Question for moms

[Guest guest]

For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know the truth

about vaccines.

I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all her

vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of those people

who

never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is normal and a good

thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it right.

Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right before

turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and disgusted! I

was

also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to research just

about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its better late then

never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter in any way

and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many moms about it,

but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most people I met

didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here that do

know.

I would just like to know how you all found out.

Sabina

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After my 7 yo got her 2 mos shots and then developed a UTI and nearly ended

up in the hospital. She got mega doses of antibiotics and just stopped

developing. Her whole personality changed-our happy-go-lucky child became

cranky

and miserable and she developed MAJOR sensory issues and had SEVERE speech

and language delays. We JUST got our PDD-NOS (autism spectrum) diagnosis a

year ago and I fully attribute it to her vaccines. It was a long journey, but

thanks go out to our DAN! for pointing out the connection w/the vax...we now

do NO vax at all and I have had 2 other children since then...neither has been

stuck ever and never will be unless THEY choose to.

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trinnea... my heart goes out to all your friends, especially the one who's

baby died. It just makes me so sad and angry to hear this. Do you all know who

is really behind this evil? Thanks to all who have shared their stories so far.

Sabina

[Guest guest]

My daughter had reactions after her smallpox shot.

Jim

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From: " SabinaXXXI@... " <SabinaXXXI@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:19:16 PM

Subject: Question for moms

For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know the truth

about vaccines.

I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all her

vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of those people

who

never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is normal and a good

thing for chilldren/adults. And thought whatever doctors do it right.

Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right before

turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and disgusted! I was

also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to research just

about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its better late then

never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter in any way

and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many moms about it,

but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most people I met

didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here that do

know.

I would just like to know how you all found out.

Sabina

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From other people giving me half truths.

I remember seeing things in the news about the hep b vaccines and

reactions.

When I started vaxing my son he was premature and he was always

behind in all his milestones.

When I stopped vaccinating him at his 1 year visit, he quickly began

to get better and stopped getting asthma. I attributed that also to

my diet change, not giving him baby food from the store, etc.

Than I stopped and I vaxed him again, and that year he got sick

again. He didn't do any better.

When I got pregnant, I look into the issue more deeper and I didn't

vax my son with boosters, the varicella, or the new mandates they

have here in Jersey. I learned by watching my first born grow and

become ill as a result of the vacciness.

I learned now the difference between my 6 month old, and my 4 year

old.

Take care,

Marieliz

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to

know the truth

> about vaccines.

>

> I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all

her

> vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of

those people who

> never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is

normal and a good

> thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it

right.

>

> Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right

before

> turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

disgusted! I was

> also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to

research just

> about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its

better late then

> never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter

in any way

> and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many

moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms

here that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I kept getting those magazines for new mothers, some from the hospital. Every

one had articles about autism and the signs to watch for. I remember wondering

what was going on with autism. I had been a nanny and preschool teacher in the

late eighties and early nineties and never heard of a single case. That got me

wondering. Then I saw two episodes of Oprah that were about vaccines. I joined

this group after the first one and started reading, reading and more reading.

Also crying, I too put my son through three rounds of vaccines, including a hep

b when he was just 3 days old.

 

Marie

www.slothbob.com 

Vaccination Clothing

http://www.cafepress.com/slothbob/6237169

 

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[Guest guest]

 i don't put my trust in the " establishment " so researching vaccines before

deciding to start our family was natural - i just didn't know how deep the

rabbit hole went.... now i do!.

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

________________________________

From: Boriquita! <womanlinice@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:52:26 PM

Subject: Re: Question for moms

From other people giving me half truths.

I remember seeing things in the news about the hep b vaccines and

reactions.

When I started vaxing my son he was premature and he was always

behind in all his milestones.

When I stopped vaccinating him at his 1 year visit, he quickly began

to get better and stopped getting asthma. I attributed that also to

my diet change, not giving him baby food from the store, etc.

Than I stopped and I vaxed him again, and that year he got sick

again. He didn't do any better.

When I got pregnant, I look into the issue more deeper and I didn't

vax my son with boosters, the varicella, or the new mandates they

have here in Jersey. I learned by watching my first born grow and

become ill as a result of the vacciness.

I learned now the difference between my 6 month old, and my 4 year

old.

Take care,

Marieliz

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to

know the truth

> about vaccines.

>

> I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all

her

> vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of

those people who

> never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is

normal and a good

> thing for chilldren/adults. And thought whatever doctors do it

right.

>

> Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right

before

> turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

disgusted! I was

> also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to

research just

> about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its

better late then

> never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter

in any way

> and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many

moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms

here that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

When you know better, you do better. I remember being a new mom again w/ #2

and the nurse saying, 'oh you need to be sure to protect against hep b' and

what is that " oh it damages the liver " ..and I remember swaying and saying

" oh well. we definitely want that then " .. ohhh dumbdumbdumb.

By jessica I had learned more and I refused it and dh looks at me and I

waited til the nurse was out of the room and explained to him why and what

it was.. and what the risks of it were (and what the disease mainly hits)

and he's like 'oh no. we're not doing that one " .. but I still had a bit of a

battle to go b/c he was in the " if you won't vax the kids, I will. You will

not endanger my children like that " . yeah. I remember that argument too.

that was the lie. Back off and buy time. 'I'm not saying NO ever.. I'm

saying no right now .. I need to learn more and research more " but inside I

was like 'no way in hell is a needle coming at my kids again! "

We're bad if we don't. that is the lie that is pushed. How can a responsible

parent not vax? And nobody gets suspicious that we all think the same thing

on the same subject? Makes me roll my eyes. You can't find anybody anywhere

with the very same opinion on the very same subject about anything else but

vaccines?? This is what it seems like anyway. The product has been very

well marketed.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

Someone asked me if my son's health problems happened after vaccines. I never

suspected anything until then and verified through his health records that was

indeed when it started. Then I started to read everything I could get my hands

on.

Winnie

Question for moms

Vaccinations

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to

> know the truth

> about vaccines.

>

> I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had

> all her

> vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one

> of those people who

> never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is

> normal and a good

> thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it right.

>

> Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right

> before

> turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

> disgusted! I was

> also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to

> research just

> about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its

> better late then

> never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my

> daughter in any way

> and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many

> moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

> people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms

> here that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

> **************

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mine came after gradually becoming disenchanted with medicine in general. That

started with the birth of my first, which was a wretched experience. My second

birth was much better, but shortly after that, I discovered people still

homebirth, and some do it unassisted. That totally clicked for me. I visited

many message boards centering around UC, and began exploring other parenting

choices that UCer's make. At first, I thought they were nuts for not vaxing. Why

wouldn't you vax? Then one day, I had the paradigm shift: why WOULD you vax?

Totally turned things around when I realized the default is to leave something

alone, and the burden of proof is on those who want to change it. Unfortunately,

my oldest is pretty much fully vaxed, and my second through six months. My third

has had none, and no one in our family has ever had a flu shot.

Before I had my big a-ha moment I just described, my daughter had her 6 month

appointment. I was still feeling ambiguous about vaxes, and it honestly didn't

occur to me to postpone or cancel that appointment. So I went ahead and let them

vax her. Immediately afterward, I picked her up to comfort her, and noticed the

band-aid had come off, and there was now a small spot of blood on my shirt. On

the way home, it hit me so hard how symbolic that was. I literally had her blood

on me for making that choice. That sealed the deal for me: no more vaxes until I

was completely comfortable with them. And then my whole outlook changed and I

haven't looked back.

Bronwyn

Wife to Kurt since 5/02

Mom to:

Dorian (7/04)

Faith (2/06)

Quinn (4/08)

and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

[Guest guest]

>

> I did talk to many moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here

that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

> Hi Sabina, i used to be more open about my opposition to vaccine

and most people(99.9%) would critisize me for talking negatively

about them. I know don't bring this subject up unless i see that the

person is somewhat open to hear the other side; most aren't. I too

find that most people don't believe that vaccines are bad and all my

close and even distant acquaintances fully vax all children without

questions. I have never came across or heard of anyone in my circle

of people to have bad reaction from any vaccines. So many ask me,

what bad reactions, what side-effects? I think people are skeptical

of anti-vax rhetoric because they see that there aren't any childhood

diseases present, plus they don't see any bad reactions from vaccines

so they go and get them done like good citizens. They have never seen

any side-effect after their children received vaccines . I am not

sure who is right and who is wrong in this huge vaccine controversy

but decided to be cautious and stay away from them for now and the

future will unveil itself...

Katarina

[Guest guest]

Wow--great aha moment. You were very smart to listen to that.

You're right, the general feeling if you have no reason to question vaccines is

why not do them? I know I wouldn't have listened if someone suggested to me not

to vax.

Winnie

Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> Mine came after gradually becoming disenchanted with medicine in

> general. That started with the birth of my first, which was a

> wretched experience. My second birth was much better, but

> shortly after that, I discovered people still homebirth, and

> some do it unassisted. That totally clicked for me. I visited

> many message boards centering around UC, and began exploring

> other parenting choices that UCer's make. At first, I thought

> they were nuts for not vaxing. Why wouldn't you vax? Then one

> day, I had the paradigm shift: why WOULD you vax? Totally turned

> things around when I realized the default is to leave something

> alone, and the burden of proof is on those who want to change

> it. Unfortunately, my oldest is pretty much fully vaxed, and my

> second through six months. My third has had none, and no one in

> our family has ever had a flu shot.

>

> Before I had my big a-ha moment I just described, my daughter

> had her 6 month appointment. I was still feeling ambiguous about

> vaxes, and it honestly didn't occur to me to postpone or cancel

> that appointment. So I went ahead and let them vax her.

> Immediately afterward, I picked her up to comfort her, and

> noticed the band-aid had come off, and there was now a small

> spot of blood on my shirt. On the way home, it hit me so hard

> how symbolic that was. I literally had her blood on me for

> making that choice. That sealed the deal for me: no more vaxes

> until I was completely comfortable with them. And then my whole

> outlook changed and I haven't looked back.

>

> Bronwyn

> Wife to Kurt since 5/02

> Mom to:

> Dorian (7/04)

> Faith (2/06)

> Quinn (4/08)

> and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

These people also drug their kids so you don't see some of the reactions. I know

so many people with kids with allergies, asthma, etc. that think it's normal

that it doesn't occur to them that, yes, they've seen reactions. They just don't

realize it.

Winnie

Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

>

> >

> > I did talk to many moms about it,

> > but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

> people I met

> > didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms

> here

> that do know.

> > I would just like to know how you all found out.

> >

> > Sabina

> >

> >

> > Hi Sabina, i used to be more open about my opposition to

> vaccine

> and most people(99.9%) would critisize me for talking negatively

> about them. I know don't bring this subject up unless i see that

> the

> person is somewhat open to hear the other side; most aren't. I

> too

> find that most people don't believe that vaccines are bad and

> all my

> close and even distant acquaintances fully vax all children

> without

> questions. I have never came across or heard of anyone in my

> circle

> of people to have bad reaction from any vaccines. So many ask

> me,

> what bad reactions, what side-effects? I think people are

> skeptical

> of anti-vax rhetoric because they see that there aren't any

> childhood

> diseases present, plus they don't see any bad reactions from

> vaccines

> so they go and get them done like good citizens. They have never

> seen

> any side-effect after their children received vaccines . I am

> not

> sure who is right and who is wrong in this huge vaccine

> controversy

> but decided to be cautious and stay away from them for now and

> the

> future will unveil itself...

>

> Katarina

>

>

[Guest guest]

My infant and I were both injured by vaccines in 2007. I then began

my research after he was 6 mo. old. Thankfully, I did refuse all of

the new vaccines that came out within the last 10 yrs (I also have a

14 yr old). If I hadn't, I shudder to think of what could have

happened. Instead, I am dealing with him on the Autism spectrum (not

surprised after his partial seizures and high-pitched screaming right

after the vaccines) and I suffered partial hearing loss from the

rubella vaccine. My hearing has been restored thanks to herbal

medicine (20 long months) and he is on his way to recovery....

I actually started my research beginning with the package inserts and

wanted to vomit when I read that they don't know if they cause

cancer, alter your DNA, or impair your fertility because studies have

not been done. Then I researched the ingredients and haven't stopped

looking for answers since! If only Moms would talk to their

daughters (compare vaccine notes). Mothers that I talk to are

shocked that the number of vaccines have tripled since the 80's.

They are also shocked to find that their newborn can receive the same

dose as a 7 yr old child or even an adult with some vaccines!! Why

don't doctors/nurses question this alone?? It is totally insane.

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

the truth

> about vaccines.

>

> I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all

her

> vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of

those people who

> never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is normal

and a good

> thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it right.

>

> Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right

before

> turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

disgusted! I was

> also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to

research just

> about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its

better late then

> never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter

in any way

> and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many

moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here

that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

> **************

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Katarina

Just to name two common problems associated with vaccines. You don't know anyone

who has or their kids have Asthma or  Allergies ?  I have teenagers that work

for me. They always have colds. Many have Asthma or Allergies.

About 12 or 13 years ago, I had four of the healthiest looking girls working for

me and all four had Asthma.

When I was a teen I didn't know one kid who had Asthma and I went to four

schools. Not to say it didn't exist, but it must have been rare. This was in the

40s and 50s. A note on bringing up vaccine danger to people who have closed

minds. I do it all the time. Not that I expect to change their mind but let them

know their is a opposite opinion of theirs. Who knows after they hear me, they

may run across someone else , than maybe hear something on TV or read something

in a paper. Soon they will wake up and join. Remember we are a growing and more

vocal voice now than ever before. Folks we are like rocks. We may wear away, but

we are not going away. Forget about what other people think, the truth must come

out.

Jim

________________________________

From: Katarina <kkatkov@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:09:43 PM

Subject: Re: Question for moms

>

> I did talk to many moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here

that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

> Hi Sabina, i used to be more open about my opposition to vaccine

and most people(99.9% ) would critisize me for talking negatively

about them. I know don't bring this subject up unless i see that the

person is somewhat open to hear the other side; most aren't. I too

find that most people don't believe that vaccines are bad and all my

close and even distant acquaintances fully vax all children without

questions.. I have never came across or heard of anyone in my circle

of people to have bad reaction from any vaccines. So many ask me,

what bad reactions, what side-effects? I think people are skeptical

of anti-vax rhetoric because they see that there aren't any childhood

diseases present, plus they don't see any bad reactions from vaccines

so they go and get them done like good citizens. They have never seen

any side-effect after their children received vaccines . I am not

sure who is right and who is wrong in this huge vaccine controversy

but decided to be cautious and stay away from them for now and the

future will unveil itself...

Katarina

[Guest guest]

This is from my introduction when I first joined this list about a

year ago. I've posted it two or three times since, as well, so those

of you who have read it, please bear with me.

Here is my story...

My decision to not vaccinate came after intense

research into the subject when I was pregnant the first time. I had decided

to research the subject so intensely because of personal experiences (please

notice the " s " on that… plural).

1. When I was a child, I went in for a round of boosters (I believe I was

eight years old). I don't know WHAT boosters I was given, but it was several

of them. Within minutes of receiving the injections, I went in to

anaphylaxis. I remember thinking, even as a child, that something was wrong

with the shots, as the reaction was almost immediate, and very violent. I

was subsequently diagnosed with chronic asthma, after not having a single

respiratory problem in my life prior to those boosters.

2. Seven year ago, a friend of mine took her two-year-old, very energetic,

loving, lively son in for his routine checkup, where they gave him his

" shots " on-schedule. MMR was one of the many shots given that day. Within 12

hours, her son was having seizures, for which she called the doctor. The

doctor said this was a " normal " reaction, and told her to give him Tylenol

to help him " sleep it off " . Her son, as we all knew him, never came back to

her after that day. He's trapped, to this day, in a body damaged by the very

vaccines that were supposed to protect him.

3. Four years ago my best friend's seven-year-old daughter went in for her

routine checkup, wherein she was given a round of vaccines. I'm not sure of

everything she was given, except I know the chicken pox vaccine was in the

mix, as her father had never had the chicken pox and was being forced to

stay away from her for 21 days so he would not contract the disease. It was

several immunizations all at once, though. That night, she developed a

severe (105+) fever. When the doctor was called (they always tell you to

call, not come in, if a reaction occurs… WHY?? I'm guessing it's because

they know a reaction is probable and don't want their practice swarmed by

parents seeking more help for the children they just poisoned, but who

really knows.), his response was, again, that this is a normal reaction, and

told Mom to give her Tylenol to bring down the fever and help her " sleep it

off " . She progressively got worse over the next 24 hours, until Mom finally

took her to Urgent Care, where she started seizing and then went into coma.

An ambulance was called, and she was transported to the ER. She was

diagnosed with Type I diabetes… in essence, the vaccines had attacked and

killed her pancreas. The doctor said this is a " rare side effect " to

vaccine, but it DOES happen. I watched alongside my best friend as that

little girl lay in a coma for four days, helpless and near death, because of

the very vaccine that was designed to protect her. Today that

eleven-year-old girl has to inject herself with insulin five times a day…

4. A couple of months before my first son was born, another friend of mine

took her healthy two-month-old in for his recommended shots, to keep him on

schedule. He was injected, sent home, and within a few hours developed a

severe fever. Again, Mom was told to give him Tylenol. Within a couple of

hours of onset of fever, he started seizing. Doc was called again, and again

told Mom this is a " normal reaction " to the shots, and to just put him to

bed and let him " sleep it off " . Within 12 hours after receiving the

vaccination, 9-1-1 was called; their son was dead when the paramedics got

there. Not just harmed… DEAD. Diagnosis? SIDS -- but only after having to

endure a lengthy investigation for child abuse (specifically " Shaken Baby

Syndrome " ). They were not even allowed to grieve for their child in

peace... Interesting medical article, " Multiple Vaccinations and The

Shaken Baby Syndrome " ,

http://www.nvic.org/doctors_corner/ed_yazbak_shaken_baby_syndrome.htm.

ALL of these incidents either happened to me personally or to someone I was

very close with personally. It happened over a wide spread number of years,

and it made me go " hmm… what's wrong with this picture? " If incidents like

these was so prevalent among the few people I actually knew on a very

personal level at the time, they just how wide spread are these types of

things? So before my son was born, I decided to investigate the rate of

vaccine reaction myself, and was astonished. I am still amazed that

BigPharma is allowed to continue to use our children as guinea pigs,

injecting them with toxin after toxin, after toxin. And not only can they

do this legally, but they are given immunity from being held accountable

when a child is injured or dies.

After being ridiculed, shunned and called everything from irresponsible to

being accused of neglect by family, friends and the medical community, I've

made vaccine awareness my personal platform, and want to do anything I can

to bring the real truth to the forefront of everyone's minds. I will not be

bullied or swayed.

Like Jim said, the truth MUST come out!

[Guest guest]

I am 30 and even when I was in school I remember one kid with asthma

and one kid who was allergic to something. Peanut allergies? No

way. Cancer or diabetes? Not a chance. In an entire school of

hundreds of children, there was only 1 whole special ed class with

like 3 or 4 kids, who mostly had down syndrome. I never even heard

the word autism until now.

Actually, before I got pregnant I had pretty much the same opinion

about vaccines that most people have now, which is actually no

opinion at all. I think I first came across a vaccine article on the

Weston A. Price website (which greatly helped me change my eating

habits for the better) and on Dr. Mercola's site. From there I

quickly joined this group which has been a tremendous help. Also,

one the biggest help for me was reading through the AAP and CDC

websites. Their information on vaccines is so short and simple and

contradicting. I would reading something on one page, and then a few

pages down I would read something that would completely contradict

it. So many lies on those web sites and so easy to see. At 2 months

I was bullied by the doctor and husband into giving my son 4

vaccines, but at his 4 month check up I stood firm and he did not

get any and never will again. In fact, his last (waste of time and

money) well check up was at 6 months, he is now 20 months.

If someone says to me that I am endangering my child and that he can

get a horrible deadly disease if I don't vaccinate, I say... " Oh yeah,

like what kind of disease? " The conversation always ends there, that

is how little they know. I feel sorry for the person who would try to

take me on in this subject.

Vida

>

> Hi Katarina

>

> Just to name two common problems associated with vaccines. You

don't know anyone who has or their kids have Asthma or  Allergies ? 

I have teenagers that work for me. They always have colds. Many have

Asthma or Allergies.

> About 12 or 13 years ago, I had four of the healthiest looking

girls working for me and all four had Asthma.

> When I was a teen I didn't know one kid who had Asthma and I went

to four schools. Not to say it didn't exist, but it must have been

rare. This was in the 40s and 50s. A note on bringing up vaccine

danger to people who have closed minds. I do it all the time. Not

that I expect to change their mind but let them know their is a

opposite opinion of theirs. Who knows after they hear me, they may

run across someone else , than maybe hear something on TV or read

something in a paper. Soon they will wake up and join. Remember we

are a growing and more vocal voice now than ever before. Folks we are

like rocks. We may wear away, but we are not going away. Forget about

what other people think, the truth must come out.

>

> Jim

[Guest guest]

-I started questioning when I was working with children with autism

and read " Evidence of Harm " . Then I discovered that a horrid chronic

skin condition that I have, lichen planus, was caused by hep. B

vaccination. It was all downhill from there. When I first started

researching, I was thinking about doing selective/delayed vaccination

- I'm so glad I learned the truth and haven't done ANY!

Melinda C.

[Guest guest]

i had a brainfart & had researched everything about pregnancy & birth,

but all my research stopped after that.

i trusted them, never thought twice except to request mercury free

vaxes (like THAT makes a difference).

my son was fully vaxed & at his 13mo shots: MMR, DTaP, IPV, he

regressed during the following month. we've spent the next 3yrs

trying to bring him 'back'. we've made leaps & bounds, certainly, but

we should have never had to have been here in the first place. & all

'reasoning/excusing' goes out the window when you watch my son freak

out over 'nothing', to watch the anger, pain, frustration in his eyes.

i still remember the day i noticed the 'lights' were turned back on!

that was when he was nearly 3yo!

anyhoo- after his regression, i spoke to his ped who insisted it was

normal development (loss of EVERYTHING is normal???) i went online to

look into if this was even truly connected to the MMR (i'd heard

mention it can cause reactions in sensitive children), that is when my

eyes opened, i went there to convince myself that cj was special, that

he was overly sensitive to it for some reason, that it was a fluke but

'here's how to fix it'. what i FOUND, was TONS & TONS of cases,

reports, etc of this happening particularly with MMR, but OTHER vaxes

as well! i was sickened. well, that's an understatement.

he's now 4.5yo, & i still kick myself every day for bringing this on

him. to look in those lost & frustrated eyes, to watch him get hurt &

not react, or to touch him for a hug & he screams in agony, i blame

myself. i take resposibility for damaging him & not questioning this

sooner as every person should do. but i blame pharma, doctors (who DO

see this shit!), nurses, etc for putting this crap out.

i have a friend that has a mangled knee due to a gunshot injury. he's

been in pain for YEARS now, constant chronic pain. one day his dr.

told him to try this new anti-inflamatory & gave him samples. for the

first time since his injury, he was pain-free & on the worst days, he

only had a smidge of pain. he was beyond happy! not long after, they

took this wonder-drug off the market... VIOXX

if they're so worried about drugs like these causing issues, & jerk

them off the market; they should automatically wonder about these

vaxes. there is absolutely no excuse for not doing further

investigation. their across-the-board denials are slowing but surely

waking people up. more & more people are asking. i, myself have

given books or book rec's to 4 parents wondering about vaxes & am

about to write up an email for another one. it's slowly coming

around. but it's terrible that it's taken this long to start

questioning & i dearly worry about the un-health of the population by

the time the truth, hopefully, fully comes out about vaxes.

~marcia~

>

> trinnea... my heart goes out to all your friends, especially the one

who's

> baby died. It just makes me so sad and angry to hear this. Do you

all know who

> is really behind this evil? Thanks to all who have shared their

stories so far.

>

> Sabina

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had a really bad feeling when the nurse came in asking to give my oldest the

Hep B at

the hospital, but she told me she *had* to have it for school anyway, so I might

as well get

it over with. I was still uncertain, but my mom and husband talked me and my

exhausted

self into it. I still didn't have a good feeling about it, so after I got

home and a few of my

senses started to come back to me, I looked into it and decided definitely not

to finish the

series. However, I wasn't sure what to do about the others. Then, when she was

about 5

weeks old, I was watching a baby story (nothing else decent on at the time), and

I watched

the parents bringing in their 8-week-old newborn for FIVE shots that included

even more

illnesses, etc. I literally almost got sick everywhere and decided there was

absolutely NO

WAY my baby would go through with that. So, I started asking around a little,

and it took

about 4 or 5 friends/family members before I found one that said there were

other

\

options, and I've gone from there. I did VERY selective and

delayed vaccines for my

daughter at first (she had 3 DTaP and 3 IPV and 1 HIB), and that's all either of

my children

have received. I finalized my disgust with allopaths after dealing with thrush

that wouldn't

go away with meds with my son. Nystatin did nothing, and I had a bad allergic

reaction to

Diflucan. When we broke out less than 2 weeks later, again, they kept going

between the

two in spite of how many times I told them Nystatin didn't work, and I was

allergic to

Diflucan! I gave up and went to see a friend/neighbor I'd recently met who had

7 kids

figuring she'd likely dealt with it and/or at least had something helpful to

advise. Turns

out she's into homeopathy and before that was herbs! So, that's all that's in

my medicine

cabinet now - except a few allopathic meds dh refuses to part with for himself.

Plus, I

figured if they couldn't even figure out something successful for yeast - you

know, like

dietary changes, etc - then why on earth would I trust their judgment about

toxins, etc

being shot directly into the blood stream of any of my children????

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know the truth

> about vaccines.

>

[Guest guest]

Intuition......

As new parents we thought we had all the information we needed in preparing for

our

daughter. Once she arrived and a few doctor visits later, I had a pit in my

stomach and

hesitation about all the scheduled vaccinations.

At Josie's six-month appointment, the doctor wanted to giver her a flu shot and

the

several shots she already received. My mind was spinning thinking this is too

many shots

for a little baby. The doctor said without these vaccinations she could get

sick and die.

We passed on the flu shot that day, and went home to think about it. Still

misinformed and

misguided, my husband and I went to a clinic they were having. We walked in and

saw all

the people herded in this office. It was overwhelming. My husband said, " Well

this is how

they make a ton of money " . Our daughter got the first shot and we never went

back for

the second. Later I discovered that the flu vaccine still contains mercury and

they are not

100% effective.

I spent the next several months reading and researching for myself. I looked at

the

ingredients of the vaccines and decided there was no way in the world I was

going to

inject my daughter with those substances. I looked further and found that the

risks of

vaccine reaction and injury outweigh any possible benefits that vaccines claim.

The more I

read and discovered the more frustrated and outraged I became.

Both parents and medical professionals want to protect the health of children.

But the

mainstream thought of the medical profession does not consider the issue of the

ingredients or over vaccinating as a problem at all. This aloofness or lack of

concern is a

grave mistake. Doctors and government institutions that should be watchdogs

seem to

be steered only by the CDC without a second thought. There are too many special

interests involved. The problem is that vaccines have become a big business and

like all

businesses they want to increase profits. How do they do that? They make more

vaccines

and create an ambush of a vaccination schedule that is highly toxic and damages

the

brain, immune system, and from birth begins antibiotic resistance.

More than twenty plus years ago 1 in 100,000 children had autism. The number

today is 1

in 150 autistic children. It is worth seriously examining the connections

between a trend

like this (and there are others) and the increase number of vaccinations. Do you

want to

trust the government and doctors to make decisions about your child's welfare

with out

you first being about to make informed judgments? A good family friend has

four

daughters. The youngest is the only one that grew up with a learning disability

and the

only one that was born after the induction of mass vaccinations. Coincidence?

Are vaccines needed? In some cases possibly, but they absolutely need to be

safe,

effective and on a limited schedule. Parents need to be the best advocates for

their

children. Should we continue to blindly trust the government and our doctors to

make

decisions in our best interest? There are many myths about vaccinations and the

diseases.

Besides certain laws that apply only to government medical specialists - there

is no law

that enforces the mandatory use of any vaccine in the United States. Enforced

medical

treatment is an assault and a violation of the 14th amendment. You do have a

right to say

no. You have a choice.

Parents need to dismantle all the information and see that there is already

enough

evidence that vaccines are harmful. The enormous number of children with vaccine

injuries

is enough evidence for me. We all have a choice. I personally will not

voluntarily put

anything that is toxic or potentially damaging into my daughter's developing

body. In our

opinion, and statistics will show, that there is more of a chance that your

child will have a

vaccine reaction then contract a disease.

You have a choice. You can take positive action for the health and well being of

your

family. After all, we want the best for our children.

Cassandra Alls

Mother & Activist

[Guest guest]

In the 50's and 60's, there were no special ed rooms. There were no special ed

kids. I knew one kids who used to have seizures, and everything would come to a

standstill until he recovered because it was so unusual. No one carried

inhalers. No one went to the nurse for their Ritalin. No one had anything more

than sneezing for allergies.

We were fed Kool-Aid, Twinkies and other lovely foods and we didn't get

asthmatic. It's the vaccines.

Winnie

Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> I am 30 and even when I was in school I remember one kid with

> asthma

> and one kid who was allergic to something. Peanut allergies?

> No

> way. Cancer or diabetes? Not a chance. In an entire school of

> hundreds of children, there was only 1 whole special ed class

> with

> like 3 or 4 kids, who mostly had down syndrome. I never even

> heard

> the word autism until now.

> Actually, before I got pregnant I had pretty much the same

> opinion

> about vaccines that most people have now, which is actually no

> opinion at all. I think I first came across a vaccine article

> on the

> Weston A. Price website (which greatly helped me change my

> eating

> habits for the better) and on Dr. Mercola's site. From there I

> quickly joined this group which has been a tremendous help.

> Also,

> one the biggest help for me was reading through the AAP and CDC

> websites. Their information on vaccines is so short and simple

> and

> contradicting. I would reading something on one page, and then

> a few

> pages down I would read something that would completely

> contradict

> it. So many lies on those web sites and so easy to see. At 2

> months

> I was bullied by the doctor and husband into giving my son 4

> vaccines, but at his 4 month check up I stood firm and he did

> not

> get any and never will again. In fact, his last (waste of time

> and

> money) well check up was at 6 months, he is now 20 months.

> If someone says to me that I am endangering my child and that he

> can

> get a horrible deadly disease if I don't vaccinate, I say... " Oh

> yeah,

> like what kind of disease? " The conversation always ends there,

> that

> is how little they know. I feel sorry for the person who would

> try to

> take me on in this subject.

> Vida

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Katarina

> >

> > Just to name two common problems associated with vaccines. You

> don't know anyone who has or their kids have Asthma or

> Allergies ?

> I have teenagers that work for me. They always have colds. Many

> have

> Asthma or Allergies.

> > About 12 or 13 years ago, I had four of the healthiest looking

> girls working for me and all four had Asthma.

> > When I was a teen I didn't know one kid who had Asthma and I

> went

> to four schools. Not to say it didn't exist, but it must have

> been

> rare. This was in the 40s and 50s. A note on bringing up vaccine

> danger to people who have closed minds. I do it all the time.

> Not

> that I expect to change their mind but let them know their is a

> opposite opinion of theirs. Who knows after they hear me, they

> may

> run across someone else , than maybe hear something on TV or

> read

> something in a paper. Soon they will wake up and join. Remember

> we

> are a growing and more vocal voice now than ever before. Folks

> we are

> like rocks. We may wear away, but we are not going away. Forget

> about

> what other people think, the truth must come out.

> >

> > Jim

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

While pregnant with our fourth child my sister-in-law bought me a

Mothering magazine for the homeschool article on the front cover. It

also had a vaccine article.... I asked around and no one seemed to want

to talk about it. Then a friend lent me a copy of Cave's

book. Baby had a few shots. Then I bought Romm's Vaccinations and

Mendelsohn's How to Raise a Healthy Child. No vaccines for any of us since.

SabinaXXXI@... wrote:

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

> the truth

> about vaccines.

>

[Guest guest]

I found out just after my youngest turned 1 that he is allergic to

soy, milk, wheat, peanuts and eggs. His egg allergy is severe (he got

ahold of his brother's sandwich which had mayo on it and he

immediately broke out in hives around his mouth and started

wheezing). The RN told me he couldn't have the flu shot, but she

wasn't sure about the others, so I started my own research. I was

appalled at what was in them. The more I thought about it, the more

sickened I became. I realized that all of his wheezing and sickness

last winter coincided with his vaccines. I've spent countless hours

researching every vaccine and the " deadly " diseases and never again

will any of my children receive a vaccine. Every so often, I will

start to doubt myself (30 years of brainwashing can sometimes be hard

to overcome!), but then I just look at how well my baby is doing now,

or I read one of the messages from this group, and it hardens my

resolve!

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

the truth

> about vaccines.

>

> I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all

her

> vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of

those people who

> never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is normal

and a good

> thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it right.

>

> Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right

before

> turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

disgusted! I was

> also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to

research just

> about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its

better late then

> never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter

in any way

> and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many

moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here

that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Something in my gut always told me there was something wrong with the

whole concept. I remember each doctor visit as a child, it took at

least 2 people to get me out of the car & then I screamed at the top of

my lungs until it was " over " . Drove my mom nuts! I was fully geared up

for those " dreaded " shots for my son when of all people, my mom sends me

a Mothering Magazine. Inside was an article about the dangers of

vaccines......That's all it took. I was 7 months pregnant at the time &

began reading everything & anything I could get my hands on regarding

the " other side " of the subject. The rest is history.....THANKS

MOM!!!!!!

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

the truth

> about vaccines.

>

> I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all her

> vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of

those people who

> never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is normal

and a good

> thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it right.

>

> Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right before

> turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

disgusted! I was

> also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to research

just

> about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its better

late then

> never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter in

any way

> and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many moms

about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most people I

met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here

that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

>

> **************

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