Re: Well visits

December 17, 2008

There is a grouo in MI

www.momvaccines.org

it is 15 bucks per year to be a member, has doctor refferals if

you call and ask. There is a ped group in Ann Arbor that looked

awesome to me but its too far for us.

as for support, this group has done wonders for me, and it gets easier

as your kids get older and you see how well they are doing.

Diane in MI

>

> I have done selective/delayed/1 at a time vaccinations on my 3 yr old

> DD and my 4 mo old has had none. The 3 yr old thank God has had no

> reactions to the shots thus far that I am aware of but I truly wasn't

> comfortable with getting any; most were given out of guilt by Drs. and

> she has not had any since she was 18 mo old.

>

> I have come along way in 3 years and now have no problem signing that

> vaccine waiver form. HOwever, now that both girls are due for well

> visits I have a sick feeling in my stomach about taking them. I

> actually made appointments and canceled them both! Should I take them?

> Am I terrible if I don't? I weighed/measured the baby and she is

> growing at the same rate as her sister and both girls seem healthy to

> me. My oldest just got her first real sickness in 3 yrs. (a mini flu

> bug) thats it!. How can I best meet the needs of my kids without the

> pressures of living by the medical model? Does anyone have/know any

> Naturopaths (sp) in MI or how one might become one, take classes,

> anything would be helpful. I want to help my children have strong

> healthy bodies but also realize that there is a time and place for

> medicine. My question is when and how do you find support when its

> needed?

>

December 17, 2008

You don't have to go if you don't want to. I only go to check

height/weight and if there's something I missed (like with bones,

inside the ears, etc).

Never ever sign that form. Never. You are not obliged in any way to

sign it. If you dread they ask you to, print out the form they offer

at Mothering.com that says vaccines are completely safe and the doc

takes all responsibility for what happens afterward - no doc will ever

sign this and it will shut them up (sorry for the coarse language). I

can't find the link, but dig a little there...

December 17, 2008

I do a combination of things. I took my son to all his well-visits

until he was 2 (the ped is nonvax friendly; his wife is a

chiropractor). Then I stopped. We started going to a chiro regularly at

this time and after all these well visits I decided they were pretty

much pointless since wasn't vaxed at all. During the entire 2

years, I only took him there once when he was actually sick and was

seen w/o fuss. FYI: this doctor does not separate healthy and sick

children in the waiting room - I really didn't like that.

is now 4. He has only seen his ped twice in the last 2 years: once

for an ear infection that I wound up clearing up with chiro visits and

garlic oil and another time for some school forms. We go to a chiro

weekly.

You have to do what you're comfortable with. Some do well visits, some

don't. I do have a homeopath and a naturopath I can turn to if I need

to. The ped is always there if I need him. If it's a true emergency,

I'd probably just go straight to the ER.

Hope this helps you some - good luck in making your decision,

Magda

December 17, 2008

On the Allopath side a copy of Mendelsohn M.D. " How to raise

a healthy child in spite of your doctor " book will give excellent advice

on childhood illness. On the health side a book by Harvey Diamond

or Bragg just to name two, will teach you how to ween your self away from

doctors

and be your own doctor which should be the goal of every thinking

person. The only time one needs an Allopath is during crises or trauma.

I haven't been to a doctor in over 40 years, and outside of an aspirin never

taken an anti(against) biotic(life). As Dr. Herbert Shelton said(not an

Allopath)

one builds health by healthful living.

P.S. The sick feeling you get is an inner intelligence telling you something.

I have noticed a lot of women experience that, but tend to ignor it over the

scare tactics of the enstein group.( Allopaths)

Let that higher power guide you. You will get lots of support and guidence

from this list. The sooner you understand this vaccine insanity, the sooner you

can begin to help others

see the light.

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D.

Shots in body's are dangerous

and drugs too(meds)

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From: Dawn <dawndanc@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:50:07 AM

Subject: Re: Well Visits

I totally agree with everything that Mavis has said.. Whatever you do

though, do NOT sign that vaccine waiver form that the pediatrician

provides you with. Find a doctor who will not force you to sign it.

If you read it carefully, it states that you are a neglectful parent

for not vaccinating and that you are putting everyone at risk by your

actions. Some parents have had child protective services alerted

when they signed this form - amazing how that is not news worthy,

huh? Not all doctors are making parents sign this - most are though.

>

> I have done selective/delayed/ 1 at a time vaccinations on my 3 yr

old

> DD and my 4 mo old has had none. The 3 yr old thank God has had no

> reactions to the shots thus far that I am aware of but I truly

wasn't

> comfortable with getting any; most were given out of guilt by Drs.

and

> she has not had any since she was 18 mo old.

>

> I have come along way in 3 years and now have no problem signing

that

> vaccine waiver form. HOwever, now that both girls are due for well

> visits I have a sick feeling in my stomach about taking them. I

> actually made appointments and canceled them both! Should I take

them?

> Am I terrible if I don't? I weighed/measured the baby and she is

> growing at the same rate as her sister and both girls seem healthy

to

> me. My oldest just got her first real sickness in 3 yrs. (a mini flu

> bug) thats it!. How can I best meet the needs of my kids without the

> pressures of living by the medical model? Does anyone have/know any

> Naturopaths (sp) in MI or how one might become one, take classes,

> anything would be helpful. I want to help my children have strong

> healthy bodies but also realize that there is a time and place for

> medicine. My question is when and how do you find support when its

> needed?

>

December 17, 2008

>

> I have done selective/delayed/1 at a time vaccinations on my 3 yr

old

> DD and my 4 mo old has had none. The 3 yr old thank God has had no

> reactions to the shots thus far that I am aware of but I truly

wasn't

> comfortable with getting any; most were given out of guilt by Drs.

and

> she has not had any since she was 18 mo old.

>

> I have come along way in 3 years and now have no problem signing

that

> vaccine waiver form. HOwever, now that both girls are due for well

> visits I have a sick feeling in my stomach about taking them. I

> actually made appointments and canceled them both! Should I take

them?

> Am I terrible if I don't? I weighed/measured the baby and she is

> growing at the same rate as her sister and both girls seem healthy

to

> me. My oldest just got her first real sickness in 3 yrs. (a mini flu

> bug) thats it!. How can I best meet the needs of my kids without the

> pressures of living by the medical model? Does anyone have/know any

> Naturopaths (sp) in MI or how one might become one, take classes,

> anything would be helpful. I want to help my children have strong

> healthy bodies but also realize that there is a time and place for

> medicine. My question is when and how do you find support when its

> needed?

>

You may just want to find another doctor ... I live in central

michigan and have 3 unvaccinated kids. They go to a regular family

practitioner and I have no problems with well child visits. I have

had very bad experiences with a really pushy pediatrician though so

you may just want to shop around. Ive also hear people say that

trying to get a doctor to sign a form guarenteeing that the vaccines

will not hurt your child will get them to ease up the pressure on you

to do so. I would be happy to offer you support in your decision.

email me back if youd like.

December 17, 2008

First let me say I am usually a lurker here and appreciate everyone's

information and advice. I was just recently at our Pediatrician's

office for well visits. Thankfully my boys are rarely sick. (I have a

3 yo and an 18mo) This group has never been pushy about us not

vaxing, however at this last visit they asked me to sign the vaccine

waiver form. Thankfully, because of this group, I knew not to sign

it. When the doctor came in (who we have never had a problem with)

she said that the STATE (we live in NY) is now mandating that all

parents who choose not to vaccinate must sign the form. I told her I

didn't feel comfortable signing anything and that I would take it

home to discuss it with my husband. She went on further to explain

she will have to note it in the chart that I refused to sign it...for

STATE purposes and records. My husband has a good friend that is an

internist and of course he asked him about the form. The internist

(of course) advised that we sign it bc he said they can call CPS on

us. What do you all think?

Thank you for your time and thoughts.

Sharon K.

> >

> > I have done selective/delayed/1 at a time vaccinations on my 3 yr

> old

> > DD and my 4 mo old has had none. The 3 yr old thank God has had no

> > reactions to the shots thus far that I am aware of but I truly

> wasn't

> > comfortable with getting any; most were given out of guilt by

Drs.

> and

> > she has not had any since she was 18 mo old.

> >

> > I have come along way in 3 years and now have no problem signing

> that

> > vaccine waiver form. HOwever, now that both girls are due for well

> > visits I have a sick feeling in my stomach about taking them. I

> > actually made appointments and canceled them both! Should I take

> them?

> > Am I terrible if I don't? I weighed/measured the baby and she is

> > growing at the same rate as her sister and both girls seem

healthy

> to

> > me. My oldest just got her first real sickness in 3 yrs. (a mini

flu

> > bug) thats it!. How can I best meet the needs of my kids without

the

> > pressures of living by the medical model? Does anyone have/know

any

> > Naturopaths (sp) in MI or how one might become one, take classes,

> > anything would be helpful. I want to help my children have strong

> > healthy bodies but also realize that there is a time and place for

> > medicine. My question is when and how do you find support when its

> > needed?

> >

> You may just want to find another doctor ... I live in central

> michigan and have 3 unvaccinated kids. They go to a regular family

> practitioner and I have no problems with well child visits. I have

> had very bad experiences with a really pushy pediatrician though so

> you may just want to shop around. Ive also hear people say that

> trying to get a doctor to sign a form guarenteeing that the

vaccines

> will not hurt your child will get them to ease up the pressure on

you

> to do so. I would be happy to offer you support in your decision.

> email me back if youd like.

>

December 17, 2008

Refusing to sign a form is hardly child abuse or neglect. I would not

sign the form...

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Sharon Kopetic <sharonann727@...> wrote:

> When the doctor came in (who we have never had a problem with)

> she said that the STATE (we live in NY) is now mandating that all

> parents who choose not to vaccinate must sign the form. I told her I

> didn't feel comfortable signing anything and that I would take it

> home to discuss it with my husband. She went on further to explain

> she will have to note it in the chart that I refused to sign it...for

> STATE purposes and records. My husband has a good friend that is an

> internist and of course he asked him about the form. The internist

> (of course) advised that we sign it bc he said they can call CPS on

> us. What do you all think?

December 17, 2008

I doubt if it would ever go this far, but if CPS ever contacted

you and said you had to sign the form, all you have to do is tell

them to send you a copy of the law that requires signing such a form.

Its been about a dozen years since the CPS tried to scare my son into vaxing or

else,

but there is a difference between mandates and laws. But if its not a law on the

books they are bluffing and have

no authority to force you to sign anything. Just insist on them giving you a

copy of the law.

Stand up to them and they will huff and puff and blow their selves away. They

love pushing around the timid and or ignorant. In after thought, call your doc

and ask her to send you a copy. This would also tell you what kind of a doc she

is, whether she is being straight or not. In particular if she respects you or

not. I remember when I was down at the law library looking up the health laws,

there were two young gals at the next table. My ears perked up when I overheard

one say " maybe we can use this on him " it didn't take me long to realize that

the him was me they were talking about . By the way these people were from the

county. No one at the country level ever responded to my letters of demand. I

had to go to the state to get action, which I got. Remember all county employees

are subject to the state health department which gets its authority from the

state constitution, and if it isn't there, they don't have it. When a government

employee acts

without the backing of law they are acting on their own and can open theirself

up for a lawsuit.

Jim

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From: Roberg <trinnea@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:36:52 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Well Visits

Refusing to sign a form is hardly child abuse or neglect. I would not

sign the form...

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Sharon Kopetic <sharonann727>

wrote: