Re: (Feng Patient) & how this site works!

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. that is what happened with one of the ps I saw, Dr K. My insurance was willing to cover, and I paid no money towards explant. Whatsoever. She even lost money on the 6 and 1/2 surgery , as the ins in the end had a cap off amount, and she exceeded that amount. But she never then billed me for the remander, as others are known to do. Never came to me for a dime. She told me to expect losing money when it comes to insurance. They have alot of cap of, even if they cover. All I paid for the day before was the lift. And was refunded two days later, as the lift took half the time.

I had a problem with this up front no return deposit thing, and I work in insurance so I know a few things. I decided not to go with that, and went to a differnt PS. I am glad I did! My results were great, and I am incerdibly happy. It doesnt have to be a debate here. Sometimes the truths are ugly, and thats ok. Reveal them all.Bring them on ! Its "what outweights what", is what works for all of us. Its a good thing that we have talked about this. Its great that we have this site to become aware of all of our options, the skills of ps's, the insurance coverages, whats expected with some up front, the lift amounts, the character and borad knowlegde of them, the great jobs they do, some not so great-we have more choices, and I had the freedom and the power to at least in a terrible situation, that you feel helplesss in- make informed choices. My choice. To be stong in the whole thing. So kudos to this site for all it brings, big thanks PAtty for all you do! All the time and energy you have spent is well worth it all.Thank you and thank you lord for a place to be safe in and to be accepted! This site works, and it works well. It did for me!

>From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Feng Patient >Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) > >No, insurance companies are not here to help us, they're here to make money/profit--that is their fundamental principle. The only way out of this is national health care. Americans need to wake up to this fact and decide what is is they want.As long as "for profit" private health insurance pays, this is the way it will be.Insurance companies are not to blame, WE the voters are. > >Lynda <coss@...> wrote:I have found that most plastic surgeons help with insurance, take >insurance, and wait for payment from insurance. This is quite new to me >that someone does not. I would insist that they do the paperwork so you >can at least be reimbursed. After all, you are the customer, and they are >there to serve you. I just do not understand the attitude about >insurance. Should they all not be trying to help us in any way they can? > >Lynda > > >At 11:45 AM 5/28/2004, you wrote: > >I emailed Jeena from explantation.com to see what she did as far as > >her insurance with Dr Feng. I know that they don't do things exactly > >like allot of other ps's with regard to insurance, and I think they > >like to be paid cash up front and have you deal with the > >reimbursment, that is what one lady told me. Anyhow I will see what > >she says and get back to you. I still think that was what someone > >told me but I cannot remember. I know allot of other top notch PS's > >that work that way, and some that don't, so it really just depends I > >guess on how they operate with regard to insurance. I will let you > >know what I find out. > >hugs > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re. Dr. Feng's office - my insurance is willing to pay for the > >entire > > > procedure of explantation but Dr. Feng's office is not cooperating > >with them. And > > > they are a top insurance company!!! I was pleased to have to > >covered as I have > > > heard many do not. I understand her office is top of the line - > >and that's > > > great -- just need the help with insurance........ > > > > > > > > > >

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Hi :

I wasn't trying to inflame the situation by discussing the 1,5000 non refund thingy. I just don't agree with a no refund policy on surgery providing you give 24 hours+ notice. Dr. Feng is a good surgeon, that has been established, this was not meant to be disrespectful, just consumed education and to find out why this is the case.

I like my current PS but don't agree with his policy, actually it's not his policy, but the university at which he practices. This policy is that there's a surgeon's fee for going back in and revising something that was supposed to be done in the first surgery(in other words for his error or his not doing what he stated he was going to do). For instance, my first surgery was supposed to fix the asymmetry and remove the railroad track mark scars by excision(that was the pre-surgery goal that he told me could be done in ONE surgery), well, it did not go as planned so now I need more surgery. I would not mind just having to pay another OR fee and anesthesiology fee as this is understandable and customary, BUT, he charged me almost 2,000 for a surgeons fee too. I don't think it's right because he told me this could be achieved in one surgery, he didn't get it right so I don't think I should pay him another surgeon's fee for mastopexy round two.Most patients I know, their docs

don't charge a surgeon's fee to go back in and get it right, but he and other PS's at this university do--it's THEIR POLICY. I think it stinks.

Anyway, I brought this to his attention and he lowed the surgeons fee to 500.00. Yes, I'm happier about this but at the same time, I don't think paying another surgeons fee is right. But it's his policy. This does not in any way shape or form take away the fact I like him, it's just one of those things I don't think is right.

You can still admire and respect someone without agree with everything they do.Again, I was not trying to be disrespectful. I just respectfully disagreed.

LMJOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

. that is what happened with one of the ps I saw, Dr K. My insurance was willing to cover, and I paid no money towards explant. Whatsoever. She even lost money on the 6 and 1/2 surgery , as the ins in the end had a cap off amount, and she exceeded that amount. But she never then billed me for the remander, as others are known to do. Never came to me for a dime. She told me to expect losing money when it comes to insurance. They have alot of cap of, even if they cover. All I paid for the day before was the lift. And was refunded two days later, as the lift took half the time.

I had a problem with this up front no return deposit thing, and I work in insurance so I know a few things. I decided not to go with that, and went to a differnt PS. I am glad I did! My results were great, and I am incerdibly happy. It doesnt have to be a debate here. Sometimes the truths are ugly, and thats ok. Reveal them all.Bring them on ! Its "what outweights what", is what works for all of us. Its a good thing that we have talked about this. Its great that we have this site to become aware of all of our options, the skills of ps's, the insurance coverages, whats expected with some up front, the lift amounts, the character and borad knowlegde of them, the great jobs they do, some not so great-we have more choices, and I had the freedom and the power to at least in a terrible situation, that you feel helplesss in- make informed choices. My choice. To be stong in the whole thing. So kudos to this site for all it brings, big

thanks PAtty for all you do! All the time and energy you have spent is well worth it all.Thank you and thank you lord for a place to be safe in and to be accepted! This site works, and it works well. It did for me!

>From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Feng Patient >Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) > >No, insurance companies are not here to help us, they're here to make money/profit--that is their fundamental principle. The only way out of this is national health care. Americans need to wake up to this fact and decide what is is they want.As long as "for profit" private health insurance pays, this is the way it will be.Insurance companies are not to blame, WE the voters are. > >Lynda <coss@...> wrote:I have found that most plastic surgeons help with insurance, take >insurance, and wait for payment from insurance. This is quite new to me >that someone does not. I would insist that they do the paperwork so you >can at

least be reimbursed. After all, you are the customer, and they are >there to serve you. I just do not understand the attitude about >insurance. Should they all not be trying to help us in any way they can? > >Lynda > > >At 11:45 AM 5/28/2004, you wrote: > >I emailed Jeena from explantation.com to see what she did as far as > >her insurance with Dr Feng. I know that they don't do things exactly > >like allot of other ps's with regard to insurance, and I think they > >like to be paid cash up front and have you deal with the > >reimbursment, that is what one lady told me. Anyhow I will see what > >she says and get back to you. I still think that was what someone > >told me but I cannot remember. I know allot of other top notch PS's > >that work that way, and some that don't, so it really just depends I > >guess on how they operate with regard to insurance. I will let you > >know what I find out. >

>hugs > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re. Dr. Feng's office - my insurance is willing to pay for the > >entire > > > procedure of explantation but Dr. Feng's office is not cooperating > >with them. And > > > they are a top insurance company!!! I was pleased to have to > >covered as I have > > > heard many do not. I understand her office is top of the line - > >and that's > > > great -- just need the help with insurance........ > > > > > > > > > >

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LM, I dont disagree with you at all! Re read my post, I agree! I went to another ps who didnt want a 1500 up no refundable up front! No disrespect taken!~ Love

>From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: (Feng Patient) & how this site works! >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:13:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi : >I wasn't trying to inflame the situation by discussing the 1,5000 non refund thingy. I just don't agree with a no refund policy on surgery providing you give 24 hours+ notice. Dr. Feng is a good surgeon, that has been established, this was not meant to be disrespectful, just consumed education and to find out why this is the case. > >I like my current PS but don't agree with his policy, actually it's not his policy, but the university at which he practices. This policy is that there's a surgeon's fee for going back in and revising something that was supposed to be done in the first surgery(in other words for his error or his not doing what he stated he was going to do). For instance, my first surgery was supposed to fix the asymmetry and remove the railroad track mark scars by excision(that was the pre-surgery goal that he told me could be done in ONE surgery), well, it did not go as planned so now I need more surgery. I would not mind just having to pay another OR fee and anesthesiology fee as this is understandable and customary, BUT, he charged me almost 2,000 for a surgeons fee too. I don't think it's right because he told me this could be achieved in one surgery, he didn't get it right so I don't think I should pay him another surgeon's fee for mastopexy round two.Most patients I know, their docs don't > charge a surgeon's fee to go back in and get it right, but he and other PS's at this university do--it's THEIR POLICY. I think it stinks. > > Anyway, I brought this to his attention and he lowed the surgeons fee to 500.00. Yes, I'm happier about this but at the same time, I don't think paying another surgeons fee is right. But it's his policy. This does not in any way shape or form take away the fact I like him, it's just one of those things I don't think is right. > >You can still admire and respect someone without agree with everything they do.Again, I was not trying to be disrespectful. I just respectfully disagreed. >LM > >JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote: > >. that is what happened with one of the ps I saw, Dr K. My insurance was willing to cover, and I paid no money towards explant. Whatsoever. She even lost money on the 6 and 1/2 surgery , as the ins in the end had a cap off amount, and she exceeded that amount. But she never then billed me for the remander, as others are known to do. Never came to me for a dime. She told me to expect losing money when it comes to insurance. They have alot of cap of, even if they cover. All I paid for the day before was the lift. And was refunded two days later, as the lift took half the time. > >I had a problem with this up front no return deposit thing, and I work in insurance so I know a few things. I decided not to go with that, and went to a differnt PS. I am glad I did! My results were great, and I am incerdibly happy. It doesnt have to be a debate here. Sometimes the truths are ugly, and thats ok. Reveal them all.Bring them on ! Its "what outweights what", is what works for all of us. Its a good thing that we have talked about this. Its great that we have this site to become aware of all of our options, the skills of ps's, the insurance coverages, whats expected with some up front, the lift amounts, the character and borad knowlegde of them, the great jobs they do, some not so great-we have more choices, and I had the freedom and the power to at least in a terrible situation, that you feel helplesss in- make informed choices. My choice. To be stong in the whole thing. So kudos to this site for all it brings, big thanks PAtty for all you do! All the time and energy > you have spent is well worth it all.Thank you and thank you lord for a place to be safe in and to be accepted! This site works, and it works well. It did for me! > > > > > > > >From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Feng Patient >Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) > >No, insurance companies are not here to help us, they're here to make money/profit--that is their fundamental principle. The only way out of this is national health care. Americans need to wake up to this fact and decide what is is they want.As long as "for profit" private health insurance pays, this is the way it will be.Insurance companies are not to blame, WE the voters are. > >Lynda <coss@...> wrote:I have found that most plastic surgeons help with insurance, take >insurance, and wait for payment from insurance. This is quite new to me >that someone does not. I would insist that they do the paperwork so you >can at least be reimbursed. After all, you are the customer, and they are >there to serve you. I just do not understand the attitude about >insurance. Should > they all not be trying to help us in any way they can? > >Lynda > > >At 11:45 AM 5/28/2004, you wrote: > >I emailed Jeena from explantation.com to see what she did as far as > >her insurance with Dr Feng. I know that they don't do things exactly > >like allot of other ps's with regard to insurance, and I think they > >like to be paid cash up front and have you deal with the > >reimbursment, that is what one lady told me. Anyhow I will see what > >she says and get back to you. I still think that was what someone > >told me but I cannot remember. I know allot of other top notch PS's > >that work that way, and some that don't, so it really just depends I > >guess on how they operate with regard to insurance. I will let you > >know what I find out. > >hugs > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re. Dr. Feng's office - my insurance is willing to pay for the > >entire > > > procedure of explantation but Dr. Feng's office is not cooperating > >with them. And > > > they are a top insurance > company!!! I was pleased to have to > >covered as I have > > > heard many do not. I understand her office is top of the line - > >and that's > > > great -- just need the help with insurance........ > > > > > > > > > >

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Hi ! I understood your post, I just wanted to make certain nobody thought I was being disrespectful, it was a message to you and everyone but thank you for your reply.

Take care,

LMJOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

LM, I dont disagree with you at all! Re read my post, I agree! I went to another ps who didnt want a 1500 up no refundable up front! No disrespect taken!~ Love

>From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: (Feng Patient) & how this site works! >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:13:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi : >I wasn't trying to inflame the situation by discussing the 1,5000 non refund thingy. I just don't agree with a no refund policy on surgery providing you give 24 hours+ notice. Dr. Feng is a good surgeon, that has been established, this was not meant to be disrespectful, just consumed education and to find out why this is the case. > >I like my current PS but don't agree with his policy, actually it's not his policy, but the university at which he practices. This policy is that there's a surgeon's fee for going back in and revising something that was supposed to be done in the first surgery(in other words for his error or his not doing what he stated he was going to do). For instance, my first surgery

was supposed to fix the asymmetry and remove the railroad track mark scars by excision(that was the pre-surgery goal that he told me could be done in ONE surgery), well, it did not go as planned so now I need more surgery. I would not mind just having to pay another OR fee and anesthesiology fee as this is understandable and customary, BUT, he charged me almost 2,000 for a surgeons fee too. I don't think it's right because he told me this could be achieved in one surgery, he didn't get it right so I don't think I should pay him another surgeon's fee for mastopexy round two.Most patients I know, their docs don't > charge a surgeon's fee to go back in and get it right, but he and other PS's at this university do--it's THEIR POLICY. I think it stinks. > > Anyway, I brought this to his attention and he lowed the surgeons fee to 500.00. Yes, I'm happier about this but at the same time, I don't think paying another surgeons fee is right. But it's his policy. This does not in any

way shape or form take away the fact I like him, it's just one of those things I don't think is right. > >You can still admire and respect someone without agree with everything they do.Again, I was not trying to be disrespectful. I just respectfully disagreed. >LM > >JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote: > >. that is what happened with one of the ps I saw, Dr K. My insurance was willing to cover, and I paid no money towards explant. Whatsoever. She even lost money on the 6 and 1/2 surgery , as the ins in the end had a cap off amount, and she exceeded that amount. But she never then billed me for the remander, as others are known to do. Never came to me for a dime. She told me to expect losing money when it comes to insurance. They have alot of cap of, even if they cover. All I paid for the day before was the lift. And was refunded two days later, as the lift took half the time. > >I had a problem with this up front no return deposit thing,

and I work in insurance so I know a few things. I decided not to go with that, and went to a differnt PS. I am glad I did! My results were great, and I am incerdibly happy. It doesnt have to be a debate here. Sometimes the truths are ugly, and thats ok. Reveal them all.Bring them on ! Its "what outweights what", is what works for all of us. Its a good thing that we have talked about this. Its great that we have this site to become aware of all of our options, the skills of ps's, the insurance coverages, whats expected with some up front, the lift amounts, the character and borad knowlegde of them, the great jobs they do, some not so great-we have more choices, and I had the freedom and the power to at least in a terrible situation, that you feel helplesss in- make informed choices. My choice. To be stong in the whole thing. So kudos to this site for all it brings, big thanks PAtty for all you do! All the time and energy > you have spent is well worth it all.Thank you and thank

you lord for a place to be safe in and to be accepted! This site works, and it works well. It did for me! > > > > > > > >From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Feng Patient >Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) > >No, insurance companies are not here to help us, they're here to make money/profit--that is their fundamental principle. The only way out of this is national health care. Americans need to wake up to this fact and decide what is is they want.As long as "for profit" private health insurance pays, this is the way it will be.Insurance companies are not to blame, WE the voters are. > >Lynda <coss@...> wrote:I have found that most plastic surgeons help with insurance, take >insurance, and wait for payment from insurance. This is quite new to me >that someone does not. I would

insist that they do the paperwork so you >can at least be reimbursed. After all, you are the customer, and they are >there to serve you. I just do not understand the attitude about >insurance. Should > they all not be trying to help us in any way they can? > >Lynda > > >At 11:45 AM 5/28/2004, you wrote: > >I emailed Jeena from explantation.com to see what she did as far as > >her insurance with Dr Feng. I know that they don't do things exactly > >like allot of other ps's with regard to insurance, and I think they > >like to be paid cash up front and have you deal with the > >reimbursment, that is what one lady told me. Anyhow I will see what > >she says and get back to you. I still think that was what someone > >told me but I cannot remember. I know allot of other top notch PS's > >that work that way, and some that don't, so it really just depends I > >guess on how they operate with regard to insurance.

I will let you > >know what I find out. > >hugs > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re. Dr. Feng's office - my insurance is willing to pay for the > >entire > > > procedure of explantation but Dr. Feng's office is not cooperating > >with them. And > > > they are a top insurance > company!!! I was pleased to have to > >covered as I have > > > heard many do not. I understand her office is top of the line - > >and that's > > > great -- just need the help with insurance........ > > > > > > > > > >