MMR and the Inquest into the Death of Toddler Fisher

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December 05, 2008

 

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/12/mmr-and-the-inq.html

MMR and the Inquest into the Death of Toddler Fisher

Editor's note: This story by on jabs.org/uk is long, absolutely

maddening, beautifully observed, heartbreaking -- and well worth reading. This

is the way the medical and legal establishment turns away from the truth about

vaccine damage -- in this case, the MMR, seizure and death. After reading it,

you will not be surprised by this update: The coroner just ruled Fisher's

death was due to natural causes. This and other reports on the case are

available HERE.  Our sympathies to the family. -- Dan Olmsted.

The Inquest into the Death of Fisher

By

On a dismal and bitterly cold December day, the outside of Gloucester's Shire

Hall's was covered up, hidden behind shabby tarpaulin drooped over scaffolding.

By the lunchtime break it might have occurred to anyone attending the Inquest

into the death of little Fisher, that some caring renovation work would

not have gone amiss on the due process taking place inside the building.

Let me make it clear, procedure may be being followed but there is a distinct

air of collaboration amongst the professionals who seek to cover their own

backs. 

Something that has prevented the Fisher family so far from issuing their belief

clearly, as eye-witnesses to the MMR being the culprit in the death of their 18

month old son and amidst their grief being expected to source the science to

support it and also brief their 'green as grass' barrister of all the ins and

outs and shenanigans to date. The early indication from the Coroner's confession

of " being a lawyer not a medical man " did little to instill great confidence

considering he has sole decision on the outcome of this important case.

Positioning of the powerful within the semi-circular chamber was obvious, in

the, more than a hint-of-sixties styled, brightly lit courtroom. In command of

the proceedings, for this case is Coroner Alan Crickmore in the highest seat

with the grandiose pale wooden surroundings. A clerk chaired at ground level

beneath him facing out to the family, ready to read statements to the theatre

auditorium calls " all stand " as Mr Crickmore enters (and leaves), which I

thought only happened in American dramas, obviously not. Three  seating sections

sprayed out from the centre, the middle occupied by the family fronted by their

barrister, to their right they were flanked by pharma and nursing

representatives, and their left by Immunisation Department bods and doctors,

most notable being Dr Liz . Media and public to the rear.

 

The accepted experience of these proceedings being more " every day " to the

Coroner and professionals trained up for just such circumstances is countered by

the awesome and menacing importance of this for the Fishers who were thrust into

this dauntingly emotional process by the tragic experience of discovering their

son dead in his cot.  The stuff of all our nightmares'. Scant regard or

consideration seemed to be given to how 'abnormal' all of this procedure this is

to them was highlighted by an incidence at the beginning when 's disabled

Auntie, sitting on an automatic scooter hidden from view behind the half height

wooden semi-circular wall in front of her dared to speak up to say (quite

rightly) that she couldn't hear. Accompanied by her husband with a hearing aid

in each ear. It was all handled so insensitively by Coroner Crickmore who

promptly stamped his authority and rather rudely told her to move herself to a

better position.

 

Deposited as she was, on the main carpeted routeway, with no seating he ought to

have deduced why she positioned there in the first place. It was left to her old

man to explain that she was disabled and couldn't shift, he too was not handled

with any deference. An Usher saved the situation by giving her a

microphone/speaker set. Nerves were by now jangling throughout the room that if

the disabled were handled like this how would the rest of us be treated if we

dared make a sound? I think he was rather clumsily, making a point of showing he

would not be messed with, by anyone! Quite frankly we were ALL wondering how we

were going to hear as she bravely bore the brunt of his opinion on

interruptions.

However, he managed to do a fair old bit of it himself throughout, cutting the

family barrister off before she'd reached the end of her first sentence on a

couple of notable occasions and giving her a verbal dressing down. Do as I say

but not as I do! She was a little too obedient for my liking. He was having no

" asking a question one way, then putting it in another way in order to extract a

different answer " - this sort of directness would indeed be welcomed at the

everlasting hearing for Dr's Wakefield, - and Murch.

The mumbling mutterings of Dr Alan ph Day were irritatingly quiet, yet

no-one dared say a thing. He was there to give his professional opinion, as a

local Consultant Paediatrician, in an evidence report he'd written in March

2008. It covered 's medical history relating to his first febrile

convulsion in the September prior to his death the following January, how it was

a short but dramatic seizure not a fifteen minute one that would have caused

more concern. No further monitoring of was done up to his death. Dr Day

did not see when he was alive. As far as giving him the MMR, there were

no contra-indications as far as he was concerned, he was asked to state his

opinion on MMR, he declined. It was remarkable. His voice barely audible,

crucial sentences were left unfinished, hanging in the air, for example, " each

case needs it's own...... " ??? Not a word from the Chair on high - why not?

Perhaps he too couldn't hear.

 

When Mr Barton, from Sanofi, brought out the big files he deftly rounded on

Calpol and Medi-ced as being neither a cure or preventative of fits. He managed

to visibly quosh Dr Day's confidence in his 'standard advice' to use them, as he

was asked to read out the conclusion from " NICE Guidelines of 'expert opinion'

on the clinical handling of fever advice recommendations " that based on reported

side-effects such drugs should not be used with other drugs and the dangers of

it being given while the child is dehydrated. This is the point where the

family's barrister should have leapt to her feet and asked him to read out the

list of reported symptoms of adverse reactions to MMR on their own product sheet

because Georgie had displayed a range of them, but she didn't an opportunity

missed. 

      

The determined base of Sanofi's case is to pin it on another product. Mr Barton

is an top barrister, a 'troubleshooter', oozing confidence without a shred of

arrogance, he's eloquent and direct and very sharp. There was, however too

little Medi-ced left in Georgies bloodstream, as he had been sick after his milk

bottle the previous evening to give this as a credible cause of death. No, the

MMR had left Georgie with a runny nose, straight after, diarrhoea (he also was

teething), sore ears, a temperature of 37.5, vomiting even though he went out

and played football after, he was off his food, and had sore red eyes which had

prompted his Mum to phone to make a doctors appointment he had died before she

could take him to. He reacting to the three live viruses that were in his

system. It clearly tortured his Mum wondering if she'd only given him more

perhaps his temperature would not have got so high and he wouldn't have fitted.

It was so hard to hear how this robust toddler died. He was a remarkably good

birth weight almost 8lbs 10oz, he breastfed well until aged 11 months. He was

the youngest of four children, and were well-experienced and

instinctive parents. They too felt they had no real concerns. His feisty nature

was described by them both in turn, how he could lift a baby sit-in car above

his head at age twelve months and managed to move his cot across the wooden

floor of his bedroom whilst still in it. Many times we heard the circumstances

in the run up to and subsequent discovery of his body and it prompted tears

around the room and broken voices particularly that of the Practice Nurse,

Hannah who administered with the MMR on January 9th. She could

not recall the process of the case but followed a regular pattern of checking

notes and medical records and informing the parents putting them at ease. She,

of course attends regular updates.

and both maintained this was not done, they were not given the

correct advice or even a leaflet, for had they known to be aware of monitoring

their son more closely they would have admitted him to hospital or may not have

given him the 3-in-1 jab at all. Unbelievably, being asked just that by the

coroner, " what they would have done if they knew " was probably again as

insensitive as could be in the circumstances, seeing as they were sitting at his

inquest. His parents remained brave and dignified but also fidgety with concerns

that important points were being missed out which gave rise to a rebuke by

Cornoner Crickmore for mum Fisher when she spoke up unannounced during

Dad, Chris's testimony. 

      

How much do a couple need to endure before their words are heard fairly?

Patience and time seems to be granted to the emotionally detached, cooly

uncaring back saving professionals. Why? What a price to pay 'for the greater

good'. Will the same nit-picking as that done into Calpol and Medi-ced be given

to MMR? I very much doubt it. For all children due for their MMR, it ought to

be.

      

Later on Dr. Liz admitted this can happen after MMR, that febrile

convulsions can happen, and is most active on the tenth day being a true

possibility. A damning testimony a little too carefully wrapped up in

deniability – with again, no cross-examination worth it's salt. Dr Liz

was brought in to replace Dr Fink , to be impartial, but how impartial when she

was party to the very introduction process of the MMR into the UK. She's hardly

going to admit she made a mistake, so any reservations will be ably batted away

with a swipe from her five other experts who are coming over well. 

The hardest point raised was the suggestion that on the morning of s

death, had gone in to the room and moved his sister Meg, who was awake and

had got into Georgie's cot, the poor little soul had obviously spotted that

something was amiss. had lifted her out and put her in her own bed. There

was 18 months between them but they were almost the same size as was " big

for his age " , they shared a room. Again, insensitively put, the Coroner's

directness asked that there could be no possibility that she might have covered

smothering him? There was none. Dad lifted her out of the cot then he'd

gone off to work at 7.30am hoping not to waken up, but not realizing he

was probably already dead.

found him around twenty minutes later, having beforehand directed clingy

Meg to " get into mum's bed for a cuddle " not making the connection for Meg's

distress. Then she went to get Georgie, found he was cold, his arms either side

of his head, bubbles at his mouth his teeth firmly clenched, dead.

A fit?

She took him downstairs wrapped in a blanket and laid him on the sofa and rang

the emergency services. Police and paramedics arrived to a distraught household,

they tried to resuscitate him but failed he was declared deceased at 8.25am on

January 19th 2006, 10 days after his MMR. His lungs and blood showed measles

virus, he had an enlarged spleen which means he was fending off a virus – or

three.

I have never been to an inquest before. I am the Mum of a boy who became

severely autistic after his MMR. I sat next to Jackie Fletcher, of JABS a

remarkable lady and mother to who has a most profound disability after

his MMR too. We have reason to believe that the faith and trust we parents place

in those guardians of public health on immunisations has become much more about

their own protection than our childrens'. We have been betrayed. We trusted

their word and gave the vaccine they recommended. So much more depth and honesty

is deserved when it goes wrong but in this case it would be admitting to murder

if they knew about adverse reactions yet persisted with their safety assurances.

Unfortunately I predict that no-one will be held accountable and the death put

down to an " unascertained cause " .

My deepest sympathy is with and Fisher, devoted parents of Georgie,

and their family.

 

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[Guest guest]

His lungs and blood showed measles virus, he

had an enlarged spleen which means he was fending off a virus ­ or three.

terrible

Sheri

At 12:36 PM 12/5/2008, you wrote:

>December 05, 2008

>

>http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/12/mmr-and-the-inq.html

>

>MMR and the Inquest into the Death of Toddler Fisher

>

>

>Editor's note: This story by on

>jabs.org/uk is long, absolutely maddening,

>beautifully observed, heartbreaking -- and well

>worth reading. This is the way the medical and

>legal establishment turns away from the truth

>about vaccine damage -- in this case, the MMR,

>seizure and death. After reading it, you will

>not be surprised by this update: The coroner

>just ruled Fisher's death was due to

>natural causes. This and other reports on the

>case are available HERE. Our sympathies to the family. -- Dan Olmsted.

>

>The Inquest into the Death of Fisher

>

>By

>

>On a dismal and bitterly cold December day, the

>outside of Gloucester's Shire Hall's was covered

>up, hidden behind shabby tarpaulin drooped over

>scaffolding. By the lunchtime break it might

>have occurred to anyone attending the Inquest

>into the death of little Fisher, that

>some caring renovation work would not have gone

>amiss on the due process taking place inside the building.

>

>Let me make it clear, procedure may be being

>followed but there is a distinct air of

>collaboration amongst the professionals who seek to cover their own backs.

>

>Something that has prevented the Fisher family

>so far from issuing their belief clearly, as

>eye-witnesses to the MMR being the culprit in

>the death of their 18 month old son and amidst

>their grief being expected to source the science

>to support it and also brief their 'green as

>grass' barrister of all the ins and outs and

>shenanigans to date. The early indication from

>the Coroner's confession of " being a lawyer not

>a medical man " did little to instill great

>confidence considering he has sole decision on

>the outcome of this important case.

>Positioning of the powerful within the

>semi-circular chamber was obvious, in the, more

>than a hint-of-sixties styled, brightly lit

>courtroom. In command of the proceedings, for

>this case is Coroner Alan Crickmore in the

>highest seat with the grandiose pale wooden

>surroundings. A clerk chaired at ground level

>beneath him facing out to the family, ready to

>read statements to the theatre auditorium calls

> " all stand " as Mr Crickmore enters (and leaves),

>which I thought only happened in American

>dramas, obviously not. Three seating sections

>sprayed out from the centre, the middle occupied

>by the family fronted by their barrister, to

>their right they were flanked by pharma and

>nursing representatives, and their left by

>Immunisation Department bods and doctors, most

>notable being Dr Liz . Media and public to the rear.

>

>The accepted experience of these proceedings

>being more " every day " to the Coroner and

>professionals trained up for just such

>circumstances is countered by the awesome and

>menacing importance of this for the Fishers who

>were thrust into this dauntingly emotional

>process by the tragic experience of discovering

>their son dead in his cot. The stuff of all our

>nightmares'. Scant regard or consideration

>seemed to be given to how 'abnormal' all of this

>procedure this is to them was highlighted by an

>incidence at the beginning when 's disabled

>Auntie, sitting on an automatic scooter hidden

>from view behind the half height wooden

>semi-circular wall in front of her dared to

>speak up to say (quite rightly) that she

>couldn't hear. Accompanied by her husband with a

>hearing aid in each ear. It was all handled so

>insensitively by Coroner Crickmore who promptly

>stamped his authority and rather rudely told her

>to move herself to a better position.

>

>Deposited as she was, on the main carpeted

>routeway, with no seating he ought to have

>deduced why she positioned there in the first

>place. It was left to her old man to explain

>that she was disabled and couldn't shift, he too

>was not handled with any deference. An Usher

>saved the situation by giving her a

>microphone/speaker set. Nerves were by now

>jangling throughout the room that if the

>disabled were handled like this how would the

>rest of us be treated if we dared make a sound?

>I think he was rather clumsily, making a point

>of showing he would not be messed with, by

>anyone! Quite frankly we were ALL wondering how

>we were going to hear as she bravely bore the

>brunt of his opinion on interruptions.

>However, he managed to do a fair old bit of it

>himself throughout, cutting the family barrister

>off before she'd reached the end of her first

>sentence on a couple of notable occasions and

>giving her a verbal dressing down. Do as I say

>but not as I do! She was a little too obedient

>for my liking. He was having no " asking a

>question one way, then putting it in another way

>in order to extract a different answer " - this

>sort of directness would indeed be welcomed at

>the everlasting hearing for Dr's Wakefield, - and Murch.

>The mumbling mutterings of Dr Alan ph Day

>were irritatingly quiet, yet no-one dared say a

>thing. He was there to give his professional

>opinion, as a local Consultant Paediatrician, in

>an evidence report he'd written in March 2008.

>It covered 's medical history relating to

>his first febrile convulsion in the September

>prior to his death the following January, how it

>was a short but dramatic seizure not a fifteen

>minute one that would have caused more concern.

>No further monitoring of was done up to

>his death. Dr Day did not see when he was

>alive. As far as giving him the MMR, there were

>no contra-indications as far as he was

>concerned, he was asked to state his opinion on

>MMR, he declined. It was remarkable. His voice

>barely audible, crucial sentences were left

>unfinished, hanging in the air, for example,

> " each case needs it's own...... " ??? Not a word

>from the Chair on high - why not? Perhaps he too couldn't hear.

>

>When Mr Barton, from Sanofi, brought out the big

>files he deftly rounded on Calpol and Medi-ced

>as being neither a cure or preventative of fits.

>He managed to visibly quosh Dr Day's confidence

>in his 'standard advice' to use them, as he was

>asked to read out the conclusion from " NICE

>Guidelines of 'expert opinion' on the clinical

>handling of fever advice recommendations " that

>based on reported side-effects such drugs should

>not be used with other drugs and the dangers of

>it being given while the child is dehydrated.

>This is the point where the family's barrister

>should have leapt to her feet and asked him to

>read out the list of reported symptoms of

>adverse reactions to MMR on their own product

>sheet because Georgie had displayed a range of

>them, but she didn't an opportunity missed.

>

>The determined base of Sanofi's case is to pin

>it on another product. Mr Barton is an top

>barrister, a 'troubleshooter', oozing confidence

>without a shred of arrogance, he's eloquent and

>direct and very sharp. There was, however too

>little Medi-ced left in Georgies bloodstream, as

>he had been sick after his milk bottle the

>previous evening to give this as a credible

>cause of death. No, the MMR had left Georgie

>with a runny nose, straight after, diarrhoea (he

>also was teething), sore ears, a temperature of

>37.5, vomiting even though he went out and

>played football after, he was off his food, and

>had sore red eyes which had prompted his Mum to

>phone to make a doctors appointment he had died

>before she could take him to. He reacting to the

>three live viruses that were in his system. It

>clearly tortured his Mum wondering if she'd only

>given him more perhaps his temperature would not

>have got so high and he wouldn't have fitted.

>It was so hard to hear how this robust toddler

>died. He was a remarkably good birth weight

>almost 8lbs 10oz, he breastfed well until aged

>11 months. He was the youngest of four children,

> and were well-experienced and

>instinctive parents. They too felt they had no

>real concerns. His feisty nature was described

>by them both in turn, how he could lift a baby

>sit-in car above his head at age twelve months

>and managed to move his cot across the wooden

>floor of his bedroom whilst still in it. Many

>times we heard the circumstances in the run up

>to and subsequent discovery of his body and it

>prompted tears around the room and broken voices

>particularly that of the Practice Nurse, Hannah

> who administered with the MMR on

>January 9th. She could not recall the process of

>the case but followed a regular pattern of

>checking notes and medical records and informing

>the parents putting them at ease. She, of course attends regular updates.

> and both maintained this was not

> done, they were not given the correct advice or

> even a leaflet, for had they known to be aware

> of monitoring their son more closely they would

> have admitted him to hospital or may not have

> given him the 3-in-1 jab at all. Unbelievably,

> being asked just that by the coroner, " what

> they would have done if they knew " was probably

> again as insensitive as could be in the

> circumstances, seeing as they were sitting at

> his inquest. His parents remained brave and

> dignified but also fidgety with concerns that

> important points were being missed out which

> gave rise to a rebuke by Cornoner Crickmore for

> mum Fisher when she spoke up unannounced during Dad, Chris's testimony.

>

>How much do a couple need to endure before their

>words are heard fairly? Patience and time seems

>to be granted to the emotionally detached, cooly

>uncaring back saving professionals. Why? What a

>price to pay 'for the greater good'. Will the

>same nit-picking as that done into Calpol and

>Medi-ced be given to MMR? I very much doubt it.

>For all children due for their MMR, it ought to be.

>

>Later on Dr. Liz admitted this can happen

>after MMR, that febrile convulsions can happen,

>and is most active on the tenth day being a true

>possibility. A damning testimony a little too

>carefully wrapped up in deniability ­ with

>again, no cross-examination worth it's salt. Dr

>Liz was brought in to replace Dr Fink ,

>to be impartial, but how impartial when she was

>party to the very introduction process of the

>MMR into the UK. She's hardly going to admit she

>made a mistake, so any reservations will be ably

>batted away with a swipe from her five other

>experts who are coming over well.

>The hardest point raised was the suggestion that

>on the morning of s death, had gone

>in to the room and moved his sister Meg, who was

>awake and had got into Georgie's cot, the poor

>little soul had obviously spotted that something

>was amiss. had lifted her out and put her

>in her own bed. There was 18 months between them

>but they were almost the same size as was

> " big for his age " , they shared a room. Again,

>insensitively put, the Coroner's directness

>asked that there could be no possibility that

>she might have covered smothering him?

>There was none. Dad lifted her out of the cot

>then he'd gone off to work at 7.30am hoping not

>to waken up, but not realizing he was probably already dead.

> found him around twenty minutes later,

>having beforehand directed clingy Meg to " get

>into mum's bed for a cuddle " not making the

>connection for Meg's distress. Then she went to

>get Georgie, found he was cold, his arms either

>side of his head, bubbles at his mouth his teeth firmly clenched, dead.

>A fit?

>She took him downstairs wrapped in a blanket and

>laid him on the sofa and rang the emergency

>services. Police and paramedics arrived to a

>distraught household, they tried to resuscitate

>him but failed he was declared deceased at

>8.25am on January 19th 2006, 10 days after his

>MMR. His lungs and blood showed measles virus,

>he had an enlarged spleen which means he was fending off a virus ­ or three.

>I have never been to an inquest before. I am the

>Mum of a boy who became severely autistic after

>his MMR. I sat next to Jackie Fletcher, of JABS

>a remarkable lady and mother to who has a

>most profound disability after his MMR too. We

>have reason to believe that the faith and trust

>we parents place in those guardians of public

>health on immunisations has become much more

>about their own protection than our childrens'.

>We have been betrayed. We trusted their word and

>gave the vaccine they recommended. So much more

>depth and honesty is deserved when it goes wrong

>but in this case it would be admitting to murder

>if they knew about adverse reactions yet

>persisted with their safety assurances.

>Unfortunately I predict that no-one will be held

>accountable and the death put down to an " unascertained cause " .

>My deepest sympathy is with and Chris

>Fisher, devoted parents of Georgie, and their family.

>

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