homeopathy case records...

[Guest guest]

Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of invaluable

information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

Mavis

In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

Jenn L

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Did you happen to see the post that I made earlier, posted below again.

With my limited knowledge, I would have to say that each case is

individualized and that of course there would be certain remedies that would

fit more

often than others due to certain similarities between some children. I am sure

that there are papers written about this though I haven't researched it

myself. The important thing to remember and what I believe Dr. Luc is trying

to

convey below is that, to come up with one remedy or set of remedies for

Autistic children is more like allopathic prescribing than classical

homeopathic

prescribing and the kind of thinking that leads us away from the science of

homeopathy.

I'm sure you could gather much info by googling " homeopathic autistic cases "

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Thursday, December 4, 2008

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Question: Dear Dr. Luc, I heard your interview with Ms. Lansky and my

question arises from that conversation. A complete cure for autism with

classical homeopathy was discussed, the enormous possibility and beauty of

it. My question arises from that premise. As a parent, I always hear about

the cure of Ms. Lansky child and only that case. A cure in another child was

not reproduced by the particular homeopath using the skill, to the best of

my knowledge. It is like Secretin curing one child. So my concerns persist

on many levels and my question is from that backdrop- I want to believe in a

cure. I am interested in numbers to base my faith. Would you be willing to

give some data- say, in the last 5 years of your practice, how many children

have been cured, what is their percentage (in who have been at least a year

or two with you) their age range and the severity of symptoms? The severity

of symptoms is important since it may be easier to see progress in a child

who is mildly affected than a child who is severely affected. I would

consider a child around age 3-5 who is impaired with low or no speech, no

intent to communicate, in pain, low functional skills, very lost in the

body's dysfunction to pay attention to life as very severely affected. I

apologize for my tough question and thank you in advance.

Answer: It is a fair question. And if anything one needs to discuss what

a " cure " means Certainly the return to a child that is like any other child:

functioning as any other child and taking in account that no child is

perfect. I say this because sometimes the parent has difficulty

distinguishing between a normal child and a child with special needs. There

are no perfect children like there are no perfect adults. They remain a work

in process continuously. My work with these children goes back till 1995 at

least where I saw in NJ at least 3 new patients everyday for the time I was

there. They were mostly named ADD and ADHD and almost all of them would be

called ASD at this point. This is just a name giving game. There are many of

that time that were completely cured as after all these years and being back

in practice I have heard from them over these past years how well they are

doing and what profession they chose. Obviously we are not in the job of

making statistics. What professionnals and patients need to understand are

the " directions of cure " and this is often very poorly understood. And for

sure it is wrong because a certain remedy cured a child to think it will

cure all these children (that is allopathic thinking). A direction of cure

is following Hering's observations: see my lessons for the public on my web

site. Especially two pathways need to be followed: One: the symptoms need to

improve from mental to emotional to physical (so for instance from speech to

obstinacy to hypotonia) Second pathway:from syphilitic expressions (ie, no

eye contact) to Sycosis (jealousy, restlessness, etc) to psora (wanting

support, clingy behavior) In the book I am writing I detail extensively ALL

these expressions of the ASD child so the parent can judge for himself. For

instance I get daily emails telling me: he speaks better, focuses better,

understands better (all mental symptoms) but he still has maldigestion. Give

me something for that. I don't need to. The remedy works on all planes and

was chosen accordingly but this kind of progression progression is a cure

taking place. And you know what makes my work VERY hard: that parents have

already put their children on 30-40 supplements from DAN doctors and even as

in the case above, great improvement takes place, they still add other

products because they heard over internet (I cal it Cyber medicine) that

some kid benefitted from such or such " magic " supplement. And then everyone

adds it to the child's regimen (this is truly allopathic prescribing) So

many

then react to supplements, create further problems which require more

supplements...an endless story. Drugs (nizarol, antivirals,) are given with

die off and other reactions which require than more supplements...this to

children who all have absorption problems and gut problems. How can such

child take all these drugs and supplements? And then I have to manoever my

remedy in all this...and frankly I don't think any DAN dr has to deal with 3

hours email everyday (in fact zero I am sure) But much of what I spend my

days to in these emails in trying to clean up the mess that was created. I

am not bitter about it but I can understand why this is happening. This

Biomedicine looks expressive and scientific (based on biochemistry and

physiology) and is obviously more allopathic based than anything else...but

it sure makes my task much more difficult. And the parents have less

patience with homeopathy with its subtle curative actions than suppressive

actions. And by the way I would say it is a lot easier to see progress in a

severely affected child. I see plenty of these children. There is so much

more to say about your question. I have already 250 pages of my book and it

is far from being finished. Certainly the quality of homeopathic education

needs to improve worldwide!

Warmest regards

Dr luc

In a message dated 12/5/2008 4:12:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

What I am looking for is:

What symptoms were addressed in the autistic population?

I would want to only gather the info. from (Heinemann) Classical Homeopaths

so I can see the info. using remedies that are not mixed together or for

acute illnesses.

I want to see since many of these kids share symptoms if there would be a

certain remedy that is working the best for each type of autism. Since there

are different types of autism or different toxins causing it, it would be nice

to see if those groups reponded to the same remedy. Jenn L

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Again, everyone is different! I am sure that there are cases that run the

spectrum of time.

In a message dated 12/5/2008 4:16:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

How quickly can someone see a remedy working for say autistic symtoms that

the person had for years? Jenn L

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Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

Jenn L

[Guest guest]

At 03:02 PM 12/5/2008, you wrote:

>How quickly can someone see a remedy working for say autistic

>symtoms that the person had for years? Jenn L

All has to be looked at - we should see something within a few weeks

> Re: homeopathy case records...

>

>

>

> Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

> of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of invaluable

> information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

> determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

>

> Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

>

> Mavis

>

> In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> jlessard1@... writes:

>

> Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

> Jenn L

>

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I'm not totally clear what you are saying.

The remedy has to be totally individualized. It could be any of them.

There isn't a list of the most successful.

Sheri

At 03:00 PM 12/5/2008, you wrote:

>What I am looking for is:

>What symptoms were addressed in the autistic population?

>I would want to only gather the info. from (Heinemann)

>Classical Homeopaths so I can see the info. using remedies that are

>not mixed together or for acute illnesses.

>I want to see since many of these kids share symptoms if there would

>be a certain remedy that is working the best for each type of

>autism. Since there are different types of autism or different

>toxins causing it, it would be nice to see if those groups reponded

>to the same remedy. Jenn L

> Re: homeopathy case records...

>

>

>

> Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

> of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of invaluable

> information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

> determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

>

> Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

>

> Mavis

>

> In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> jlessard1@... writes:

>

> Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

> Jenn L

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

What I am looking for is:

What symptoms were addressed in the autistic population?

I would want to only gather the info. from (Heinemann) Classical Homeopaths so

I can see the info. using remedies that are not mixed together or for acute

illnesses.

I want to see since many of these kids share symptoms if there would be a

certain remedy that is working the best for each type of autism. Since there are

different types of autism or different toxins causing it, it would be nice to

see if those groups reponded to the same remedy. Jenn L

Re: homeopathy case records...

Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of invaluable

information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

Mavis

In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

Jenn L

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How quickly can someone see a remedy working for say autistic symtoms that the

person had for years? Jenn L

Re: homeopathy case records...

Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of invaluable

information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

Mavis

In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

Jenn L

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I understand what you're saying but I'd still like to see.

Jenn L

Re: homeopathy case records...

Did you happen to see the post that I made earlier, posted below again.

With my limited knowledge, I would have to say that each case is

individualized and that of course there would be certain remedies that would

fit more

often than others due to certain similarities between some children. I am sure

that there are papers written about this though I haven't researched it

myself. The important thing to remember and what I believe Dr. Luc is trying

to

convey below is that, to come up with one remedy or set of remedies for

Autistic children is more like allopathic prescribing than classical

homeopathic

prescribing and the kind of thinking that leads us away from the science of

homeopathy.

I'm sure you could gather much info by googling " homeopathic autistic cases "

_BLOG: Cure: what does it mean?_

(http://drluc.blogspot.com/2008/12/cure-what-does-it-mean.html)

Thursday, December 4, 2008

_Cure: what does it mean?_

(http://drluc.blogspot.com/2008/12/cure-what-does-it-mean.html)

Question: Dear Dr. Luc, I heard your interview with Ms. Lansky and my

question arises from that conversation. A complete cure for autism with

classical homeopathy was discussed, the enormous possibility and beauty of

it. My question arises from that premise. As a parent, I always hear about

the cure of Ms. Lansky child and only that case. A cure in another child was

not reproduced by the particular homeopath using the skill, to the best of

my knowledge. It is like Secretin curing one child. So my concerns persist

on many levels and my question is from that backdrop- I want to believe in a

cure. I am interested in numbers to base my faith. Would you be willing to

give some data- say, in the last 5 years of your practice, how many children

have been cured, what is their percentage (in who have been at least a year

or two with you) their age range and the severity of symptoms? The severity

of symptoms is important since it may be easier to see progress in a child

who is mildly affected than a child who is severely affected. I would

consider a child around age 3-5 who is impaired with low or no speech, no

intent to communicate, in pain, low functional skills, very lost in the

body's dysfunction to pay attention to life as very severely affected. I

apologize for my tough question and thank you in advance.

Answer: It is a fair question. And if anything one needs to discuss what

a " cure " means Certainly the return to a child that is like any other child:

functioning as any other child and taking in account that no child is

perfect. I say this because sometimes the parent has difficulty

distinguishing between a normal child and a child with special needs. There

are no perfect children like there are no perfect adults. They remain a work

in process continuously. My work with these children goes back till 1995 at

least where I saw in NJ at least 3 new patients everyday for the time I was

there. They were mostly named ADD and ADHD and almost all of them would be

called ASD at this point. This is just a name giving game. There are many of

that time that were completely cured as after all these years and being back

in practice I have heard from them over these past years how well they are

doing and what profession they chose. Obviously we are not in the job of

making statistics. What professionnals and patients need to understand are

the " directions of cure " and this is often very poorly understood. And for

sure it is wrong because a certain remedy cured a child to think it will

cure all these children (that is allopathic thinking). A direction of cure

is following Hering's observations: see my lessons for the public on my web

site. Especially two pathways need to be followed: One: the symptoms need to

improve from mental to emotional to physical (so for instance from speech to

obstinacy to hypotonia) Second pathway:from syphilitic expressions (ie, no

eye contact) to Sycosis (jealousy, restlessness, etc) to psora (wanting

support, clingy behavior) In the book I am writing I detail extensively ALL

these expressions of the ASD child so the parent can judge for himself. For

instance I get daily emails telling me: he speaks better, focuses better,

understands better (all mental symptoms) but he still has maldigestion. Give

me something for that. I don't need to. The remedy works on all planes and

was chosen accordingly but this kind of progression progression is a cure

taking place. And you know what makes my work VERY hard: that parents have

already put their children on 30-40 supplements from DAN doctors and even as

in the case above, great improvement takes place, they still add other

products because they heard over internet (I cal it Cyber medicine) that

some kid benefitted from such or such " magic " supplement. And then everyone

adds it to the child's regimen (this is truly allopathic prescribing) So

many

then react to supplements, create further problems which require more

supplements...an endless story. Drugs (nizarol, antivirals,) are given with

die off and other reactions which require than more supplements...this to

children who all have absorption problems and gut problems. How can such

child take all these drugs and supplements? And then I have to manoever my

remedy in all this...and frankly I don't think any DAN dr has to deal with 3

hours email everyday (in fact zero I am sure) But much of what I spend my

days to in these emails in trying to clean up the mess that was created. I

am not bitter about it but I can understand why this is happening. This

Biomedicine looks expressive and scientific (based on biochemistry and

physiology) and is obviously more allopathic based than anything else...but

it sure makes my task much more difficult. And the parents have less

patience with homeopathy with its subtle curative actions than suppressive

actions. And by the way I would say it is a lot easier to see progress in a

severely affected child. I see plenty of these children. There is so much

more to say about your question. I have already 250 pages of my book and it

is far from being finished. Certainly the quality of homeopathic education

needs to improve worldwide!

Warmest regards

Dr luc

In a message dated 12/5/2008 4:12:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jlessard1@... writes:

What I am looking for is:

What symptoms were addressed in the autistic population?

I would want to only gather the info. from (Heinemann) Classical Homeopaths

so I can see the info. using remedies that are not mixed together or for

acute illnesses.

I want to see since many of these kids share symptoms if there would be a

certain remedy that is working the best for each type of autism. Since there

are different types of autism or different toxins causing it, it would be nice

to see if those groups reponded to the same remedy. Jenn L

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There are few that have identical symptoms so I guess I would be interested to

see what the most used remedy was in that group. Jenn L

Re: homeopathy case records...

>

>

>

> Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

> of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of invaluable

> information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

> determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

>

> Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

>

> Mavis

>

> In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> jlessard1@... writes:

>

> Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

> Jenn L

>

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At 04:06 PM 12/5/2008, you wrote:

>There are few that have identical symptoms so I guess I would be

>interested to see what the most used remedy was in that group. Jenn L\\

We don't go by the common symptoms which is what most of the

identical symptoms are - common to all or most with a diagnosis of autism.

We go by what is unique with your child, different from other kids

with autism diagnosis and about their history and about you and the

baby's father at conception and during pregnancy.

Sheri

> Re: homeopathy case records...

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

> > of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of

> invaluable

> > information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

> > determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

> >

> > Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

> >

> > Mavis

> >

> > In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > jlessard1@... writes:

> >

> > Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

> > Jenn L

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This is not entirely true though. Homeopathy works with the

DISsimilarities to individualize a remedy to a person. In other

words, two children could appear to have identical symptoms, but there

WILL be subtle differences... such as a symptom may be worse at night

in one and day in the other, could be aggravated by eating a certain

food, where the other can eat that same food with no aggravation, one

could be aggravated by cold while the other one prefers cold, one

could have a sniffle and one not, etc. No two people are EVER

identical... even twins, which is why classical homeopathy works based

on the individual, and doesn't diagnose a specific remedy " for the

masses " . Homeopathy is highly specific.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM, J lessard <jlessard1@...> wrote:

> There are few that have identical symptoms so I guess I would be interested

> to see what the most used remedy was in that group. Jenn L

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. Thanks for this info. I think I see now. Jenn L

Re: homeopathy case records...

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, they do! My Homeopath had my children's records after 15 years or so

> > of not seeing them. When they take a case, they gather a lot of

> invaluable

> > information and they certainly would need it to follow the cases and to

> > determine if the remedy prescribed is bringing the results expected.

> >

> > Are you looking for something specific as far as cases go?

> >

> > Mavis

> >

> > In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:24:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > jlessard1@... writes:

> >

> > Do any homeopaths here keep their case info./records?

> > Jenn L

> >

> > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and

> > favorite sites in one place. Try it now.

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>

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Since homeopathy gets this technical there probably aren't 2 autistic kids with

exactly the same symptoms. Jenn L

Re: homeopathy case records...

This is not entirely true though. Homeopathy works with the

DISsimilarities to individualize a remedy to a person. In other

words, two children could appear to have identical symptoms, but there

WILL be subtle differences... such as a symptom may be worse at night

in one and day in the other, could be aggravated by eating a certain

food, where the other can eat that same food with no aggravation, one

could be aggravated by cold while the other one prefers cold, one

could have a sniffle and one not, etc. No two people are EVER

identical... even twins, which is why classical homeopathy works based

on the individual, and doesn't diagnose a specific remedy " for the

masses " . Homeopathy is highly specific.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM, J lessard <jlessard1@...> wrote:

> There are few that have identical symptoms so I guess I would be interested

> to see what the most used remedy was in that group. Jenn L

[Guest guest]

Exactly! That's the beauty of homeopathy and why it works so

well... because it IS so highly techincal and specific.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:14 AM, J lessard <jlessard1@...> wrote:

> Since homeopathy gets this technical there probably aren't 2 autistic kids

> with exactly the same symptoms. Jenn L