Re: What do you tell the Dr?

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Joanell,

Yes you are right Thannk you for reminding that we dont need to tell/explain

the Dr anything, just the school.

Sabina

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Winnie,

Very well said. That sounds like something I would say anyway. Thanks

Sabina

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They only time I ever had to take my kids to the doctor

was once they started doing sports in school. Then they

had to go for an overall physical.

The religious and medical exemptions are for the SCHOOL

not for the doctor. You don't need any exemption at all to

tell the doctor you aren't vaxxing.

We use the religious waiver for school here since there is

only that one and the medical one. You don't need to be

of a specific religion to use the religious one either, so if

you don't have the philosophical option, then just use the

religious one.

Joanell Estar :-)

Mommy to Laara (12 1/2), Alleson (9), Leigha (5),

and our angel in heaven, Steffany (7/31/06 - 8/11/06)

SabinaXXXI@... wrote:

>

> I guess it easy to just avoid these appointment but sooner or later a

> parent

> has to face their child's Dr. So what exactly do you all tell the Dr when

> asked about vaccinating? Since only religious or medical exemptions

> are possible.

>

> Sabina

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The exemptions are for school/daycare and have nothing to do with the doctors.

It's not really their business how you handle it with the schools.

For someone new to this, I would tell the docs you're not comfortable with

vaxing and have decided not to do them. Period.

For myself, not that it comes up any more, I am pretty blunt about it and tell

them I think vaccines are dangerous, that one of my sons had a reaction, that

I've done years of research and I know what I'm doing, thanks. When asked at

emergency rooms about vax status, I sneer and say " we don't do those, " as if

anyone who would consider it is nuts.

Winnie

What do you tell the Dr?

Vaccinations

> I guess it easy to just avoid these appointment but sooner or

> later a parent

> has to face their child's Dr. So what exactly do you all tell

> the Dr when

> asked about vaccinating? Since only religious or medical

> exemptions are possible.

>

> Sabina

>

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Re: What do you tell the Dr?

Vaccinations

>

> Winnie,

>

> Very well said. That sounds like something I would say anyway. Thanks

>

> Sabina

>

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At 05:01 PM 12/23/2008, you wrote:

>I guess it easy to just avoid these appointment but sooner or later a parent

>has to face their child's Dr. So what exactly do you all tell the Dr when

>asked about vaccinating? Since only religious or medical exemptions

>are possible.

>

>Sabina

Exemptions are something for the schools for school attendance

You just say you are not vaccinating - you may get kicked out of the practice

Some say they are delaying to avoid a hassle (but that doesn't always

prevent it)

You do not have to be vaccinated to be alive on this planet.

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

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[Guest guest]

I told our Dr. on our first visit after our daughter was born that we would not

be vaccinating, for religious reasons. She asked what religion and we said we're

not legally obligated to reveal that. Have yet to have a problem with it. I did

have to sign a waiver though, so if she does happen to die of some childhood

disease I won't sue them.

I've also felt that, or at least what has worked for us, is to take her to her

appointments as planned so she can see that she is healthy, developing properly,

and is very well cared for and loved. This way they have little opportunity to

make assumptions or develop a concern that she is being neglected in some way.

When you walk into the office with an air of confidence and strength, people can

usually see that you are not likely to be the kind of person to waiver from you

decisions and of course education, education, education!!!

That's how we handle the situation.

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 05:01

PM 12/23/2008, you wrote:

>I guess it easy to just avoid these appointment but sooner or later a parent

>has to face their child's Dr. So what exactly do you all tell the Dr when

>asked about vaccinating? Since only religious or medical exemptions

>are possible.

>

>Sabina

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[Guest guest]

At 03:58 PM 12/24/2008, you wrote:

>I told our Dr. on our first visit after our daughter was born that

>we would not be vaccinating, for religious reasons. She asked what

>religion and we said we're not legally obligated to reveal that.

>Have yet to have a problem with it. I did have to sign a waiver

>though, so if she does happen to die of some childhood disease I

>won't sue them.

Those waivers are not a good thing to sign - they ask you to

acknowledge you are risking your baby's life by not vaccinating.

From another list...................

Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by such a form.

The best way to avoid it, is avoid the allopaths

I always suggest a naturopath and/or chiropractor.

Here's the page that Dewey put up regarding that.

I have put a page up at:

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm

With two supporting forms at:

http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.doc

http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.pdf

Here's the contents of the page below...

Do Not Sign

AAP or other self-incriminating Vaccine Refusal forms

Basically, some doctors are giving patients who chose not to vaccine their

children a form to sign created by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

This form varies somewhat state to state but basically it is a total

propaganda sheet about the alleged value of vaccines, the alleged " risk "

of not

vaccinating and even worse the parent who signs the form is falsely

" admitting "

that they are putting their children at risk.

Lower on this page we have a letter from our director that explains more

about why self-incriminating forms are to be avoided.

When faced with a request to sign a form which removes liability from your

doctor, you have several options:

OPTIONS

* Change doctors to a holistic physician such as a naturopath,

homeopath or other medical provider who does not require you remove the

liability

from their shoulders in the event your child becomes sick.

* Write your own form.

* Use our form 'as is' or modify it to reflect your needs.

WARNING/

[Guest guest]

Hmm...that poses a predicament...I read the form before I signed it, however I

don't recall the exact wording. Can you point me in the direction of where I

can find resources to now protect myself and my baby from that huge mistake?

*Sigh*

Afghans By Rodin

www.afghansbyrodin.com

[Guest guest]

My family doctor knows I don't like vaccines and I don't like antibiotics

and I only do absolutely necessary tests. They're all very busy though so

escaping them is really easy and really, mainly, I call my homeopath for

most everything I can't handle at home.

With our other very provax regular ped, I never brought it up and they never

questioned me either, which amazed me b/c they did see david at 13 months

and said nothing about the fact they had only seen him at 1 month and

nothing in b/t!

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

They were too overwhelmed with their vaccine-injured patients to notice you

weren't in.

Winnie

RE: What do you tell the Dr?

Vaccinations

> My family doctor knows I don't like vaccines and I don't like

> antibioticsand I only do absolutely necessary tests. They're

> all very busy though so

> escaping them is really easy and really, mainly, I call my

> homeopath for

> most everything I can't handle at home.

>

>

>

> With our other very provax regular ped, I never brought it up

> and they never

> questioned me either, which amazed me b/c they did see david at

> 13 months

> and said nothing about the fact they had only seen him at 1

> month and

> nothing in b/t!

>

>

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11,

> 9,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not

> necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

>

>

> Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

>

>

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live

> long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

's office wasn't! when he was 6 months or so and had a bad cold -not

the pneumonia-I called for a RX decongestant and they came back on with

'we're looking at his file and it shows he's behind on his shots " .. and

while he's sick w/ this cold and can't breathe, they wanted to get him UTD..

I would not let that at all. then the nurse got on w/ " if she didn't see

peter in here for his shots in the next 2 weeks she'd call DHR " . I wrote a

letter w/ dh and we fired them, told them it was unprofessional to feel the

need to threaten clients and then I called the health dept' myself. The guy

was real laid back " oh yeah, sometimes parents wait and do all the shots

before the kids enter school " .. b/c I asked about delaying a while while his

immune system got stronger.

Anyway.. this office, our next ped, didn't even ?.. I admit, I was nervous

the whole time wondering if I was going to have a fight on my hands.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

They were too overwhelmed with their vaccine-injured patients to notice you

weren't in.

Winnie

[Guest guest]

You must be in Texas...

That is just nuts, and hysterical that you called DHS yourself. Way to pop their

little threat bubble!

Winnie

RE: RE: What do you tell the Dr?

Vaccinations

> 's office wasn't! when he was 6 months or so and had a bad

> cold -not

> the pneumonia-I called for a RX decongestant and they came back

> on with

> 'we're looking at his file and it shows he's behind on his

> shots " .. and

> while he's sick w/ this cold and can't breathe, they wanted to

> get him UTD..

> I would not let that at all. then the nurse got on w/ " if she

> didn't see

> peter in here for his shots in the next 2 weeks she'd call DHR " .

> I wrote a

> letter w/ dh and we fired them, told them it was unprofessional

> to feel the

> need to threaten clients and then I called the health dept'

> myself. The guy

> was real laid back " oh yeah, sometimes parents wait and do all

> the shots

> before the kids enter school " .. b/c I asked about delaying a

> while while his

> immune system got stronger.

>

>

>

> Anyway.. this office, our next ped, didn't even ?.. I admit, I

> was nervous

> the whole time wondering if I was going to have a fight on my hands.

>

>

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11,

> 9,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not

> necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

>

>

> Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

>

>

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live

> long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

>

> They were too overwhelmed with their vaccine-injured patients to

> notice you

> weren't in.

>

> Winnie

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lol.. nope. I'm in AL and have been since 93.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

You must be in Texas...

That is just nuts, and hysterical that you called DHS yourself. Way to pop

their little threat bubble!

Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release Date: 11/12/2008

7:01 PM

[Guest guest]

Hi Sabina,

When I used to take my now 4 year old to the ped, he never really asked

why we weren't vaxing. I started out by saying I was " delaying " until

he was 1. I repeated this at every visit. He eventually stopped asking,

the 1 year birthday came and went and he never asked again. It came up

sometime between year 1 and 2 and he simply put it in 's file that

he wasn't being vaxed. End of story. I use a religious exemption in the

preschool and they never ask, as long as they have a copy of my

notarized statement on file. At least here in GA they don't have the

right to ask what religion you belong to - and it's really none of

their business. It's not about belonging to an organized religion

(which I don't) but about having a deep conviction of what you're doing

is right.

Magda

[Guest guest]

My doctor asked me to bring him some literature about vaccines, I

think just so he could be assured that I was making an informed

decision. I printed off pages and pages of research, and after reading

them all, I think he is coming around to my side. He is very

respectful of our decision and now that we are adopting internationally

he has said that he will help us as much as he can to avoid having to

vaccinate those children.

, SD

[Guest guest]

That is AWESOME that you have a doc willing to help you avoid vaxing

an adopted baby... that would be my number one concern for adopting,

if I ever chose to. Also, the fact that he read ANY of the literature

you gave him speaks highly of him... docs like that are way too few

and far between. This is someone who is actually worthy of the

" Doctor " title, and doesn't believe they are God and know it all.

Refreshing, to say the least!

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 5:23 PM, jennameez <thompson@...> wrote:

> My doctor asked me to bring him some literature about vaccines, I

> think just so he could be assured that I was making an informed

> decision. I printed off pages and pages of research, and after reading

> them all, I think he is coming around to my side. He is very

> respectful of our decision and now that we are adopting internationally

> he has said that he will help us as much as he can to avoid having to

> vaccinate those children.

[Guest guest]

That's great, . Keep it up!

Winnie

Re: What do you tell the Dr?

Vaccinations

> My doctor asked me to bring him some literature about vaccines,

> I

> think just so he could be assured that I was making an informed

> decision. I printed off pages and pages of research, and after

> reading

> them all, I think he is coming around to my side. He is very

> respectful of our decision and now that we are adopting

> internationally

> he has said that he will help us as much as he can to avoid

> having to

> vaccinate those children.

>

> , SD

>

>