits was a red flag for the ped, who > immediately said " pertussis " and sent them both for a test (VERY > painful, by the way ). Tests came back positive. > > My two year old is WAY better, and baby is slowly starting to > cough less, but her gag reflex is worse, being a baby, so > sometimes her entire little body is just wracked with coughing > and gagging, until she throws up. It's really sad to watch. > But the coughing fits are few and far between, so I really > think she's on the mend. > > +4 > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Hello Sue, Do you think that cases of pertussis need to be treated with antibiotics? What do you think about constitutional homeopathy? What you said about doctors not thinking it is pertussis because the child had the vaccine....I agree. With polio the same thing. They thought the vaccine was working and the cases they saw as another issue. :0) On Oct 17, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Sue wrote: > This certainly sounds like the start of asthma to me. That's how > mine was > dxd - a persistent hacking cough that wouldn't clear up and turned to > wheezing. I then had the chest x-ray that the doctor said confirmed > the > diagnosis. > > Generally speaking I think a potential problem with this type of > situation > is that doctors hear about a cough with a long history and often > automatically assume it's *asthma*. But they then prescribe meds > appropriate for asthma which can be paradoxical - they cause the > condition > they were given to treat. ( I have never believed that I have true > *asthma* > - I was initially prescribed steroid inhaler and reliever, but > after ten > years on the steroid inhaler I stopped using it with no problems at > all > after my dd was born. I still use the reliever daily but would > rather that > than the steroid.) But I think what often happens is that doctors > dx asthma > for a long-standing cough which is actually pertussis - I have > heard of that > happening on more than one occasion. They see a child who's had the > DPT and > assume it *can't* be pertussis, so they dx asthma, and then you get > a child > who is dependent on meds to breathe! > > Doctors need to pay more attention to history, symptom pictures and > be a > little more open-minded before committing a child to medications > for years > on end. > > Having said that, there is no way I would withdraw a child's > nebuliser if > it is helping them to breathe. When my dd was about four, she got a > nasty > respiratory bug that gave her a bad cough. It scared me, tbh, > listening to > her trying to breathe, and I took her to our GP who immediately > stuck her on > a nebuliser, then called an ambulance and had her admitted to > hospital. > They gave her a chest x-ray and said they thought it might be > asthma. Kept > her in for observation and discharged her the following morning > having given > me a lecture for not vaccinating her - blah, blah, blah - together > with > inhalers and a spacer. She didn't subsequently need them and while > constitutional homoeopathic treatment brought a bit of a relapse into > wheezing about eighteen months ago, she is now free of any chest > problems. > > Nebulisers have their place, and if she needs it to breathe > comfortably, go > with it. You cannot compromise that freedom of breathing. There is > plenty > of time to withdraw it later when the homoeopathic treatment kicks > in. Don > t worry about it right now. Breathing is all that matters and to a > young > child - or anyone, come to that - asthmatic wheezing is very, very > scary. > If this is pertussis, it will clear in due course, but it wasn't/isn't > called the 100-day-cough for nothing. > > HTH. > > Sue x > > > > -- Re: Pertussis again, lol > > hi winnie, i live on long island. i am working with john munno, as > sheri recommended. is a nebulizer bad? she is on it for 4 days and > so far it has taken care of the wheeze. the ped said it can't be > ashma but i have my doubts. however, she is also full of mucus that > she can't expel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Good point. A common thing with statistics... " what would you like them to say?! " The average person, unfortunately, is not knowledgeable enough to think the way you do. Not even doctors!! :0) On Oct 18, 2008, at 12:03 AM, wharrison@... wrote: > Just google it: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm > > " Three countries - Great Britain, Sweden, and Japan - cut back the > use of pertussis vaccine because of fear about the vaccine. The > effect was dramatic and immediate. In Great Britain, a drop in > pertussis vaccination in 1974 was followed by an epidemic of more > than 100,000 cases of pertussis and 36 deaths by 1978. In Japan, > around the same time, a drop in vaccination rates from 70% to > 20%-40% led to a jump in pertussis from 393 cases and no deaths in > 1974 to 13,000 cases and 41 deaths in 1979. In Sweden, the annual > incidence rate of pertussis per 100,000 children 0-6 years of age > increased from 700 cases in 1981 to 3,200 in 1985. It seems clear > from these experiences that not only would diseases not be > disappearing without vaccines, but if we were to stop vaccinating, > they would come back. " > > But don't believe the numbers. Doctors are notorious for diagnosing > diseases people were not vaxed for and NOT diagnosing them if you > were vaxed. And looky here: > > Britain: " 36 deaths by 1978 " --that means an average of 9 per year > (36 out of 100,000 kids=99.96 % survived). How many SIDS cases are > there from the pertussis vaccine each year? Want to bet it's more > than 9? And notice how they don't give how many deaths before that > time, the way they did for Japan. Was it higher?? > > Let's look at Japan: " 41 deaths in 1979 " (what happened to > 1975-1978? Were there only deaths in 1979--bad batch, perhaps?) out > of 13,000. That's 99.69% who survived. > > And Sweden--they don't give a previous death rate. In fact, they > give no death rate, just the numbers of cases. And they give it for > ages 0-6. Britain and Japan didn't do that. Maybe they went from > 0-18--who knows? They're not telling. > > See, they pick and choose statistics, compare apples to oranges (or > in Sweden's case, broccoli) and put them together in a paragraph > and call it fact. I call it BS. You may give this to your doctor. > > Winnie > > Re: Pertussis again, lol > Vaccinations > > > Thanks for your answers, everyone. But I guess what I am looking > > for is some actual information on the pertussis vaccine > > recall/scare that happened in the 70's (someone mentioned this > > was the 70's, not the 80's as the ped said?)....if not, that's > > ok. The doctor just peaked my interest when he was talking > > about this, and I pressed him for more info, and he couldn't > > really explain....I was just curious. > > > > +4 > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Hi Correy, Do you think that cases of pertussis need to be treated with Antibiotics? **No I don't. I don't believe that resolves anything except to depress the immune system more than it already is depressed. If antibiotics bring an improvement in symptoms, it is because they have suppressed them rather than cured them, and if this is the case, it will come out somewhere else. What do you think about constitutional homeopathy? ***I'm not really sure what you mean, Correy. I believe constitutional homoeopathy is the way to treat everything - treating the constitution rather than the *disease*. A strong constitution will fight off anything. I do think that it can be hard to find a skillful homoeopath though - I live in Australia now and there is not the glut of excellent homoeopaths that there was in the UK...( What you said about doctors not thinking it is pertussis because the child had the vaccine....I agree. With polio the same thing. They thought the vaccine was working and the cases they saw as another issue. ***They are incredibly blinkered about this - same with measles - if child is vaccinated it must be something other than measles! " There are none so blind.... " Sue x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Maybe, this site will help,,) http://www.simillimum.com/education/first-aid-room/contents/ whooping_cough.php correy On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:33 AM, ccomunal@... wrote: > That's pretty much what my daugther has, coughing fits. Although, > she is coughing less, it was especially bad in the morning, so much > so that she vomited a few times. Part of me does not think that > it's ashma as we all have the cough, comes and goes, but for her, > it's pretty consistent for past 2 months (but getting better). I > have tried some homeopathic stuff (working with a homeopath from > out-of-state) but the remedies have not done much...at least not > that i can see...supposed to get pretty immediate results. We tried > spongia toasta and drusera. Do you remember what you used...anyone > who has treated whooping cough, what did you use? > > should i ask for a chest x-ray? > > thanks! christie > Re: Pertussis again, lol > > > > > > The only symptoms were non-stop coughing fits. My two year > > old started first (after DH, but we didn't put the two > > together)....he would be fine for a couple of hours, and then > > cough and cough until he gagged, and spit up phlegm. We > > couldn't pinpoint what triggered it....exercise seemed to set it > > off sometimes, but it would happen at night, too, while he was > > sleeping. That was it, no fever, no whooping, just coughing > > fits. I took him to the ped, who said it was allergies and gave > > him " aerius " which didn't help. Cough syrup didn't help. Then, > > my baby started coughing, too, and that was scary. It sounded > > awful, and I took her in right away. I guess by the way that I > > described the coughing fits was a red flag for the ped, who > > immediately said " pertussis " and sent them both for a test (VERY > > painful, by the way ). Tests came back positive. > > > > My two year old is WAY better, and baby is slowly starting to > > cough less, but her gag reflex is worse, being a baby, so > > sometimes her entire little body is just wracked with coughing > > and gagging, until she throws up. It's really sad to watch. > > But the coughing fits are few and far between, so I really > > think she's on the mend. > > > > +4 > > ( 10, Quinn 5, Jezek 2 and 1/2, Briar 3 months) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I just got confused when you said it made the wheezing worse:0) On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Sue wrote: > Hi Correy, > > Do you think that cases of pertussis need to be treated with > Antibiotics? > > **No I don't. I don't believe that resolves anything except to > depress the > immune system more than it already is depressed. If antibiotics > bring an > improvement in symptoms, it is because they have suppressed them > rather than > cured them, and if this is the case, it will come out somewhere else. > > What do you think about constitutional homeopathy? > > ***I'm not really sure what you mean, Correy. I believe constitutional > homoeopathy is the way to treat everything - treating the constitution > rather than the *disease*. A strong constitution will fight off > anything. > I do think that it can be hard to find a skillful homoeopath though > - I live > in Australia now and there is not the glut of excellent homoeopaths > that > there was in the UK...( > > What you said about doctors not thinking it is pertussis because the > child had the vaccine....I agree. With polio the same thing. They > thought the vaccine was working and the cases they saw as another > issue. > > ***They are incredibly blinkered about this - same with measles - > if child > is vaccinated it must be something other than measles! " There are > none so > blind.... " > > Sue x > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 , do you know what homeopathic doctor you used? Re: Pertussis again, lol Vaccinations > > > I just got confused when you said it made the wheezing worse:0) > > On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Sue wrote: > > > Hi Correy, > > > > Do you think that cases of pertussis need to be treated with > > Antibiotics? > > > > **No I don't. I don't believe that resolves anything except to > > > depress the > > immune system more than it already is depressed. If > antibiotics > > bring an > > improvement in symptoms, it is because they have suppressed > them > > rather than > > cured them, and if this is the case, it will come out > somewhere else. > > > > What do you think about constitutional homeopathy? > > > > ***I'm not really sure what you mean, Correy. I believe > constitutional> homoeopathy is the way to treat everything - > treating the constitution > > rather than the *disease*. A strong constitution will fight > off > > anything. > > I do think that it can be hard to find a skillful homoeopath > though > > - I live > > in Australia now and there is not the glut of excellent > homoeopaths > > that > > there was in the UK...( > > > > What you said about doctors not thinking it is pertussis > because the > > child had the vaccine....I agree. With polio the same thing. They > > thought the vaccine was working and the cases they saw as > another > > issue. > > > > ***They are incredibly blinkered about this - same with > measles - > > if child > > is vaccinated it must be something other than measles! " There > are > > none so > > blind.... " > > > > Sue x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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