Question for moms

[Guest guest]

can't recall anyone in my childhood, bn 1953, who had asthma or anything really,

gave measles to my school of 100 kids and we all had few days slacking in

sickbay. Now it is inhalers all over the place and every village has a child

with autism or aspergers.

i was into natural healing seeing an ND when my last son was due and he sold me

Walene book, that was enough.

Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> I am 30 and even when I was in school I remember one kid with

> asthma

> and one kid who was allergic to something. Peanut allergies?

> No

> way. Cancer or diabetes? Not a chance. In an entire school of

> hundreds of children, there was only 1 whole special ed class

> with

> like 3 or 4 kids, who mostly had down syndrome. I never even

> heard

> the word autism until now.

> Actually, before I got pregnant I had pretty much the same

> opinion

> about vaccines that most people have now, which is actually no

> opinion at all. I think I first came across a vaccine article

> on the

> Weston A. Price website (which greatly helped me change my

> eating

> habits for the better) and on Dr. Mercola's site. From there I

> quickly joined this group which has been a tremendous help.

> Also,

> one the biggest help for me was reading through the AAP and CDC

> websites. Their information on vaccines is so short and simple

> and

> contradicting. I would reading something on one page, and then

> a few

> pages down I would read something that would completely

> contradict

> it. So many lies on those web sites and so easy to see. At 2

> months

> I was bullied by the doctor and husband into giving my son 4

> vaccines, but at his 4 month check up I stood firm and he did

> not

> get any and never will again. In fact, his last (waste of time

> and

> money) well check up was at 6 months, he is now 20 months.

> If someone says to me that I am endangering my child and that he

> can

> get a horrible deadly disease if I don't vaccinate, I say... " Oh

> yeah,

> like what kind of disease? " The conversation always ends there,

> that

> is how little they know. I feel sorry for the person who would

> try to

> take me on in this subject.

> Vida

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Katarina

> >

> > Just to name two common problems associated with vaccines. You

> don't know anyone who has or their kids have Asthma or

> Allergies ?

> I have teenagers that work for me. They always have colds. Many

> have

> Asthma or Allergies.

> > About 12 or 13 years ago, I had four of the healthiest looking

> girls working for me and all four had Asthma.

> > When I was a teen I didn't know one kid who had Asthma and I

> went

> to four schools. Not to say it didn't exist, but it must have

> been

> rare. This was in the 40s and 50s. A note on bringing up vaccine

> danger to people who have closed minds. I do it all the time.

> Not

> that I expect to change their mind but let them know their is a

> opposite opinion of theirs. Who knows after they hear me, they

> may

> run across someone else , than maybe hear something on TV or

> read

> something in a paper. Soon they will wake up and join. Remember

> we

> are a growing and more vocal voice now than ever before. Folks

> we are

> like rocks. We may wear away, but we are not going away. Forget

> about

> what other people think, the truth must come out.

> >

> > Jim

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That was a great thing to do!

I also cut my no vax teeth on Mothering Mag some 24 years ago when I got my

hands on the first one while pregnant with my first. It changed our lives

and set me on a path that I have been grateful for. I have never been the

perfect " natural " mom but I have used what I could and did my best. It is and

always has been an awesome publication and I have given them as part of baby

shower gifts too. I still have those old editions in a box somewhere cuz I

just

cannot part with them and plan on lending them to my daughters when they

start exploring that stuff more.

And since we are talking about " Mothering " . Just want to make sure that

everyone is aware of their online forums where you can get lots of info and

make friends with other moms in the " Find your Tribe " ,

Here's the Mag

_Mothering Magazine - The Magazine of Natural Family Living_

(http://mothering.com/)

Here's the Forum

_MotheringDotCommunity Forums - Powered by vBulletin_

(http://www.mothering.com/discussions/)

Mavis

" If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines

they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who

live under tyranny. "

- Jefferson

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(http://909shot.com/)

In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:41:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sylviapimentel@... writes:

Speaking of Mothering Magazine, here is what I did to spread

awareness of vaccine dangers:

I called Mothering Magazine and requested to buy a case of a past

issue of magazines with the vaccine dangers article on the front

cover. They were great, and since it was a past issue, they only

charged me a nominal fee for the whole case, I think it was around

$10 or $20 dollars which included the shipping charge to my home.

So once I got the case of magazines, I dropped them off at

pediatrician offices and coffee shops, and any place I thought young

mothers might frequent. It makes me feel great that a mom sitting

with her baby in the waiting room about to get loaded up with shots

might pick up that magazine and actually reconsider her choices.

Sylvia

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[Guest guest]

I'm on another group that is for kinda crunchy AP parents and

when I joined my son was baout 5 months old maybe 6 months. ANyway,

a few topics of discussion brought up vaccination and how some of the

moms/families on there don't vaccinate. I was intrigued as to why.

Being a new mom and not knowing much until AFTER my son was born - AP

style of parenting, gentle discipline, the truth about circ, extended

nursing, etc I was curious to find out what was so great about not

vaxxing or why vaccines warranted being skipped.

I started doing research as to what was in them first, I was grossed

out and became uneasy about all of it, but not enought to stop

vaxxing. I was a good little sheepie until my son was 15 months old

and I decided enough was enough. I decided to learn how to delay the

schedule - becasue I was still uneasy about stopping altogether and

DH wasn't on board - and would pick up where my son left off with the

vaccines when I had learned more. So basically I decided I was going

to do them, but wait to continue until after learning how to properly

space them.

Then I found this group, while I was pregnant with my DD no less and

learned very valuable information. So before my son was even two and

well before my baby was born I decided NO VACCINES anymore. It was

hard to convince DH that vaccines were harful, but I played the

emotions card on him and showed him what all the military had put in

him - asking " Do you really think that the government has our

children's best interest and health in mind? Do you want the

government to tell you how to care for YOUR kids? Do you want to risk

having our kids end up like your brother? (brain damaged from

malnourishment due to pyloric stenosis going undiagnosed for two

months - not the greatest comparison but he didn't want to risk his

kids being brain damaged by something we allowed to be put in them)

We had our baby at home and then to reinforce my decision to NOT

vaccinate I picked up a few books that came highly recommended (Neil

Z ) and became so sickend by what I learned that I could only

read the book in small doses before I wanted to go throw up.

My daughter is now 9.5 months old and vax free. My son is 2yrs9.5

months and was discontinued on any vaccine schedule after receiving

his last one at 15 months old. There are several things about being a

mom that I have learned a bit late, but it is better late than never!

DH is on board to and eve sticks up for me when his old school RN

grandma tries to spew some crap about vaccines. I guess some of the

things I tell him DO get retained!! LOL

-Kristi in KY

-- In Vaccinations , SabinaXXXI@... wrote:

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

the truth

> about vaccines.

[Guest guest]

I never really thought too much about vaccines prior to the birth of our

daughter. I was given a tetanus vaccine back in 1992 before I knew any

better and thankfully suffered no obvious damage from it.

I started training in alternative medicine around 1994, and became more

aware that vaccines were a contentious subject. Many I trained with had

strong views against. I became pregnant for the first time in 1994, but

miscarried, then the same again in early 1995. After a third miscarriage in

late 1995, I stared looking for *answers* and discovered " What Doctors Don't

Tell You " (www.wddty.com). I started taking their newsletters and read all

I could about the *other side* of medicine in all areas, but it was reading

Every Woman's Birthrights " by Pat that made me start wanting to learn

more about vaccinations in particular. Her book opened my eyes to the

futility of so many pregnancy procedures, and made me wonder what other

*accepted wisdom* the medical profession sold us that was dangerous. I then

got hold of a copy of " The Vaccination Bible " , published by WDDTY, and

started learning about the reality of vaccines, what was in them, how they

were made and the lies that the medical profession pushed to encourage naive

parents to use them in their precious babies.

By the time I made it successfully to term with my daughter, now 11 and

completely unvaxed, I knew beyond doubt she would never receive a vaccine as

long as I had the breath in my body to prevent it. I informed my GP before

her birth that he needn't bother making us appointments for vaccines as we

weren't going to have them. When the surgery did send us appointments for

her baby vaccines, we ignored them and tore them up. We've had little

trouble along the way - vaccination in the UK and Australia, where we now

live, is voluntary and everyone who has ever questioned our dd's status has

been looked squarely in the eye and informed that it's not an issue because

we don't subscribe to the barbaric medical practice of vaccination. I think

they get the message very quickly!

My daughter, bless her, has been well indoctrinated and has vowed to never

have any vaccines - her philosophy is that vaccines destroy children's lives

She asks lots of questions and I sincerely believe she understands the

danger, even if only on a simple level as yet.

Sue x

-- Question for moms

For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know the

truth

about vaccines.

I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all her

vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of those

people who

never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is normal and a

good

thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it right.

Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right before

turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and disgusted!

I was

also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to research just

about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its better late

then

never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter in any

way

and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many moms about

it,

but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most people I met

didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here that do

know.

I would just like to know how you all found out.

Sabina

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[Guest guest]

Speaking of Mothering Magazine, here is what I did to spread

awareness of vaccine dangers:

I called Mothering Magazine and requested to buy a case of a past

issue of magazines with the vaccine dangers article on the front

cover. They were great, and since it was a past issue, they only

charged me a nominal fee for the whole case, I think it was around

$10 or $20 dollars which included the shipping charge to my home.

So once I got the case of magazines, I dropped them off at

pediatrician offices and coffee shops, and any place I thought young

mothers might frequent. It makes me feel great that a mom sitting

with her baby in the waiting room about to get loaded up with shots

might pick up that magazine and actually reconsider her choices.

Sylvia

> >

> > For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to

know

> the truth

> > about vaccines.

> >

> > I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all

her

> > vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of

> those people who

> > never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is

normal

> and a good

> > thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do it

right.

> >

> > Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right

before

> > turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

> disgusted! I was

> > also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to

research

> just

> > about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its

better

> late then

> > never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my

daughter in

> any way

> > and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many

moms

> about it,

> > but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I

> met

> > didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms

here

> that do know.

> > I would just like to know how you all found out.

> >

> > Sabina

> >

> >

> > **************

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> > Gmail, and Mail. Try it now.

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What a terrific idea! I wonder if our local library has a subscription to

Mothering....

Winnie

Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> Speaking of Mothering Magazine, here is what I did to spread

> awareness of vaccine dangers:

>

> I called Mothering Magazine and requested to buy a case of a

> past

> issue of magazines with the vaccine dangers article on the front

> cover. They were great, and since it was a past issue, they only

> charged me a nominal fee for the whole case, I think it was

> around

> $10 or $20 dollars which included the shipping charge to my home.

>

> So once I got the case of magazines, I dropped them off at

> pediatrician offices and coffee shops, and any place I thought

> young

> mothers might frequent. It makes me feel great that a mom

> sitting

> with her baby in the waiting room about to get loaded up with

> shots

> might pick up that magazine and actually reconsider her choices.

>

> Sylvia

>

>

> > >

> > > For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come

> to

> know

> > the truth

> > > about vaccines.

> > >

> > > I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she

> had all

> her

> > > vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was

> one of

> > those people who

> > > never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is

> normal

> > and a good

> > > thing for chilldren/adults.And thought whatever doctors do

> it

> right.

> > >

> > > Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots

> right

> before

> > > turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

> > disgusted! I was

> > > also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used

> to

> research

> > just

> > > about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least

> its

> better

> > late then

> > > never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my

> daughter in

> > any way

> > > and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to

> many

> moms

> > about it,

> > > but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad.

> Most

> people I

> > met

> > > didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many

> moms

> here

> > that do know.

> > > I would just like to know how you all found out.

> > >

> > > Sabina

> > >

> > >

> > > **************

> > > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,

> > > Gmail, and Mail. Try it now.

> > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp &

> > > icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

And along those lines, adults who receive vaccinations fail to see the

connection between autoimmune disease and vaccines as well…my MIL began

traveling abroad about 5 or 6 years ago, to a variety of countries and

regions; and of course, is more than happy to receive all the recommended

vaccines for travel to those regions – since then, she now has chronic

asthma, for which she takes a prescription each and every day, and is

plagued with Fibromyalgia. And again, fails to see the connection…she also

has chronic UTI’s, and I’m sure there is a connection there as well!

Some people have their blinders up, and no matter how much you talk to them,

they will never get it. Trust me, I live amongst such people!

Chris

_____

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Jim O

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:42 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Re: Question for moms

Hi Katarina

Just to name two common problems associated with vaccines. You don't know

anyone who has or their kids have Asthma or Allergies ? I have teenagers

that work for me. They always have colds. Many have Asthma or Allergies.

About 12 or 13 years ago, I had four of the healthiest looking girls working

for me and all four had Asthma.

When I was a teen I didn't know one kid who had Asthma and I went to four

schools. Not to say it didn't exist, but it must have been rare. This was in

the 40s and 50s. A note on bringing up vaccine danger to people who have

closed minds. I do it all the time. Not that I expect to change their mind

but let them know their is a opposite opinion of theirs. Who knows after

they hear me, they may run across someone else , than maybe hear something

on TV or read something in a paper. Soon they will wake up and join.

Remember we are a growing and more vocal voice now than ever before. Folks

we are like rocks. We may wear away, but we are not going away. Forget about

what other people think, the truth must come out.

Jim

[Guest guest]

While I am not a parent, I feel the vaccine issue is something that we

all should be concerned about. Please don't take this the wrong way but

there are many people who seem to think this is a " mom " only issue and

because of that I have had the worst time getting my anti vaccine film

done. Some of the emails I get from people are shocking! I got one just

before I replied to this post demanding to know what my motives were

and why I was so concerned about vaccines. I guess it never crossed

this person's mind that I was poisoned as a child and spent many years

quite ill, I was never sick sick but i had no energy, and I never got

truly sick I think my body was chronically ill and suppressed symptoms.

When I was in my 20's I had the Hep B vaccine and got deathly ill,

before that I simply thought a " shot was a shot " and that you should

trust your Dr and do as told. BOY WAS I WRONG! I just wish I did not

have to learn the truth the hard way.

Re: Re: Question for moms

Hi Katarina

Just to name two common problems associated with vaccines. You don't

know

anyone who has or their kids have Asthma or Allergies ? =2

0I have

teenagers

that work for me. They always have colds. Many have Asthma or Allergies.

About 12 or 13 years ago, I had four of the healthiest looking girls

working

for me and all four had Asthma.

When I was a teen I didn't know one kid who had Asthma and I went to

four

schools. Not to say it didn't exist, but it must have been rare. This

was in

the 40s and 50s. A note on bringing up vaccine danger to people who have

closed minds. I do it all the time. Not that I expect to change their

mind

but let them know their is a opposite opinion of theirs. Who knows after

they hear me, they may run across someone else , than maybe hear

something

on TV or read something in a paper. Soon they will wake up and join.

Remember we are a growing and more vocal voice now than ever before.

Folks

we are like rocks. We may wear away, but we are not going away. Forget

about

what other people think, the truth must come out.

Jim

[Guest guest]

There's nothing like questioning vaccines that brings out the snarliness in

otherwise normal folks.

And while it's not just a mom issue, parents are targeted more often for giving

their kids vaccines because they will generally comply with whatever the peds

recommend (that, and the threat of school expulsion).

Look at the Hep. B vaccine. It was never meant for children. It was never tested

on children (as if it would " pass " anyway!). It was marketed for them purely

because the " at risk " groups were refusing it and the companies needed new

victims who wouldn't fight them.

But you're right, especially these days. This is everyone's problem now.

Winnie

Re: Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> While I am not a parent, I feel the vaccine issue is something

> that we

> all should be concerned about. Please don't take this the wrong

> way but

> there are many people who seem to think this is a " mom " only

> issue and

> because of that I have had the worst time getting my anti

> vaccine film

> done. Some of the emails I get from people are shocking! I got

> one just

> before I replied to this post demanding to know what my motives

> were

> and why I was so concerned about vaccines. I guess it never

> crossed

> this person's mind that I was poisoned as a child and spent many

> years

> quite ill, I was never sick sick but i had no energy, and I

> never got

> truly sick I think my body was chronically ill and suppressed

> symptoms.

> When I was in my 20's I had the Hep B vaccine and got deathly

> ill,

> before that I simply thought a " shot was a shot " and that you

> should

> trust your Dr and do as told. BOY WAS I WRONG! I just wish I did

> not

> have to learn the truth the hard way.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What a great idea! I believe that article is now available as a

reprint. You can order it online as a download for $4 (I think ! )

>

> Speaking of Mothering Magazine, here is what I did to spread

> awareness of vaccine dangers:

>

> I called Mothering Magazine and requested to buy a case of a past

> issue of magazines with the vaccine dangers article on the front

> cover. They were great, and since it was a past issue, they only

> charged me a nominal fee for the whole case, I think it was around

> $10 or $20 dollars which included the shipping charge to my home.

>

> So once I got the case of magazines, I dropped them off at

> pediatrician offices and coffee shops, and any place I thought

young

> mothers might frequent. It makes me feel great that a mom sitting

> with her baby in the waiting room about to get loaded up with shots

> might pick up that magazine and actually reconsider her choices.

>

> Sylvia

>

[Guest guest]

Do you have the date it was published? I have every issue for about the last 20

years.

Winnie

Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> What a great idea! I believe that article is now available as a

> reprint. You can order it online as a download for $4 (I think

> ! )

>

>

> >

> > Speaking of Mothering Magazine, here is what I did to spread

> > awareness of vaccine dangers:

> >

> > I called Mothering Magazine and requested to buy a case of a

> past

> > issue of magazines with the vaccine dangers article on the

> front

> > cover. They were great, and since it was a past issue, they

> only

> > charged me a nominal fee for the whole case, I think it was

> around

> > $10 or $20 dollars which included the shipping charge to my home.

> >

> > So once I got the case of magazines, I dropped them off at

> > pediatrician offices and coffee shops, and any place I thought

> young

> > mothers might frequent. It makes me feel great that a mom

> sitting

> > with her baby in the waiting room about to get loaded up with

> shots

> > might pick up that magazine and actually reconsider her choices.

> >

> > Sylvia

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

the

> truth

> about vaccines.

I'm really enjoying learning about everyone's stories. For me, I was

32 when we had our first child, so being a little older, I had more

time to research ; ). I originally started hearing about links to

autism and the MMR in the mainstream media. Of course, they always

shrugged off this link, but it was enough for me that it was a red

flag. I knew that when the time came to have kids, I would need to

research it further. When I was pregnant with our first child, I

took a holistic birth class because I wanted the pregnancy and birth

to be as natural as possible. Luckily, they touched on vaccines in

that class and gave me a direction to go in as far as research. I

read Neil s books and the Barbara Loe Fisher book " A shot in

the dark " . I asked a lot of health care professionals their

opinions, and the nurses and docs I knew all said the same

thing... " the benefit is worth the risk " . It was like a hypnotic

chant that I think they must all be taught in med school! Also, they

are acknowledging there IS a risk! I don't want my child being the

one who is sacrificed for the " greater good " ! Luckily, I had a great

chiropractor who was also an influence on us with our decision not to

vaccinate. Sometimes it helps to have someone to support what you

already know in your heart is right. I am so grateful that I learned

about vaccine dangers before I had kids! My two are now 3 and 16

months and are so healthy! Never an ear infection, no antibiotics

ever, only a few minor colds and my daughter had 1 fever that ended

up at 103.5 for a day. They are almost too healthy! I know there is

a lot of thought regarding illness and milestone development, so

sometimes I almost wish they would get something (minor) to

overcome! Thanks everyone for your stories! --

[Guest guest]

When I began to change my diet to more natural and had eventually

decided to go with a homebirth. The community I had gotten in touch

with (with cloth-diapering, homebirthing, breastfeeding, etc) was

questioning vaccines, so I decided to do my own research. I had already

decided not to vax my dog - it became even more important to learn

about human vaccines. I have always thought that vaccines only

contained the virus - boy, did I learn otherwise. I " delayed " vaccines

until my son was 1 and by then I had learned all I needed to know.

is now almost 4.5 and he's never been vaxxed.

Magda

[Guest guest]

Marcia....my heart goes out to you....

Sabina

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The one I bought a case of was at least 3 or 4 years old. I bought

them a few months after the issue date. I will see if I can find a

copy and take a look at the date and issue number.

Sylvia

> > >

> > > Speaking of Mothering Magazine, here is what I did to spread

> > > awareness of vaccine dangers:

> > >

> > > I called Mothering Magazine and requested to buy a case of a

> > past

> > > issue of magazines with the vaccine dangers article on the

> > front

> > > cover. They were great, and since it was a past issue, they

> > only

> > > charged me a nominal fee for the whole case, I think it was

> > around

> > > $10 or $20 dollars which included the shipping charge to my

home.

> > >

> > > So once I got the case of magazines, I dropped them off at

> > > pediatrician offices and coffee shops, and any place I thought

> > young

> > > mothers might frequent. It makes me feel great that a mom

> > sitting

> > > with her baby in the waiting room about to get loaded up with

> > shots

> > > might pick up that magazine and actually reconsider her choices.

> > >

> > > Sylvia

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Is this it?

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/vaccines/wake.html

Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> The one I bought a case of was at least 3 or 4 years old. I

> bought

> them a few months after the issue date. I will see if I can find

> a

> copy and take a look at the date and issue number.

>

> Sylvia

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Speaking of Mothering Magazine, here is what I did to

> spread

> > > > awareness of vaccine dangers:

> > > >

> > > > I called Mothering Magazine and requested to buy a case of

> a

> > > past

> > > > issue of magazines with the vaccine dangers article on the

> > > front

> > > > cover. They were great, and since it was a past issue,

> they

> > > only

> > > > charged me a nominal fee for the whole case, I think it

> was

> > > around

> > > > $10 or $20 dollars which included the shipping charge to

> my

> home.

> > > >

> > > > So once I got the case of magazines, I dropped them off at

> > > > pediatrician offices and coffee shops, and any place I

> thought

> > > young

> > > > mothers might frequent. It makes me feel great that a mom

> > > sitting

> > > > with her baby in the waiting room about to get loaded up

> with

> > > shots

> > > > might pick up that magazine and actually reconsider her choices.

> > > >

> > > > Sylvia

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

For some reason I get two copies of Mothering, so I always take one to

my chiro's office... I never thought about donating it to the library.

Good idea!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:49 AM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

> What a terrific idea! I wonder if our local library has a subscription to

> Mothering....

>

> Winnie

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Isn't this the truth. I had a friend come by the other day. We were talking

about something that was believed to be safe but wasn't, and he said " like our

vaccines. "   I was suprised he mentioned them and decided to tell him I agreed

and that we didn't vaccinate. He looked shocked and said " you have to

vaccinate " ! I'm thinking, you just said you don't believe they're safe. It was

the fastest " jekyll/hyde I have ever seen. He then told me that there are cases

of wild polio in the next town over from us brought here by the illegal mexicans

(we're in south Florida). And I'm the silly one for not vaccinating.

<<There's nothing like questioning vaccines that brings out the snarliness in

otherwise normal folks. >>

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Next time say " and how is vaccinating for Hep. B., Hep. A, diptheria, pertussis,

tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella, pneumonia, Hib, chicken pox, rotavirus, flu

and meningitis going to protect against polio? "

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Re: Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

> Isn't this the truth. I had a friend come by the other day. We

> were talking about something that was believed to be safe but

> wasn't, and he said " like our vaccines. " I was suprised he

> mentioned them and decided to tell him I agreed and that we

> didn't vaccinate. He looked shocked and said " you have to

> vaccinate " ! I'm thinking, you just said you don't believe

> they're safe. It was the fastest " jekyll/hyde I have ever seen.

> He then told me that there are cases of wild polio in the next

> town over from us brought here by the illegal mexicans (we're in

> south Florida). And I'm the silly one for not vaccinating.

>

>

>

> <> snarliness in otherwise normal folks. >>

>

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Hi Sabina

I could have written the exact same post...word for word. I too

researched so much when I was pregnant but not a word about

vaccines. I knew everything about pregnancy, labor, delivery but

nada about vaccination. I know how much you must be hurting inside

because you did not research this earlier. I started reading about

vaccines around the time she was due for MMR and was disgusted with

what I learnt. Since then we have stopped vaccinating and now I feel

incredibly relieved and guilt-free. I too pray that her little body

does not get any long-term side effects due to the obnoxious

vaccines and now I try to take care of what I put in her body. Good

luck to you too.

Deepali

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " SabinaXXXI@... " <SabinaXXXI@...>

> Vaccinations

> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:19:16 PM

> Subject: Question for moms

>

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to

know the truth

> about vaccines.

>

> I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all

her

> vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of

those people who

> never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is

normal and a good

> thing for chilldren/adults. And thought whatever doctors do it

right.

>

> Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right

before

> turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and

disgusted! I was

> also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to

research just

> about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its

better late then

> never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter

in any way

> and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many

moms about it,

> but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most

people I met

> didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms

here that do know.

> I would just like to know how you all found out.

>

> Sabina

>

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Depali,

Thanks for sharing. I guess its better late then never. Thanks for your kind

words.

Sabina

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I was never vaccinated, so I thought it was a strange practice to

vaccinate my children.

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

the truth

> about vaccines.

>

>>

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This is probably an old subject, because I saw the subject before, but never the

" original " one.

With me, it was a gut feeling even before I had kids, I almost got let go from a

job because I refused to get one they said I HAD to have, and never got flu

shots, I just didn't think they were a bad thing. I didn't have my sons til I

was 40 and second at 43, but was bullied into having my first one done even

though I knew it was wrong. Then I joined NVIC (?) and then this group an got

information, read Mendelssohn's books, other books and made my decision and

stopped all shots. Had my second son and he has had none, not any kind of

needle in him. I felt guilty I had my first son done, but when you have just

given birth and all the hormones are going crazy, you get intimidated by the

dr's saying you will be in neglect if you don't vaccinate and the pre-k schools

saying your son is out unless he has this shot. After I found I did not have

to, I got mad, made my exemption letter and went from there, and never let any

one intimidate me again! I got them into another pre-school, into their

present school, my kids were the first ones in with no shots, now other families

are there. So....15 years later, I am still saying YES when asked in the ER if

they are up to date on their shots, because as far as I am concerned, they ARE

up to date on their shots, because no shots are up to date for me! the school

has accepted me and the dr's office is fine with it, and next will be colleges,

but you know, I am ready to take them on too....

If you are here, you are learning, keep learning and break away.....

Western NY

Re: Question for moms

I was never vaccinated, so I thought it was a strange practice to

vaccinate my children.

>

> For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know

the truth

> about vaccines.

>

>>

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After reading Neil 's book I was changed forever!!!! It has been one of

the most difficult decisions to be comfortable and confident with, but I am and

will not look back ever for the sake of my beautiful daughter!

Rina Barillas

From: Jim O <jimokelly@...>

Subject: Re: Question for moms

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:36 AM

My daughter had reactions after her smallpox shot.

Jim

____________ _________ _________ __

From: " SabinaXXXIaol (DOT) com " <SabinaXXXIaol (DOT) com>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:19:16 PM

Subject: Question for moms

For all the moms in the group, I was wondering how you come to know the truth

about vaccines.

I myself found out right before my daughter turned 2 (she had all her

vaccines until then...so angry and sickened by that) I was one of those people

who

never questioned it because I was brainwashed to think it is normal and a good

thing for chilldren/adults. And thought whatever doctors do it right.

Then one day, (the same day my mom took her for her shots right before

turning 2) I researched it online and WOW, talk about angry and disgusted! I was

also angry at myself for not researching it before. I used to research just

about everything online while I was pregnant. But at least its better late then

never. I kept praying that none of this poison affects my daughter in any way

and also prayed for other helpless children. I did talk to many moms about it,

but it seems like most people just dont believe it. Sad. Most people I met

didnt know the truth so its good to know that are so many moms here that do

know.

I would just like to know how you all found out.

Sabina

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