Re: unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness intervention questions

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry your son is ill.

But not vaccinating does not mean your son will never get sick, which

you are seeing.

We come in with inherited stuff - weaknesses inherited from parents

and grandparents etc.

Homeopathic treatment can really help to get to the root of this.

Did you try any remedies? Can you find a homeopath? Remind me where you live.

There is much in between doing nothing and doing

antibiotics...............many things.

It isn't just about hoping they get better, but actively using

alternative methods before he gets so bad.

It is usually the sudden rise or sudden fall of a fever that causes

febrile seizures.

There is a lot that can be done BEFORE you get to this point.

Now you have the effect of the antibiotics on the whole body and the

immune system suppression they bring, and effect on the bowel.

What looks like a life-saver isn't necessarily in the long run.

Sheri

At 03:11 PM 11/27/2008, you wrote:

>

>My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations or any of

>that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver

>Nitrate, etc.) He

>was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids until he was 10

>months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c of it??? I

>am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick

>(really sick, not just

>a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the only choice so

>I need some direction.

>Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he got a terrible

>cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear infection. He was

>miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use

>fever reducers

>and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain

>anymore. He was better

>within a day. Was that a bad decision?

>Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he started to run a

>high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He

>just kept getting

>worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was relentless, he

>stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of it,

>was extremely

>lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks of

>the cold and

>then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short periods

>of no fever

>if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the doctor

>yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to the

>hospital but I

>talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of

>antibiotic, and

>starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for 10

>days. Today

>he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking again, playing

>again, etc.

>I know many on this list are against fever reducers and antibiotic use...but

>my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer and just

>hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those

>medicines provided

>so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him remarkably

>better in

>less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system is not

>fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and since

>he was breastfed

>for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4 year old had

>the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old (fully breastfed)

>still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal

>otherwise, this is

>week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

>Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not dangerous to

>let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures? Couldn't he

>have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go

>without intervening?

>I really need some help understanding all of this.

>THANKS

>Amy

>

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[Guest guest]

My doctor from back East wrote an indispensible book: Taking Charge of Your

Child's Health, author Dr. Wootan. In it he discusses everything,

from fever to wounds to Vax (it is because of his informed explanations that

we do not vax). This book would have helped to guide you much more surely

in this situation. I am not a big antibiotic fan, but the reality is, I

would not be here but for Penicillin: My father was literally comatose with

Pneumonia and would surely have died from it were antibiotics not

administered. The fact that certain groups in society pop them like Pez

does not mean the whole concept is bad, IMNHO.

Maeghan

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Algaveda@...

Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:11 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness intervention

questions

My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations or any of

that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver Nitrate, etc.)

He

was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids until he was 10

months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c of it??? I

am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really sick, not

just

a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the only choice so

I need some direction.

Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he got a terrible

cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear infection. He was

miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use fever reducers

and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain anymore. He was better

within a day. Was that a bad decision?

Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he started to run a

high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He just kept getting

worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was relentless, he

stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of it, was

extremely

lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks of the cold and

then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short periods of no

fever

if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the doctor

yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to the hospital but

I

talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of antibiotic,

and

starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for 10 days.

Today

he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking again, playing

again, etc.

I know many on this list are against fever reducers and antibiotic use...but

my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer and just

hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those medicines

provided

so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him remarkably better

in

less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system is not

fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and since he was

breastfed

for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4 year old had

the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old (fully breastfed)

still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal otherwise, this

is

week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not dangerous to

let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures? Couldn't he

have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go without

intervening?

I really need some help understanding all of this.

THANKS

Amy

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I agree with Maeghan... you do what you have to do with the resources

and knowledge you have at the time in order to get them through the

acute problem, and if it seems THAT serious and your gut tells you to

use antibiotics, use antibiotics... then, after the emergency is over

and everyone can breathe, find a classic homeopath to address the

underlying cause and help the body rid itself of the underlying

disturbance for good, so that your son doesn't continue to get sicker

and sicker, or have something worse pop up health-wise from the

suppression by the fever reducers and antibiotics.

Never doubt your mommy's instinct. Nature put it there on purpose,

and it's worth more than any doctor's diagnosis any day.

I'm glad your little one is feeling better now. I would suggest

taking Sheri's course on homeopathy, as the knowledge you'd gain there

would help you deal with pneumonia, colds, etc. at home on your own,

with confidence and no allopathic drugs.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Maeghan MacDougall

<megmac@...> wrote:

> I am not a big antibiotic fan, but the reality is, I

> would not be here but for Penicillin: My father was literally comatose with

> Pneumonia and would surely have died from it were antibiotics not

> administered. The fact that certain groups in society pop them like Pez

> does not mean the whole concept is bad, IMNHO.

> On Behalf Of Algaveda@...

> We went to the doctor

> yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to the hospital but

> I

> talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of antibiotic,

> and

> starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for 10 days.

> Today

> he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking again, playing

> again, etc.

> I know many on this list are against fever reducers and antibiotic use...but

>

> my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer and just

> hope they get better and not worry to death?

[Guest guest]

I'm not opposed to using antibiotics for pneumonia, and have done so several

times. However, they can weaken the immune system and you can get stuck in the

antibiotic cycle. Just be aware of it when making the decision and work to fix

it afterwards. Fever reducers are another subject. I would not use them. Fever

is good. You don't want to get rid of it and have the illusion of getting

better.

Yesterday, I went through the same thing you just did, but dealt with it

differently this time. My 9-yr-old was not vaxed either,and breasted for eons,

but was given a lot of antibiotics his first year. Off and on over the past

couple of years, he's had respiratory problems/pneumonia. A few days ago, he

started with the coughing, trouble breathing, bedridden, lethargic--everything

that in the past ALWAYS ended in pneumonia and with antibiotics (and a terrible

reaction the last time). After a rough night, I even called the ped and got a

prescription for antibiotics to have on hand because of the holidays and my

aversion to spending time in ER's. I knew it was just a matter of hours before

the fever would start and the nightmare would begin.

However, this time he cooperated with me about taking the natural meds I prefer.

After giving him Quercetin, Vit. C and Larix and a homeopathic syrup to clear up

the chest congestion, long hot showers and a vaporizer, lots of sleep, chicken

soup and ginger ale, he completely turned the corner and never even got a fever.

In one day flat he had coughed everything nasty up and was practically singing

and dancing. Even I was stunned at our success.

So, yes, it's perfectly okay to intervene, but there are natural meds you can

try at home first if you have the comfort level to do so. Pneumonia is the one

thing that sends me into a mild panic, so I don't blame you one bit for taking

him to the ER. You have to listen to your gut.

Winnie

unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness intervention

questions

Vaccinations

>

> My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations

> or any of

> that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver

> Nitrate, etc.) He

> was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids

> until he was 10

> months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c

> of it??? I

> am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really

> sick, not just

> a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the

> only choice so

> I need some direction.

> Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he

> got a terrible

> cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear

> infection. He was

> miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use

> fever reducers

> and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain anymore.

> He was better

> within a day. Was that a bad decision?

> Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he

> started to run a

> high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He just

> kept getting

> worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was

> relentless, he

> stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of

> it, was extremely

> lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks

> of the cold and

> then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short

> periods of no fever

> if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the

> doctor

> yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to

> the hospital but I

> talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of

> antibiotic, and

> starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for

> 10 days. Today

> he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking

> again, playing

> again, etc.

> I know many on this list are against fever reducers and

> antibiotic use...but

> my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer

> and just

> hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those

> medicines provided

> so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him

> remarkably better in

> less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system

> is not

> fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and

> since he was breastfed

> for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4

> year old had

> the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old

> (fully breastfed)

> still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal

> otherwise, this is

> week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

> Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not

> dangerous to

> let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures?

> Couldn't he

> have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go without

> intervening?

> I really need some help understanding all of this.

> THANKS

> Amy

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

I know how you feel, sometimes it can be really difficult. When you notice him

comming down with something again, could you maybe try garlic and raw honey and

echinacea drops. My kids aged 2 and 5 are fully vaxed and pretty much sick all

of the time so my situation is different. Up until a few months ago, they would

have antibiotics regularly, the antibiotics would " work wonders " and they would

be better within 24 hours, but shortly after stopping them, they would become

ill again. My youngest literally had antibiotics every 6 weeks from when he was

about 4 months old, (disgusting I know but I really did not know any better).

My GP would tell me that they would end up in hospital with Meningitis or

Pneumonia if I did not give them, and I naively believed her. We now never go

to the Dr. We try to solve the problem at home, and if we cant we will go and

see our homeopath. Since I have been using the garlic and honey and echinacea,

the time between one illness and another has increased. They have also not been

for antibiotics or any other medicine in over 6 months. They always get over

it. Also I think putting them to bed is really important, I let my 5year old run

around outside in the early evening last friday. He had a slight cough and a

runny nose. The next day he had a sky high fever. His little brother who

remained in the house, has the same " cold type of thing " but never got the

fever. I realised that we need to be careful when our children are not a

hunderd per cent well because something minor can quickly change to something

major. I left the fever, except for some yarrow tea which I added to his bath

water. He kept the fever for 2 days and 2 nights and remained in bed, and woke

up on the third day without the fever.

By the way, the garlic is pretty gross, I have to force my kids to take it, but

I chop a clove finely and cover it with the raw honey (three times a day), and

all I can say is that this really does work!!

Hope you come right,

Regards

Joyce Del-Frate

Gauteng, South Africa

unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness intervention

questions

My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations or any of

that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver Nitrate, etc.) He

was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids until he was 10

months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c of it??? I

am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really sick, not just

a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it he only choice so

I need some direction.

THANKS

Amy

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am interested in the homeopathic meds you used on your son. What is

Larix and Quercetin? I have heard of them through the list but my

naturopath or holistic PD has never mentioned them.

Also, which syrup do you use? We were pretty sick a few weeks ago and

used elderberry something and it worked pretty well. I just didn't

like that it contained sugar. My kids however LOVED it. ha.

has anyone read the books on helping raise our immune system through

foods by Lucy Burney? They have some wonderful recipes for all age

groups.

le

On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:04 PM, wharrison@... wrote:

> I'm not opposed to using antibiotics for pneumonia, and have done so

> several times. However, they can weaken the immune system and you

> can get stuck in the antibiotic cycle. Just be aware of it when

> making the decision and work to fix it afterwards. Fever reducers

> are another subject. I would not use them. Fever is good. You don't

> want to get rid of it and have the illusion of getting better.

>

> Yesterday, I went through the same thing you just did, but dealt

> with it differently this time. My 9-yr-old was not vaxed either,and

> breasted for eons, but was given a lot of antibiotics his first

> year. Off and on over the past couple of years, he's had respiratory

> problems/pneumonia. A few days ago, he started with the coughing,

> trouble breathing, bedridden, lethargic--everything that in the past

> ALWAYS ended in pneumonia and with antibiotics (and a terrible

> reaction the last time). After a rough night, I even called the ped

> and got a prescription for antibiotics to have on hand because of

> the holidays and my aversion to spending time in ER's. I knew it was

> just a matter of hours before the fever would start and the

> nightmare would begin.

>

> However, this time he cooperated with me about taking the natural

> meds I prefer. After giving him Quercetin, Vit. C and Larix and a

> homeopathic syrup to clear up the chest congestion, long hot showers

> and a vaporizer, lots of sleep, chicken soup and ginger ale, he

> completely turned the corner and never even got a fever. In one day

> flat he had coughed everything nasty up and was practically singing

> and dancing. Even I was stunned at our success.

>

> So, yes, it's perfectly okay to intervene, but there are natural

> meds you can try at home first if you have the comfort level to do

> so. Pneumonia is the one thing that sends me into a mild panic, so I

> don't blame you one bit for taking him to the ER. You have to listen

> to your gut.

>

> Winnie

>

> unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness

> intervention questions

> Vaccinations

>

> >

> > My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations

> > or any of

> > that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver

> > Nitrate, etc.) He

> > was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids

> > until he was 10

> > months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c

> > of it??? I

> > am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really

> > sick, not just

> > a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the

> > only choice so

> > I need some direction.

> > Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he

> > got a terrible

> > cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear

> > infection. He was

> > miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use

> > fever reducers

> > and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain anymore.

> > He was better

> > within a day. Was that a bad decision?

> > Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he

> > started to run a

> > high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He just

> > kept getting

> > worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was

> > relentless, he

> > stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of

> > it, was extremely

> > lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks

> > of the cold and

> > then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short

> > periods of no fever

> > if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the

> > doctor

> > yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to

> > the hospital but I

> > talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of

> > antibiotic, and

> > starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for

> > 10 days. Today

> > he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking

> > again, playing

> > again, etc.

> > I know many on this list are against fever reducers and

> > antibiotic use...but

> > my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer

> > and just

> > hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those

> > medicines provided

> > so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him

> > remarkably better in

> > less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system

> > is not

> > fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and

> > since he was breastfed

> > for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4

> > year old had

> > the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old

> > (fully breastfed)

> > still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal

> > otherwise, this is

> > week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

> > Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not

> > dangerous to

> > let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures?

> > Couldn't he

> > have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go without

> > intervening?

> > I really need some help understanding all of this.

> > THANKS

> > Amy

> >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

Larix is a natural antibiotic--comes in powder or pills. It's great for any

infections--chest, ear, urinary tract, etc.

Quercetin is an anti-inflammatory, anti-histamine anti-oxidant (lots of antis!).

It usually comes with Vit. C in it so if a child doesn't swallow pills, it can

be a bit sour. Solgar's is not too sour, though, and my picky son will take it

in mushed bananas. It's great for allergies/asthma and chest congestion. It

loosens everything up.

The syrup I use is Boericke & Taefel children's cough and bronchial syrup. I

should get some elderberry, too--forgot about that. Thanks!

Winnie

unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness

> > intervention questions

> > Vaccinations

> >

> > >

> > > My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations

> > > or any of

> > > that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver

> > > Nitrate, etc.) He

> > > was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids

> > > until he was 10

> > > months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c

> > > of it??? I

> > > am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really

> > > sick, not just

> > > a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the

> > > only choice so

> > > I need some direction.

> > > Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he

> > > got a terrible

> > > cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear

> > > infection. He was

> > > miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use

> > > fever reducers

> > > and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain anymore.

> > > He was better

> > > within a day. Was that a bad decision?

> > > Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he

> > > started to run a

> > > high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He just

> > > kept getting

> > > worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was

> > > relentless, he

> > > stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of

> > > it, was extremely

> > > lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks

> > > of the cold and

> > > then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short

> > > periods of no fever

> > > if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the

> > > doctor

> > > yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to

> > > the hospital but I

> > > talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of

> > > antibiotic, and

> > > starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for

> > > 10 days. Today

> > > he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking

> > > again, playing

> > > again, etc.

> > > I know many on this list are against fever reducers and

> > > antibiotic use...but

> > > my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer

> > > and just

> > > hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those

> > > medicines provided

> > > so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him

> > > remarkably better in

> > > less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system

> > > is not

> > > fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and

> > > since he was breastfed

> > > for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4

> > > year old had

> > > the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old

> > > (fully breastfed)

> > > still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal

> > > otherwise, this is

> > > week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

> > > Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not

> > > dangerous to

> > > let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures?

> > > Couldn't he

> > > have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go without

> > > intervening?

> > > I really need some help understanding all of this.

> > > THANKS

> > > Amy

> > >

> > >

> > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage.

> > > Try the NEW

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> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh, and the homeopathic meds. I didn't use any this last time because the syrup

is homeopathic. I have a huge box of everything to keep on hand. Many boys, many

needs...

Winnie

unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness

> > intervention questions

> > Vaccinations

> >

> > >

> > > My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations

> > > or any of

> > > that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver

> > > Nitrate, etc.) He

> > > was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids

> > > until he was 10

> > > months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c

> > > of it??? I

> > > am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really

> > > sick, not just

> > > a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the

> > > only choice so

> > > I need some direction.

> > > Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he

> > > got a terrible

> > > cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear

> > > infection. He was

> > > miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use

> > > fever reducers

> > > and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain anymore.

> > > He was better

> > > within a day. Was that a bad decision?

> > > Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he

> > > started to run a

> > > high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He just

> > > kept getting

> > > worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was

> > > relentless, he

> > > stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of

> > > it, was extremely

> > > lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks

> > > of the cold and

> > > then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short

> > > periods of no fever

> > > if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the

> > > doctor

> > > yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to

> > > the hospital but I

> > > talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of

> > > antibiotic, and

> > > starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for

> > > 10 days. Today

> > > he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking

> > > again, playing

> > > again, etc.

> > > I know many on this list are against fever reducers and

> > > antibiotic use...but

> > > my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer

> > > and just

> > > hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those

> > > medicines provided

> > > so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him

> > > remarkably better in

> > > less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system

> > > is not

> > > fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and

> > > since he was breastfed

> > > for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4

> > > year old had

> > > the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old

> > > (fully breastfed)

> > > still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal

> > > otherwise, this is

> > > week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

> > > Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not

> > > dangerous to

> > > let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures?

> > > Couldn't he

> > > have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go without

> > > intervening?

> > > I really need some help understanding all of this.

> > > THANKS

> > > Amy

> > >

> > >

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> > >

[Guest guest]

There's more to it than non vaxxing and breastfeeding. Diet plays a huge

role, as does good quality rest, sunlight exposure, and also an ability to

build an immune system. People think I'm crazy, but slathering oneself in

Purell is NOT the answer!

Best,

www.shellyct.blogspot.com

www.chestnuthilldesigns.com

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up

where I needed to be.

--

unvaxxed/breastfed kids & sickness intervention

questions

>

> My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations or any of

> that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver Nitrate,

> etc.) He

> was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids until he was

> 10

> months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c of it???

> I

> am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really sick, not

> just

> a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the only choice

> so

> I need some direction.

> Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he got a

> terrible

> cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear infection. He was

> miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use fever

> reducers

> and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain anymore. He was

> better

> within a day. Was that a bad decision?

> Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he started to run

> a

> high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He just kept

> getting

> worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was relentless, he

> stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of it, was

> extremely

> lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks of the cold

> and

> then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short periods of no

> fever

> if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the doctor

> yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to the hospital

> but I

> talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of

> antibiotic, and

> starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for 10 days.

> Today

> he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking again, playing

> again, etc.

> I know many on this list are against fever reducers and antibiotic

> use...but

> my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer and just

> hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those medicines

> provided

> so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him remarkably

> better in

> less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system is not

> fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and since he was

> breastfed

> for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4 year old

> had

> the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old (fully

> breastfed)

> still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal otherwise,

> this is

> week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

> Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not dangerous to

> let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures? Couldn't

> he

> have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go without

> intervening?

> I really need some help understanding all of this.

> THANKS

> Amy

>

>

> **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW

> AOL.com.

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know I'm a little late, but wanted to let you know what happened

with my 3yr dd last winter over the new year. She began with a fever.

For some reason the 3 times she's had a fever they always go to 105.

It was a little scary at first, but I believe that is the temp her

body needs to fight off whatever is attacking it. Over the new year

she had 105 fever for almost a week. She did not eat, only would take

water (not enough in my opinion), was very lethargic, and slept a lot

(didn't leave my side). I took her to the chiro almost daily and was

told by them to give her vitamin C, echinacea, and oil of oregano,

not to worry about the food intake because the body uses more energy

to digest solids and needed that energy to fight off the illness, and

push fluids. Her fever eventually lowered to about 100-101 with a

double ear infection (though she never showed signs of it). It took 2-

3 weeks to go through her system, but she did fine and is doing great

now. I honestly believe she had pneumonia because dh went in about a

week after she became ill and was diagnosed with pneumonia.

I prayed a lot. I had a lot of resistance from my dad, who thought

she should be at the dr's. I did give her Tylenol a few times if she

seemed to be terribly uncomfortable. God gave me the peace that I was

doing the best thing for her and to keep her close to me. (And the

chiro helped immensely.)

HTH -

>

>

> My son is almost 3 years old. He has not had ANY vaccinations or

any of

> that crap they give routinely in the hospital- Vit K, Silver

Nitrate, etc.) He

> was breastfed for nearly 2 years (didn't really take solids until

he was 10

> months old). I honestly thought he would be a healthy child b/c

of it??? I

> am also so torn on what to do medically when he is sick (really

sick, not just

> a cold). I hate to use meds but sometimes it seems like the only

choice so

> I need some direction.

> Soon after he weaned, this is last winter, he was about 2, he got

a terrible

> cold that ended up with fevers and a raging double ear infection.

He was

> miserable and hurting. I had to go to the ER and I had to use

fever reducers

> and antibiotics- I could not watch him scream in pain anymore. He

was better

> within a day. Was that a bad decision?

> Fast forward to now. He had a cold for 2 weeks. Then he started

to run a

> high fever (102-105), which lasted for five whole days. He just

kept getting

> worse until he was practically lifeless. HIs fever was

relentless, he

> stopped eating completely, drank only water and very little of it,

was extremely

> lethargic, said his head hurt, terrible cough. After 2 weeks of

the cold and

> then 5 days of the fever (fever reducer only offered short periods

of no fever

> if any)...I couldn't see him suffer anymore. We went to the

doctor

> yesterday and he has PNEUMONIA! They wanted to admit him to the

hospital but I

> talked them into treating him at home. They gave him a shot of

antibiotic, and

> starting today I need to give an oral antibiotic once a day for 10

days. Today

> he is like a new child...no fever at all, eating/drinking again,

playing

> again, etc.

> I know many on this list are against fever reducers and antibiotic

use...but

> my son was so sick and suffering...how do you watch them suffer

and just

> hope they get better and not worry to death? I mean, those

medicines provided

> so much comfort to my son and those antibiotics made him

remarkably better in

> less than 24 hours. I am also wondering why his immune system is

not

> fighting it off since it was not compromised by vaccines and since

he was breastfed

> for so long. I have 2 other kids (4 yrs and 6 months). My 4 year

old had

> the same cold for 2 weeks but got better. My 6 month old (fully

breastfed)

> still has a cough but is acting completely happy and normal

otherwise, this is

> week 3 and I am praying it doesn't turn into something worse.

> Is there ANY occasion its ok to intervene- I mean, is it not

dangerous to

> let a fever get to 105 or higher? Cant they result in seizures?

Couldn't he

> have become seriously ill if I just let his pneumonia go without

intervening?

> I really need some help understanding all of this.

> THANKS

> Amy

>

>

> **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try

the NEW

> AOL.com.

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