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[Guest guest]

We need to start using their words, such as irresponsible. How about: It is

irresponsible to mass vaccinate children without consideration to the fact that

vaccines are not guaranteed to work and all carry the risk of death.

Winnie

Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line poll -

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> Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in

> favour of

> mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

>

>

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2008/nov/28/health-

> children

> Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

>

> Measles – which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications

> – is rising because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though

> studies have concluded it is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

>

>

[Guest guest]

That word would be a good start, I can think of a few others too.

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 2:56:31 PM

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We need to start using their words, such as irresponsible. How about: It is

irresponsible to mass vaccinate children without consideration to the fact that

vaccines are not guaranteed to work and all carry the risk of death.

Winnie

Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line poll -

please vote!

undisclosed- recipients@ n29a.bullet. sp1.. com

> Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in

> favour of

> mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

>

>

>

> http://www.guardian .co.uk/commentis free/poll/ 2008/nov/ 28/health-

> children

> Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

>

> Measles – which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications

> – is rising because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though

> studies have concluded it is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

>

>

[Guest guest]

WOAH! Where in the heck (I'd like to use stronger language) are they

getting 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications? Please someone

help me out here!

>

> Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in favour of

> mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2008/nov/28/health-children

> Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

> Measles – which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications – is

rising because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though studies have

concluded it is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

>

>

[Guest guest]

They get them from their little bag of lies kept on hand for just such an

occasion.

Winnie

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> WOAH! Where in the heck (I'd like to use stronger language) are they

> getting 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications? Please someone

> help me out here!

>

>

> >

> > Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in

> favour of

> > mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

> >

> >

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2008/nov/28/health-children

> > Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

> > Measles – which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious

> complications – is

> rising because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though studies have

> concluded it is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As of my vote: 51.4% against.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Sue <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

> Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in favour of

> mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2008/nov/28/health-children

> Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

> Measles – which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications – is rising

> because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though studies have concluded it

> is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

>

[Guest guest]

talk about a loaded question:

Yes: letting measles spread is irresponsible

Re: Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line

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As of my vote: 51.4% against.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Sue <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

> Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in favour of

> mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2008/nov/28/health-children

> Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

> Measles - which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications - is

> rising

> because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though studies have concluded it

> is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

>

[Guest guest]

they lie, been doing it for 200 years.

like 30% of smallox cases die lie, when it was 18% in the 19th century, but 0-2%

under non-allopathic med.

or the annual 30,000 flu death lie, when it is 700 USA

Re: Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line

poll - please vote!

WOAH! Where in the heck (I'd like to use stronger language) are they

getting 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications? Please someone

help me out here!

>

> Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in favour of

> mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2008/nov/28/health-children

> Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

> Measles - which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications - is

rising because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though studies have

concluded it is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

>

>

[Guest guest]

And during a cholera epidemic the Homoeopathic Hospital in London managed a

death rate of 16%.. Not so the allopathic hospitals. Their death rate was 50%!!!

From: <scu23@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line

poll - please vote!

Vaccinations

Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:35 AM

they lie, been doing it for 200 years.

like 30% of smallox cases die lie, when it was 18% in the 19th century, but 0-2%

under non-allopathic med.

or the annual 30,000 flu death lie, when it is 700 USA

Re: Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line poll

- please vote!

WOAH! Where in the heck (I'd like to use stronger language) are they

getting 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications? Please someone

help me out here!

>

> Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in favour of

> mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

>

> http://www.guardian .co.uk/commentis free/poll/ 2008/nov/ 28/health- children

> Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

> Measles - which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications - is

rising because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though studies have

concluded it is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

>

>

[Guest guest]

they can say whatever they want, as there are no consequences

At 08:00 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote:

>WOAH! Where in the heck (I'd like to use stronger language) are they

>getting 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications? Please someone

>help me out here!

>

>

> >

> > Poll in UK on-line paper - please vote!! Currently 72% in favour of

> > mandatory vaxing, 28% against.

> >

> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2008/nov/28/health-children

> > Should the MMR jab be compulsory?

> > Measles ­ which in 1 in 15 cases leads to serious complications ­ is

>rising because of low uptake of the MMR vaccine, though studies have

>concluded it is safe. Should the jab be compulsory?

> > \

[Guest guest]

The misinformation is everywhere, as we all know too well... there's a

question on the www.immunizetexas.com website that has been nagging

me... okay, all of the answers to the questions on that page bother

me, but the one in particular is:

Q: Why does my child need the chickenpox vaccine? Isn't it a mild illness?

A: Chickenpox is a serious disease. The disease can also lead to

pneumonia, scarring, brain damage, or even death. Those who have

chickenpox as children often suffer a painful rash called shingles as

adults.

I have been wanting to write to them regarding their FAQ's

(http://www.immunizetexas.com/#/FAQ/) via their " contact us " link, but

haven't had a chance to sit down long enough to compose my thoughts

into writing. Maybe we could all start a writing campaign to them.

Among other things, they are encouraging parents to have their

children vaccinated even if they are sick! This, to me, seems like it

opens the door to some sort of liability issue for this organization,

not to mention damage this advice could do to children.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> they can say whatever they want, as there are no consequences

[Guest guest]

Trying to convince those whose minds are closed (and who have a financial stake)

doesn't work. Time is better spent warning parents. Besides, you could write

something but these sites usually have the final say in what is posted.

If you really want to respond to these vaccine pushers, a short " I don't think

CP is so serious and if I did, I don't think polluting my child's bloodstream

with vaccines is the solution. "

Winnie

Re: Re: Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line

poll - please vote!

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> The misinformation is everywhere, as we all know too well...

> there's a

> question on the www.immunizetexas.com website that has been nagging

> me... okay, all of the answers to the questions on that page bother

> me, but the one in particular is:

>

> Q: Why does my child need the chickenpox vaccine? Isn't it a

> mild illness?

> A: Chickenpox is a serious disease. The disease can also lead to

> pneumonia, scarring, brain damage, or even death. Those who have

> chickenpox as children often suffer a painful rash called

> shingles as

> adults.

>

> I have been wanting to write to them regarding their FAQ's

> (http://www.immunizetexas.com/#/FAQ/) via their " contact us "

> link, but

> haven't had a chance to sit down long enough to compose my thoughts

> into writing. Maybe we could all start a writing campaign to them.

> Among other things, they are encouraging parents to have their

> children vaccinated even if they are sick! This, to me, seems

> like it

> opens the door to some sort of liability issue for this organization,

> not to mention damage this advice could do to children.

>

>

>

> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Sheri Nakken

> wrote:

> > they can say whatever they want, as there are no consequences

>

[Guest guest]

they have no shame, chickenpox deaths are due to the use of immune depleting

drugs such as steroids, they then sell the vaccine off the back of that

chickpox wasn't considered a killer in 1896 according to my medical dictionary

of that date

Re: Re: Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK on-line

poll - please vote!

The misinformation is everywhere, as we all know too well... there's a

question on the www.immunizetexas.com website that has been nagging

me... okay, all of the answers to the questions on that page bother

me, but the one in particular is:

Q: Why does my child need the chickenpox vaccine? Isn't it a mild illness?

A: Chickenpox is a serious disease. The disease can also lead to

pneumonia, scarring, brain damage, or even death. Those who have

chickenpox as children often suffer a painful rash called shingles as

adults.

I have been wanting to write to them regarding their FAQ's

(http://www.immunizetexas.com/#/FAQ/) via their " contact us " link, but

haven't had a chance to sit down long enough to compose my thoughts

into writing. Maybe we could all start a writing campaign to them.

Among other things, they are encouraging parents to have their

children vaccinated even if they are sick! This, to me, seems like it

opens the door to some sort of liability issue for this organization,

not to mention damage this advice could do to children.

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> they can say whatever they want, as there are no consequences

[Guest guest]

Well, I was actually thinking more along the lines of addressing the

issue of liablilty to the advice to vaccinate while a child is sick,

and including some product inserts stating otherwise. I'm not sure if

they fall under the same law that holds pharmaceutical companies and

doctors harmless from liability for the damage vaccines do, but it

seems to me there should be SOME sort of recourse for this

misinformation.

I agree that it may be a waste of time, but geesh, if we don't

challenge them, who will?

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:10 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

> Trying to convince those whose minds are closed (and who have a financial

> stake) doesn't work. Time is better spent warning parents. Besides, you

> could write something but these sites usually have the final say in what is

> posted.

>

> If you really want to respond to these vaccine pushers, a short " I don't

> think CP is so serious and if I did, I don't think polluting my child's

> bloodstream with vaccines is the solution. "

>

> Winnie

>

> Re: Re: Should the MMR jab be compulsory? - UK

> on-line poll - please vote!

> Vaccinations

>

>> The misinformation is everywhere, as we all know too well...

>> there's a

>> question on the www.immunizetexas.com website that has been nagging

>> me... okay, all of the answers to the questions on that page bother

>> me, but the one in particular is:

>>

>> Q: Why does my child need the chickenpox vaccine? Isn't it a

>> mild illness?

>> A: Chickenpox is a serious disease. The disease can also lead to

>> pneumonia, scarring, brain damage, or even death. Those who have

>> chickenpox as children often suffer a painful rash called

>> shingles as

>> adults.

>>

>> I have been wanting to write to them regarding their FAQ's

>> (http://www.immunizetexas.com/#/FAQ/) via their " contact us "

>> link, but

>> haven't had a chance to sit down long enough to compose my thoughts

>> into writing. Maybe we could all start a writing campaign to them.

>> Among other things, they are encouraging parents to have their

>> children vaccinated even if they are sick! This, to me, seems

>> like it

>> opens the door to some sort of liability issue for this organization,

>> not to mention damage this advice could do to children.

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Sheri Nakken

>> wrote:

>> > they can say whatever they want, as there are no consequences

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd bet measles and mumps weren't considered killers back then

either... I think I remember reading medical opinions of them as late

as the 1960's stating they were relatively benign childhood diseases.

Don't quote me on the timeline though.

As far as chickenpox is concerned, I had it in the 3rd grade and

enjoyed every minute of it. I got to skip school and stay home

watching game shows (I still love game shows) and ate Popsicles while

I waved at all my friends from my front porch as they walked to school

-- I lived 1 1/2 blocks from school in a tiny town where all the kids

walked to school. My parents were so unconcerned about me having the

chickenpox that my dad went to work every day during my illness and my

mom went to sleep so she could work her graveyard shift at the

hospital every night. I was up and watching TV, playing the piano,

playing with my dolls, fed myself and had run of the whole house by

myself and LOVED it! I remember not even feeling sick, just a little

itchy. I was hardly miserable, and I certainly didn't suffer any

brain damage (at least I don't think so! LOL). The fear they are

trying to instill into young parents these days is just maddening!

Anybody here die or suffer brain damage after the chickenpox???

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM, <scu23@...> wrote:

>

> chickpox wasn't considered a killer in 1896 according to my medical

> dictionary of that date

[Guest guest]

I know. It just wears me out to do it.

I just checked the VIS's at the CDC site and, sure enough, they say it's okay to

vax if the child has a mild illness. I also checked a few of the vaccine package

inserts, and no warnings there either, any more. So, I'm not sure where you'll

find the info to back up that warning.

Winnie

Re: Re: Should the MMR jab be

> compulsory? - UK

> > on-line poll - please vote!

> > Vaccinations

> >

> >> The misinformation is everywhere, as we all know too well...

> >> there's a

> >> question on the www.immunizetexas.com website that has been nagging

> >> me... okay, all of the answers to the questions on that page bother

> >> me, but the one in particular is:

> >>

> >> Q: Why does my child need the chickenpox vaccine? Isn't it a

> >> mild illness?

> >> A: Chickenpox is a serious disease. The disease can also lead to

> >> pneumonia, scarring, brain damage, or even death. Those who have

> >> chickenpox as children often suffer a painful rash called

> >> shingles as

> >> adults.

> >>

> >> I have been wanting to write to them regarding their FAQ's

> >> (http://www.immunizetexas.com/#/FAQ/) via their " contact us "

> >> link, but

> >> haven't had a chance to sit down long enough to compose my thoughts

> >> into writing. Maybe we could all start a writing campaign to them.

> >> Among other things, they are encouraging parents to have their

> >> children vaccinated even if they are sick! This, to me, seems

> >> like it

> >> opens the door to some sort of liability issue for this

> organization,>> not to mention damage this advice could do to

> children.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Sheri Nakken

> >> wrote:

> >> > they can say whatever they want, as there are no consequences

> >>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Haha--I had it when I was 12. The only bad memory I have of it is bonking

myself in the forehead with a baton and getting a scar from hitting a pox. So, I

doubt I was even bedridden or I wouldn't have been doing my twirler moves!

Winnie

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> I'd bet measles and mumps weren't considered killers back then

> either... I think I remember reading medical opinions of them

> as late

> as the 1960's stating they were relatively benign childhood diseases.

> Don't quote me on the timeline though.

>

> As far as chickenpox is concerned, I had it in the 3rd grade and

> enjoyed every minute of it. I got to skip school and stay home

> watching game shows (I still love game shows) and ate Popsicles while

> I waved at all my friends from my front porch as they walked to school

> -- I lived 1 1/2 blocks from school in a tiny town where all the kids

> walked to school. My parents were so unconcerned about me

> having the

> chickenpox that my dad went to work every day during my illness

> and my

> mom went to sleep so she could work her graveyard shift at the

> hospital every night. I was up and watching TV, playing the piano,

> playing with my dolls, fed myself and had run of the whole house by

> myself and LOVED it! I remember not even feeling sick, just a little

> itchy. I was hardly miserable, and I certainly didn't suffer any

> brain damage (at least I don't think so! LOL). The fear they are

> trying to instill into young parents these days is just maddening!

> Anybody here die or suffer brain damage after the chickenpox???

>

>

>

>

>

> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM, wrote:

> >

> > chickpox wasn't considered a killer in 1896 according to my medical

> > dictionary of that date

>

[Guest guest]

So THAT's how one gets brain damage from the chicken pox! LOL Winnie,

you're too funny.

Thanks for checking on the insert info for the vaxing while sick

issue. I am highly disappointed, but it doesn't surprise me that the

warning has been removed. They will stoop to anything....f

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:11 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

> Haha--I had it when I was 12. The only bad memory I have of it is bonking

> myself in the forehead with a baton and getting a scar from hitting a pox.

> So, I doubt I was even bedridden or I wouldn't have been doing my twirler

> moves!

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for checking on the insert info for the vaxing while sick

> issue. I am highly disappointed, but it doesn't surprise me that the

> warning has been removed. They will stoop to anything....f

>

>

The information has probably been removed because they consider

asthma, allergies, etc. normal. How often have we been told it's best

to vaccinate even though someone may have a chronic disease. It may

come to pass that even a low grade fever will now become an okay to

vaccinate.

The other reason the information has probably been removed is the

majority (MD's) no longer see real health.

Jackie Noel

www.sagaciousairedales.com

www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

Ha-ha, yes, that must be it!

I know they used to say not to vax when the child is sick. I guess when too many

were sick from the vaccines they decided to stop that.

On a related note, I was talking to a parent at a hockey game tonight whose son

was hacking and coughing. Since my son just got past a similar cough, I

mentioned it to him. He said " Oh, we're always sick. He probably shouldn't be

playing tonight " --as he suited him up and sent him out pale and coughing! He

never played for a minute. Now what was the point? Is it really normal to be

sick all the time that one would continue on their daily routine that way?? I

couldn't help but wonder if they vaxed...

Winnie

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> So THAT's how one gets brain damage from the chicken pox! LOL Winnie,

> you're too funny.

>

> Thanks for checking on the insert info for the vaxing while sick

> issue. I am highly disappointed, but it doesn't surprise me

> that the

> warning has been removed. They will stoop to anything....f

>

>

>

>

>

> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:11 PM, wrote:

> > Haha--I had it when I was 12. The only bad memory I have of it

> is bonking

> > myself in the forehead with a baton and getting a scar from

> hitting a pox.

> > So, I doubt I was even bedridden or I wouldn't have been doing

> my twirler

> > moves!

>

[Guest guest]

I think the concept is if you're going to be sick, might as well learn to

function that way (besides, where else would the OTC drug industry make

money if people weren't constantly doping themselves up on DayQuil?)

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:16 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

> On a related note, I was talking to a parent at a hockey game tonight whose

> son was hacking and coughing. Since my son just got past a similar cough, I

> mentioned it to him. He said " Oh, we're always sick. He probably shouldn't

> be playing tonight " --as he suited him up and sent him out pale and coughing!

> He never played for a minute. Now what was the point? Is it really normal to

> be sick all the time that one would continue on their daily routine that

> way?? I couldn't help but wonder if they vaxed...

>

> Winnie

>