Re: INFO DR. GAVE ME at well-check (pro-vax stuff)

[Guest guest]

This guy is an Offit worshiper. Run from him.

The very fact that he can give you info pointing out the strength of the immune

system and at the same time insist on vaccines to do the immune system's work

shows his idiocy. And the sources he gave you are so, so biased. It doesn't get

any worse than this kind of ped.

Seriously, you need to find another doc. Now.

Winnie

INFO DR. GAVE ME at well-check (pro-vax stuff)

Vaccinations

> here's all the " info " he gave me to look into.

>

> Iwould like some feed back on this..put it into light for me.

> make it

> make sense for me from the " non-vax " point of view.

> thanks!

>

> I don't know much about the body or how it works but

> here's the info the dr. gave me:

> FYI, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PRINTED PAPER THEY HAND OUT AT THE OFFICE

> TO

> ANYONE QUESTIONING VACCINES!

>

> " An infant's immune system is too weak for vaccines'??

> (what paper says to do/say)

>

> *Take a moment early on and briefly descibe the power of the

> human

> immune system

> *The immune system has the capacity to respond to extremely

> large

> numbers of antigens; possibly 10 thousand or more

> * 2 billion CD4 T lymphocytes can be replenished daily

> *T and B lymphocytes are abundant in a " lock and key " ability to

> deal

> with antigens individually; therefore no " immune system overload "

>

> ** The Ocean Analogy**

> When an infant is in the mother's womb, they're in a sterile

> environment. When they enter the birth canal and are born,

> they're no

> longer in a sterile environment. Bacteria quickly begin to live

> on

> the baby's skin, their nose, their throat. The average person

> has

> trillions of bcteria living on the surface of their body. We are

> able

> to make an immune response to these bacteria. If we didn't, they

> would invade the bloodstream and cause death. Each bacterium has

> 2,000-6,000 proteins that our immune system is able to handle.

> If you

> consider all 14 vaccines given to children, it's probably 150

> immunological components or proteins. That's literally just a

> drop in

> the ocean.

> -Dr A. Offit, Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia

> Division Chief, Infection Disese Section

>

>

> Vaccine communication resources

> *provide current resources for timely information

> *websites

> www.immunizationinfor.org (NNii)

> www.dovaccinescausethat.com

> www.immunize.org (immunization action coalition)

> www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety

> www.fda.gove/cber/safety

> www.ecbt.org

> www.vaccinateyourbaby.org

> www.vaccine.chop.edu

> www.voicesforvaccines.org

>

> HOTLINES

> CDC immmunization hotline 1-800-232-2522

>

> Books:

>

> vaccines: what every parent should know- by paul offit and louis

> bell

> 2007

>

> Do vaccines cause that?! by martin myers, md, and diego pineda,

> mn

> 2008

>

> all feedback is appreciated!

> ~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Right on

Jim

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:56:54 PM

Subject: Re: INFO DR. GAVE ME at well-check (pro-vax stuff)

This guy is an Offit worshiper. Run from him.

The very fact that he can give you info pointing out the strength of the immune

system and at the same time insist on vaccines to do the immune system's work

shows his idiocy. And the sources he gave you are so, so biased. It doesn't get

any worse than this kind of ped.

Seriously, you need to find another doc. Now.

Winnie

INFO DR. GAVE ME at well-check (pro-vax stuff)

Vaccinations

> here's all the " info " he gave me to look into.

>

> Iwould like some feed back on this..put it into light for me.

> make it

> make sense for me from the " non-vax " point of view.

> thanks!

>

> I don't know much about the body or how it works but

> here's the info the dr. gave me:

> FYI, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PRINTED PAPER THEY HAND OUT AT THE OFFICE

> TO

> ANYONE QUESTIONING VACCINES!

>

> " An infant's immune system is too weak for vaccines'??

> (what paper says to do/say)

>

> *Take a moment early on and briefly descibe the power of the

> human

> immune system

> *The immune system has the capacity to respond to extremely

> large

> numbers of antigens; possibly 10 thousand or more

> * 2 billion CD4 T lymphocytes can be replenished daily

> *T and B lymphocytes are abundant in a " lock and key " ability to

> deal

> with antigens individually; therefore no " immune system overload "

>

> ** The Ocean Analogy**

> When an infant is in the mother's womb, they're in a sterile

> environment. When they enter the birth canal and are born,

> they're no

> longer in a sterile environment. Bacteria quickly begin to live

> on

> the baby's skin, their nose, their throat. The average person

> has

> trillions of bcteria living on the surface of their body. We are

> able

> to make an immune response to these bacteria. If we didn't, they

> would invade the bloodstream and cause death. Each bacterium has

> 2,000-6,000 proteins that our immune system is able to handle.

> If you

> consider all 14 vaccines given to children, it's probably 150

> immunological components or proteins. That's literally just a

> drop in

> the ocean.

> -Dr A. Offit, Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia

> Division Chief, Infection Disese Section

>

>

> Vaccine communication resources

> *provide current resources for timely information

> *websites

> www.immunizationinf or.org (NNii)

> www.dovaccinescause that.com

> www.immunize. org (immunization action coalition)

> www.cdc.gov/ vaccinesafety

> www.fda.gove/ cber/safety

> www.ecbt.org

> www.vaccinateyourba by.org

> www.vaccine. chop.edu

> www.voicesforvaccin es.org

>

> HOTLINES

> CDC immmunization hotline 1-800-232-2522

>

> Books:

>

> vaccines: what every parent should know- by paul offit and louis

> bell

> 2007

>

> Do vaccines cause that?! by martin myers, md, and diego pineda,

> mn

> 2008

>

> all feedback is appreciated!

> ~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Every  body is a boarding house of microbes. Even those who believe in the germ

theory , hold that there are just a few of the bad guys. And when you question

them closely and ask how come their sick and I am not, they will be quick to

tell you that your immune system is up, thus admitting that germs would be a

secondary rather than a primary cause. As Winnie says, the guy is an idiot.

I learned a long time ago if anyone uses terms they know you can't understand,

the subject matter needs to be investigated.

The lock and key is not only a theory, and there is no proof, its silly.

And we could not live without bacteria.

As to his statement we would die without going after the bacteria, that's just

Dr. enstein stupidly.

The best sense you can have is the inner sense you were given at birth. The kind

of instinct that when a turtle hatches out of the egg, it knows instinctively to

head for the water. Than do your investigating.

jim

 

________________________________

From: Nada <mnmuslimahsgroup@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:44:49 PM

Subject: INFO DR. GAVE ME at well-check (pro-vax stuff)

here's all the " info " he gave me to look into.

Iwould like some feed back on this..put it into light for me. make it

make sense for me from the " non-vax " point of view.

thanks!

I don't know much about the body or how it works but

here's the info the dr. gave me:

FYI, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PRINTED PAPER THEY HAND OUT AT THE OFFICE TO

ANYONE QUESTIONING VACCINES!

" An infant's immune system is too weak for vaccines'??

(what paper says to do/say)

*Take a moment early on and briefly descibe the power of the human

immune system

*The immune system has the capacity to respond to extremely large

numbers of antigens; possibly 10 thousand or more

* 2 billion CD4 T lymphocytes can be replenished daily

*T and B lymphocytes are abundant in a " lock and key " ability to deal

with antigens individually; therefore no " immune system overload "

** The Ocean Analogy**

When an infant is in the mother's womb, they're in a sterile

environment. When they enter the birth canal and are born, they're no

longer in a sterile environment. Bacteria quickly begin to live on

the baby's skin, their nose, their throat. The average person has

trillions of bcteria living on the surface of their body. We are able

to make an immune response to these bacteria. If we didn't, they

would invade the bloodstream and cause death. Each bacterium has

2,000-6,000 proteins that our immune system is able to handle. If you

consider all 14 vaccines given to children, it's probably 150

immunological components or proteins. That's literally just a drop in

the ocean.

-Dr A. Offit, Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia

Division Chief, Infection Disese Section

Vaccine communication resources

*provide current resources for timely information

*websites

www.immunizationinf or.org (NNii)

www.dovaccinescause that.com

www.immunize. org (immunization action coalition)

www.cdc.gov/ vaccinesafety

www.fda.gove/ cber/safety

www.ecbt.org

www.vaccinateyourba by.org

www.vaccine. chop.edu

www.voicesforvaccin es.org

HOTLINES

CDC immmunization hotline 1-800-232-2522

Books:

vaccines: what every parent should know- by paul offit and louis bell

2007

Do vaccines cause that?! by martin myers, md, and diego pineda, mn

2008

all feedback is appreciated!

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Winnie and Jim are right, don't walk... RUN from this doctor. Anyone that

quotes Mr. PrOffit as gospel truth is grossly uninformed and likely

incredibly close-minded. Offit is hardly the vaccine guru, although he

touts himself as such, having written many books on the subject. He's also

the same guy that stated that his previous quote that an infant could

receive 10,000 vaccines and be safe was actually a misstatement and he

SHOULD have said they could receive 100,000 and still be safe.

http://autism.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/04/dr-paul-offit-responds/

Okay, if that's so... first let's ask Mr. Offit (I REFUSE to call him a

doctor, I don't care what degree he holds) to take 10,000 injections of just

NORMAL SALINE. Then if he's still alive, then let's see if he'd be willing

to take 10,000 injections of his precious vaccines (THAT HE HELPS DEVELOP

AND HAS HUGE FINANCIAL TIES TO) - heck, let's make 'em combos... five

vaccines per dose. That'd lower his actual injection intake to 2000... just

to make the experiment quicker and cause him less pain from the needles <eye

roll>, THEN, if he's STILL alive ask him to adjust the vaccine injections

to HIS body weight (they don't adjust dosage based on an infant or child's

weight... a 25 year old 200 lb man will receive the same dose of vaccine as

a baby) and give him those same 2,000 doses of 100,000 vaccines. Of course,

he wouldn't be doing so well even after 10,000 saline injections because the

body wouldn't be able to maintain homeostasis, so the rest would be moot.

A question for you to ponder:

If vaccines are SO safe, why is it that the pharmaceutical companies that

manufacture vaccines, or the doctors that administer those vaccines, are not

held legally accountable for the harm their products do to our children?

Law was passed in 1986 that took away that liability. After 1986 vaccines

started being developed and added to the CDC's schedule at breakneck speed.

Why would it have even been necessary to pass such a law if they were truly

that safe and adverse reactions that rare? See a timeline here:

http://www.nvic.org/myths.htm

I would tell you to ask your doctor that same question, but that would be a

waste of time.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Nada <mnmuslimahsgroup@...> wrote:

>

> here's all the " info " he gave me to look into.

>

> Iwould like some feed back on this..put it into light for me. make it

> make sense for me from the " non-vax " point of view.

> thanks!

>

> I don't know much about the body or how it works but

> here's the info the dr. gave me:

> FYI, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PRINTED PAPER THEY HAND OUT AT THE OFFICE TO

> ANYONE QUESTIONING VACCINES!

>

> " An infant's immune system is too weak for vaccines'??

> (what paper says to do/say)

>

> *Take a moment early on and briefly descibe the power of the human

> immune system

> *The immune system has the capacity to respond to extremely large

> numbers of antigens; possibly 10 thousand or more

> * 2 billion CD4 T lymphocytes can be replenished daily

> *T and B lymphocytes are abundant in a " lock and key " ability to deal

> with antigens individually; therefore no " immune system overload "

>

> ** The Ocean Analogy**

> When an infant is in the mother's womb, they're in a sterile

> environment. When they enter the birth canal and are born, they're no

> longer in a sterile environment. Bacteria quickly begin to live on

> the baby's skin, their nose, their throat. The average person has

> trillions of bcteria living on the surface of their body. We are able

> to make an immune response to these bacteria. If we didn't, they

> would invade the bloodstream and cause death. Each bacterium has

> 2,000-6,000 proteins that our immune system is able to handle. If you

> consider all 14 vaccines given to children, it's probably 150

> immunological components or proteins. That's literally just a drop in

> the ocean.

> -Dr A. Offit, Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia

> Division Chief, Infection Disese Section

[Guest guest]

I fully agree with everyone on Offit - look up vaccine zealot in the

dictionary, and you will see his picture. (and I am not positive, but

I am pretty sure he has " 666 " tatooed on his scalp, but I don't have

confirmation on that yet.)

He also is a vaccine developer, and makes ten's of millions of

dollars at this profession, so that helps fuel his enthusiasm for

them.

But he never mentions adjuvants does he? Like aluminum is in vaccines

to stimulate, or anger the immune system to notice the vaccine

antigens. So he will often say there are less antigens in vaccines

than before, but doesn't mention there are more adjuvants such as

aluminum to stimulate (harm) the immune system.

When someone can justify injecting toxins in infants, you know there

is a problem with their reasoning capabilities.

Sylvia

>

> Every  body is a boarding house of microbes. Even those who believe

in the germ theory , hold that there are just a few of the bad guys.

And when you question them closely and ask how come their sick and I

am not, they will be quick to tell you that your immune system is up,

thus admitting that germs would be a secondary rather than a primary

cause. As Winnie says, the guy is an idiot.

> I learned a long time ago if anyone uses terms they know you can't

understand, the subject matter needs to be investigated.

> The lock and key is not only a theory, and there is no proof, its

silly.

> And we could not live without bacteria.

> As to his statement we would die without going after the bacteria,

that's just Dr. enstein stupidly.

> The best sense you can have is the inner sense you were given at

birth. The kind of instinct that when a turtle hatches out of the

egg, it knows instinctively to head for the water. Than do your

investigating.

>

> jim

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Nada <mnmuslimahsgroup@...>

> Vaccinations

> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:44:49 PM

> Subject: INFO DR. GAVE ME at well-check (pro-vax

stuff)

>

>

> here's all the " info " he gave me to look into.

>

> Iwould like some feed back on this..put it into light for me. make

it

> make sense for me from the " non-vax " point of view.

> thanks!

>

> I don't know much about the body or how it works but

> here's the info the dr. gave me:

> FYI, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PRINTED PAPER THEY HAND OUT AT THE OFFICE TO

> ANYONE QUESTIONING VACCINES!

>

> " An infant's immune system is too weak for vaccines'??

> (what paper says to do/say)

>

> *Take a moment early on and briefly descibe the power of the human

> immune system

> *The immune system has the capacity to respond to extremely large

> numbers of antigens; possibly 10 thousand or more

> * 2 billion CD4 T lymphocytes can be replenished daily

> *T and B lymphocytes are abundant in a " lock and key " ability to

deal

> with antigens individually; therefore no " immune system overload "

>

> ** The Ocean Analogy**

> When an infant is in the mother's womb, they're in a sterile

> environment. When they enter the birth canal and are born, they're

no

> longer in a sterile environment. Bacteria quickly begin to live on

> the baby's skin, their nose, their throat. The average person has

> trillions of bcteria living on the surface of their body. We are

able

> to make an immune response to these bacteria. If we didn't, they

> would invade the bloodstream and cause death. Each bacterium has

> 2,000-6,000 proteins that our immune system is able to handle. If

you

> consider all 14 vaccines given to children, it's probably 150

> immunological components or proteins. That's literally just a drop

in

> the ocean.

> -Dr A. Offit, Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia

> Division Chief, Infection Disese Section

>

> Vaccine communication resources

> *provide current resources for timely information

> *websites

> www.immunizationinf or.org (NNii)

> www.dovaccinescause that.com

> www.immunize. org (immunization action coalition)

> www.cdc.gov/ vaccinesafety

> www.fda.gove/ cber/safety

> www.ecbt.org

> www.vaccinateyourba by.org

> www.vaccine. chop.edu

> www.voicesforvaccin es.org

>

> HOTLINES

> CDC immmunization hotline 1-800-232-2522

>

> Books:

>

> vaccines: what every parent should know- by paul offit and louis

bell

> 2007

>

> Do vaccines cause that?! by martin myers, md, and diego pineda, mn

> 2008

>

> all feedback is appreciated!

> ~

>

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[Guest guest]

, I would question where this information came from. From a

nursing perspective, it seems a little fishy that this information

blatantly says " *The immune system has the capacity to respond to

extremely large numbers of antigens; possibly 10 thousand or more 2

billion CD4 T lymphocytes can be replenished daily T and B

lymphocytes are abundant in a " lock and key " ability to deal with

antigens individually; therefore no " immune system overload " . It's

too big of a blanket statement to say this applies to everyone

because it doesn't. The truth is, not everyone's immune system's

respond the same way at the same speed and to say that it does is

completely misleading. One of the big differences that no one

mentions is how those bacteria/virus' are introduced. In vaccines,

it's very unnatural because it's injected and the complete immune

cascade response is not activated and therefore I don't think it

completely shuts off either (resulting in autoimmune disease). I call

bullshit. And like someone else mentioned, there's no mention of the

aluminum, formaldehyde, mercury, other additives, preservatives, and

of course unknown bacteria and virus' from being grown in foreign

DNA. It's not just about any said " overloading " of the immune system.

It's about all the other crap as well and the fact that adverse

reactions have been ignored since vaccines were introduced to make

vaccines look like they cause no harm. It's about the AMA and the AAP

not doing what they are sworn to do it and that's cause no harm.

I would bet this doctor will not change his mind and if you do

continue to see him for care, he will continuelly, I wouldn't say

harrass, but bring the subject up and how you are wrong and you

should do what's good for the greater good (which is not necessarily

OUR greater good). If you do continue to see him then I would arm

yourself with tons of information including statistics, independent

data, everything you can to be able to defend your position.

Good luck, doris

>

[Guest guest]

I love it that MR. Offit made the outrageous 10,000 vaccine claim because it

discredits everything else he says.

Winnie

Re: INFO DR. GAVE ME at well-check (pro-vax stuff)

Vaccinations

> Winnie and Jim are right, don't walk... RUN from this doctor.

> Anyone that

> quotes Mr. PrOffit as gospel truth is grossly uninformed and likely

> incredibly close-minded. Offit is hardly the vaccine guru,

> although he

> touts himself as such, having written many books on the subject.

> He's also

> the same guy that stated that his previous quote that an infant could

> receive 10,000 vaccines and be safe was actually a misstatement

> and he

> SHOULD have said they could receive 100,000 and still be safe.

> http://autism.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/04/dr-paul-offit-responds/

>

> Okay, if that's so... first let's ask Mr. Offit (I REFUSE to

> call him a

> doctor, I don't care what degree he holds) to take 10,000

> injections of just

> NORMAL SALINE. Then if he's still alive, then let's see if he'd

> be willing

> to take 10,000 injections of his precious vaccines (THAT HE

> HELPS DEVELOP

> AND HAS HUGE FINANCIAL TIES TO) - heck, let's make 'em combos... five

> vaccines per dose. That'd lower his actual injection intake to

> 2000... just

> to make the experiment quicker and cause him less pain from the

> needles > roll>, THEN, if he's STILL alive ask him to adjust the vaccine

> injectionsto HIS body weight (they don't adjust dosage based on

> an infant or child's

> weight... a 25 year old 200 lb man will receive the same dose of

> vaccine as

> a baby) and give him those same 2,000 doses of 100,000 vaccines.

> Of course,

> he wouldn't be doing so well even after 10,000 saline injections

> because the

> body wouldn't be able to maintain homeostasis, so the rest would

> be moot.

>

> A question for you to ponder:

> If vaccines are SO safe, why is it that the pharmaceutical

> companies that

> manufacture vaccines, or the doctors that administer those

> vaccines, are not

> held legally accountable for the harm their products do to our

> children?Law was passed in 1986 that took away that liability.

> After 1986 vaccines

> started being developed and added to the CDC's schedule at

> breakneck speed.

> Why would it have even been necessary to pass such a law if they

> were truly

> that safe and adverse reactions that rare? See a timeline here:

> http://www.nvic.org/myths.htm

>

> I would tell you to ask your doctor that same question, but that

> would be a

> waste of time.

>

>

>

> On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Nada

> wrote:

> >

> > here's all the " info " he gave me to look into.

> >

> > Iwould like some feed back on this..put it into light for me.

> make it

> > make sense for me from the " non-vax " point of view.

> > thanks!

> >

> > I don't know much about the body or how it works but

> > here's the info the dr. gave me:

> > FYI, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PRINTED PAPER THEY HAND OUT AT THE

> OFFICE TO

> > ANYONE QUESTIONING VACCINES!

> >

> > " An infant's immune system is too weak for vaccines'??

> > (what paper says to do/say)

> >

> > *Take a moment early on and briefly descibe the power of the human

> > immune system

> > *The immune system has the capacity to respond to extremely large

> > numbers of antigens; possibly 10 thousand or more

> > * 2 billion CD4 T lymphocytes can be replenished daily

> > *T and B lymphocytes are abundant in a " lock and key " ability

> to deal

> > with antigens individually; therefore no " immune system overload "

> >

> > ** The Ocean Analogy**

> > When an infant is in the mother's womb, they're in a sterile

> > environment. When they enter the birth canal and are born,

> they're no

> > longer in a sterile environment. Bacteria quickly begin to

> live on

> > the baby's skin, their nose, their throat. The average person has

> > trillions of bcteria living on the surface of their body. We

> are able

> > to make an immune response to these bacteria. If we didn't, they

> > would invade the bloodstream and cause death. Each bacterium has

> > 2,000-6,000 proteins that our immune system is able to handle.

> If you

> > consider all 14 vaccines given to children, it's probably 150

> > immunological components or proteins. That's literally just a

> drop in

> > the ocean.

> > -Dr A. Offit, Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia

> > Division Chief, Infection Disese Section

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd LOVE to see them line up 10,000 syringes of vaccines and have him

pull up a chair and take them.

I wonder what 10,000 syringes would look like and how long it would

take to even administer that many shots...I'd like an interview with

him 24 hours afterward, a week afterward and then maybe one more a

month or two later.

>

> I love it that MR. Offit made the outrageous 10,000 vaccine claim

because it discredits everything else he says.