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Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 There was a little boy with ds in Milwaukee that was being abused by his bus driver. Yelling hitting, that sort of stuff. His parents got it on audio tape. It was horrible to hear. Just came up with a creative way to handle him. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Ohmigosh, Beth!!! I saw it, too!! I came into the room just after it started. My oldest was watching it. I asked why she didn't tell me it was on. Her answer? " Didn't want to scare you Mom " . I think your idea may be a little lenient for the driver. Sue mom to Kate 13 and Karrie 7 w/ds (yesterday) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 What was the situation? Was this a student in special ed? How old? Sounds horrible. R. Re: Today show Ohmigosh, Beth!!! I saw it, too!! I came into the room just after it started. My oldest was watching it. I asked why she didn't tell me it was on. Her answer? " Didn't want to scare you Mom " . I think your idea may be a little lenient for the driver. Sue mom to Kate 13 and Karrie 7 w/ds (yesterday) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Who saw this child on TV? I have had calls from friends who say his behavior on the news show was not a good example of most kids with DS and thought that people who nothing about kids with disabilities that saw this kid would be sympathetic with the bus driver. Cheryl in VA People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America. Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage of ADA-July 13, 1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 I saw him for a few minutes, and all I saw was a child that was tired. They got him out of bed extremely early to go live in New York. He was rubbing his eyes, obviously tired. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 I saw the little boy on the t.v. and while he was antsy, if he also had ADHD as we have been told in the newspapers, then his behavior was exceptional. I have one with ADHD that doesn't have DS. I cannot imagine how much harder it would be to have one with both DS and ADHD. There is NO EXCUSE for abusing a child. There are other avenues that bus driver could have taken. If we are going to judge children solely by their behaviors then many of our children will be abused. I am not talking about a child that is not disciplined at home, I am talking about kids with special needs that are sometimes not seen (Like ADHD,FAS etc.). They are at high risk for being abused because people are uneducated about them. That's what we all should be worrying about. Educating the public. We can NEVER let abuse happen under any circumstances. Loree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 In a message dated 5/8/03 4:32:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dlneff@... writes: > > Who saw this child on TV? I have had calls from friends who say his > behavior > on the news show was not a good example of most kids with DS and thought > that > people who nothing about kids with disabilities that saw this kid would be > sympathetic with the bus driver. > Cheryl in VA > Oh, please. When is EVER hitting a child, or threatening physical abuse, an appropriate response to negative behavior.... no matter how bad the behavior? Besides, wasn't the child on a Special Ed bus... where the staff is supposed to be better equipped to handle negative behavior than the " regular " bus driver? ly the kid would have been better off on a regular bus, where he could have had the benefit of peer advocates. (Gee... another reason for Inclusion....) As some one on another list pointed out... the parents specifically stated that the reason they planted the tape recorder was that the child's behavior was deteriorating and they wanted to know why. This goes right to the HEART of one of the 1350 measures... with out the protections of FBAs, the school can claim that the child's behavior is deteriorating and needs to placed somewhere else... without investigating the external CAUSES, like possible abuse by a bus driver! Time to contact your senators while this case is HOT in the news. - Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 That's not true, he squirmed around on his mother's lap, but I thought he sat patiently, considering they were sitting there talking about him and his terrible experience. And they played portions of the tape and the bus driver was very loud and you could make out everything he said. The little boy was much harder to hear and only yelled, I thought, when he was yelled at. Maybe I'm remembering differently. Anyone else, have impressions? His mom did ask him if he wanted to say hi and he said no! if that's what they meant. CAn you blame him it was probably 6 or 7 am where he was! Re: Today show Who saw this child on TV? I have had calls from friends who say his behavior on the news show was not a good example of most kids with DS and thought that people who nothing about kids with disabilities that saw this kid would be sympathetic with the bus driver. Cheryl in VA People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America. Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage of ADA-July 13, 1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 In a message dated 5/8/2003 8:10:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, bmitchell@... writes: > The CNN reporters (Bill Hemmer > and Heidi ) seemed quite sympathetic to the > parents and child, > I thought. Good!! It's hard for people to understand all that goes on and I only hope some of the legislators involved in IDEA reauthorization are following this story! Who ever said this behavior on the bus could have allowed the child to be expelled and not educated is exactly right! One friend that watched the show told me she was perturbed by a question Matt Lauer asked, something about did mom put tape recorder on son because she suspected abuse going on and mom firmly and quickly said no. My friend said, " why would they think we would consciously choose to put our kids with disabilities in a dangerous situation any more than we would put our kids without disabilities in such a situation. If the mom thought there was abuse, she would have kept her kid safe at home! " I think the reporter was just asking questions to get more of an idea of what was going on. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Cheryl, CNN has been showing this too. They even interviewed the parents yesterday. I thought the little boy acted fine on TV. He sat quietly and very patiently, for a young child. The CNN reporters (Bill Hemmer and Heidi ) seemed quite sympathetic to the parents and child, I thought. Barbara wildwards@... wrote: > Who saw this child on TV? I have had calls from friends who say his > behavior > on the news show was not a good example of most kids with DS and > thought that > people who nothing about kids with disabilities that saw this kid > would be > sympathetic with the bus driver. > Cheryl in VA > > People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal > justice under > the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America. > Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's > passage > of ADA-July 13, 1990 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 ---On the Today show the parents said the driver even KNEW about the tape recorder- they didn't even really hide it and he still did this stuff- so what was he doing when he DIDN " T think he was being recorded? I thought the little boy behaved fine although you could tell he was upset when they brought out the safety harness that he wore on the bus- he probably never wants to see that thing again! In , RSYOSH@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/8/03 4:32:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dlneff@o... > writes: > > > > > Who saw this child on TV? I have had calls from friends who say his > > behavior > > on the news show was not a good example of most kids with DS and thought > > that > > people who nothing about kids with disabilities that saw this kid would be > > sympathetic with the bus driver. > > Cheryl in VA > > > > Oh, please. When is EVER hitting a child, or threatening physical abuse, an > appropriate response to negative behavior.... no matter how bad the behavior? > Besides, wasn't the child on a Special Ed bus... where the staff is supposed > to be better equipped to handle negative behavior than the " regular " bus > driver? ly the kid would have been better off on a regular bus, where > he could have had the benefit of peer advocates. (Gee... another reason for > Inclusion....) > > As some one on another list pointed out... the parents specifically stated > that the reason they planted the tape recorder was that the child's behavior > was deteriorating and they wanted to know why. > > This goes right to the HEART of one of the 1350 measures... with out the > protections of FBAs, the school can claim that the child's behavior is > deteriorating and needs to placed somewhere else... without investigating the > external CAUSES, like possible abuse by a bus driver! Time to contact your > senators while this case is HOT in the news. > > - Becky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 I don't understand why there wasn't an aide on this bus! mom to Bridget 10...who does not ride the bus Re: Today show I saw the little boy on the t.v. and while he was antsy, if he also had ADHD as we have been told in the newspapers, then his behavior was exceptional. I have one with ADHD that doesn't have DS. I cannot imagine how much harder it would be to have one with both DS and ADHD. There is NO EXCUSE for abusing a child. There are other avenues that bus driver could have taken. If we are going to judge children solely by their behaviors then many of our children will be abused. I am not talking about a child that is not disciplined at home, I am talking about kids with special needs that are sometimes not seen (Like ADHD,FAS etc.). They are at high risk for being abused because people are uneducated about them. That's what we all should be worrying about. Educating the public. We can NEVER let abuse happen under any circumstances. Loree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 mom2bridget wrote: >I don't understand why there wasn't an aide on this bus! > > > I think that many districts do not have a matron or aide on any bus..... they are not required to (by any law that I am familiar with), and it would just cost money, so unless parents lobby and demand it, I'm guessing things will stay the same. As much as I am disgusted by this driver, and feel terrible for the boy and his family, I think we should remember that the vast majority of bus drivers (like teachers, therapists, scout leaders, priests, and the many other adults who interact with our children) are good people who would never harm a child. The small minority that does the hideous things get the attention (as they should, so that we can be informed), but it does tend to diminish the contributions of the many good, kind individuals whose professions are being tarnished by the horrible few. , mom to (7), (5 DS), and (3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 When we were in Missouri, the sped teacher had it written into every kid's IEP that they would have an aide on the bus. That way they WERE required to have one:)) She also has a son with DS. Elaine Re: Today show mom2bridget wrote: >I don't understand why there wasn't an aide on this bus! > > > I think that many districts do not have a matron or aide on any bus..... they are not required to (by any law that I am familiar with), and it would just cost money, so unless parents lobby and demand it, I'm guessing things will stay the same. As much as I am disgusted by this driver, and feel terrible for the boy and his family, I think we should remember that the vast majority of bus drivers (like teachers, therapists, scout leaders, priests, and the many other adults who interact with our children) are good people who would never harm a child. The small minority that does the hideous things get the attention (as they should, so that we can be informed), but it does tend to diminish the contributions of the many good, kind individuals whose professions are being tarnished by the horrible few. , mom to (7), (5 DS), and (3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I sent this to the NBC Today Show: today@... I am outraged at your biased interview with Snyderman and her interview with Offit on Oct. 30. First, let me say I used to vaccinate my children. I stopped when my perfectly healthy 15- month old son had a serious reaction to the MMR in 1991, and became asthmatic and allergic. He did not become autistic. In fact, I had never heard of autism until around 1999. I now have four children, ages 9-18, with only the first two having their baby vaccines--the others non-vaccinated. All are alive and well, as am I, who never had all the vaccines that are out now. So my gripe with vaccines is not over autism. There are many other injuries to children from vaccines besides autism--and yes, I do believe it is caused by vaccines. I believe it is caused from mercury and also from the MMR, which does not contain mercury. For parents to be dismissed over what they personally witness, for doctors to ignore sudden illness, seizures, and SIDS after vaccines, and for our government to turn a blind eye, except to defend the vaccine program is a travesty. The children in our country are plagued with cancers, autoimmune disorders, learning disabilities, ADHD, asthma, life-threatening food allergies, and more. It is a fantasy that vaccines are creating good health in our children. Quite the opposite. But let's talk about the interview: Snyderman outright lied when she said there are 14 vaccines given to babies. There are 15 diseases (not 14) that vaccines are recommended for, but there are 36 vaccines given by age two--and more after that. Not 14. So she lied. What else did she lie about:? Perhaps that the issue is not controversial. It certainly is, or you wouldn't have done the interview about it. It wouldn't constantly be in the media at every turn. Perhaps that, as she stated, " Vaccines do not cause autism. " That is blatantly untrue, and for someone concerned with " the science, " one would think she would know the difference between " not finding a causal relationship " and " not causing. " She is twisting the truth to fit her agenda. When asked why parents are not accepting this " truth, " she said that doctors aren't explaining it well enough. Is that what's it called when people don't buy what you have to sell? You didn't explain it well enough? How about the truth? We might buy that. But Snyderman doesn't tell the truth. She just wants to find a different way to package it, like saying there are only 14 vaccines instead of 36. Like saying the issue is not controversial, as if that will make it--and those pesky parents---go away. Offit--made to be the martyr in her interview, with dramatic music and back of the head shots as if he's scared to be seen, although that changed quickly enough when he promoted his new book! I can't even express my disgust with this vaccine-pushing man with his financial conflicts of interests over vaccines. Despite this, I certainly don't condone death threats against either of the doctors. Such actions are not representative of the average parents who are wrestling with how to help their vaccine damaged children, or those who have wised up to the billions that are being made of off their children from this health harming vaccine industry. But I can certainly understand the desperation that would bring someone to do it. Perhaps the doctors ought to try understanding it, too. Why don't you interview one of us to see why we don't vaccinate our children? How about something unbiased from someone who doesn't have a book to promote or a paycheck to defend? I am extremely disappointed that the news media is a spokesperson for the pharmaceutical companies. You are doing the public a great disservice by presenting such a one-sided pack of lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thank you for sending that! I was watching the Today show with my " not quite on the no-vaccine bandwagon " husband this morning. I was disgusted with & her blatant lies. It's taken me months to try to make my husband understand why we are NOT going to poison our 4 month old with vaccines. After watching the Today show, he's starting to question our (my) decision. I feel so sorry for all of the children with parents who use shows like that as their only source of education on vaccines. > > I sent this to the NBC Today Show: today@... > > I am outraged at your biased interview with Snyderman and her interview with Offit on Oct. 30. > > First, let me say I used to vaccinate my children. I stopped when my perfectly healthy 15- month old son had a serious reaction to the MMR in 1991, and became asthmatic and allergic. He did not become autistic. In fact, I had never heard of autism until around 1999. I now have four children, ages 9-18, with only the first two having their baby vaccines--the others non-vaccinated. All are alive and well, as am I, who never had all the vaccines that are out now. > > So my gripe with vaccines is not over autism. There are many other injuries to children from vaccines besides autism--and yes, I do believe it is caused by vaccines. I believe it is caused from mercury and also from the MMR, which does not contain mercury. For parents to be dismissed over what they personally witness, for doctors to ignore sudden illness, seizures, and SIDS after vaccines, and for our government to turn a blind eye, except to defend the vaccine program is a travesty. The children in our country are plagued with cancers, autoimmune disorders, learning disabilities, ADHD, asthma, life- threatening food allergies, and more. It is a fantasy that vaccines are creating good health in our children. Quite the opposite. > > But let's talk about the interview: Snyderman outright lied when she said there are 14 vaccines given to babies. There are 15 diseases (not 14) that vaccines are recommended for, but there are 36 vaccines given by age two--and more after that. Not 14. So she lied. > > What else did she lie about:? Perhaps that the issue is not controversial. It certainly is, or you wouldn't have done the interview about it. It wouldn't constantly be in the media at every turn. > > Perhaps that, as she stated, " Vaccines do not cause autism. " That is blatantly untrue, and for someone concerned with " the science, " one would think she would know the difference between " not finding a causal relationship " and " not causing. " She is twisting the truth to fit her agenda. > > When asked why parents are not accepting this " truth, " she said that doctors aren't explaining it well enough. Is that what's it called when people don't buy what you have to sell? You didn't explain it well enough? How about the truth? We might buy that. But Snyderman doesn't tell the truth. She just wants to find a different way to package it, like saying there are only 14 vaccines instead of 36. Like saying the issue is not controversial, as if that will make it--and those pesky parents---go away. > > Offit--made to be the martyr in her interview, with dramatic music and back of the head shots as if he's scared to be seen, although that changed quickly enough when he promoted his new book! I can't even express my disgust with this vaccine-pushing man with his financial conflicts of interests over vaccines. > > Despite this, I certainly don't condone death threats against either of the doctors. Such actions are not representative of the average parents who are wrestling with how to help their vaccine damaged children, or those who have wised up to the billions that are being made of off their children from this health harming vaccine industry. But I can certainly understand the desperation that would bring someone to do it. Perhaps the doctors ought to try understanding it, too. > > Why don't you interview one of us to see why we don't vaccinate our children? How about something unbiased from someone who doesn't have a book to promote or a paycheck to defend? I am extremely disappointed that the news media is a spokesperson for the pharmaceutical companies. You are doing the public a great disservice by presenting such a one-sided pack of lies. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 You're welcome. I hope your husband realizes Dr. gets paid a pretty penny to say what she does. Winnie Re: Today Show Vaccinations > Thank you for sending that! I was watching the Today show with > my " not quite on the no-vaccine bandwagon " husband this morning. > I > was disgusted with & her blatant lies. It's taken me > months to > try to make my husband understand why we are NOT going to poison > our > 4 month old with vaccines. After watching the Today show, he's > starting to question our (my) decision. I feel so sorry for all > of > the children with parents who use shows like that as their only > source of education on vaccines. > > > > > > > > I sent this to the NBC Today Show: today@... > > > > I am outraged at your biased interview with Snyderman > and her > interview with Offit on Oct. 30. > > > > First, let me say I used to vaccinate my children. I stopped > when > my perfectly healthy 15- month old son had a serious reaction to > the > MMR in 1991, and became asthmatic and allergic. He did not > become > autistic. In fact, I had never heard of autism until around > 1999. I > now have four children, ages 9-18, with only the first two > having > their baby vaccines--the others non-vaccinated. All are alive > and > well, as am I, who never had all the vaccines that are out now. > > > > So my gripe with vaccines is not over autism. There are many > other > injuries to children from vaccines besides autism--and yes, I do > believe it is caused by vaccines. I believe it is caused from > mercury > and also from the MMR, which does not contain mercury. For > parents to > be dismissed over what they personally witness, for doctors to > ignore > sudden illness, seizures, and SIDS after vaccines, and for our > government to turn a blind eye, except to defend the vaccine > program > is a travesty. The children in our country are plagued with > cancers, > autoimmune disorders, learning disabilities, ADHD, asthma, life- > threatening food allergies, and more. It is a fantasy that > vaccines > are creating good health in our children. Quite the opposite. > > > > But let's talk about the interview: Snyderman outright > lied > when she said there are 14 vaccines given to babies. There are > 15 > diseases (not 14) that vaccines are recommended for, but there > are 36 > vaccines given by age two--and more after that. Not 14. So she > lied. > > > > What else did she lie about:? Perhaps that the issue is not > controversial. It certainly is, or you wouldn't have done the > interview about it. It wouldn't constantly be in the media at > every > turn. > > > > Perhaps that, as she stated, " Vaccines do not cause autism. " > That > is blatantly untrue, and for someone concerned with " the > science, " > one would think she would know the difference between " not > finding a > causal relationship " and " not causing. " She is twisting the > truth to > fit her agenda. > > > > When asked why parents are not accepting this " truth, " she > said > that doctors aren't explaining it well enough. Is that what's it > called when people don't buy what you have to sell? You didn't > explain it well enough? How about the truth? We might buy that. > But > Snyderman doesn't tell the truth. She just wants to find a > different way to package it, like saying there are only 14 > vaccines > instead of 36. Like saying the issue is not controversial, as if > that > will make it--and those pesky parents---go away. > > > > Offit--made to be the martyr in her interview, with > dramatic > music and back of the head shots as if he's scared to be seen, > although that changed quickly enough when he promoted his new > book! I > can't even express my disgust with this vaccine-pushing man with > his > financial conflicts of interests over vaccines. > > > > Despite this, I certainly don't condone death threats against > either of the doctors. Such actions are not representative of > the > average parents who are wrestling with how to help their vaccine > damaged children, or those who have wised up to the billions > that are > being made of off their children from this health harming > vaccine > industry. But I can certainly understand the desperation that > would > bring someone to do it. Perhaps the doctors ought to try > understanding it, too. > > > > Why don't you interview one of us to see why we don't > vaccinate our > children? How about something unbiased from someone who doesn't > have > a book to promote or a paycheck to defend? I am extremely > disappointed that the news media is a spokesperson for the > pharmaceutical companies. You are doing the public a great > disservice > by presenting such a one-sided pack of lies. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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