Just some thoughts

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I was thinking about the genetic differences in all of us.  I think all of us

are prone to some diseases and not others. Nature intended it that way for a

reason, so if there was a major disease outbreak some of us would survive, even

if many of us are susceptible and die from the disease.

This genetic difference is what accounts for the huge difference we see in what

is tolerated in some people.  Nothing is tolerated by everybody in the world, no

food, no medicine, no chemicals or environmental things.  What we humans are

trying to do is infect 100% of the population (i.e. vaccinate) with the same

diseases even if only 5% (just an imaginary number) of the population were

susceptible to the disease. I think this is the most ridiculous way for research

to be done.  We are not only not discovering why the 5% is susceptible, but the

government and drug companies think that every baby is like every other without

accounting for genes, food, environment etc.  Makes me wonder what our genes

will be like in the future - I can imagine some horrible scene were all the

vaccinated children end up being susceptible to the same disease because of

their previous vaccinations. 

Sorry I am just rambling, but I was thinking how lack of diversity in everything

is usually a problem and that is where the world as a whole is going now, with

food, medicine, culture etc etc and nature doesn't work that way!!  I am so glad

that I joined this group because even though I have always questioned vaccines,

I know I wouldn't have the courage to act out of the norm without the support.

K

From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...>

Subject: Re: Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 10:13 PM

Welcome, and congratulations on your son! Good for you to

question vaccines, and I can see why after your experiences. I think you put it

a great way, that vaccinating is engraved on our brains. That is so true.

Now, I know it's scary not to vaccinate when we're taught to believe in it. But

you will come to see that vaccines are far scarier. First, look at the risks.

When you vaccinate, the risk of reactions is immediate. When you don't

vaccinate, the risk of disease is NOT immediate. First, you have to be

exposed--which might never happen. Then you have to come down with the disease

(and even then, your child is far from doomed). Until that point, there is no

risk comparison between vaxing and not vaxing. Does that make sense?

The second thing is that unless vaccines work, there is no risk vs. benefit to

weigh. There just plain is no benefit. That takes awhile to come to understand.

Most people still think well, it's risky but at least there will be protection.

NOT TRUE.

You mention pneumonia. All four of my children have had it. None had the

vaccine. All got through it (and I did use antibiotcs). I believe my earlier use

of traditional meds, antibiotics, etc. for minor illnesses affected their immune

systems and left them susceptible. I didn't know any alternatives at the time.

I have had a lot of scary experiences with childhood illnesses but it hasn't

been with measles, mumps, rubella, Hep. B, etc. My longest lasting and scariest

was a couple of years nursing one son through asthma from a reaction to the MMR.

On the vitamins, I never gave a baby vitamin supplements, but I was

breastfeeding. If you are, you could take the vitamins yourself. If not,

hopefully someone here can share what they would do. I would use homeopathy and

give lots of fluids, and use a vaporizer if the baby got a cold.

Winnie

Introduction, questions regarding vitamins

Vaccinations

> I'm glad I found this group...

>

> I have a 3.5 months old son who I delivered naturally and who

> did not

> receive the vitamin K shot, eye ointments nor the HepB shot they urged

> us to give him (the only thing we did was plant-derived, oral vitamin

> K - he did have some bruising from 180 minutes of pushing). He

> has not

> received any vaccines since I didn't feel comfortable. I'm doing lots

> of research and don't want to do any vaccines at this point,

> period. I

> do feel a little scared though, it's really engraved deeply into my

> brain...

> I was vaccinated because there was no choice anyways until I was 7

> (ex-communist country), it was mandatory. However I received less

> vaccines overall than same-aged Americans (no MMR, HiB as child)

> - I

> guess there I was lucky once that East Germany didn't have the money

> to buy those vaccines!!!

> In 8th grade biology we were taught immunology: basically how great

> vaccines are, no side effects mentioned and how it works. Nobody ever

> questioned the whole thing. My parents weren't taught to question

> anything anyways, it was hard for them to be allowed to question

> things and then go ahead with it (they were 40 years old when the

> system collapsed, you really have to re-learn everything!) ; they now

> are also very cautious and do not trust big pharma. Anyways,

> when I

> was in 10th grade we had to watch a video from the health department

> about Hepatites B. I had never heard of it before and boy it scared

> the he** out of us. BAsically my entire class ran to the doctor and

> had the shots, all of us. We didn't know any better. My next

> experience was getting immunized because of immigration requirements

> to the US (for my marriage based green card). Turns out, you

> need to

> be vaccinated. I didn't mind at that point because I had no

> idea. I

> had no idea that there was a waiver, but that would have been

> expensive anyways. So, I had to get the MMR and varicella shots.

> I did

> have mumps in 4th grade and said why would I need that vaccine, but

> the doctor (in NH) claimed it won't hurt and boost my natural immunity

> to mumps (???!!!). I never had chicken pox cause they just weren't

> around when I was young. Oh well. I had a mighty reaction to

> MMR. I

> had symptoms of measles and a terrible fever. I soon recovered, but

> developed bowel inflammations. It hurt terribly and I lost quite some

> weight (from 120 to 104 pounds in 2 months!). Those inflammations

> didn't stop until well over a year; I had the last episode

> before my

> pregnancy in 2007. I am absolutely convinced that the attenuated

> measles virus is responsible for that!

> So I started to get cautious and didn't do anymore vaccines.

> When I

> was preggo they checked my titers for chicken pox, guess what, the

> vaccine didn't work, I am not immune! I also was checked for 5th

> disease which I never had, yet I am immune... I just think that there

> are many components to our immune system that are unknown and I think

> it's dangerous to toy around with it. I was disgusted to learn the

> ingredients of vaccines and nearly threw up when I heard of fetal

> cells being used for some vaccines; the genetically engineered nature

> of the HepB vaccine is terribly dangerous. It reminds me of that movie

> (I know it's based up on a book, but I didn't read it, so I have to

> quote the movie) I am Legend - they invent a cancer vaccine and thus

> create a virus to eradicate humankind. I think that really is a valid

> concern; nature backlashes when you try to interfere like that!

> Anyways, I know I don't want to vaccinate, but sometimes I get scared.

> What if he contracts pneumonia etc... But then I know that

> nobody in

> my generation had that vaccine yet we are here. The fear

> mongering is

> really everywhere and it's hard to escape. I'd love to hear from you

> how you deal with it, I know it's purely emotional so there must

> be a

> way to " therapy myself of that fear " .

> Sadly I want to add: my sister, a research PhD MD, had her son 3 weeks

> ahead of me. She firmly believes in vaccination. I know that she never

> researched the topic though; it's just engraved by med school in her

> brain that vaccines = great. Her son did get his first round of shots

> at 3 months (the full armory - Germany has the same schedule as the

> US, just omits the hepB shot at birth). She even has him being

> part in

> a trial for the new Prevnar 13. It worries me sick, I hope my nephew

> has a strong immune system to fight those toxic things injected into

> him. He didn't show any reaction to the vaccines, but that doesn't

> mean that there is no long term damage. I can't discuss it with my

> sister since she is a very stubborn person who I also don't tell that

> we don't vaccinate; she'd go nuts over it... So I let it be for now.

> My parents know though and agree; my dad was shocked to learn

> how many

> vaccines are given at once and immediately though it's just too much.

> I think most critical parents have that gut reaction!

> Alrighty, this was a lot for an introduction. ..

>

> My last question is: I do want to get some vitamin A,C and D for my

> son for when he gets a cold, I read a lot about it that it helps...

> Which supplements do you buy? I read people buy vitamin C as sodium

> ascorbate or something similar - could you guys help me with that?

> that would be awesome

>

> Thanks so much,

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