Well Visits

December 16, 2008

I'm a mother of 5 and never did well baby check ups. 3 are grown now. It

seems to me that you are confident that your baby is growing and doing fine.

You don't need a doctor to tell you that. As far as finding support when you

need it....what I did was learn enough about homeopathy so that I could deal

with acute illnesses as they arose. By learning about Homeopathy, I also

learned a lot about illness and what is truly serious and what I could treat on

my own. If you look around, you should be able to find a class or a group of

other moms who are like minded. To start, You can check out " find your

tribe " on

_Vaccinations - MotheringDotCommunity Forums_

(http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47)

Sheri, our list leader here also offers classes online that you could learn

a lot!!

You can establish a relationship with a good chiropractor and/or family doc

who respects your rights as the parent.

And in real emergencies, there is always the emergency room!

Still, it is most important to continue educating yourself and to become

empowered to advocate for your children. You have to get strong enough to

stand

up against the establishment and do what you feel is best for your children,

which is often not what they tell you is best.

Over the years, the more that I learned and the more experience that I got,

the easier it was. This is not to say that it is always easy, it isn't but

in the end, the decisions are yours to make and believe me, your kids will

thank you some day for protecting them. Because, I believe that the time is

coming, where the truth about " modern medicine " will be fully exposed and you

will be able to say to yourself, that is what I thought way back when they were

saying I was wrong. Ha.

There are lots of smart folks here too who are always willing to help answer

questions and offer suggestions for health.

Go with your gut on this one!

Mavis

In a message dated 12/17/2008 6:14:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jnnyrvn@... writes:

My question is when and how do you find support when its

needed?

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December 17, 2008

I have done selective/delayed/1 at a time vaccinations on my 3 yr old

DD and my 4 mo old has had none. The 3 yr old thank God has had no

reactions to the shots thus far that I am aware of but I truly wasn't

comfortable with getting any; most were given out of guilt by Drs. and

she has not had any since she was 18 mo old.

I have come along way in 3 years and now have no problem signing that

vaccine waiver form. HOwever, now that both girls are due for well

visits I have a sick feeling in my stomach about taking them. I

actually made appointments and canceled them both! Should I take them?

Am I terrible if I don't? I weighed/measured the baby and she is

growing at the same rate as her sister and both girls seem healthy to

me. My oldest just got her first real sickness in 3 yrs. (a mini flu

bug) thats it!. How can I best meet the needs of my kids without the

pressures of living by the medical model? Does anyone have/know any

Naturopaths (sp) in MI or how one might become one, take classes,

anything would be helpful. I want to help my children have strong

healthy bodies but also realize that there is a time and place for

medicine. My question is when and how do you find support when its

needed?

December 17, 2008

Always follow your instincts. The world won't come to an end if you don't take

your children to the doctor when they're well. You don't need a doc to tell you

that. The only reason for well child checkups is to vaccinate. So, no, you're

not terrible to not want to waste time and money to find out something you

already know. When the kids are older, schools will require health forms, but

that's later.

You can best meet the needs of your kids first by not harming them through

vaccines. Second, you should acquaint yourself with natural medicines, but I

think you're wise to consider getting a naturopath. It doesn't look like ND's

are licensed in MI, though: http://www.naturopathic.org/viewbulletin.php?id=118

Get yourself a good book on natural health care. My favorite is Your Healthy

Child by Alice L. Duncan. I can't find new copies any more, but there are used

ones available online at Amazon and & Noble.

You can keep an MD on hand for if you want traditional drugs/treatments as

options, or you can go to an ER/walk in clinic. As time goes by, the questions

you have will not be so burning and worrisome. I promise.

Winnie

Well Visits

Vaccinations

> I have done selective/delayed/1 at a time vaccinations on my 3

> yr old

> DD and my 4 mo old has had none. The 3 yr old thank God has had no

> reactions to the shots thus far that I am aware of but I truly wasn't

> comfortable with getting any; most were given out of guilt by

> Drs. and

> she has not had any since she was 18 mo old.

>

> I have come along way in 3 years and now have no problem

> signing that

> vaccine waiver form. HOwever, now that both girls are due for well

> visits I have a sick feeling in my stomach about taking them. I

> actually made appointments and canceled them both! Should I take them?

> Am I terrible if I don't? I weighed/measured the baby and she is

> growing at the same rate as her sister and both girls seem

> healthy to

> me. My oldest just got her first real sickness in 3 yrs. (a mini flu

> bug) thats it!. How can I best meet the needs of my kids without the

> pressures of living by the medical model? Does anyone have/know any

> Naturopaths (sp) in MI or how one might become one, take classes,

> anything would be helpful. I want to help my children have strong

> healthy bodies but also realize that there is a time and place for

> medicine. My question is when and how do you find support when its

> needed?

>

December 17, 2008

Most of these forms have in there that you know you are endangering your child

and others if you don't vaccinate. If you sign that, you are admitting that your

choice not to vaccinate is neglectful. You are knowingly refusing anyway.

Ask the doc if they're concerned about being sued if you don't follow their

advice. If so, just sign that yes, you are refusing vaccines that your doc

recommends. Period. Cross out everything else.

Winnie

Re: Well Visits

Vaccinations

> Question - why should we not sign the form to not vax? I take

> my 4 month old for his well-check next week and the Dr. office

> said it is fine that we do not vax, but we have to sign a form.

> Can someone help me on this? I don't understand why I shouldn't

> sign the form. Thanks.

>

December 17, 2008

I agree with Venita.

I have a three-year-old who has seen an allopath exactly ONCE, due to

an emergency, and my seven-month-old has never seen an allopath at

all. I do take them both in for regular chiropractic treatments

(twice a month), and it is all well-documented, in case there is ever

a question as to their medical care. And in fact, they receive

well-care a lot more often than a child who just sees allopathic docs

for " well visits " . My chiro would be able to tell me in a heart beat

if there is something going on with my kid that I hadn't noticed. He

would also instruct me to take my child to the ER or doc immediately

if there was a problem that he thought needed that type of

intervention.

I purchased a baby scale on Craigslist for $5.00 to keep tabs on my

infant's growth. I measure his head, length, everything the doc would

do. I don't pay any attention to the doctor's charts either, because

they are tailored with a formula fed child in mind, so they are skewed

against exclusively breastfed infants. I don't care if my kids are

smaller than what a doctor would call " average " , since my husband and

I are both small. As long as they are growing, are happy and healthy,

reaching milestones, etc. who cares about the allopath's dumb charts?

If I have a problem that needs true medical intervention, I go

directly to the ER, but I don't need a doc to tell me my children are

healthy.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote:

> Because of how they word the form. It's THEIR form and the usual guilt-trip

> crap is in there and it could technically used against you. why do you need

> to take the baby in for a well check? Are you not capable of seeing that

> your baby is well? why take a well kid to a place where sick people are?

> " well checks " are for vaccines. If you don't use their products, why go to

> their store? Health is a business and vaccines are consumer driven, ensured

> with future sales by scare tactics and intimidation by its employees.

>

> I have a 10 month old. He's not been to the doctor since he was 2 weeks old.

> I don't need a doctor to tell me what I already know and I don't want their

> wares either.

>

> If you want to know how much they weigh, weigh him at home. Measure him at

> home. I don't pay attention to their graphs either.

December 18, 2008

That's right. It matters how they grow, not if they grow according to a chart,

which apparently some docs don't even give much thought to. My youngest did not

gain an ounce between 9-12 months. The ped had no reaction when I pointed it out

in a state of panic (probably figured I deserved an unhealthy child for not

vaxing!). He didn't care one whit, either that or he was clueless as to why.

In the midst of yet another ear infection and the millionth round of antibiotics

for one thing or another, I snapped out of my mental fog and told the doc I

wasn't doing things his way any more. He got all snarly and snippy " so what will

you do, " as I walked out the door for the last time.

No, the weight checks are just a ruse to get you in to vaccinate.

Winnie

Re: Re: Well Visits

Vaccinations

> I agree with Venita.

>

> I have a three-year-old who has seen an allopath exactly ONCE,

> due to

> an emergency, and my seven-month-old has never seen an allopath at

> all. I do take them both in for regular chiropractic treatments

> (twice a month), and it is all well-documented, in case there is ever

> a question as to their medical care. And in fact, they receive

> well-care a lot more often than a child who just sees allopathic docs

> for " well visits " . My chiro would be able to tell me in a heart beat

> if there is something going on with my kid that I hadn't

> noticed. He

> would also instruct me to take my child to the ER or doc immediately

> if there was a problem that he thought needed that type of

> intervention.

>

> I purchased a baby scale on Craigslist for $5.00 to keep tabs on my

> infant's growth. I measure his head, length, everything the doc would

> do. I don't pay any attention to the doctor's charts either, because

> they are tailored with a formula fed child in mind, so they are skewed

> against exclusively breastfed infants. I don't care if my kids are

> smaller than what a doctor would call " average " , since my

> husband and

> I are both small. As long as they are growing, are happy and healthy,

> reaching milestones, etc. who cares about the allopath's dumb charts?

> If I have a problem that needs true medical intervention, I go

> directly to the ER, but I don't need a doc to tell me my

> children are

> healthy.

>

> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Venita Garner

> wrote:

> > Because of how they word the form. It's THEIR form and the

> usual guilt-trip

> > crap is in there and it could technically used against you.

> why do you need

> > to take the baby in for a well check? Are you not capable of

> seeing that

> > your baby is well? why take a well kid to a place where sick

> people are?

> > " well checks " are for vaccines. If you don't use their

> products, why go to

> > their store? Health is a business and vaccines are consumer

> driven, ensured

> > with future sales by scare tactics and intimidation by its

> employees.>

> > I have a 10 month old. He's not been to the doctor since he

> was 2 weeks old.

> > I don't need a doctor to tell me what I already know and I

> don't want their

> > wares either.

> >

> > If you want to know how much they weigh, weigh him at home.

> Measure him at

> > home. I don't pay attention to their graphs either.

>

December 19, 2008

Jim, I just wanted to let you know I have really enjoyed reading your e-mails.

I wish I had met someone like you years ago. Anyway, please keep posting and

encouraging all of us to follow our own instincts...I did have those gut

instincts when I first took my infants to the doctor's office for well visits

and saw them vaccinated. Now I have a son with autism (thankfully he is mild),

but I look back and wish I had that voice of reason to support me in my guts

feelings. You are right that doctors and nurses look at you like you're totally

crazy if you question the vaccine routine. Hopefully, your postings will

encourage more and more parents to stand up to the insanity of vaccines. Thanks

so much for taking the time to share your insights. Janet

From: Jim O <jimokelly@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Well Visits

Vaccinations

Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:20 PM

On the Allopath side a copy of Mendelsohn M.D. " How to raise

a healthy child in spite of your doctor " book will give excellent advice

on childhood illness. On the health side a book by Harvey Diamond

or Bragg just to name two, will teach you how to ween your self away from

doctors

and be your own doctor which should be the goal of every thinking

person. The only time one needs an Allopath is during crises or trauma.

I haven't been to a doctor in over 40 years, and outside of an aspirin never

taken an anti(against) biotic(life) . As Dr. Herbert Shelton said(not an

Allopath)

one builds health by healthful living.

P.S. The sick feeling you get is an inner intelligence telling you something.

I have noticed a lot of women experience that, but tend to ignor it over the

scare tactics of the enstein group.( Allopaths)

Let that higher power guide you. You will get lots of support and guidence

from this list. The sooner you understand this vaccine insanity, the sooner you

can begin to help others

see the light.

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D.

Shots in body's are dangerous

and drugs too(meds)

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Dawn <dawndanc (DOT) com>

Vaccinations

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:50:07 AM

Subject: Re: Well Visits

I totally agree with everything that Mavis has said.. Whatever you do

though, do NOT sign that vaccine waiver form that the pediatrician

provides you with. Find a doctor who will not force you to sign it.

If you read it carefully, it states that you are a neglectful parent

for not vaccinating and that you are putting everyone at risk by your

actions. Some parents have had child protective services alerted

when they signed this form - amazing how that is not news worthy,

huh? Not all doctors are making parents sign this - most are though.

>

> I have done selective/delayed/ 1 at a time vaccinations on my 3 yr

old

> DD and my 4 mo old has had none. The 3 yr old thank God has had no

> reactions to the shots thus far that I am aware of but I truly

wasn't

> comfortable with getting any; most were given out of guilt by Drs.

and

> she has not had any since she was 18 mo old.

>

> I have come along way in 3 years and now have no problem signing

that

> vaccine waiver form. HOwever, now that both girls are due for well

> visits I have a sick feeling in my stomach about taking them. I

> actually made appointments and canceled them both! Should I take

them?

> Am I terrible if I don't? I weighed/measured the baby and she is

> growing at the same rate as her sister and both girls seem healthy

to

> me. My oldest just got her first real sickness in 3 yrs. (a mini flu

> bug) thats it!. How can I best meet the needs of my kids without the

> pressures of living by the medical model? Does anyone have/know any

> Naturopaths (sp) in MI or how one might become one, take classes,

> anything would be helpful. I want to help my children have strong

> healthy bodies but also realize that there is a time and place for

> medicine. My question is when and how do you find support when its

> needed?

>

December 20, 2008

Janet

Thanks.

Sorry to hear about your son.

I know about the regrets. I have them like everyone one

on this list who has or had a vaccine damaged child.

I to wish I would have known somebody like me when I let

Dr. enstein inject that small pox pus into my little girls arm.

Our consolation is in the fact that everyday in this world

there are people like us helping others not to have to go through

the pain and heartache we have had to go through.

And when push comes to shove somebody is going to pay for

all this suffering they have caused ,either for money or because of there

ignorance or because they

are not decent enough to admit their wrongs.

Jim

________________________________

From: " janetskeith@... " <janetskeith@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:40:32 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Well Visits

Jim, I just wanted to let you know I have really enjoyed reading your e-mails.

I wish I had met someone like you years ago. Anyway, please keep posting and

encouraging all of us to follow our own instincts... I did have those gut

instincts when I first took my infants to the doctor's office for well visits

and saw them vaccinated. Now I have a son with autism (thankfully he is mild),

but I look back and wish I had that voice of reason to support me in my guts

feelings. You are right that doctors and nurses look at you like you're totally

crazy if you question the vaccine routine. Hopefully, your postings will

encourage more and more parents to stand up to the insanity of vaccines. Thanks

so much for taking the time to share your insights. Janet

From: Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Well Visits

Vaccinations

Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:20 PM

On the Allopath side a copy of Mendelsohn M.D. " How to raise

a healthy child in spite of your doctor " book will give excellent advice

on childhood illness. On the health side a book by Harvey Diamond

or Bragg just to name two, will teach you how to ween your self away from

doctors

and be your own doctor which should be the goal of every thinking

person. The only time one needs an Allopath is during crises or trauma.

I haven't been to a doctor in over 40 years, and outside of an aspirin never

taken an anti(against) biotic(life) . As Dr. Herbert Shelton said(not an

Allopath)

one builds health by healthful living.

P.S. The sick feeling you get is an inner intelligence telling you something.

I have noticed a lot of women experience that, but tend to ignor it over the

scare tactics of the enstein group.( Allopaths)

Let that higher power guide you. You will get lots of support and guidence

from this list. The sooner you understand this vaccine insanity, the sooner you

can begin to help others

see the light..