Re: OT: Toddler Cold - Now Sinus Infection? Need Help...

December 23, 2008

Caroline,

We have had excellent results with garlic and vitamin C.. It took longer to

go away initially, but there were no rebound infections. The silver is

useful also.

Kim

(Mom of 7)

In a message dated 12/23/2008 11:02:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,

carolinehesse@... writes:

Is there ANY chance of getting a sinus infections go away its own??

I read that you can be on antibiotics for weeks and you are lucky if

they get the right one that works. I AM SICK just thinking about her

being on more meds.

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December 23, 2008

i hear the desperation in your post. but why take her back when you know they

will only do what they know how to do... prescribe more drugs?? you will walk

out of there with a new prescription... and end up with the same results. your

daughter will be better served if you visited your local health store.

Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103)

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

________________________________

From: Caroline Hesse <carolinehesse@...>

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Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02:10 PM

Subject: OT: Toddler Cold - Now Sinus Infection? Need Help...

I can't believe I'm writing about this again, but my 2 1/2 year old is

the one who got sick on Thanksgiving. Long story short, I took her to

the ped who said it was in her chest and she needed antibiotics

because it could turn into pneumonia. I caved, and gave her 10 days

of Amoxicillin, that ended last Thursday.

Now her nose is still stuffy, but instead of being clear and loose

(easy to blow out) it is now yellow and thick and I have to pull it

out with a bulb (when she blows nothing comes out).

She sleeps fine, but breathes through her nose loudly. When she wakes

in the morning, she has to cough a bunch of stuff up and then she

coughs only a few times during the day.

I am taking her back to the doctor today since the holidays are coming

up and I don't want this getting worse. I know they are going to

prescribe another round of some different antibiotic probably because

she has a sinus infection. I did tell them on the phone that I want

them to do a culture so they can make a more informed choice of Rx.

Is there ANY chance of getting a sinus infections go away its own??

I read that you can be on antibiotics for weeks and you are lucky if

they get the right one that works. I AM SICK just thinking about her

being on more meds.

I am trying colloidal silver in her nose and I am, of course, doing

nasal washes, saline, hot showers twice a day. PLEASE HELP!!

Happy Holidays,

Caroline

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masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its

speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden

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December 23, 2008

Hi, Caroline. First, it sounds to be as if it's clearing out. This is good.

FYI--Something I was told by a ped is that children under age 4 don't even have

the sinuses formed to get sinus infections. I don't know if this is true because

now I doubt everything they've ever told me, but if it is, then there is no

" sinus infection " anyway, just congestion.

Don't get stuck in the antibiotic/infection cycle. The antibiotics weaken the

immune system and more illnesses result. Plus, if there was no infection but

just allergies or something (dust, pet hair...) clogging her up, the antibiotics

only make it appear the " infection " is gone. Then it comes back.

I have never met a ped who cultures for ear or chest infections. They make a

guess at what it usually is and prescribe the antibiotic " known " for that type

of infection. Therefore, if you have a urinary tract infection, they will give

you Levaquin. If you have a chest infection, they will give you Biaxin or

Zithromax. It doesn't matter to them what the actual bug is, just the location.

So, good luck getting them to culture it for you, or getting the results soon

enough to make a difference.

I would not let the time of year dictate whether she should get antibiotics. If

you're sick about her getting meds, then you it would be helpful to get a

naturopath who can help you through this. But it doesn't sound serious at all,

just a cold.

Winnie

OT: Toddler Cold - Now Sinus Infection? Need Help...

Vaccinations

> I can't believe I'm writing about this again, but my 2 1/2 year

> old is

> the one who got sick on Thanksgiving. Long story short, I took

> her to

> the ped who said it was in her chest and she needed antibiotics

> because it could turn into pneumonia. I caved, and gave her 10 days

> of Amoxicillin, that ended last Thursday.

>

> Now her nose is still stuffy, but instead of being clear and loose

> (easy to blow out) it is now yellow and thick and I have to pull it

> out with a bulb (when she blows nothing comes out).

>

> She sleeps fine, but breathes through her nose loudly. When she wakes

> in the morning, she has to cough a bunch of stuff up and then she

> coughs only a few times during the day.

>

> I am taking her back to the doctor today since the holidays are coming

> up and I don't want this getting worse. I know they are going to

> prescribe another round of some different antibiotic probably because

> she has a sinus infection. I did tell them on the phone that I want

> them to do a culture so they can make a more informed choice of

> Rx.

>

> Is there ANY chance of getting a sinus infections go away its

> own??

> I read that you can be on antibiotics for weeks and you are

> lucky if

> they get the right one that works. I AM SICK just thinking

> about her

> being on more meds.

>

> I am trying colloidal silver in her nose and I am, of course, doing

> nasal washes, saline, hot showers twice a day. PLEASE HELP!!

>

> Happy Holidays,

> Caroline

>

December 23, 2008

Desperation is it. I'm with you here, I guess I just want to get her

chest listened to and her sinuses looked at, for my own piece of mind

and my husband's. I know they will give me an Rx. But I feel like

I've done everything else and it has still been a month. I've done

probiotics, garlic, colloidal silver, cod liver oil, Vitamin C, etc.

and it is still hanging on.

Does anyone know how to dose Vitamin C to bowel tolerance in a

toddler? She is 35 lbs and I only have buffered ascorbic acid in

1000mg pills. I can't find sodium ascorbate anywhere.

Thanks again,

Caroline

---

In Vaccinations , Arianna Mojica <ariannalaw68@...> wrote:

>

> i hear the desperation in your post. but why take her back when you

know they will only do what they know how to do... prescribe more

drugs?? you will walk out of there with a new prescription... and end

up with the same results. your daughter will be better served if

you visited your local health store.

>

> Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103)

> ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

>

> ________________________________

> From: Caroline Hesse <carolinehesse@...>

> Vaccinations

> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02:10 PM

> Subject: OT: Toddler Cold - Now Sinus Infection? Need

Help...

>

> I can't believe I'm writing about this again, but my 2 1/2 year old is

> the one who got sick on Thanksgiving. Long story short, I took her to

> the ped who said it was in her chest and she needed antibiotics

> because it could turn into pneumonia. I caved, and gave her 10 days

> of Amoxicillin, that ended last Thursday.

>

> Now her nose is still stuffy, but instead of being clear and loose

> (easy to blow out) it is now yellow and thick and I have to pull it

> out with a bulb (when she blows nothing comes out).

>

> She sleeps fine, but breathes through her nose loudly. When she wakes

> in the morning, she has to cough a bunch of stuff up and then she

> coughs only a few times during the day.

>

> I am taking her back to the doctor today since the holidays are coming

> up and I don't want this getting worse. I know they are going to

> prescribe another round of some different antibiotic probably because

> she has a sinus infection. I did tell them on the phone that I want

> them to do a culture so they can make a more informed choice of Rx.

>

> Is there ANY chance of getting a sinus infections go away its own??

> I read that you can be on antibiotics for weeks and you are lucky if

> they get the right one that works. I AM SICK just thinking about her

> being on more meds.

>

> I am trying colloidal silver in her nose and I am, of course, doing

> nasal washes, saline, hot showers twice a day. PLEASE HELP!!

>

> Happy Holidays,

> Caroline

>

> ~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr.

A. , National Institutes of Health

> ~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how

deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has

been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will

seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden

> www.vaclib.org

> www.909shot.com

> http://www.vacinfo.org/

>

http://www.moorbows.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://www.vran.or\

g/

>

December 23, 2008

my local health store carries the " hylands " vitamin c for children in sodium

ascorbate... i have not been able to find it in adult dosage. you may be able

to get them online... although that may not help you much immediately.

Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103)

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

________________________________

From: Caroline Hesse <carolinehesse@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:28:39 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Toddler Cold - Now Sinus Infection? Need Help...

Desperation is it. I'm with you here, I guess I just want to get her

chest listened to and her sinuses looked at, for my own piece of mind

and my husband's. I know they will give me an Rx. But I feel like

I've done everything else and it has still been a month. I've done

probiotics, garlic, colloidal silver, cod liver oil, Vitamin C, etc.

and it is still hanging on.

Does anyone know how to dose Vitamin C to bowel tolerance in a

toddler? She is 35 lbs and I only have buffered ascorbic acid in

1000mg pills. I can't find sodium ascorbate anywhere.

Thanks again,

Caroline

---

In Vaccinations, Arianna Mojica <ariannalaw68@ ...> wrote:

>

> i hear the desperation in your post. but why take her back when you

know they will only do what they know how to do... prescribe more

drugs?? you will walk out of there with a new prescription. .. and end

up with the same results. your daughter will be better served if

you visited your local health store.

>

> Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103)

> ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Caroline Hesse <carolinehesse@ ...>

> Vaccinations

> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02:10 PM

> Subject: OT: Toddler Cold - Now Sinus Infection? Need

Help...

>

> I can't believe I'm writing about this again, but my 2 1/2 year old is

> the one who got sick on Thanksgiving. Long story short, I took her to

> the ped who said it was in her chest and she needed antibiotics

> because it could turn into pneumonia. I caved, and gave her 10 days

> of Amoxicillin, that ended last Thursday.

>

> Now her nose is still stuffy, but instead of being clear and loose

> (easy to blow out) it is now yellow and thick and I have to pull it

> out with a bulb (when she blows nothing comes out).

>

> She sleeps fine, but breathes through her nose loudly. When she wakes

> in the morning, she has to cough a bunch of stuff up and then she

> coughs only a few times during the day.

>

> I am taking her back to the doctor today since the holidays are coming

> up and I don't want this getting worse. I know they are going to

> prescribe another round of some different antibiotic probably because

> she has a sinus infection. I did tell them on the phone that I want

> them to do a culture so they can make a more informed choice of Rx.

>

> Is there ANY chance of getting a sinus infections go away its own??

> I read that you can be on antibiotics for weeks and you are lucky if

> they get the right one that works. I AM SICK just thinking about her

> being on more meds.

>

> I am trying colloidal silver in her nose and I am, of course, doing

> nasal washes, saline, hot showers twice a day. PLEASE HELP!!

>

> Happy Holidays,

> Caroline

>

> ~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr.

A. , National Institutes of Health

> ~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how

deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has

been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will

seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden

> www.vaclib.org

> www.909shot. com

> http://www.vacinfo. org/

>

http://www.moorbows .com/http: //www.momtoanang el.net/ingred. htmhttp:/

/www.vran. org/

>

December 23, 2008

I'm all for getting piece of mind. You should follow your instincts on that and

do what's comfortable for you. How about get her looked at, take the

prescription to have on hand and only fill it if you feel the need? I just did

that last week, and even got it filled but never used it. If her chest is clear,

I would keep doing what you're doing and let it runs its course.

You know, this could be taking a month because the antibiotics slowed things

down. I know that sinking feeling, though, that things are taking a turn for the

worse. I usually panic when it goes into the chest.

But I don't think the goop coming out of her is a negative. The alternative is

for it to stay in her. THAT is when you run into problems. The discharge is

really only clear at the beginning or with allergies. Yellow or green is the

dead cells clearing out, at least that's how it was explained to me.

Vit. C--how does she take it? Do you put it in applesauce? I always more about

getting it into them than how much they were getting but 1000 mg. does sound a

bit much. I'd give half that then play it by ear. If you can get the quercetin,

it has Vit. c in it, and will have that goop cleared out in no time.

Good luck!

Winnie

OT: Toddler Cold - Now Sinus

> Infection? Need

> Help...

> >

> > I can't believe I'm writing about this again, but my 2 1/2

> year old is

> > the one who got sick on Thanksgiving. Long story short, I took

> her to

> > the ped who said it was in her chest and she needed antibiotics

> > because it could turn into pneumonia. I caved, and gave her 10 days

> > of Amoxicillin, that ended last Thursday.

> >

> > Now her nose is still stuffy, but instead of being clear and loose

> > (easy to blow out) it is now yellow and thick and I have to

> pull it

> > out with a bulb (when she blows nothing comes out).

> >

> > She sleeps fine, but breathes through her nose loudly. When

> she wakes

> > in the morning, she has to cough a bunch of stuff up and then she

> > coughs only a few times during the day.

> >

> > I am taking her back to the doctor today since the holidays

> are coming

> > up and I don't want this getting worse. I know they are going to

> > prescribe another round of some different antibiotic probably

> because> she has a sinus infection. I did tell them on the phone

> that I want

> > them to do a culture so they can make a more informed choice

> of Rx.

> >

> > Is there ANY chance of getting a sinus infections go away its

> own??

> > I read that you can be on antibiotics for weeks and you are

> lucky if

> > they get the right one that works. I AM SICK just thinking

> about her

> > being on more meds.

> >

> > I am trying colloidal silver in her nose and I am, of course, doing

> > nasal washes, saline, hot showers twice a day. PLEASE HELP!!

> >

> > Happy Holidays,

> > Caroline

> >

> > ~~~ " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr.

> A. , National Institutes of Health

> > ~~~A truth¢s initial commotion is directly proportional to how

> deeply the lie was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has

> been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will

> seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden

>

> > www.vaclib.org

> > www.909shot.com

> > http://www.vacinfo.org/

> >

>

http://www.moorbows.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://www.vran.or\

g/

> >

December 23, 2008

Winnie- I was always under the impression as long as it was clear, it

was 'clean', it's when it's yellow or green that there's 'bugs' in it??

B/c my son doesn't have allergies, but when he gets an occasional

cold, etc, i always strive to keep it clear- making him blow his nose

a lot, more so if it starts turning yellow/green (which it does in me

& my son if we don't blow regularly- ie. overnight, or me, i tend to

sniffle it instead of blowing lol).

I'm not sure where I read it, I'm pretty sure it was in one of my

natural/holistic remedy books- but it says to use saline nasal spray

if it's very thick, but the goal is to keep it thin & clear.

But back to the thread's topic- my son just had a sinus infection um,

3wks ago, it took about a week before ALL snot disappeared, but the

last 4 days it was minimal & didn't have any other symptoms.

Anyway- he woke up w/ it, screaming that his head & nose hurt, so as I

checked his nose (b/c he tends to occasionally stick things up

there...) I touched his cheeks & he screamed again- found out his

sinuses in his face were very sore. So I mixed up a packet of

Emergen-C w/ some Echinacea 4 times the first day. The snot went from

really bad thick green to clear the first day. Then the next 2 days I

did 3x of the Emergen-C & Echinacea. He was great on day 4 & after.

It only turned green over the first 2 nights, but was clear after he

blew it a few times.

I've found if we take a big dose of Emergen-C for the first day we

have any symptoms, they either go away by the next day, or it's VERY

minimal. We traveled to mom's one time when I'd forgotten my " cold

bag " & by the time we got there I started feeling like I was

developing a sinus infection. Wasn't able to get more Emergen-C for 2

days & by that time it'd set in ROYALLY & I, then CJ, was MISERABLE

the rest of the visit lol.

I swear by that stuff lol.

~marcia~

>

> I'm all for getting piece of mind. You should follow your instincts

on that and do what's comfortable for you. How about get her looked

at, take the prescription to have on hand and only fill it if you feel

the need? I just did that last week, and even got it filled but never

used it. If her chest is clear, I would keep doing what you're doing

and let it runs its course.

>

> You know, this could be taking a month because the antibiotics

slowed things down. I know that sinking feeling, though, that things

are taking a turn for the worse. I usually panic when it goes into the

chest.

>

> But I don't think the goop coming out of her is a negative. The

alternative is for it to stay in her. THAT is when you run into

problems. The discharge is really only clear at the beginning or with

allergies. Yellow or green is the dead cells clearing out, at least

that's how it was explained to me.

>

> Vit. C--how does she take it? Do you put it in applesauce? I always

more about getting it into them than how much they were getting but

1000 mg. does sound a bit much. I'd give half that then play it by

ear. If you can get the quercetin, it has Vit. c in it, and will have

that goop cleared out in no time.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Winnie

December 23, 2008

No matter what they tell you the test shows, their only solution is more drugs.

Calm yourself. The body is eliminating cellular waste and the drugs that were

given.

All infections will go away if their not being fed or drugged. Try liquids only

and have faith in Mother Nature. If she was smart enough to give life, I think

she can handle a little toxemia. I would suggest buying a copy of the

Physicians desk reference. Its the doctors bible. It will tell you how many ways

the drug will destroy the immune system.

In fact if you are really going back to see Dr. enstein, (My name for the

Allopaths )take the book with you. He will love to answer intelligent questions.

Jim

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From: Arianna Mojica <ariannalaw68@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:12:05 AM