Former UK Science Chief - Vaccines Cause Autism: What More Evidence is Needed?

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From: <dkirby@...>

Former UK Science Chief - Vaccines Cause Autism: " What More Evidence

is Needed? "

DAVID KIRBY - The Huffington Post

Can vaccines contribute to the onset of autism in some children? I

believe that contention is not only possible, it is plausible. More

research is needed.

But anyone willing to make such a statement in public opens

themselves up to the wrath of science. But the problem is, there is

simply no such thing as " scientific consensus " when it comes to

vaccines and autism.

Any scientist who tells you that this case is closed is either

stupid, lying, or shockingly unwilling to acknowledge the facts on the ground.

Of course, many scientists want this issue to " go away, " as they

believe it is settled. But their " belief " is counterweighted by the

beliefs of other scientific and health policy authorities, who beg to disagree.

The list is significant, and growing (see below). And to it, should

be added Dr. Fletcher, former Chief Scientific Officer at the

Department of Health in the UK - (which, if I'm not mistaken, is

roughly the same as our head of the FDA).

An editor at the Age of Autism site, Anne Dachel, wrote to Dr.

Fletcher to seek his reaction to the stories about reportedly high

rates of autsim among Somali children in Minneapolis.

Here was his reply:

" I have always thought since I first heard about the Somali children

that this really proves the causal role of vaccines. The Amish

children who have no vaccines have no autistic-like disorders and the

Somali children who are newly exposed to aggressive vaccine

programmes have exceptionally high levels! What more evidence is needed? "

So there you have it. A leading scientist talking about " proof " of a

vaccine-autism connection - only you won't see this statement in The

New York Times or on ABC News.

This seems to be a step forward for Dr. Fletcher, who said in 2006

that the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine might be implicated in autism.

According to a report in the Daily Mail:

Dr Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department

of Health, said if it is proven that the MMR jab causes autism, " the

refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this

one of the greatest scandals in medical history " .

He added that after agreeing to be an expert witness on drug-safety

trials for parents' lawyers, he had received and studied thousands of

documents relating to the case which he believed the public had a right to see.

He said he has seen a " steady accumulation of evidence " from

scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is

causing brain damage in certain children.

But he added: " There are very powerful people in positions of great

authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations

and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost

anything to protect themselves. "

And to you, angry scientists out there getting ready to trash me for

this post - just remember: You are not trashing me, you are trashing

one of your own. And he is hardly alone.

NOTE:

During 2008, all of the following groups and individuals have

advocated or considered exploring possible links between vaccines and autism:

1) Both Presidential Candidates

2) Director of the CDC

3) Former head of the NIH and American Red Cross

4) Chair of the U.S. House Science Subcommittee on Investigations

5) Dr. Jon Poling, Pediatric Neurologist

6) HHS Vaccine Safety Working Group

7) CDC Vaccine Safety Research Agenda

8) Medical personnel at HHS Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

9) Members of the Strategic Planning Workgroup of the IAC Committee

10) Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment Network - CISA

11) Autism researchers at s Hopkins University Medical School

12) America's health insurance companies

13) Autism Speaks

14) The United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation

15) Dr. Fletcher, former Chief Scientific Officer at the UK

Department of Health

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in December 2008

[Guest guest]

I wish the media would show both sides in an unbiased way. This

morning on CNN at 8:30 they talked about vaccines and autism, and the

head of the CDC said there were at least 15 studies that proved no

link between autism and vaccines. Then she went on to say how many

lives have been saved by vaccines. When the average person hears

this, they feel that vaccines are safe, necessary and there's no

mention of the potential danagers or ineffectivness of the vaccines.

>

> From: <dkirby@...>

>

> Former UK Science Chief - Vaccines Cause Autism: " What More

Evidence

> is Needed? "

>

> DAVID KIRBY - The Huffington Post

>

> Can vaccines contribute to the onset of autism in some children? I

> believe that contention is not only possible, it is plausible. More

> research is needed.

>

> But anyone willing to make such a statement in public opens

> themselves up to the wrath of science. But the problem is, there is

> simply no such thing as " scientific consensus " when it comes to

> vaccines and autism.

>

> Any scientist who tells you that this case is closed is either

> stupid, lying, or shockingly unwilling to acknowledge the facts on

the ground.

>

> Of course, many scientists want this issue to " go away, " as they

> believe it is settled. But their " belief " is counterweighted by the

> beliefs of other scientific and health policy authorities, who beg

to disagree.

>

> The list is significant, and growing (see below). And to it, should

> be added Dr. Fletcher, former Chief Scientific Officer at the

> Department of Health in the UK - (which, if I'm not mistaken, is

> roughly the same as our head of the FDA).

>

> An editor at the Age of Autism site, Anne Dachel, wrote to Dr.

> Fletcher to seek his reaction to the stories about reportedly high

> rates of autsim among Somali children in Minneapolis.

>

> Here was his reply:

>

> " I have always thought since I first heard about the Somali

children

> that this really proves the causal role of vaccines. The Amish

> children who have no vaccines have no autistic-like disorders and

the

> Somali children who are newly exposed to aggressive vaccine

> programmes have exceptionally high levels! What more evidence is

needed? "

>

> So there you have it. A leading scientist talking about " proof " of

a

> vaccine-autism connection - only you won't see this statement in

The

> New York Times or on ABC News.

>

> This seems to be a step forward for Dr. Fletcher, who said in 2006

> that the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine might be implicated in

autism.

> According to a report in the Daily Mail:

>

> Dr Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the

Department

> of Health, said if it is proven that the MMR jab causes

autism, " the

> refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make

this

> one of the greatest scandals in medical history " .

>

> He added that after agreeing to be an expert witness on drug-safety

> trials for parents' lawyers, he had received and studied thousands

of

> documents relating to the case which he believed the public had a

right to see.

>

> He said he has seen a " steady accumulation of evidence " from

> scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is

> causing brain damage in certain children.

>

> But he added: " There are very powerful people in positions of great

> authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their

reputations

> and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost

> anything to protect themselves. "

>

> And to you, angry scientists out there getting ready to trash me

for

> this post - just remember: You are not trashing me, you are

trashing

> one of your own. And he is hardly alone.

>

> NOTE:

>

> During 2008, all of the following groups and individuals have

> advocated or considered exploring possible links between vaccines

and autism:

>

> 1) Both Presidential Candidates

> 2) Director of the CDC

> 3) Former head of the NIH and American Red Cross

> 4) Chair of the U.S. House Science Subcommittee on Investigations

> 5) Dr. Jon Poling, Pediatric Neurologist

> 6) HHS Vaccine Safety Working Group

> 7) CDC Vaccine Safety Research Agenda

> 8) Medical personnel at HHS Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

> 9) Members of the Strategic Planning Workgroup of the IAC Committee

> 10) Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment Network - CISA

> 11) Autism researchers at s Hopkins University Medical School

> 12) America's health insurance companies

> 13) Autism Speaks

> 14) The United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation

> 15) Dr. Fletcher, former Chief Scientific Officer at the UK

> Department of Health

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers

&

> Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in December 2008

>

[Guest guest]

And that is exactly the message they want to get across. The media doesn't exist

to inform, just to tell you what they want you to hear. It's something to

remember when hearing other " news. "

Of course, the bright side is that they are feeling the pressure to counteract

the real news that vaccines are causing harm. I imagine we'll hear more

pro-vaccine crap as more parents see the light.

Winnie

Re: Former UK Science Chief - Vaccines Cause Autism:

" What More Evidence is Needed? "

Vaccinations

> I wish the media would show both sides in an unbiased way. This

> morning on CNN at 8:30 they talked about vaccines and autism,

> and the

> head of the CDC said there were at least 15 studies that proved

> no

> link between autism and vaccines. Then she went on to say how

> many

> lives have been saved by vaccines. When the average person

> hears

> this, they feel that vaccines are safe, necessary and there's no

> mention of the potential danagers or ineffectivness of the vaccines.

>

>

> >

> > From:

> >

> > Former UK Science Chief - Vaccines Cause Autism: " What More

> Evidence

> > is Needed? "

> >

> > DAVID KIRBY - The Huffington Post

> >

> > Can vaccines contribute to the onset of autism in some

> children? I

> > believe that contention is not only possible, it is plausible.

> More

> > research is needed.

> >

> > But anyone willing to make such a statement in public opens

> > themselves up to the wrath of science. But the problem is,

> there is

> > simply no such thing as " scientific consensus " when it comes

> to

> > vaccines and autism.

> >

> > Any scientist who tells you that this case is closed is either

> > stupid, lying, or shockingly unwilling to acknowledge the

> facts on

> the ground.

> >

> > Of course, many scientists want this issue to " go away, " as

> they

> > believe it is settled. But their " belief " is counterweighted

> by the

> > beliefs of other scientific and health policy authorities, who

> beg

> to disagree.

> >

> > The list is significant, and growing (see below). And to it,

> should

> > be added Dr. Fletcher, former Chief Scientific Officer

> at the

> > Department of Health in the UK - (which, if I'm not mistaken,

> is

> > roughly the same as our head of the FDA).

> >

> > An editor at the Age of Autism site, Anne Dachel, wrote to Dr.

> > Fletcher to seek his reaction to the stories about reportedly

> high

> > rates of autsim among Somali children in Minneapolis.

> >

> > Here was his reply:

> >

> > " I have always thought since I first heard about the Somali

> children

> > that this really proves the causal role of vaccines. The Amish

> > children who have no vaccines have no autistic-like disorders

> and

> the

> > Somali children who are newly exposed to aggressive vaccine

> > programmes have exceptionally high levels! What more evidence

> is

> needed? "

> >

> > So there you have it. A leading scientist talking about

> " proof " of

> a

> > vaccine-autism connection - only you won't see this statement

> in

> The

> > New York Times or on ABC News.

> >

> > This seems to be a step forward for Dr. Fletcher, who said in

> 2006

> > that the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine might be implicated in

> autism.

> > According to a report in the Daily Mail:

> >

> > Dr Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the

> Department

> > of Health, said if it is proven that the MMR jab causes

> autism, " the

> > refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will

> make

> this

> > one of the greatest scandals in medical history " .

> >

> > He added that after agreeing to be an expert witness on drug-

> safety

> > trials for parents' lawyers, he had received and studied

> thousands

> of

> > documents relating to the case which he believed the public

> had a

> right to see.

> >

> > He said he has seen a " steady accumulation of evidence " from

> > scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab

> is

> > causing brain damage in certain children.

> >

> > But he added: " There are very powerful people in positions of

> great

> > authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their

> reputations

> > and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do

> almost

> > anything to protect themselves. "

> >

> > And to you, angry scientists out there getting ready to trash

> me

> for

> > this post - just remember: You are not trashing me, you are

> trashing

> > one of your own. And he is hardly alone.

> >

> > NOTE:

> >

> > During 2008, all of the following groups and individuals have

> > advocated or considered exploring possible links between

> vaccines

> and autism:

> >

> > 1) Both Presidential Candidates

> > 2) Director of the CDC

> > 3) Former head of the NIH and American Red Cross

> > 4) Chair of the U.S. House Science Subcommittee on Investigations

> > 5) Dr. Jon Poling, Pediatric Neurologist

> > 6) HHS Vaccine Safety Working Group

> > 7) CDC Vaccine Safety Research Agenda

> > 8) Medical personnel at HHS Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

> > 9) Members of the Strategic Planning Workgroup of the IAC Committee

> > 10) Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment Network - CISA

> > 11) Autism researchers at s Hopkins University Medical School

> > 12) America's health insurance companies

> > 13) Autism Speaks

> > 14) The United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation

> > 15) Dr. Fletcher, former Chief Scientific Officer at the

> UK

> > Department of Health

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

> Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine

> Dangers

> &

> > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in December 2008

> >

>

>

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