Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins :)

[Guest guest]

Welcome, and congratulations on your son! Good for you to question

vaccines, and I can see why after your experiences. I think you put it a great

way, that vaccinating is engraved on our brains. That is so true.

Now, I know it's scary not to vaccinate when we're taught to believe in it. But

you will come to see that vaccines are far scarier. First, look at the risks.

When you vaccinate, the risk of reactions is immediate. When you don't

vaccinate, the risk of disease is NOT immediate. First, you have to be

exposed--which might never happen. Then you have to come down with the disease

(and even then, your child is far from doomed). Until that point, there is no

risk comparison between vaxing and not vaxing. Does that make sense?

The second thing is that unless vaccines work, there is no risk vs. benefit to

weigh. There just plain is no benefit. That takes awhile to come to understand.

Most people still think well, it's risky but at least there will be protection.

NOT TRUE.

You mention pneumonia. All four of my children have had it. None had the

vaccine. All got through it (and I did use antibiotcs). I believe my earlier use

of traditional meds, antibiotics, etc. for minor illnesses affected their immune

systems and left them susceptible. I didn't know any alternatives at the time.

I have had a lot of scary experiences with childhood illnesses but it hasn't

been with measles, mumps, rubella, Hep. B, etc. My longest lasting and scariest

was a couple of years nursing one son through asthma from a reaction to the MMR.

On the vitamins, I never gave a baby vitamin supplements, but I was

breastfeeding. If you are, you could take the vitamins yourself. If not,

hopefully someone here can share what they would do. I would use homeopathy and

give lots of fluids, and use a vaporizer if the baby got a cold.

Winnie

Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

> I'm glad I found this group...

>

> I have a 3.5 months old son who I delivered naturally and who

> did not

> receive the vitamin K shot, eye ointments nor the HepB shot they urged

> us to give him (the only thing we did was plant-derived, oral vitamin

> K - he did have some bruising from 180 minutes of pushing). He

> has not

> received any vaccines since I didn't feel comfortable. I'm doing lots

> of research and don't want to do any vaccines at this point,

> period. I

> do feel a little scared though, it's really engraved deeply into my

> brain...

> I was vaccinated because there was no choice anyways until I was 7

> (ex-communist country), it was mandatory. However I received less

> vaccines overall than same-aged Americans (no MMR, HiB as child)

> - I

> guess there I was lucky once that East Germany didn't have the money

> to buy those vaccines!!!

> In 8th grade biology we were taught immunology: basically how great

> vaccines are, no side effects mentioned and how it works. Nobody ever

> questioned the whole thing. My parents weren't taught to question

> anything anyways, it was hard for them to be allowed to question

> things and then go ahead with it (they were 40 years old when the

> system collapsed, you really have to re-learn everything!); they now

> are also very cautious and do not trust big pharma. Anyways,

> when I

> was in 10th grade we had to watch a video from the health department

> about Hepatites B. I had never heard of it before and boy it scared

> the he** out of us. BAsically my entire class ran to the doctor and

> had the shots, all of us. We didn't know any better. My next

> experience was getting immunized because of immigration requirements

> to the US (for my marriage based green card). Turns out, you

> need to

> be vaccinated. I didn't mind at that point because I had no

> idea. I

> had no idea that there was a waiver, but that would have been

> expensive anyways. So, I had to get the MMR and varicella shots.

> I did

> have mumps in 4th grade and said why would I need that vaccine, but

> the doctor (in NH) claimed it won't hurt and boost my natural immunity

> to mumps (???!!!). I never had chicken pox cause they just weren't

> around when I was young. Oh well. I had a mighty reaction to

> MMR. I

> had symptoms of measles and a terrible fever. I soon recovered, but

> developed bowel inflammations. It hurt terribly and I lost quite some

> weight (from 120 to 104 pounds in 2 months!). Those inflammations

> didn't stop until well over a year; I had the last episode

> before my

> pregnancy in 2007. I am absolutely convinced that the attenuated

> measles virus is responsible for that!

> So I started to get cautious and didn't do anymore vaccines.

> When I

> was preggo they checked my titers for chicken pox, guess what, the

> vaccine didn't work, I am not immune! I also was checked for 5th

> disease which I never had, yet I am immune... I just think that there

> are many components to our immune system that are unknown and I think

> it's dangerous to toy around with it. I was disgusted to learn the

> ingredients of vaccines and nearly threw up when I heard of fetal

> cells being used for some vaccines; the genetically engineered nature

> of the HepB vaccine is terribly dangerous. It reminds me of that movie

> (I know it's based up on a book, but I didn't read it, so I have to

> quote the movie) I am Legend - they invent a cancer vaccine and thus

> create a virus to eradicate humankind. I think that really is a valid

> concern; nature backlashes when you try to interfere like that!

> Anyways, I know I don't want to vaccinate, but sometimes I get scared.

> What if he contracts pneumonia etc... But then I know that

> nobody in

> my generation had that vaccine yet we are here. The fear

> mongering is

> really everywhere and it's hard to escape. I'd love to hear from you

> how you deal with it, I know it's purely emotional so there must

> be a

> way to " therapy myself of that fear " .

> Sadly I want to add: my sister, a research PhD MD, had her son 3 weeks

> ahead of me. She firmly believes in vaccination. I know that she never

> researched the topic though; it's just engraved by med school in her

> brain that vaccines = great. Her son did get his first round of shots

> at 3 months (the full armory - Germany has the same schedule as the

> US, just omits the hepB shot at birth). She even has him being

> part in

> a trial for the new Prevnar 13. It worries me sick, I hope my nephew

> has a strong immune system to fight those toxic things injected into

> him. He didn't show any reaction to the vaccines, but that doesn't

> mean that there is no long term damage. I can't discuss it with my

> sister since she is a very stubborn person who I also don't tell that

> we don't vaccinate; she'd go nuts over it... So I let it be for now.

> My parents know though and agree; my dad was shocked to learn

> how many

> vaccines are given at once and immediately though it's just too much.

> I think most critical parents have that gut reaction!

> Alrighty, this was a lot for an introduction...

>

> My last question is: I do want to get some vitamin A,C and D for my

> son for when he gets a cold, I read a lot about it that it helps...

> Which supplements do you buy? I read people buy vitamin C as sodium

> ascorbate or something similar - could you guys help me with that?

> that would be awesome

>

> Thanks so much,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have a similar history: I grew up in Poland in the 70s and 80s and

was fully vaxed. I don't remember having to get any vaxes before

getting a green card, but I know DH had to have some (before I knew any

better).

Our son was born at home, so he didn't get any " stuff " or vaxes at all.

He's now 4 and has never been vaxed. He gets cod liver oil daily (for

vitamins A and D) plus some gummy bear vitamins (natural, with fruit

and veggie extracts - just for my peace of mind really).

I think sodium ascorbate is a good form of vitamin C, but you probably

don't need to start this young. If you're breastfeeding, then just take

care of your diet. I BF exclusively for 5 months, and continued to BF

until was 3 years old. Besides a few colds, he's never been sick.

Check out the Weston A. Price website - they do a lot of research into

supplements and vitamins, as well as a healthy diet.

Welcome,

Magda

[Guest guest]

Thank you guys for your answers.

We breastfeed and plan on delaying solids as late as possible (waiting

for the signs of readiness plus that he will grab for things - and

definitely not with baby cereal). I'm planning on breastfeeding beyond

infancy - even though my hubbie thinks it's weird, he'll grow to

understand it (he did too with natural birth and questioning vaccines).

I eat as healthy as our current income permits (it's less since I

decided to become a SAHM - so just one income). I never allow

hydrogenated oils or stuff like that - unfortunately hubbie eats lots

of gross stuff and I can't stop him

Regarding the oral polio which we all got: were they all tainted with

SV40 in the 1980ies or were we lucky that maybe the Soviet version of

it wasn't? I'd like to evaluate my risks here...

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I believe the polio vaccines were all tainted with SV40 in the 1980's, and may

still be. Don't know anything about the Soviet vaccines. SV40 is not the only

pollutant to worry about.

It sounds as if you're on the right track with breastfeeding, diet, etc. Good

for you!!

Winnie

Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

> Thank you guys for your answers.

> We breastfeed and plan on delaying solids as late as possible (waiting

> for the signs of readiness plus that he will grab for things - and

> definitely not with baby cereal). I'm planning on breastfeeding beyond

> infancy - even though my hubbie thinks it's weird, he'll grow to

> understand it (he did too with natural birth and questioning

> vaccines).

> I eat as healthy as our current income permits (it's less since I

> decided to become a SAHM - so just one income). I never allow

> hydrogenated oils or stuff like that - unfortunately hubbie eats lots

> of gross stuff and I can't stop him

>

> Regarding the oral polio which we all got: were they all tainted with

> SV40 in the 1980ies or were we lucky that maybe the Soviet

> version of

> it wasn't? I'd like to evaluate my risks here...

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

speaking about the Polio vaccine.... so many times people use hte polio as a

benchmark for the " success " of vaccines... the fact that it erradicated polio.

heres my question / statement.

The guy in my health food store told me (and i have ZERO facts but im wondering

if anyone has heard the same) -- he told me that the reason the Polio vaccine

worked as well as it did, is becasue every disease has a wave pattern, where its

very rampant and then kind of disappears for a while....

i didnt completely understand him - but he sort of made it sound that the

vaccine for polio happened to come out at the tim when the disease wasnt so

common anymore ?

has anyone heard something like this ? im curious ---

Have a great day,

Deb

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Vaccinations

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:10:46 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

I believe the polio vaccines were all tainted with SV40 in the 1980's, and may

still be. Don't know anything about the Soviet vaccines. SV40 is not the only

pollutant to worry about.

It sounds as if you're on the right track with breastfeeding, diet, etc. Good

for you!!

Winnie

Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

> Thank you guys for your answers.

> We breastfeed and plan on delaying solids as late as possible (waiting

> for the signs of readiness plus that he will grab for things - and

> definitely not with baby cereal). I'm planning on breastfeeding beyond

> infancy - even though my hubbie thinks it's weird, he'll grow to

> understand it (he did too with natural birth and questioning

> vaccines).

> I eat as healthy as our current income permits (it's less since I

> decided to become a SAHM - so just one income). I never allow

> hydrogenated oils or stuff like that - unfortunately hubbie eats lots

> of gross stuff and I can't stop him

>

> Regarding the oral polio which we all got: were they all tainted with

> SV40 in the 1980ies or were we lucky that maybe the Soviet

> version of

> it wasn't? I'd like to evaluate my risks here...

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

SV 40 is still in the vaccines http://whale.to/v/sv.html and they use the OPV

to kill off Africans http://whale.to/a/genocide_opv.html

they may have scaled down DDT spraying to coincide with the intro of the vaccine

http://whale.to/vaccines/polio4.html but that health food guy doesn't seem to

have any idea about its real cause

Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

> Thank you guys for your answers.

> We breastfeed and plan on delaying solids as late as possible (waiting

> for the signs of readiness plus that he will grab for things - and

> definitely not with baby cereal). I'm planning on breastfeeding beyond

> infancy - even though my hubbie thinks it's weird, he'll grow to

> understand it (he did too with natural birth and questioning

> vaccines).

> I eat as healthy as our current income permits (it's less since I

> decided to become a SAHM - so just one income). I never allow

> hydrogenated oils or stuff like that - unfortunately hubbie eats lots

> of gross stuff and I can't stop him

>

> Regarding the oral polio which we all got: were they all tainted with

> SV40 in the 1980ies or were we lucky that maybe the Soviet

> version of

> it wasn't? I'd like to evaluate my risks here...

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

The Soviet Union had the Sabin Polio Vaccine, which was the oral

version. It too, was contaminated with SV40. Tens of millions of

Americans were given the SV40 Salk vaccine at about the same time

tens of millions of Russians were given the SV40 Sabin vaccine.

Hundreds of millions of people were exposed.

A great book on the subject is:

http://tinyurl.com/5qvghw

Sylvia

>

> I believe the polio vaccines were all tainted with SV40 in the

1980's, and may still be. Don't know anything about the Soviet

vaccines. SV40 is not the only pollutant to worry about.

>

> It sounds as if you're on the right track with breastfeeding, diet,

etc. Good for you!!

>

> Winnie

>

> Re: Introduction, questions regarding

vitamins

> Vaccinations

>

> > Thank you guys for your answers.

> > We breastfeed and plan on delaying solids as late as possible

(waiting

> > for the signs of readiness plus that he will grab for things - and

> > definitely not with baby cereal). I'm planning on breastfeeding

beyond

> > infancy - even though my hubbie thinks it's weird, he'll grow to

> > understand it (he did too with natural birth and questioning

> > vaccines).

> > I eat as healthy as our current income permits (it's less since I

> > decided to become a SAHM - so just one income). I never allow

> > hydrogenated oils or stuff like that - unfortunately hubbie eats

lots

> > of gross stuff and I can't stop him

> >

> > Regarding the oral polio which we all got: were they all tainted

with

> > SV40 in the 1980ies or were we lucky that maybe the Soviet

> > version of

> > it wasn't? I'd like to evaluate my risks here...

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gosh all that stuff is just gross. I mean what makes them think that

growing cultures in animal cells is without consequence? What I always

wonder is what they don't know: prions, those proteins that cause BSE

(mad cow disease) are extremely hard to detect. They can detect the

BSE one for now, but how many are out there that they don't? And I bet

there are plenty of them in vaccines.

I haven't read anything about it anywhere, but I remember my sister's

PhD thesis about BSE and Creutzfeldt, and from the stuff that I

understood (I'm just a social science gal ) it really is hard to

detect and we don't know what's out there basically.

Oh well... I have the 4 months WBV on January 6th, I'm not one to

cave, wish me luck though. I'm not fond of the pro vaccine speech.

[Guest guest]

>

> > I was vaccinated because there was no choice anyways until I was 7

> (ex-communist country), it was mandatory. However I received less

> vaccines overall than same-aged Americans (no MMR, HiB as child)

Hi & welcome!

I am from Ukraine. Immigrated here in 1992 just when the Soviet Union

fell apart. I think that we actually got more vaccines in our childhood

than Americans did here at that time. I was born in 1977 and we were

given BCG at birth and almost yearly afterwards. I remember our class

being lines up at a nurses office and being vaccinated(not sure which

vaccines were given, i guess DTP, BCG, etc.)BTW, all done without

disposible needle! Needles would be boiled and rinsed in alcohol

solution, that's all. That's true that we did not have Hep.B vaccines

but here it was only introduced around 1992(if i am not wrong). So

because of BCG vaccine(tuberculosis) and mandatory smallpox vaccines i

think that we had more vaccines than here in America at least in the

70's & 80 " . Smallpox vaccines was adolished here like a decade earlier

than in Eastern Europe and TB vaccines never used on mass scale like in

the Soviet Union. Now, it's a different story. Now US has so many new

vaccines that's been added over the years like HIB, Hep.B, pnemoccocal,

prevnar, etc. that now we probably give more vaccines than any other

country in the world!

I supposedly had pneomonia when i was 3 years old but i am questioning

if diagnosis was correct. My mom says that i was coughing a little all

summer and she finally took me to the hospital just to check me out and

they x-rayed my lungs and one side was completely black(infected with

bacteria?) I was given penicillin shot right there on the spot and then

the doctor would come daily to my house to give me a shot of atibiotics

everydy for like a week or so.

Katarina

[Guest guest]

>

> I believe the polio vaccines were all tainted with SV40 in the

1980's, and may still be. Don't know anything about the Soviet

vaccines. SV40 is not the only pollutant to worry about.

>

>Does anybody know if there is a way to check for SV40 in the blood?

[Guest guest]

>

> The guy in my health food store told me (and i have ZERO facts but im

wondering if anyone has heard the same) -- he told me that the reason

the Polio vaccine worked as well as it did, is becasue every disease

has a wave pattern, where its very rampant and then kind of disappears

for a while....

Yes that is supposedly the case with most diseases, they occur in up &

down cycles. Look at many graphs provided on different websites. That's

what many claim is an illusionary " success " of vaccines; introduction

of them at a specific time, just when the natural cycle of diseases

fall down or when diseases disappear because of better/cleaner living

conditions or other reasons.

Katarina

[Guest guest]

You don't have to go, you know.

Winnie

Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

> Gosh all that stuff is just gross. I mean what makes them think that

> growing cultures in animal cells is without consequence? What I always

> wonder is what they don't know: prions, those proteins that

> cause BSE

> (mad cow disease) are extremely hard to detect. They can detect the

> BSE one for now, but how many are out there that they don't? And

> I bet

> there are plenty of them in vaccines.

> I haven't read anything about it anywhere, but I remember my sister's

> PhD thesis about BSE and Creutzfeldt, and from the stuff that I

> understood (I'm just a social science gal ) it really is hard to

> detect and we don't know what's out there basically.

>

> Oh well... I have the 4 months WBV on January 6th, I'm not one to

> cave, wish me luck though. I'm not fond of the pro vaccine

> speech.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know... But I want them to check for things that I might miss (like

hip dysplasia)... We are in the military and when using their HMO, we

have to go to the on base ped. There isn't much he can do - he can't

fire nor force us to vaccinate. I know from how he talked when I

initially waived vaccines that there are other non-vaxers and

selective vaxers on base. He can't pick his clientele...

He was surprised though when I told him that the Pediarix they use

contains mercury. He was like NO. I was like YES, it's in the package

insert. He was like, oh, hm I should read it then. At least he

admitted he has some homework to do.

For convenience though I will use a white lie and claim we will vax

when he's 2. We'll PCS (move) anyways in June...

>

> You don't have to go, you know.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, that doesn't sound as if he's the pressuring type then.

Winnie

Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

> I know... But I want them to check for things that I might miss (like

> hip dysplasia)... We are in the military and when using their

> HMO, we

> have to go to the on base ped. There isn't much he can do - he can't

> fire nor force us to vaccinate. I know from how he talked when I

> initially waived vaccines that there are other non-vaxers and

> selective vaxers on base. He can't pick his clientele...

> He was surprised though when I told him that the Pediarix they use

> contains mercury. He was like NO. I was like YES, it's in the package

> insert. He was like, oh, hm I should read it then. At least he

> admitted he has some homework to do.

> For convenience though I will use a white lie and claim we will vax

> when he's 2. We'll PCS (move) anyways in June...

>

>

> >

> > You don't have to go, you know.

> >

>

>

>