RE: Why aren't docs against? What will happen if we stop?

[Guest guest]

So, what about this?  This another question I have.  I must defend my decision

to my family and friends and need to know how to answer this.  Ok, so if

vaccines, in general, are so bad then why does almost everyone in the medical

community want our children to get vaccinated?  I can't think that all doctors

are bad??   My Ped seems nice and I don't think she's out to get me and my

family.  And what will happen if we all stopped getting vaccinated?  Some argue

with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd world country if we stop.

Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL, family, friends,

and doc I need to be prepared to fight.  TIA

You forgot to mention that she said if parents don't comply with mandatory

vaccinations (all of them), we will soon be dealing with outbreaks of polio and

measles.

Becca

[Guest guest]

My pediatricians were nice, too. So am I, and I'm not out to get you, either.

But you shouldn't base your medical decision my opinions. You need to research

this and feel comfortable with it. That takes time.

Peds are trained to believe vaccines are good and necessary, just as most of us

were brought up to believe. I'm sure they sincerely believe in them. I can't

explain why most of them completely dismiss obvious reactions, though. That's

not very nice, and it happens all the time.

Motivation by the peds is not as important as the motivation of the

pharmaceutical companies which convince the peds to sell their products for

them.

Let's pretend all peds have our children's best interests at heart. That doesn't

change the vaccine ingredients, it doesn't change the huge number of vaccine

injuries and deaths that are reported (or vastly underreported) to VAERS, and it

doesn't make the vaccines work.

As for what will happen if we all stop getting vaccinated, here's my answer:

first, that will never happen, unfortunately. Second, we'll be a healthier

society because our children will not be poisoned by these vaccines. Last, the

disease rate will likely go back to what it was before, which was practically

nil compared to what we're being told.

I don't know why you have to fight your relatives about this. These are your

children, not theirs. I can't tell you what to say to them. You should say what

your reasons are. What are they? That you're not comfortable until you research

it more? Or that you are not convinced they're safe? Then say that. If someone

challenges you on it, it's okay to say " back off. This is my choice. "

Winnie

Re: Why aren't docs against? What will happen if we

stop?

Vaccinations

> So, what about this? This another question I have. I must

> defend my decision to my family and friends and need to know how

> to answer this. Ok, so if vaccines, in general, are so bad then

> why does almost everyone in the medical community want our

> children to get vaccinated? I can't think that all doctors are

> bad?? My Ped seems nice and I don't think she's out to get me

> and my family. And what will happen if we all stopped getting

> vaccinated? Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a

> 3rd world country if we stop.

> Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL,

> family, friends, and doc I need to be prepared to fight. TIA

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[Guest guest]

>why does almost everyone in the medical community want our children to get

>vaccinated? I can't think that all doctors are bad??

they are all Allopaths

" As well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor

(Allopath) on the worth of vaccination. " --- Bernard Shaw

To get a true second opinion you need to ask a non-Allopath. Naturopath,

Homeopath, or non Allopath MD such as a nutritional one.

> And what will happen if we all stopped getting vaccinated?

No more vaccine disease like autism, asthma, juvenile arthritis etc

http://whale.to/vaccines/diseases.html

and healthier kids http://whale.to/a/children1.html

but no billion $$ vaccine industry and billion $ industry treating vaccine

damage like asthma

Why Vaccination continues

http://whale.to/vaccine/why_vaccination_continues.html

>Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd world country if we

>stop

tell them to do some research

>vaccinations (all of them), we will soon be dealing with outbreaks of polio

>and measles.

See measles http://whale.to/vaccines/measles.html

Polio http://whale.to/v/polio2.htm

Re: Why aren't docs against? What will happen if we

stop?

So, what about this? This another question I have. I must defend my

decision to my family and friends and need to know how to answer this. Ok,

so if vaccines, in general, are so bad then why does almost everyone in the

medical community want our children to get vaccinated? I can't think that

all doctors are bad?? My Ped seems nice and I don't think she's out to get

me and my family. And what will happen if we all stopped getting

vaccinated? Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd world

country if we stop.

Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL, family,

friends, and doc I need to be prepared to fight. TIA

You forgot to mention that she said if parents don't comply with mandatory

vaccinations (all of them), we will soon be dealing with outbreaks of polio

and

measles.

Becca

[Guest guest]

,

i'm in a similar situation; against in-laws & my own family for not

vaccinating. my father is a retired physician - that fact should indicate

what i'm up against.

my daughter is almost 7 months old. she's had prevnar @ 2 & 4 months, &

same w/ rotovirus. no more. the best place to start note taking is straight

from the manufacturer's website! find their product information after

seeing what brand your pediatrician injects. study what the manufacturer

says (merck, wyeth, novartis, etc.) - efficacy, risks, everything. ask your

doctor plain questions, exhuding your confidence, such as " Can you guarantee

that my child won't die from this vaccination? can you guarantee that my

child won't be a statistic that I see on the manufacturer's charts? " if

they're in their right mind, they'll say they can't guarantee you, but

they'll more than likely give you reassurance that since your child doesn't

exhibit characteristic x, y, or z that they're not at risk. my pediatrician

(ex-pediatrician) used scare tactics, saying she's had patients die from not

vaccinating. what they don't tell you is that there are different strains

that exist, aside from what vaccinations protect from. breastfeeding is the

best vaccine, along w/ whole, raw foods & a balanced diet. Hand washing

helps immensly.

secondly, take a look at the CDC vaccination schedule - now, versus 20 years

ago. so many more vaccines out now - & they keep coming. i can't give

websites now, but check out google on pharmaceutical lobbyists. think about

how med schools survive - grants from big hospitals, big pharma, etc.

allopathic physicians are indoctrinated to practice only what they have

learned - few stray from mainstream medical practices.

last but not least, find out that these epidemics of polio & whatnot were

really on the way out before the vaccine came out.

vaccines are corrupt. maybe you could do your pediatrician a favor, along

w/ many of her future patients, if you were able to educate yourself enough

to educate her. maybe she's not aware of how toxic vaccines are. There's a

lot to read. www.nvic.org. dr. sear's -the vaccine guide.- sherri

tenpenny's -saying no to vaccines.-

good luck

-kitty

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Kehring <gizbaby123@...>wrote:

> So, what about this? This another question I have. I must defend my

> decision to my family and friends and need to know how to answer this. Ok,

> so if vaccines, in general, are so bad then why does almost everyone in the

> medical community want our children to get vaccinated? I can't think that

> all doctors are bad?? My Ped seems nice and I don't think she's out to get

> me and my family. And what will happen if we all stopped getting

> vaccinated? Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd world

> country if we stop.

> Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL, family,

> friends, and doc I need to be prepared to fight. TIA

>

>

> You forgot to mention that she said if parents don't comply with mandatory

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> vaccinations (all of them), we will soon be dealing with outbreaks of polio

> and

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> measles.

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> Becca

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[Guest guest]

Responses to this can get really long-winded. All of these questions

are very well answered in the book " The Vaccine Manual " by Neil Z.

. But, here's my attempt to make a very long answer short(er).

LOL

Of course all doctors are not bad. I'm sure they do truly want to

help families, not hurt them. It's the sources of their information

that are to blame. Most allopathic (not all, but MOST) just

regurgitate what they've been " taught " through medical school text

books and, when it comes to drugs, their pharmaceutical reps. That

means that they are relying on the SALES PITCHES of the pharmaceutical

representatives that represent the manufacturers of any given drug or

vaccine. It is the sales rep's job to sell the doctor on THEIR

drug/vaccine, thereby eliminating the competition. Unfortunately, it's

all for the mighty dollar. Most doctors don't take it upon themselves

to research past the sales pitch. Some (I'd venture to say most)

don't even read the package inserts of the drugs or vaccines they

administer in their offices. If the drug manufacturers weren't in it

for profit, you'd likely be hearing a completely different story from

your family doctors and pediatricians.

The truth of the matter is that disease was in rapid decline BEFORE

any vaccines were introduced, due to better living conditions (i.e.

indoor plumbing, clean drinking water and refrigeration of food

stores). Manufacturers of vaccine " hitched a ride " on the already

declining disease and death rates and started making the claim that it

was the vaccine that caused the decline... all hype.

This is just a short explanation... there is a huge history behind

vaccines. My advice would be to start reading on the issue and never

stop. You shouldn't take ANYONE's word for something that can impact

your children's lives so greatly... not mine, not your doctors, you

should research and become comfortable with your decisions based on

the knowledge you've gained. While you're researching, put off

vaccines. You can always elect to vaccinate later, after you've

researched until you're comfortable one way or the other, but you can

NEVER take back an injection once it's been given.

As far as how to handle your family, friends and doctors, that can be

tricky. My personal experience is that it's easier to deal with

friends and strangers about the issue than it is to deal with your own

family. My family is completely on-board with my decision... my

inlaws, on the other hand, think ill of me, but we've basically just

agreed to disagree on the subject to keep peace in the family.

Incidentally, my DH's nieces and nephews ALL have asthma, allergies

and three of them have tubes in their ears from chronic inflammation

in which onset correlated directly to a round of vaccines... my sons

don't have any respiratory issues or allergies, or health issues at

all. I don't think vaccines are the ONLY causes of these conditions,

but they certainly are A cause. As far as doctors... I couldn't care

less what any doctor tells me on the subject... I've gotten the

allopathic (regular, mainstream doctors) our of our lives and we deal

with only chiropractors, homeopaths and natropaths, and midwives for

childbirth, unless it's an emergency type thing (like my son inhaling

a pistachio that had to be surgically removed, or a broken bone that

needs to be set). It's up to you to find your own comfort level on

these issues, and don't be surprised if your comfort level changes as

you become more and more educated on the subject. I used to feel like

I needed to back down and run away anytime someone challenged me on

the issue, now I stand up and DARE them to challenge me -- even the

doctors!

If you start to feel overwhelmed, just take a deep breath and remember

that you really don't HAVE to justify your decisions to anyone but

yourself and your children. You are the one ultimately responsible

for keeping your children safe... it's really nobody else's business.

I'm glad you're asking these questions. Good for you for looking for

the real answers!

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Kehring <gizbaby123@...> wrote:

> So, what about this? This another question I have. I must defend my

> decision to my family and friends and need to know how to answer this. Ok,

> so if vaccines, in general, are so bad then why does almost everyone in the

> medical community want our children to get vaccinated? I can't think that

> all doctors are bad?? My Ped seems nice and I don't think she's out to get

> me and my family. And what will happen if we all stopped getting

> vaccinated? Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd world

> country if we stop.

> Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL, family,

> friends, and doc I need to be prepared to fight. TIA

>

[Guest guest]

Good point, . This is PRECISELY what I finally told my inlaws....

that I would refuse to debate the issue with them at all until they

spent at least the same number of hours (which is WELL into the

THOUSANDS by now) that I have researching the subject. The case has

remained closed ever since. I find it very sad that DH's brothers and

sisters don't tell us when one of their children is hospitalized for

something that is obviously related to vaccines (we hear it from his

parents)... I think they are afraid of the " Told you so! " , but really,

I don't care to be acknowledges as " right " , I just wish they'd stop

poisoning their kids! They can say I'm wrong all they want, I don't

care... just STOP POISONING THE KIDS!

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, <scu23@...> wrote:

>>Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd world country if we

>>stop

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> tell them to do some research

[Guest guest]

Thank you all sooooooooooooo very much for taking the time out to help me!  Yes,

I DO feel overwhelmed.  So, very overwhelmed!  I do know that I have stopped all

vaccines for both children and will NOT continue.  However, my 1st child, he is

2 1/2 and so far he's received the following vaccines: 1 of 5 DTAP, 3 of 4

HIB's, 4 of 4 Prevnar, 3 of 4 Pediartx, 1 of 4 Hep A, and 1 Hep B at birth. 

He's had so many...I feel so sick to my stomach.  I didn't really know too much

about vaccines...just the MMR.  And my daughter is 7 months and the doc

pressured me with the 1 HIB she had but that's all she's had. 

If you need a series of vaccines is it safe to stop mid through?  Will there be

any side effects to stopping the vaccines I've already started?? I hope not. 

If you start to feel overwhelmed, just take a deep breath and remember

that you really don't HAVE to justify your decisions to anyone but

yourself and your children. You are the one ultimately responsible

for keeping your children safe... it's really nobody else's business

...

[Guest guest]

I haven't done it yet but one day I'm just going to calmly say 'why are you

pressuring me? do you feel threatened? " prove to me they work

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

Kitty,

It doesn't sound to me as if you're up against them, but that they're up against

you. You hit every nail right on the head!

Winnie

Re: Why aren't docs against? What will happen if we

stop?

Vaccinations

> ,

>

> i'm in a similar situation; against in-laws & my own family for not

> vaccinating. my father is a retired physician - that fact should

> indicatewhat i'm up against.

>

> my daughter is almost 7 months old. she's had prevnar @ 2 & 4

> months, &

> same w/ rotovirus. no more. the best place to start note taking

> is straight

> from the manufacturer's website! find their product information after

> seeing what brand your pediatrician injects. study what the

> manufacturersays (merck, wyeth, novartis, etc.) - efficacy,

> risks, everything. ask your

> doctor plain questions, exhuding your confidence, such as " Can

> you guarantee

> that my child won't die from this vaccination? can you

> guarantee that my

> child won't be a statistic that I see on the manufacturer's

> charts? " if

> they're in their right mind, they'll say they can't guarantee

> you, but

> they'll more than likely give you reassurance that since your

> child doesn't

> exhibit characteristic x, y, or z that they're not at risk. my

> pediatrician(ex-pediatrician) used scare tactics, saying she's

> had patients die from not

> vaccinating. what they don't tell you is that there are

> different strains

> that exist, aside from what vaccinations protect from.

> breastfeeding is the

> best vaccine, along w/ whole, raw foods & a balanced diet. Hand

> washinghelps immensly.

>

> secondly, take a look at the CDC vaccination schedule - now,

> versus 20 years

> ago. so many more vaccines out now - & they keep coming. i

> can't give

> websites now, but check out google on pharmaceutical lobbyists.

> think about

> how med schools survive - grants from big hospitals, big pharma, etc.

> allopathic physicians are indoctrinated to practice only what

> they have

> learned - few stray from mainstream medical practices.

>

> last but not least, find out that these epidemics of polio &

> whatnot were

> really on the way out before the vaccine came out.

>

> vaccines are corrupt. maybe you could do your pediatrician a

> favor, along

> w/ many of her future patients, if you were able to educate

> yourself enough

> to educate her. maybe she's not aware of how toxic vaccines

> are. There's a

> lot to read. www.nvic.org. dr. sear's -the vaccine guide.- sherri

> tenpenny's -saying no to vaccines.-

>

> good luck

>

> -kitty

>

> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Kehring

> wrote:

> > So, what about this? This another question I have. I must

> defend my

> > decision to my family and friends and need to know how to

> answer this. Ok,

> > so if vaccines, in general, are so bad then why does almost

> everyone in the

> > medical community want our children to get vaccinated? I

> can't think that

> > all doctors are bad?? My Ped seems nice and I don't think

> she's out to get

> > me and my family. And what will happen if we all stopped getting

> > vaccinated? Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a

> 3rd world

> > country if we stop.

> > Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL,

> family,> friends, and doc I need to be prepared to fight. TIA

> >

> >

> > You forgot to mention that she said if parents don't comply

> with mandatory

> >

> > vaccinations (all of them), we will soon be dealing with

> outbreaks of polio

> > and

> >

> > measles.

> >

> > Becca

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The important point here is that you did what you thought was best for

your children given the information you had at the time. You can't

kick yourself for that. You know know better, so just continue to

search for the truth and know that you are STILL doing what is in the

best interest of your children... you just have better information

now.

Not only is it safer to stop mid-through your series of vaccinations,

it's UNSAFE to continue them. Any one of those shots could be your

child's " tipping point " . Stop them now, before you find - all too

late - what that tipping point is. The reason there are so many

rounds of vaccine given to a child is because they really don't work.

They are trying to increase the " effectiveness " of the vaccines by

administering dose after dose after dose.

Every time your child gets a jab, they are getting a plethora of

neurotoxins, antibiotics, live and dead viruses, foreign animal

proteins (monkey, pig, chicken, cow, rat), and even " human diploid

cells " which are derived from the lung tissue of aborted babies. Take

a look at SOME of the ingredients in vaccines:

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table\

-1.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table\

-2.pdf

Incidentally, you should know how well-protected BigPharma is by the

law. For instance, drug manufacturers are not REQUIRED by law to

disclose any ingredient in a vaccine if it is not considered an

" active ingredient " . That means there could be practically ANYTHING

floating around in that syringe and you wouldn't know it. Also, in

1986 a law was passed that protects pharmaceutical companies and

doctors from being liable for any damage or death that a vaccine

(specifically vaccines) cause a person. You cannot sue the doctor or

drug maker if their vaccine harms or kills your child.

One more tidbit for thought. I got this from Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's website at:

http://www.sayingnotovaccines.com/

Private insurance companies, which do the best liability studies, have

totally abandoned coverage for damage to life and property due to:

*Acts of God

*Nuclear war and nuclear power plant accidents

*Vaccination

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Kehring <gizbaby123@...> wrote:

>

> If you need a series of vaccines is it safe to stop mid through? Will there

> be any side effects to stopping the vaccines I've already started?? I hope

> not.

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the big typo there... that should state " You NOW know

better, so just continue to search for the truth... "

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Roberg <trinnea@...> wrote:

You know know better, so just continue to

> search for the truth and know that you are STILL doing what is in the

> best interest of your children... you just have better information

> now.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kitty!

What you wrote was really good. Can I send it to my mom?

I wanted to mention, from my reading, I think polio actually

increased because the polio vaccines were causing that increase.

Also, some people say it was a pesticide that caused these

neurological issues that mimicked polio. It hard to say which. I

don't see why it couldn't be both.

I do agree with your statement that most of the diseases were on a

cyclic decline before the vaccines were given and the vaccines took

the credit.

Regards

Correy

On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:18 PM, E. Tomlinson wrote:

> ,

>

> i'm in a similar situation; against in-laws & my own family for not

> vaccinating. my father is a retired physician - that fact should

> indicate

> what i'm up against.

>

> my daughter is almost 7 months old. she's had prevnar @ 2 & 4

> months, &

> same w/ rotovirus. no more. the best place to start note taking is

> straight

> from the manufacturer's website! find their product information after

> seeing what brand your pediatrician injects. study what the

> manufacturer

> says (merck, wyeth, novartis, etc.) - efficacy, risks, everything.

> ask your

> doctor plain questions, exhuding your confidence, such as " Can you

> guarantee

> that my child won't die from this vaccination? can you guarantee

> that my

> child won't be a statistic that I see on the manufacturer's

> charts? " if

> they're in their right mind, they'll say they can't guarantee you, but

> they'll more than likely give you reassurance that since your child

> doesn't

> exhibit characteristic x, y, or z that they're not at risk. my

> pediatrician

> (ex-pediatrician) used scare tactics, saying she's had patients die

> from not

> vaccinating. what they don't tell you is that there are different

> strains

> that exist, aside from what vaccinations protect from.

> breastfeeding is the

> best vaccine, along w/ whole, raw foods & a balanced diet. Hand

> washing

> helps immensly.

>

> secondly, take a look at the CDC vaccination schedule - now, versus

> 20 years

> ago. so many more vaccines out now - & they keep coming. i can't give

> websites now, but check out google on pharmaceutical lobbyists.

> think about

> how med schools survive - grants from big hospitals, big pharma, etc.

> allopathic physicians are indoctrinated to practice only what they

> have

> learned - few stray from mainstream medical practices.

>

> last but not least, find out that these epidemics of polio &

> whatnot were

> really on the way out before the vaccine came out.

>

> vaccines are corrupt. maybe you could do your pediatrician a favor,

> along

> w/ many of her future patients, if you were able to educate

> yourself enough

> to educate her. maybe she's not aware of how toxic vaccines are.

> There's a

> lot to read. www.nvic.org. dr. sear's -the vaccine guide.- sherri

> tenpenny's -saying no to vaccines.-

>

> good luck

>

> -kitty

>

> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Kehring

> <gizbaby123@...>wrote:

>

> > So, what about this? This another question I have. I must defend my

> > decision to my family and friends and need to know how to answer

> this. Ok,

> > so if vaccines, in general, are so bad then why does almost

> everyone in the

> > medical community want our children to get vaccinated? I can't

> think that

> > all doctors are bad?? My Ped seems nice and I don't think she's

> out to get

> > me and my family. And what will happen if we all stopped getting

> > vaccinated? Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd

> world

> > country if we stop.

> > Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL,

> family,

> > friends, and doc I need to be prepared to fight. TIA

> >

> >

> > You forgot to mention that she said if parents don't comply with

> mandatory

> >

> > vaccinations (all of them), we will soon be dealing with

> outbreaks of polio

> > and

> >

> > measles.

> >

> > Becca

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

thank you winnie & correy!

actually, i was on my way outta the apt. when i saw jennifer's message show

up. i felt obligated to reply, so while my daughter was patiently waiting in

the stroller, watching mama type furiously, i scrambed together the words i

could to portray a point. sure, send it to whoever. spread the word!!

kitty

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Le <kdhrtd@...> wrote:

> Hi Kitty!

>

> What you wrote was really good. Can I send it to my mom?

>

> I wanted to mention, from my reading, I think polio actually

> increased because the polio vaccines were causing that increase.

> Also, some people say it was a pesticide that caused these

> neurological issues that mimicked polio. It hard to say which. I

> don't see why it couldn't be both.

> I do agree with your statement that most of the diseases were on a

> cyclic decline before the vaccines were given and the vaccines took

> the credit.

>

> Regards

> Correy

>

>

> On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:18 PM, E. Tomlinson wrote:

>

> > ,

> >

> > i'm in a similar situation; against in-laws & my own family for not

> > vaccinating. my father is a retired physician - that fact should

> > indicate

> > what i'm up against.

> >

> > my daughter is almost 7 months old. she's had prevnar @ 2 & 4

> > months, &

> > same w/ rotovirus. no more. the best place to start note taking is

> > straight

> > from the manufacturer's website! find their product information after

> > seeing what brand your pediatrician injects. study what the

> > manufacturer

> > says (merck, wyeth, novartis, etc.) - efficacy, risks, everything.

> > ask your

> > doctor plain questions, exhuding your confidence, such as " Can you

> > guarantee

> > that my child won't die from this vaccination? can you guarantee

> > that my

> > child won't be a statistic that I see on the manufacturer's

> > charts? " if

> > they're in their right mind, they'll say they can't guarantee you, but

> > they'll more than likely give you reassurance that since your child

> > doesn't

> > exhibit characteristic x, y, or z that they're not at risk. my

> > pediatrician

> > (ex-pediatrician) used scare tactics, saying she's had patients die

> > from not

> > vaccinating. what they don't tell you is that there are different

> > strains

> > that exist, aside from what vaccinations protect from.

> > breastfeeding is the

> > best vaccine, along w/ whole, raw foods & a balanced diet. Hand

> > washing

> > helps immensly.

> >

> > secondly, take a look at the CDC vaccination schedule - now, versus

> > 20 years

> > ago. so many more vaccines out now - & they keep coming. i can't give

> > websites now, but check out google on pharmaceutical lobbyists.

> > think about

> > how med schools survive - grants from big hospitals, big pharma, etc.

> > allopathic physicians are indoctrinated to practice only what they

> > have

> > learned - few stray from mainstream medical practices.

> >

> > last but not least, find out that these epidemics of polio &

> > whatnot were

> > really on the way out before the vaccine came out.

> >

> > vaccines are corrupt. maybe you could do your pediatrician a favor,

> > along

> > w/ many of her future patients, if you were able to educate

> > yourself enough

> > to educate her. maybe she's not aware of how toxic vaccines are.

> > There's a

> > lot to read. www.nvic.org. dr. sear's -the vaccine guide.- sherri

> > tenpenny's -saying no to vaccines.-

> >

> > good luck

> >

> > -kitty

> >

> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Kehring

> > <gizbaby123@... <gizbaby123%40>>wrote:

> >

> > > So, what about this? This another question I have. I must defend my

> > > decision to my family and friends and need to know how to answer

> > this. Ok,

> > > so if vaccines, in general, are so bad then why does almost

> > everyone in the

> > > medical community want our children to get vaccinated? I can't

> > think that

> > > all doctors are bad?? My Ped seems nice and I don't think she's

> > out to get

> > > me and my family. And what will happen if we all stopped getting

> > > vaccinated? Some argue with me and tell me we will be like a 3rd

> > world

> > > country if we stop.

> > > Sorry for all the questions but if I'm going to fight my MIL,

> > family,

> > > friends, and doc I need to be prepared to fight. TIA

> > >

> > >

> > > You forgot to mention that she said if parents don't comply with

> > mandatory

> > >

> > > vaccinations (all of them), we will soon be dealing with

> > outbreaks of polio

> > > and

> > >

> > > measles.

> > >

> > > Becca

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I enjoyed your response as well! .

Do you know why umbrellas were invented??

Because people would throw their urine and feces out the window onto

the streets where people walked. They used the umbrellas to protect

themselves from the flying poop and pee!! LOL Talk about unsanitary

conditions.....geeze!

correy

On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Roberg wrote:

> Responses to this can get really long-winded. All of these questions

> are very well answered in the book " The Vaccine Manual " by Neil Z.

> . But, here's my attempt to make a very long answer short(er).

> LOL

>

> Of course all doctors are not bad. I'm sure they do truly want to

> help families, not hurt them. It's the sources of their information

> that are to blame. Most allopathic (not all, but MOST) just

> regurgitate what they've been " taught " through medical school text

> books and, when it comes to drugs, their pharmaceutical reps. That

> means that they are relying on the SALES PITCHES of the pharmaceutical

> representatives that represent the manufacturers of any given drug or

> vaccine. It is the sales rep's job to sell the doctor on THEIR

> drug/vaccine, thereby eliminating the competition. Unfortunately, it's

> all for the mighty dollar. Most doctors don't take it upon themselves

> to research past the sales pitch. Some (I'd venture to say most)

> don't even read the package inserts of the drugs or vaccines they

> administer in their offices. If the drug manufacturers weren't in it

> for profit, you'd likely be hearing a completely different story from

> your family doctors and pediatricians.

>

> The truth of the matter is that disease was in rapid decline BEFORE

> any vaccines were introduced, due to better living conditions (i.e.

> indoor plumbing, clean drinking water and refrigeration of food

> stores). Manufacturers of vaccine " hitched a ride " on the already

> declining disease and death rates and started making the claim that it

> was the vaccine that caused the decline... all hype.

>

> This is just a short explanation... there is a huge history behind

> vaccines. My advice would be to start reading on the issue and never

> stop. You shouldn't take ANYONE's word for something that can impact

> your children's lives so greatly... not mine, not your doctors, you

> should research and become comfortable with your decisions based on

> the knowledge you've gained. While you're researching, put off

> vaccines. You can always elect to vaccinate later, after you've

> researched until you're comfortable one way or the other, but you can

> NEVER take back an injection once it's been given.

>

> As far as how to handle your family, friends and doctors, that can be

> tricky. My personal experience is that it's easier to deal with

> friends and strangers about the issue than it is to deal with your own

> family. My family is completely on-board with my decision... my

> inlaws, on the other hand, think ill of me, but we've basically just

> agreed to disagree on the subject to keep peace in the family.

> Incidentally, my DH's nieces and nephews ALL have asthma, allergies

> and three of them have tubes in their ears from chronic inflammation

> in which onset correlated directly to a round of vaccines... my sons

> don't have any respiratory issues or allergies, or health issues at

> all. I don't think vaccines are the ONLY causes of these conditions,

> but they certainly are A cause. As far as doctors... I couldn't care

> less what any doctor tells me on the subject... I've gotten the

> allopathic (regular, mainstream doctors) our of our lives and we deal

> with only chiropractors, homeopaths and natropaths, and midwives for

> childbirth, unless it's an emergency type thing (like my son inhaling

> a pistachio that had to be surgically removed, or a broken bone that

> needs to be set). It's up to you to find your own comfort level on

> these issues, and don't be surprised if your comfort level changes as

> you become more and more educated on the subject. I used to feel like

> I needed to back down and run away anytime someone challenged me on

> the issue, now I stand up and DARE them to challenge me -- even the

> doctors!

>

> If you start to feel overwhelmed, just take a deep breath and remember

> that you really don't HAVE to justify your decisions to anyone but

> yourself and your children. You are the one ultimately responsible

> for keeping your children safe... it's really nobody else's business.

>

> I'm glad you're asking these questions. Good for you for looking for

> the real answers!

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

It is unsafe to continue with the vaccines. The danger isn't with

stopping it is with continuing.

The way you listed the vaccines really shows off how many there are.

Thank God you are learning now what is going on with these vaccines.

Some people never learn. You can still prevent further insults to him.

You did what you thought was best. How can you do more. You didn't

know at the time, now you do.

Best wishes,

correy

On Oct 30, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Kehring wrote:

>

>

> Thank you all sooooooooooooo very much for taking the time out to

> help me! Yes, I DO feel overwhelmed. So, very overwhelmed! I do

> know that I have stopped all vaccines for both children and will

> NOT continue. However, my 1st child, he is 2 1/2 and so far he's

> received the following vaccines: 1 of 5 DTAP, 3 of 4 HIB's, 4 of 4

> Prevnar, 3 of 4 Pediartx, 1 of 4 Hep A, and 1 Hep B at birth. He's

> had so many...I feel so sick to my stomach. I didn't really know

> too much about vaccines...just the MMR. And my daughter is 7

> months and the doc pressured me with the 1 HIB she had but that's

> all she's had.

>

> If you need a series of vaccines is it safe to stop mid through?

> Will there be any side effects to stopping the vaccines I've

> already started?? I hope not.

>

> If you start to feel overwhelmed, just take a deep breath and remember

>

> that you really don't HAVE to justify your decisions to anyone but

>

> yourself and your children. You are the one ultimately responsible

>

> for keeping your children safe... it's really nobody else's business

> ..

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No side effects to stopping except better health. It's perfectly okay to stop at

any time. Nothing bad happens. They didn't work to begin with so they can't stop

working.

I stopped with my older two when they were toddlers, and they are now 16 and 18,

healthy and happy. I actually broke down and let my third son get a tetanus,

came to my senses and refused any more. The ped--very arrogant man--said if you

don't get the rest, the one you got was for nothing. I was stunned, realizing

for sure they don't work. After all, nothing plus nothing is still nothing.

It is overwhelming. There are so many factors it makes my head spin and I've

been looking at this issue for 15 years. I still get as annoyed as the first day

I woke up to the truth.

Winnie

Re: Why aren't docs against? What will happen if we

stop?

Vaccinations

>

>

> Thank you all sooooooooooooo very much for taking the time out

> to help me! Yes, I DO feel overwhelmed. So, very overwhelmed!

> I do know that I have stopped all vaccines for both children and

> will NOT continue. However, my 1st child, he is 2 1/2 and so

> far he's received the following vaccines: 1 of 5 DTAP, 3 of 4

> HIB's, 4 of 4 Prevnar, 3 of 4 Pediartx, 1 of 4 Hep A, and 1 Hep

> B at birth. He's had so many...I feel so sick to my stomach. I

> didn't really know too much about vaccines...just the MMR. And

> my daughter is 7 months and the doc pressured me with the 1 HIB

> she had but that's all she's had.

>

> If you need a series of vaccines is it safe to stop mid

> through? Will there be any side effects to stopping the

> vaccines I've already started?? I hope not.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nicely put, ! I cannot believe insurance companies won't cover damage from

vaccinations. Now there's a story that should be screamed far and wide.

Winnie

> Private insurance companies, which do the best liability

> studies, have

> totally abandoned coverage for damage to life and property due to:

>

> *Acts of God

>

> *Nuclear war and nuclear power plant accidents

>

> *Vaccination

>

>

>

>

>

> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Kehring

> wrote:

>

> >

> > If you need a series of vaccines is it safe to stop mid

> through? Will there

> > be any side effects to stopping the vaccines I've already

> started?? I hope

> > not.

>

[Guest guest]

If someone hasn't mentioned it already, you should really get the book

by Dr. Tenpenny, " Saying No to Vaccines " . The whole first half is

basically the arguments that counter all these common arguments that

you present, so it helps you be able to answer those questions from

well-meaning friends and family. It even comes with a DVD.

Melinda C. in Mass.

[Guest guest]

Also, ,

If you decide after extensive research & your 'gut feelings,' that

vaccinating your children is not in your, or their, best interest, that

you're going to stand up against those that tell you that 'you're doing

wrong my not vaccinating,' then more power to you. However, if you

'concede' against these misinformed (or, UNinformed) individuals that

believe vaccination is the greatest thing since sliced bread, they'll likely

think of you as weak. Stick to your guns, woman. They'll probably think you

realized they were right, when in reality, they're off the hook!

Randall Neustaedter has a book as well, he's a holistic pediatrician here in

the SF Bay Area. His book is called " The Vaccine Guide: Risks & Benefits

for Children & Adults. " Visit his website, www.cure-guide.com for further

information.

Sherri Tenpenny has some videos on youtube. Just search youtube for her

name & you'll find something to watch while you eat your lunch or something

- meaning, they're relatively short.

kitty

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:20 PM, spanishmiss430

<spanishmiss430@...>wrote:

> If someone hasn't mentioned it already, you should really get the book

> by Dr. Tenpenny, " Saying No to Vaccines " . The whole first half is

> basically the arguments that counter all these common arguments that

> you present, so it helps you be able to answer those questions from

> well-meaning friends and family. It even comes with a DVD.

>

> Melinda C. in Mass.

>

>

>

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