Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Well you surely make me think... My daughter used to shiver/shudder when she went peed in her diaper. I thought it was normal, maybe not? I don't know if it is vaccine related. She was vaccinated, memory doesn't serve me I'm not sure if all my girls did it or not. Sorry, I'm not much help. I'd be interested in seeing what others say. ccomunal@... wrote: > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is it is > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or not. She > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she > pees but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up > and does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm > could hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you > would see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does > any of this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said > maybe she's excited - she's not. ..?? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 My girl is unvaxed and she has a bit of a shiver sometimes when she pees. Describes it as a *wee bubble*. I'm not at all concerned about it and it has got less frequent as she's got older. She's now 11 and it rarely happens. Sue x -- Re: shivers/shudders Well you surely make me think... My daughter used to shiver/shudder when she went peed in her diaper. I thought it was normal, maybe not? I don't know if it is vaccine related. She was vaccinated, memory doesn't serve me I'm not sure if all my girls did it or not. Sorry, I'm not much help. I'd be interested in seeing what others say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Sometimes Isaac does that when he's really tired and is going off to sleep. I dn't know if it's pee related. I've been told it's an immature nervous system. Someone else's baby did that, they did all kinds of tests, everything normal. No damage seen so ok Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ase Date: 11/12/2008 7:01 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Just be sure to keep an eye on her for any sensory issues (abnormal reactions to outside stimuli - foods, textures, scents, etc). It is still too soon to tell, but just keep your guard up over the days, weeks, months, years for anything abnormal. > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is it is related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or not. She shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she pees but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up and does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm could hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you would see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said maybe she's excited - she's not. ..?? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 The trouble is that sometimes you can get so obsessed with looking for signs of *damage*, you lose perspective on what is normal and what's abnormal, don t you think? Everyone is so keen to stick labels on our kids, to make them fit into some neat pigeonhole so that they may have the appropriate diagnosis, and get the appropriate drugs. Some behaviours - such as high levels of sensitivity to different things - are not abnormal unless extreme but nowadays are interpreted as being somewhere on the spectrum. Kids can t be kids any more... Sue x -- Re: shivers/shudders Just be sure to keep an eye on her for any sensory issues (abnormal reactions to outside stimuli - foods, textures, scents, etc). It is still too soon to tell, but just keep your guard up over the days, weeks, months, years for anything abnormal. > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is it is related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or not. She shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she pees but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up and does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm could hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you would see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said maybe she's excited - she's not. ..?? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 i agree w/ all the replies so far. my son used to do this (in all the situations you discribe) also when he *was* excited. we used to call it his 'happy shiver', b/c if he understood you were getting food or drink, he would stand behind the gate & clasp his hands & stand on his tip toes & shiver from head to toe lol. me & dh on the other hand, do it also, in the situations you describe. personally, after/while dealing w/ my son's regressions... if this is all she's showing, i wouldn't be too concerned unless more things popped up. my son regressed drastically at 14mo & the toe walking (excessive), sensory issues (was over & under reactive to lots of things), etc were all part of his big picture. if it weren't for EVERYTHING in one pile, i wouldn't worry about the one 'quirk', if that makes sense. ~marcia~ > > > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is it is > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or not. She > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she pees > but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up and > does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm could > hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you would > see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does any of > this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said maybe she's > excited - she's not. ..?? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I agree. So many of us are learning about child-rearing from scratch because we don't have extended families living near or with us. We don't realize the different degrees of " normal " there are. I think the key is whether these behaviors interfere with daily living. It's a tough call, though. Winnie Re: shivers/shudders > > Just be sure to keep an eye on her for any sensory issues (abnormal > reactions to outside stimuli - foods, textures, scents, etc). > It is > still too soon to tell, but just keep your guard up over the days, > weeks, months, years for anything abnormal. > > > > > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is > it is > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or > not. She > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when > she pees > but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up and > does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm could > hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you would > see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does > any of > this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said > maybe she's > excited - she's not. ..?? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Yes, this is so true, Winnie... and actually I feel fortunate to be in this boat. If we lived closer to family, I might actually buy in to their belief that chronic diseases are the norm and you are just " lucky " if you or one of your children do not have a chronic condition. When we get together with my DH's family I can't help but be appalled by the amount of sickness that is in the family - particularly in the little kids (asthma, SEVERE, SEVERE allergies, eczema, etc.). They all shrug it off as normal and it is MADDENING! I remember a conversation I had with my mother-in-law about sixteen years ago where she stated that our future kids were " doomed " because DH and I both had so many allergies. DH has far more than me, it's easier to tell you what he's not allergic to than what he IS allergic to. However, in the sixteen years since that conversation, luckily I wasn't near her influence and decided to investigate on my own. I have reversed most of my own allergies and so far seem to have avoided allergies in my three-year-old. Not only do we not vax, but we have very healthy diets. (My three-year-old son even chose to eat another helping of steamed broccoli over cake for dessert two days ago at a family get-together! Yes! I kept watching him " sneak " carrots and celery sticks off the table while our meal was cooking, too. He thought he was getting away with something.... LOL) My mother-in-law commented once that she was so surprised at how healthy my son is in spite of his " bad genes " . I told her it was because we chose not to help those " bad genes " along by adding vaccinations to the mix... she didn't like that answer but didn't have a quick response, so she's just never brought it up again. In that family, I'm the weirdo for not vaccinating and choosing to keep my children healthy. I love them, but thank God everyday that I live far away from their influence, for my children's sake. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:08 AM, <wharrison@...> wrote: > I agree. So many of us are learning about child-rearing from scratch because > we don't have extended families living near or with us. We don't realize the > different degrees of " normal " there are. I think the key is whether these > behaviors interfere with daily living. It's a tough call, though. > > Winnie > > Re: shivers/shudders >> >> Just be sure to keep an eye on her for any sensory issues (abnormal >> reactions to outside stimuli - foods, textures, scents, etc). >> It is >> still too soon to tell, but just keep your guard up over the days, >> weeks, months, years for anything abnormal. >> >> >> > >> > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird >> thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is >> it is >> related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or >> not. She >> shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when >> she pees >> but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up and >> does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm could >> hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you would >> see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does >> any of >> this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said >> maybe she's >> excited - she's not. ..?? >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I think that after spending a month in the hospital with my daughter after her dtap shot puts me on high alert for anything. Her jerking was so bad that they thought she had infantile spasms, it took them 4 days of video eeg and 5 doctors (from across the country) to decide that it was not spasms (thank goodness). I just want to be proactive. Right now I consult with 4 different doctors, 3 of whom are previous mainstream pediatricians and I get 3 different answers about the shivers/shudders. The DAN doctor says it's normal and that he is glad it is happening (means her transmitters are working well), Palevsky (a well-know non-vax ped) says it's something to watch out for, and the 3rd, well I am waiting to hear back. She is meeting all of her milestones (thanks to prayer, breastmilk, supplements etc) and besides the shudders, she seems great. she's come a long way but then again she is only 9 months old...that is what scares me. Re: shivers/shudders > > > > Just be sure to keep an eye on her for any sensory issues (abnormal > > reactions to outside stimuli - foods, textures, scents, etc). > > It is > > still too soon to tell, but just keep your guard up over the days, > > weeks, months, years for anything abnormal. > > > > > > > > > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing > this weird > > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is > > it is > > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or > > not. She > > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when > > she pees > > but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits > up and > > does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm could > > hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something > you would > > see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does > > any of > > this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said > > maybe she's > > excited - she's not. ..?? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 And because everyone does vax, there IS a guarantee that there will be damage.. it's like w/ autism.. what is autism and what is the kid just being a kid, kwim?! We're getting so used to kids being so sick w/ chronic illness.. we forget that really, kids don't need to have that. good food and no poison.. it's really very simple. Probably too simple and doesn't sell enough. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I don't blame you for being on high-alert. I think you should keep an eye on the shivering but also be encouraged by everything else being right. Winnie Re: shivers/shudders > > > > > > Just be sure to keep an eye on her for any sensory issues > (abnormal> > reactions to outside stimuli - foods, textures, > scents, etc). > > > It is > > > still too soon to tell, but just keep your guard up over the days, > > > weeks, months, years for anything abnormal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing > > this weird > > > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know > is > > > it is > > > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or > > > not. She > > > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is > when > > > she pees > > > but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then > sits > > up and > > > does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too > warm could > > > hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something > > you would > > > see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. > Does > > > any of > > > this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said > > > maybe she's > > > excited - she's not. ..?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 My 11 month old son has had NO vaccinations, and he does that shudder thing almost EVERY time he pees. *shrug* One night it was freezing and I waited a long time before giving in to my bladder and running to the bathroom... when I finally " let it go " I noticed that I did the same shudder/shiver. I don't know if it was because I held it in for so long, or if it was the vast temperature change - the " warmth " against the freezing cold in the house (and the dang toilet seat!) but I'm certainly not concerned about it. Surely you should keep an eye out and record everything, especially if your little one is vaccine-injured. I just wanted to let you know that my son does the same thing all the time, and so do I on occasion. Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 > > My 11 month old son has had NO vaccinations, and he does that shudder > thing almost EVERY time he pees. *shrug* One night it was freezing > and I waited a long time before giving in to my bladder and running > to the bathroom... when I finally " let it go " I noticed that I did > the same shudder/shiver. I don't know if it was because I held it in > for so long, or if it was the vast temperature change - the " warmth " > against the freezing cold in the house (and the dang toilet seat!) > but I'm certainly not concerned about it. > > Surely you should keep an eye out and record everything, especially > if your little one is vaccine-injured. I just wanted to let you know > that my son does the same thing all the time, and so do I on occasion. > > Cheers, > > > It is possible that your son the eleven month old has a small meatus (opening at the tip of his penis) which sometimes causes urinary retention. My son has meatal stenosis (which is a narrow opening) and he shudders like that because he trying to push the pee out through a narrow opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 My daughter did this too. Quite a bit. I had a pretty stressful pregnancy so I'm sure she had too many stress hormones in addition to the assault of the vaccines that I unwittingly made her have. My excessive amounts of amalgams and Rhogam shot likely didn't help either. Poor babies! She did it for quite a long time. I'm not even sure when it stopped. Maybe when she noticed no one else around her did it! She'd clench her fists, startle and shiver. Sometimes it was from loud noises, sometimes from utter excitement. Some kids are just super sensitive too. I had to cut tags out of clothes, clothes had to be a certain material, food a certain texture, etc. Maybe it was from homeopathy that she stopped it. I really don't know. I was very fatigued and brain fogged and I forgot a lot of details. Sharon Hoehner www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen www.zeolitepro.com > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is it is related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or not. She shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she pees but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up and does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm could hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you would see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said maybe she's excited - she's not. ..?? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Thanks, Sharon. Very interesting. I, too, had a stressful pregnancy, roh-gam shot, and a mouth full of amalgams. I stopped vaccinating at 5 months. How old is your daughter now and how is she? Re: shivers/shudders Vaccinations > My daughter did this too. Quite a bit. I had a pretty stressful > pregnancy so I'm sure she had too many stress hormones in > addition to > the assault of the vaccines that I unwittingly made her have. My > excessive amounts of amalgams and Rhogam shot likely didn't help > either. Poor babies! She did it for quite a long time. I'm > not even > sure when it stopped. Maybe when she noticed no one else around her > did it! She'd clench her fists, startle and shiver. Sometimes > it was > from loud noises, sometimes from utter excitement. Some kids > are just > super sensitive too. I had to cut tags out of clothes, clothes > had to > be a certain material, food a certain texture, etc. Maybe it > was from > homeopathy that she stopped it. I really don't know. I was very > fatigued and brain fogged and I forgot a lot of details. > > Sharon Hoehner > www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen > www.zeolitepro.com > > > > > > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is > it is > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or > not. She > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she > pees but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then > sits up > and does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm > could hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like > something you > would see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does > any of this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said > maybe she's excited - she's not. ..?? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 I wanted to thank OP for posting this. DS is now 25 months, and very rarely does this, but he used to and it really freaked me out. He was vaxed up to 9 months...before I knew better. No vaxes since then. At 7 months, I recall the first time he did this, and BOY did it scare me!! He clinched his fists up close to his shoulders, turned his head slightly to the side, his eyes got really wide and he shook his fists and face/head for a couple of seconds. That first time, he did it maybe 3-4 times in a span of 5 minutes. He did it very often for several months, but it has become much more infrequent with time. I don't think I saw him do it for a month or two until last week, and it was much more subtle than the original times. It seems when it's happened more recently, it's when he's tired or hungry. The ped we were seeing at the time (up to his 9 month visit) told us that he was probably just looking at things differently when he did the shiver thing. She never really listened to me, I don't think. Glad I switched! Thank you to all of you for your input and responses to the OP! It has helped me sort through my thoughts on his 'shivers.' As he is developing very well (reaching and surpassing milestones, etc), I'm wondering now if it has/had more to do with neurological development...though I'm not totally ruling out vaxes as a cause, either. Oh, and interesting that a pp noted the amalgams she had may have had an effect. Unfortunately, I've got them too If only it wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to have them replaced!! Marilyn > > > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing this weird > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is it is > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or not. She > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she > pees but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then sits up > and does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm > could hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like something you > would see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does > any of this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said > maybe she's excited - she's not. ..?? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 I never noticed this is any of my four boys but out of curiosity, googled it. It seems it's not uncommon. I can't see that it's neurological if so many people observe it happening around peeing. Here's one discussion on it: http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/babies/tremors.html I also just asked my 9-yr-old if he remembered ever doing this, not expecting him to. He said, yes, and he still does sometimes because it helps keep away the feeling so he doesn't have to stop what he's doing. Not sure if that's helpful but it doesn't sound like a huge problem. Winnie Re: shivers/shudders Vaccinations > I wanted to thank OP for posting this. DS is now 25 months, and > very > rarely does this, but he used to and it really freaked me out. > He > was vaxed up to 9 months...before I knew better. No vaxes since > then. At 7 months, I recall the first time he did this, and BOY > did > it scare me!! He clinched his fists up close to his shoulders, > turned his head slightly to the side, his eyes got really wide > and he > shook his fists and face/head for a couple of seconds. That > first > time, he did it maybe 3-4 times in a span of 5 minutes. He did > it > very often for several months, but it has become much more > infrequent > with time. I don't think I saw him do it for a month or two > until > last week, and it was much more subtle than the original times. > It > seems when it's happened more recently, it's when he's tired or > hungry. The ped we were seeing at the time (up to his 9 month > visit) > told us that he was probably just looking at things differently > when > he did the shiver thing. She never really listened to me, I > don't > think. Glad I switched! > > Thank you to all of you for your input and responses to the OP! > It > has helped me sort through my thoughts on his 'shivers.' As he > is > developing very well (reaching and surpassing milestones, etc), > I'm > wondering now if it has/had more to do with neurological > development...though I'm not totally ruling out vaxes as a > cause, > either. > > Oh, and interesting that a pp noted the amalgams she had may > have had > an effect. Unfortunately, I've got them too If only it > wouldn't > cost an arm and a leg to have them replaced!! > > Marilyn > > > > > > > > > My vaccination injured daughter (9 months) has been doing > this > weird > > thing for about two months or so (on and off). I don't know is > it is > > related to the injuries she suffered from her vaccination or > not. > She > > shivers/shudders every so often. I sometimes notice it is when she > > pees but other times it's not. She could be crawling and then > sits > up > > and does this little shiver/shudder or water that's a bit too warm > > could hit her leg in the bath and she does it. It's like > something > you > > would see if someone got a little chill or ate something sour. Does > > any of this sound familiar to anyone? I asked my ped, and she said > > maybe she's excited - she's not. ..?? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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