Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

[Guest guest]

I have wondered this myself! I have three children, 2 of which are

vaxed on time.

My newest child is 9.5 months old, and has been much more advanced at

an earlier age, compared to my older two.

We have not vaxed her at all. She is completely breastfed, and eats

organic baby foods and yogurt.

She has been pulling up and standing on her own since she was about 7

months,and She started crawling at this age...much earlier than my

other two, which did not crawl until 8-9 months. And both older

children did not walk until over a year.

My husband and I both noticed how much more alert she was, and much

less fussy she was early on. Could this just be a coincidence? I

don't think so....I really believe it has to do with not vaxing!

Colleen~

>

> I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in our

> environment every day. All three of my children have been early on

> some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her development.

> She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up, and

say

> numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is completely

> unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how many of

> you have noticed a significant difference in the early development of

> your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm rather

> the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies were

> unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome food.

>

[Guest guest]

My 9 month old is unvaxed, just last week I had to supplement on

occassion with organic formula, before then totally breastfed

(pumped), eats organic homemade baby food and Earth's Best organic

jar food. He scooted, crawled, and stood up before his classmates.

Learned to sit up last instead of first. Too busy traveling the

house to sit up I guess. He has had a PT, OT, and speech eval,

because of where I work I can get that. Doesn't qualify for

anything. YEA! When he gets the colds or bugs going around the class

or school he recovers in half the time of his classmates and fights

it all off without meds or antibiotics. All the other kids have

doctors that insist on antibiotics and over the counter meds. I am

pleased with my baby's health so far. My 11 year old has vaccine

induced autism, was breastfed for a few months, had commercial baby

food and ended up on typical commercial formula. He doesn't get sick

much, but with the autism he doesn't have the greatest diet. I do

all the biomed interventions with him that I can do managing money

and the red tape of getting doctors to let me do what needs to be

done. I wish I had known what I know now to have done better for my

11 year old.

April

> >

> > I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> > schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in

our

> > environment every day. All three of my children have been early

on

> > some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her

development.

> > She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up,

and

> say

> > numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is

completely

> > unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how

many of

> > you have noticed a significant difference in the early

development of

> > your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm

rather

> > the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies

were

> > unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome

food.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:44:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

bpkbiz@... writes:

I was just wondering how many of

you have noticed a significant difference in the early development of

your unvaxed children.

is 2 1/2 and completely unvaxed. At 5 1/2 months she was also sitting

up, crawling, and pulling herself up to standing. She did not have the

speech at 5 1/2 months. By 14 months she did have well over 100 words in her

vocab, and was using simple 2-3 word sentences. She is now 2 1/2 and is

reading! I'm so excited for her. I think there is probably a big difference

like

you said. the norm many years ago is not the same today, b/c of all the

delays in development. This is seen as the norm. Sounds like your baby is

doing

great. keep up the good work.

Holly

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[Guest guest]

My husband thinks I'm crazy for thinking this, so I'm glad I'm not the

only one who has noticed this! Both of my kids are non-vaxed,

extended breastfeeding, holistic healthcare only but my youngest is

much more advanced than my older one. With my first I had an awful OB

for the first six months. I was bullied into the Rhogam shot, wasn't

educated on proper nutrition and ended up delivering her at 36wks. I

did switch to a midwife at 30wks but damage was already done. I did

pass on all the crap after she was born. She was late crawling,

rolling over, standing up and speech delayed. She did start walking

the week of her first birthday. In the beginning she was eating

jarred baby food but organic. Then I started making her organic food.

With my second pregnancy I started seeing a midwife from the

beginning. Declined the Rhogam during pregnancy and then all other

crap after his birth. My son started crawling, rolling over and

standing at 7mo. By 10mo was walking and talking. He is much more

advanced than his peers. All the kids in our playgroup are vaxed and

I noticed their speech is delayed and motor skills aren't as

developed. Many of them were late walking and seem " clumsy " to me. A

few of the boys have a glazed look in their eyes or as my husband

says, " lights are on but no one is home " . I've noticed more of a

delay in vaxed boys than vaxed girls with the exception of speech.

I've noticed speech delays in both sexes.

[Guest guest]

both of my kids are unvaxed.  my oldest was WAY advanced in EVERYTHING (except

walking) and still is to this day.  my youngest--was shoved with antibiotics her

whole life and now at the age of 3 has asthma!  she has mild hyptonia, had the

chicken pox at 8 mths old, had MRSA at a year old (put on antibiotics for both

b/c chicken pox got infected and then on SEPTRA for MRSA).  i contribute most of

her problems to the antibiotics though.  she was breastfed until 8 mths old. 

she is delayed in ALL areas and always has been.    kim

From: veronicalee97 <veronicalee97@...>

Subject: Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

Vaccinations

Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 11:11 AM

My 9 month old is unvaxed, just last week I had to supplement on

occassion with organic formula, before then totally breastfed

(pumped), eats organic homemade baby food and Earth's Best organic

jar food. He scooted, crawled, and stood up before his classmates.

Learned to sit up last instead of first. Too busy traveling the

house to sit up I guess. He has had a PT, OT, and speech eval,

because of where I work I can get that. Doesn't qualify for

anything. YEA! When he gets the colds or bugs going around the class

or school he recovers in half the time of his classmates and fights

it all off without meds or antibiotics. All the other kids have

doctors that insist on antibiotics and over the counter meds. I am

pleased with my baby's health so far. My 11 year old has vaccine

induced autism, was breastfed for a few months, had commercial baby

food and ended up on typical commercial formula. He doesn't get sick

much, but with the autism he doesn't have the greatest diet. I do

all the biomed interventions with him that I can do managing money

and the red tape of getting doctors to let me do what needs to be

done. I wish I had known what I know now to have done better for my

11 year old.

April

> >

> > I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> > schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in

our

> > environment every day. All three of my children have been early

on

> > some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her

development.

> > She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up,

and

> say

> > numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is

completely

> > unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how

many of

> > you have noticed a significant difference in the early

development of

> > your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm

rather

> > the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies

were

> > unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome

food.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, like you said all babies are different, even within families that

do the exact same things with their children. However, some parents do

notice big differences between vaxed/unvaxed. My son is unvaxed,

brestfed 3 months and then on a raw milk formuala, has always been

strong, sat up real soon, crawled at 6 1/2 months, walked at 10 months,

now is 18 months and using about 40 words. I don't know if this is

average or not, I only have this one. My nephew however was pretty

late in everything, walked and talked real late and is fully vaccinated

and now has ADD. My husband was not vaccinated at all and was very

early in walking and talking, his brother, vaccinated in everything,

was very slow. I'm sure vaccines given to the baby and meds and

vaccines that the mom was taking during pregnancy and her diet have a

lot to do with the child's development, it would only make sense. I

mean, if a mother drinks lots of alcohol or caffeine during pregnancy

the effects will be there in the child. If an infant is in a home with

heavy smokers, the effects will be evident there too. So, yeah, food,

vaccine, and meds and toxins have to have an effect too.

I also want to say that when I was 12 months I was not speaking or

walking yet (30 years ago) and my Mom and relatives were so concerned

that I wasn't doing that stuff yet that they were begging my Mom to

take me to a doctor and have me checked out. Now, even way past 12

months seems to be considered normal.

Vida

>

> I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in our

> environment every day. All three of my children have been early on

> some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her development.

> She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up, and

say

> numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is completely

> unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how many of

> you have noticed a significant difference in the early development of

> your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm rather

> the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies were

> unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome food.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, babies are doing things at a much later age today. Just 14 years

ago (when my teenager was an infant) it was known that your child

should be walking by 12 mo. of age. Now, pediatricians say 15-18 mo.

old. They have a dumbed down milestone chart to go by for all areas of

developmental. The sad thing is, delays are usually a good indicator

of future problems to come - learning disabilities and ADD/ADHD.

>

> I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in our

> environment every day. All three of my children have been early on

> some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her development.

> She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up, and

say

> numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is completely

> unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how many of

> you have noticed a significant difference in the early development of

> your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm rather

> the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies were

> unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome food.

>

[Guest guest]

I have 4 kiddos ages 7,5,2 and 7 months. My first two were vaccinated

up to ages 2 and 4. Both had reflux as infants and were very cranky,

high maintance babies. My now 5 year old was put on allergy meds,

reflux meds and a " preventative " antibiotic for urinary reflux. My

oldest was only on the reflux meds, but was constantly prescribed

antibiotics for sinus infections...and x-rays to diagnose this. We

ditched this pediatrican once we quit vaxing. They both were breastfed

for a year and fed mostly organic foods. They are both very

active...almost hyper at times.

My last two were not vaxed (except my third the hep b in the hospital

before I knew better and I had had a flu shot while pregnant with her)

and both birthed naturally. One at a hospital and my last a water

birth. My 4th who has had NO interventions AT ALL is now 7 months and

started crawling at 6 1/2 months where as the others were older. She

and my third have been the best babies. My third wound up with a cold

a few weeks after delivery (I attribute it to the hep but otherwise

has been a very healthy calm baby. My fourth is the exact same way. I

definitely notice a difference in the baby phase between my vaxed and

non vaxed kids. My son is 7 now and seems to be struggling some with

reading (we homeschool). My daughter (5) seems to be learning much

quicker (but hear that's common for girls but still is a little hyper

and has low blood sugar. My 3rd and 4th have had NO reflux or health

issues.

Before I woke to the vaccine nightmare I had begun seeking help for my

oldest two as something just didn't seem right. I weaned my 5 year old

(then 2) off all her meds., changed her diet drastically and started

seeing a chiropractor. I truly believe these things have healed her.

She also fell ALOT as a toddler and had 3 head injuries. I finally

feel at peace with her after fretting over her health for her first two

years. I praise God that I became aware of the vaccine connection when

I did, otherwise it's likely that I would have exacerbated her

problems. I just pray that there are no long-term reprocussions which

remains to be seen.

So yes, I do see a difference between the vaxed and unvaxed... in my

own family.

Alice

>

> I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in our

> environment every day. All three of my children have been early on

> some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her development.

> She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up, and

say

> numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is completely

> unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how many of

> you have noticed a significant difference in the early development of

> your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm rather

> the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies were

> unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome food.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow--I did not know that, Dawn. You're right, my oldest was walking at 12-13

months (can't remember with the others except I don't recall worrying about the

timing). I was very aware of all the schedules for everything back then and he

was on target.

Winnie

Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

Vaccinations

> Yes, babies are doing things at a much later age today. Just 14

> years

> ago (when my teenager was an infant) it was known that your

> child

> should be walking by 12 mo. of age. Now, pediatricians say 15-

> 18 mo.

> old. They have a dumbed down milestone chart to go by for all

> areas of

> developmental. The sad thing is, delays are usually a good

> indicator

> of future problems to come - learning disabilities and ADD/ADHD.

>

>

>

> >

> > I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> > schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins

> in our

> > environment every day. All three of my children have been

> early on

> > some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her

> development.

> > She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up,

> and

> say

> > numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is

> completely

> > unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how

> many of

> > you have noticed a significant difference in the early

> development of

> > your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm

> rather

> > the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all

> babies were

> > unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and

> wholesome food.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if I buy into the non-vax and develop early idea.

Although that would be great. My little one was only vaxed with the

2 and 4 month vaxes. She was only 4 days early. And she is talking a

lot...and has been since she was wee little...but her crawling came

late (not until after her 1st birthday) and she just started walking,

literally this past week. She is 18 months old. However, she knows her

colors, shapes, and patterns already. So I guess her mental ability is

higher than a lot in her age group but not the physical. She eats

organically and doesn't eat junk food. (okay, maybe the occasional

vanilla ice cream treat, but not much else). I don't know...I think

babies just develop how they want to and in their own time. But I

congratulate everyone on their little ones' achievements!

> >

> > >

> > > I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> > > schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in

> our

> > > environment every day. All three of my children have been early

> on

> > > some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her

> development.

> > > She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up,

> and

> > say

> > > numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is

> completely

> > > unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how

> many of

> > > you have noticed a significant difference in the early

> development of

> > > your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm

> rather

> > > the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies

> were

> > > unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome

> food.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard something about boys being more affected by the mercury because of

testosterone. Funny about you noticing the speech delay is the same for boys and

girls (if I interpreted that correctly). Girls are usually ahead of boys in this

area, so a delay for them would mean being equal to the boys. Very interesting

observation.

Winnie

Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

Vaccinations

> My husband thinks I'm crazy for thinking this, so I'm glad I'm

> not the

> only one who has noticed this! Both of my kids are non-vaxed,

> extended breastfeeding, holistic healthcare only but my youngest is

> much more advanced than my older one. With my first I had an

> awful OB

> for the first six months. I was bullied into the Rhogam shot, wasn't

> educated on proper nutrition and ended up delivering her at

> 36wks. I

> did switch to a midwife at 30wks but damage was already done. I did

> pass on all the crap after she was born. She was late crawling,

> rolling over, standing up and speech delayed. She did start walking

> the week of her first birthday. In the beginning she was eating

> jarred baby food but organic. Then I started making her organic

> food.

>

> With my second pregnancy I started seeing a midwife from the

> beginning. Declined the Rhogam during pregnancy and then all other

> crap after his birth. My son started crawling, rolling over and

> standing at 7mo. By 10mo was walking and talking. He is much more

> advanced than his peers. All the kids in our playgroup are

> vaxed and

> I noticed their speech is delayed and motor skills aren't as

> developed. Many of them were late walking and seem " clumsy " to

> me. A

> few of the boys have a glazed look in their eyes or as my husband

> says, " lights are on but no one is home " . I've noticed more of a

> delay in vaxed boys than vaxed girls with the exception of

> speech.

> I've noticed speech delays in both sexes.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I suggest staying away from peds for the asthma and look for an alternative doc.

I've been there--you are right about the antibiotics.

Winnie

Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental

> milestonesVaccinations

> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 11:11 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My 9 month old is unvaxed, just last week I had to supplement on

> occassion with organic formula, before then totally breastfed

> (pumped), eats organic homemade baby food and Earth's Best

> organic

> jar food. He scooted, crawled, and stood up before his

> classmates.

> Learned to sit up last instead of first. Too busy traveling the

> house to sit up I guess. He has had a PT, OT, and speech eval,

> because of where I work I can get that. Doesn't qualify for

> anything. YEA! When he gets the colds or bugs going around the

> class

> or school he recovers in half the time of his classmates and

> fights

> it all off without meds or antibiotics. All the other kids have

> doctors that insist on antibiotics and over the counter meds. I

> am

> pleased with my baby's health so far. My 11 year old has vaccine

> induced autism, was breastfed for a few months, had commercial

> baby

> food and ended up on typical commercial formula. He doesn't get

> sick

> much, but with the autism he doesn't have the greatest diet. I

> do

> all the biomed interventions with him that I can do managing

> money

> and the red tape of getting doctors to let me do what needs to

> be

> done. I wish I had known what I know now to have done better for

> my

> 11 year old.

> April

>

> > >

> > > I know that all babies are different, and develop on their

> own

> > > schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins

> in

> our

> > > environment every day. All three of my children have been

> early

> on

> > > some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her

> development.

> > > She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand

> up,

> and

> > say

> > > numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is

> completely

> > > unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how

> many of

> > > you have noticed a significant difference in the early

> development of

> > > your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the

> norm

> rather

> > > the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all

> babies

> were

> > > unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and

> wholesome

> food.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

- your little one sounds like my twins (unvaxed) EXACTLY!

Very smart but slower than others with walking. They just started

walking exclusively at around 17 months, but had been pulling

themselves up and walking with push toys and cruising furniture

since 11 months. It almost seemed like they were too lazy to make

the effort to walk since they got to where they were going so much

faster with crawling. Whether that is a 'sign' of issues to come

like others have said, I guess we won't know until later. But I

think it's like you said - every child is different and shouldn't be

compared apples to apples...every situation/household is different.

Just do your best as a parent and that's all that matters!!

>

> I don't know if I buy into the non-vax and develop early idea.

> Although that would be great. My little one was only vaxed with

the

> 2 and 4 month vaxes. She was only 4 days early. And she is talking

a

> lot...and has been since she was wee little...but her crawling came

> late (not until after her 1st birthday) and she just started

walking,

> literally this past week. She is 18 months old. However, she knows

her

> colors, shapes, and patterns already. So I guess her mental

ability is

> higher than a lot in her age group but not the physical. She eats

> organically and doesn't eat junk food. (okay, maybe the occasional

> vanilla ice cream treat, but not much else). I don't know...I think

> babies just develop how they want to and in their own time. But I

> congratulate everyone on their little ones' achievements!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He sounds pretty advanced for the crawling/walking. Mine were just sitting up at

6 months, except for one who sat up, crawled and pulled himself to a standing

position within one week. I can't remember about the words at 18 months, but 40

sounds pretty good.

Wine

Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

Vaccinations

> Hi, like you said all babies are different, even within families

> that

> do the exact same things with their children. However, some

> parents do

> notice big differences between vaxed/unvaxed. My son is

> unvaxed,

> brestfed 3 months and then on a raw milk formuala, has always

> been

> strong, sat up real soon, crawled at 6 1/2 months, walked at 10

> months,

> now is 18 months and using about 40 words. I don't know if this

> is

> average or not, I only have this one. My nephew however was

> pretty

> late in everything, walked and talked real late and is fully

> vaccinated

> and now has ADD. My husband was not vaccinated at all and was

> very

> early in walking and talking, his brother, vaccinated in

> everything,

> was very slow. I'm sure vaccines given to the baby and meds and

> vaccines that the mom was taking during pregnancy and her diet

> have a

> lot to do with the child's development, it would only make

> sense. I

> mean, if a mother drinks lots of alcohol or caffeine during

> pregnancy

> the effects will be there in the child. If an infant is in a

> home with

> heavy smokers, the effects will be evident there too. So, yeah,

> food,

> vaccine, and meds and toxins have to have an effect too.

> I also want to say that when I was 12 months I was not speaking

> or

> walking yet (30 years ago) and my Mom and relatives were so

> concerned

> that I wasn't doing that stuff yet that they were begging my Mom

> to

> take me to a doctor and have me checked out. Now, even way past

> 12

> months seems to be considered normal.

> Vida

>

>

> >

> > I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

> > schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins

> in our

> > environment every day. All three of my children have been

> early on

> > some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her

> development.

> > She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up,

> and

> say

> > numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is

> completely

> > unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how

> many of

> > you have noticed a significant difference in the early

> development of

> > your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm

> rather

> > the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all

> babies were

> > unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and

> wholesome food.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's sounds as if she put all her energies into her mental development. It will

be interesting to see if how the physical development turns out, if she does the

same thing there.

Winnie

Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

Vaccinations

> I don't know if I buy into the non-vax and develop early idea.

> Although that would be great. My little one was only vaxed

> with the

> 2 and 4 month vaxes. She was only 4 days early. And she is

> talking a

> lot...and has been since she was wee little...but her crawling came

> late (not until after her 1st birthday) and she just started walking,

> literally this past week. She is 18 months old. However, she

> knows her

> colors, shapes, and patterns already. So I guess her mental

> ability is

> higher than a lot in her age group but not the physical. She eats

> organically and doesn't eat junk food. (okay, maybe the occasional

> vanilla ice cream treat, but not much else). I don't know...I think

> babies just develop how they want to and in their own time. But I

> congratulate everyone on their little ones' achievements!

>

>

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I know that all babies are different, and develop on their

> own

> > > > schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous

> toxins in

> > our

> > > > environment every day. All three of my children have been

> early

> > on

> > > > some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her

> > development.

> > > > She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand

> up,

> > and

> > > say

> > > > numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is

> > completely

> > > > unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering

> how

> > many of

> > > > you have noticed a significant difference in the early

> > development of

> > > > your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the

> norm

> > rather

> > > > the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all

> babies

> > were

> > > > unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and

> wholesome

> > food.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Yes, babies are doing things at a much later age today. Just 14

years

> ago (when my teenager was an infant) it was known that your child

> should be walking by 12 mo. of age. Now, pediatricians say 15-18 mo.

> old.

Very interesting. Both my brother and I grew up in Eastern Europe and

were fully vaxed (in the 70s and 80s). I walked by 11 mos, my brother

by 13 (he was much bigger than me).

My now 4 year old walked right around 12 mos. He pretty much did

everything on schedule (or should I say the ped's/books' schedule).

Each baby is different, so you can't really make a blanket statement.

However, having a good diet, BF, reducing/eliminating toxins, etc.

certainly can't hurt.

Magda

[Guest guest]

> Yes, babies are doing things at a much later age today. Just 14

years

> ago (when my teenager was an infant) it was known that your child

> should be walking by 12 mo. of age. Now, pediatricians say 15-18 mo.

> old.

Very interesting. Both my brother and I grew up in Eastern Europe and

were fully vaxed (in the 70s and 80s). I walked by 11 mos, my brother

by 13 (he was much bigger than me).

My now 4 year old walked right around 12 mos. He pretty much did

everything on schedule (or should I say the ped's/books' schedule).

Each baby is different, so you can't really make a blanket statement.

However, having a good diet, BF, reducing/eliminating toxins, etc.

certainly can't hurt.

Magda

[Guest guest]

I totally agree!! I walked at 9 months, brother 1 11mths, sister 10,

brother 2 12mths, brother 3 14 mths.

My kids- boy 14 mths (totally vaxed AGGGHHH), girl 11 mths (partially

vaxed), boy (adopted and OVER VAXED) 19 mths, girl 12mths (partially

vaxed), girl 10 mths (never been stabbed!). Gonna watch this next

one to see as we are never again vaxing!!!

Magda is right every child IS different andf there are many things

that come into play. Like diet, bonding, etc. But it is very

interesting to see comparisions bewteen the vaxed kids and the non.

>

> > Yes, babies are doing things at a much later age today. Just 14

> years

> > ago (when my teenager was an infant) it was known that your child

> > should be walking by 12 mo. of age. Now, pediatricians say 15-18

mo.

> > old.

>

> Very interesting. Both my brother and I grew up in Eastern Europe

and

> were fully vaxed (in the 70s and 80s). I walked by 11 mos, my

brother

> by 13 (he was much bigger than me).

> My now 4 year old walked right around 12 mos. He pretty much did

> everything on schedule (or should I say the ped's/books' schedule).

> Each baby is different, so you can't really make a blanket

statement.

> However, having a good diet, BF, reducing/eliminating toxins, etc.

> certainly can't hurt.

> Magda

>

[Guest guest]

i have 2 daughters---both UNVAXED.  my oldest is as bright as a whip and

advanced in all areas.  my youngest (age 3) is delayed in gross motor and speech

AND has hypotonia!!  i am starting to wonder IF they gave her any type of

vaccination in the hospital (although i REFUSED them they DID come in my room

one time wheeling her out and i spoke up and asked what they were doing and they

told me they were taking her down for the HEP   i had to CONSTANTLY remind

them i didn't want ANY vaccinations.  i did notice the hypotonia around 3 mths

old --floppy when i would pick her up to nurse.  the only thing i can contribute

it too---i was on IV antibiotics for HOURS during labor b.c i had group b

strep.  then, when she was 2 mths old, i got mastitis and took an antibiotic so

that went to her as well.  8 mths old---she got the chicken pox (YIPEEE) THE

REAL ONES!!  had MRSA at a year old on her skin so she was on MORE antibiotics

(STRONG ones this time)

and has been off/on antibiotics ever since b.c she aspirates some when drinking

thin liquids and it leads to pneumonia.  she also has TERRIBLE asthma.  we have

started seeing a DAN dr for her (although she does NOT have autism)  he said he

can help her b/c she has all the underlying issues of kids with autism and told

us HAD we vaccinated---he feels we would be dealing with autism!  kim

From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

Vaccinations

Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:54 PM

I have heard something about boys being more affected by the mercury because of

testosterone. Funny about you noticing the speech delay is the same for boys and

girls (if I interpreted that correctly). Girls are usually ahead of boys in this

area, so a delay for them would mean being equal to the boys. Very interesting

observation.

Winnie

Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

Vaccinations

> My husband thinks I'm crazy for thinking this, so I'm glad I'm

> not the

> only one who has noticed this! Both of my kids are non-vaxed,

> extended breastfeeding, holistic healthcare only but my youngest is

> much more advanced than my older one. With my first I had an

> awful OB

> for the first six months. I was bullied into the Rhogam shot, wasn't

> educated on proper nutrition and ended up delivering her at

> 36wks. I

> did switch to a midwife at 30wks but damage was already done. I did

> pass on all the crap after she was born. She was late crawling,

> rolling over, standing up and speech delayed. She did start walking

> the week of her first birthday. In the beginning she was eating

> jarred baby food but organic. Then I started making her organic

> food.

>

> With my second pregnancy I started seeing a midwife from the

> beginning. Declined the Rhogam during pregnancy and then all other

> crap after his birth. My son started crawling, rolling over and

> standing at 7mo. By 10mo was walking and talking. He is much more

> advanced than his peers. All the kids in our playgroup are

> vaxed and

> I noticed their speech is delayed and motor skills aren't as

> developed. Many of them were late walking and seem " clumsy " to

> me. A

> few of the boys have a glazed look in their eyes or as my husband

> says, " lights are on but no one is home " . I've noticed more of a

> delay in vaxed boys than vaxed girls with the exception of

> speech.

> I've noticed speech delays in both sexes.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:15 AM 12/17/2008, you wrote:

>i have 2 daughters---both UNVAXED. my oldest is as bright as a whip

>and advanced in all areas. my youngest (age 3) is delayed in gross

>motor and speech AND has hypotonia!! i am starting to wonder IF

>they gave her any type of vaccination in the hospital (although i

>REFUSED them they DID come in my room one time wheeling her out and

>i spoke up and asked what they were doing and they told me they were

>taking her down for the HEP i had to CONSTANTLY remind them i

>didn't want ANY vaccinations. i did notice the hypotonia around 3

>mths old --floppy when i would pick her up to nurse. the only thing

>i can contribute it too---i was on IV antibiotics for HOURS during

>labor b.c i had group b strep. then, when she was 2 mths old, i got

>mastitis and took an antibiotic so that went to her as well. 8 mths

>old---she got the chicken pox (YIPEEE) THE REAL ONES!! had MRSA at

>a year old on her skin so she was on MORE antibiotics (STRONG ones this time)

> and has been off/on antibiotics ever since b.c she aspirates some

> when drinking thin liquids and it leads to pneumonia. she also has

> TERRIBLE asthma. we have started seeing a DAN dr for her (although

> she does NOT have autism) he said he can help her b/c she has all

> the underlying issues of kids with autism and told us HAD we

> vaccinated---he feels we would be dealing with autism! kim

Hi Kim,

I'm so sorry to hear about your youngest.

It is very likely she did get the hep b - can you get her hospital records.

And we see autism in some cases after IV antibiotics and antibiotics

via breatsmilk and other.

Just the antibiotics alone can cause this.

Also treatment by a homeopath could help very much too.

Sheri

>

>

>From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>

>Subject: Re: Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

>Vaccinations

>Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:54 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>I have heard something about boys being more affected by the mercury

>because of testosterone. Funny about you noticing the speech delay

>is the same for boys and girls (if I interpreted that correctly).

>Girls are usually ahead of boys in this area, so a delay for them

>would mean being equal to the boys. Very interesting observation.

>

>Winnie

>

> Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental milestones

>Vaccinations

>

> > My husband thinks I'm crazy for thinking this, so I'm glad I'm

> > not the

> > only one who has noticed this! Both of my kids are non-vaxed,

> > extended breastfeeding, holistic healthcare only but my youngest is

> > much more advanced than my older one. With my first I had an

> > awful OB

> > for the first six months. I was bullied into the Rhogam shot, wasn't

> > educated on proper nutrition and ended up delivering her at

> > 36wks. I

> > did switch to a midwife at 30wks but damage was already done. I did

> > pass on all the crap after she was born. She was late crawling,

> > rolling over, standing up and speech delayed. She did start walking

> > the week of her first birthday. In the beginning she was eating

> > jarred baby food but organic. Then I started making her organic

> > food.

> >

> > With my second pregnancy I started seeing a midwife from the

> > beginning. Declined the Rhogam during pregnancy and then all other

> > crap after his birth. My son started crawling, rolling over and

> > standing at 7mo. By 10mo was walking and talking. He is much more

> > advanced than his peers. All the kids in our playgroup are

> > vaxed and

> > I noticed their speech is delayed and motor skills aren't as

> > developed. Many of them were late walking and seem " clumsy " to

> > me. A

> > few of the boys have a glazed look in their eyes or as my husband

> > says, " lights are on but no one is home " . I've noticed more of a

> > delay in vaxed boys than vaxed girls with the exception of

> > speech.

> > I've noticed speech delays in both sexes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Antibiotics and asthma--yes, there would be a connection there. The antibiotics

screw up the immune system and the body reacts with allergies/asthma, etc. Good

that you're seeing a DAN doc.

I also wondered if my second son had the Hep B in the hospital, even though I

was told they didn't have the vaccine in our area yet. That's the only reason I

think he probably didn't. However, I did check the records anyway a few years

ago. The ped had the hospital records in their files and it did not show him

getting it. You might want to check, too, if you haven't already. It might put

your mind at ease.

Winnie

Re: Non-vaxed babies and developmental

> milestonesVaccinations

>

> > My husband thinks I'm crazy for thinking this, so I'm glad I'm

> > not the

> > only one who has noticed this! Both of my kids are non-vaxed,

> > extended breastfeeding, holistic healthcare only but my

> youngest is

> > much more advanced than my older one. With my first I had an

> > awful OB

> > for the first six months. I was bullied into the Rhogam shot, wasn't

> > educated on proper nutrition and ended up delivering her at

> > 36wks. I

> > did switch to a midwife at 30wks but damage was already done.

> I did

> > pass on all the crap after she was born. She was late crawling,

> > rolling over, standing up and speech delayed. She did start walking

> > the week of her first birthday. In the beginning she was eating

> > jarred baby food but organic. Then I started making her

> organic

> > food.

> >

> > With my second pregnancy I started seeing a midwife from the

> > beginning. Declined the Rhogam during pregnancy and then all other

> > crap after his birth. My son started crawling, rolling over and

> > standing at 7mo. By 10mo was walking and talking. He is much more

> > advanced than his peers. All the kids in our playgroup are

> > vaxed and

> > I noticed their speech is delayed and motor skills aren't as

> > developed. Many of them were late walking and seem " clumsy " to

> > me. A

> > few of the boys have a glazed look in their eyes or as my husband

> > says, " lights are on but no one is home " . I've noticed more of a

> > delay in vaxed boys than vaxed girls with the exception of

> > speech.

> > I've noticed speech delays in both sexes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wish the same were true here. My oldest is almost 3 and smart as could be. She

always

been advanced in all areas except speech. We signed and she started talking at

18

months. She has hepb at birth and nothing else. She's been on 2 courses of

antibiotics,

breastfed until 21 months old, and eats well.

My 7 month old has a cognitive delay that's not yet diagnosed. She got vitamin

k, no

vax's, no drugs during birth, no antibiotics, is exclusively breastfed; had

local anestesia at

2 months to remove polydactyly. I think she was likely born with whatever is

causing this

though, but I certainly won't be subjecting her brain to poison!

Steph

I know that all babies are different, and develop on their own

schedules. I am also aware that we encounter numerous toxins in our

environment every day. All three of my children have been early on

some things, but my youngest is quite surprising in her development.

She is just over 5 1/2 months and can sit up, crawl, stand up, and say

numerous words. I had an unexpected UC with her, she is completely

unvaxed, and exclusively breastfed. I was just wondering how many of

you have noticed a significant difference in the early development of

your unvaxed children. I am also curious if this was the norm rather

the exception years ago when births were unmedicated, all babies were

unvaxed and nursed by mothers who had clean water and wholesome food.

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