Just my opinion

[Guest guest]

Also, Dr. Kuri is not licensed in the US, so it is illegal for him to

do any medical procedure while here. S

> On the subject of Dr. Kuri doing fills while he is here - I don't

> think we should ask him to do fills. He is coming up here because

he

> wants to spend some social time with his patients and friends and I

> just don't think it is right to ask him to fills. He is such a

dear

> to spend his own money to come up here for our event - I think we

> should just thank him for being here and enjoy his company.

>

> I don't mean to " piss " anyone off - just need to express my

feelings.

>

> Elma in Graham, WA

[Guest guest]

I wrote this long really detailed email and of course, wouldn't ya

know that my computer decided to crash on me. So I lost it. I want to

kind of touch on the subject here breifly without being so long this

time anyhow because I just don't know if I have the time to write it

all again.

There was some pretty heated debate or maybe a better word would be

opinions stated on this board about medications and some being really

bad and I just want to state for the record just so those of you out

there who are taking pain meds to understand and to know that just

because your taking pain meds to help you right now, does not make

you a bad person, does not mean you cannot or will not get well and

does not necesarily mean your gonna need them forever.

I know that some feel really strongly about not taking any

prescription meds, and I respect anyone for that and would never tell

them they should. I also would never tell anyone who is taking a

prescription drug not to take it as long as they felt they needed it

and that it was helping them. There are certain drugs I definitely

agree are worse than others, and I would be reluctant to take them

unless the situation was extremely critical. Those would be steroids,

or chemo drugs mostly. There are some anti depressants that I would

be extremely cautious with as well, as there is a class action

lawsuit right now against zoloft and paxil for suicides and in fact I

know of some personal cases involving young people in a study that in

fact committed suicide on a college campus. It is so sad.

Pain medications and sleep meds can be addictive and some really

really hard to get off of for some type of people, that is the

biggest risk esp with narcotics and benzodiazepines, like valium and

ativan etc. However, for me I know that when it came down to actually

losing my home, my job, my car and all my belongings, due to extreme

pain, I tried some vicodin and it was a miracle drug for me. I got a

script for it and while I did definitly become dependant on it, it

saved my life too. It helped me continue to work, it kept the money

coming in and it kept me from just laying around in pain, in fact I

truly think it got me over the hump after explant until my body began

to take care of itself. I was switched to another drug that was less

harsh on the liver (cause vicodin has tylenol in it) and that drug

was called oxycontin. That drug also is an addictive drug and should

be used very cautiously, however, again, it allowed me to get through

the horrible pain, work, exercise, and get strong enough to finally

wean off of it.

I got better, and my neurological symptoms(which were def my worse)

went away pretty fast for an implant victim. I feel that my approach

was a balance of both natural and allopathic medicine and I feel that

this is a reasonable approach for many of us and should not be

completely ruled out as an option nor should it be critisized because

it is not the way some people would do it, does not mean it is not

right for some of us. It is also not right to tell anyone that they

will not get better if they take pain meds. It is a patients right

above all not to endure suffereing. I mean if one choses to suffer,

that is of course one option, and if beliefs in strictly herbal meds

and supps is what one wants to use to keep pain at bay and it works

that is awesome, but even with those kind of drugs(yes herbs are

drugs too) one must remember they also go through your liver and

kidneys and can be hard on the body too.

I am not going to recomend that this is the route for everyone, but I

also do not want people to suffer if there is a way that you can get

help. Esp if your in a position such as i was, to where your job is

at stake. If pain meds can help you get to work and hang on to a job

everyday that alone is a good enough reason to me. If drugs are not

abused then they are reasonably safe enough to take till you get

well. I do not believe there is always a right or wrong way to

recover from this illness and I just hate to hear anyone say that it

has to be or it is a certain way. It isn't always the case. We are

all individuals and we all have to follow our heart and do what we

feel is best for us.

So in ending this I just want to say that I respect all the opinions

on this site, even those I don't necesarly agree with, and I hope

that my opinions also will be at least respected, even if they are

not agreed with.

thanks ladies for listening

[Guest guest]

I hear you !

LMnaturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

I wrote this long really detailed email and of course, wouldn't ya know that my computer decided to crash on me. So I lost it. I want to kind of touch on the subject here breifly without being so long this time anyhow because I just don't know if I have the time to write it all again.There was some pretty heated debate or maybe a better word would be opinions stated on this board about medications and some being really bad and I just want to state for the record just so those of you out there who are taking pain meds to understand and to know that just because your taking pain meds to help you right now, does not make you a bad person, does not mean you cannot or will not get well and does not necesarily mean your gonna need them forever.I know that some feel really strongly about not taking any prescription meds, and I respect

anyone for that and would never tell them they should. I also would never tell anyone who is taking a prescription drug not to take it as long as they felt they needed it and that it was helping them. There are certain drugs I definitely agree are worse than others, and I would be reluctant to take them unless the situation was extremely critical. Those would be steroids, or chemo drugs mostly. There are some anti depressants that I would be extremely cautious with as well, as there is a class action lawsuit right now against zoloft and paxil for suicides and in fact I know of some personal cases involving young people in a study that in fact committed suicide on a college campus. It is so sad.Pain medications and sleep meds can be addictive and some really really hard to get off of for some type of people, that is the biggest risk esp with narcotics and benzodiazepines, like valium and ativan etc. However, for me I know that

when it came down to actually losing my home, my job, my car and all my belongings, due to extreme pain, I tried some vicodin and it was a miracle drug for me. I got a script for it and while I did definitly become dependant on it, it saved my life too. It helped me continue to work, it kept the money coming in and it kept me from just laying around in pain, in fact I truly think it got me over the hump after explant until my body began to take care of itself. I was switched to another drug that was less harsh on the liver (cause vicodin has tylenol in it) and that drug was called oxycontin. That drug also is an addictive drug and should be used very cautiously, however, again, it allowed me to get through the horrible pain, work, exercise, and get strong enough to finally wean off of it.I got better, and my neurological symptoms(which were def my worse) went away pretty fast for an implant victim. I feel that my approach

was a balance of both natural and allopathic medicine and I feel that this is a reasonable approach for many of us and should not be completely ruled out as an option nor should it be critisized because it is not the way some people would do it, does not mean it is not right for some of us. It is also not right to tell anyone that they will not get better if they take pain meds. It is a patients right above all not to endure suffereing. I mean if one choses to suffer, that is of course one option, and if beliefs in strictly herbal meds and supps is what one wants to use to keep pain at bay and it works that is awesome, but even with those kind of drugs(yes herbs are drugs too) one must remember they also go through your liver and kidneys and can be hard on the body too. I am not going to recomend that this is the route for everyone, but I also do not want people to suffer if there is a way that you can get help. Esp if your

in a position such as i was, to where your job is at stake. If pain meds can help you get to work and hang on to a job everyday that alone is a good enough reason to me. If drugs are not abused then they are reasonably safe enough to take till you get well. I do not believe there is always a right or wrong way to recover from this illness and I just hate to hear anyone say that it has to be or it is a certain way. It isn't always the case. We are all individuals and we all have to follow our heart and do what we feel is best for us.So in ending this I just want to say that I respect all the opinions on this site, even those I don't necesarly agree with, and I hope that my opinions also will be at least respected, even if they are not agreed with.thanks ladies for listening

[Guest guest]

“I just think that the drug companies donate the psychotropic type drugs to the disaster victims so that there aren't lawsuits when these people come off of these meds cold turkey and become suicidal or homicidal or both. Now, having said that, I do hope that if there is a disaster where I live, that my sons who are on a lot of different drugs would be able to access them somehow. Just my thoughts.”Karla Kay Akinshttp://libertyscholars.com

Perhaps I should introduce myself to the group (I apologize for the length). I joined the EOHarm group about three weeks ago. I do not have an affected child (my children were born in 1985 and 1986), although my nephew born in 1992 is diagnosed autistic. Hayden was in the first birth cohort to receive a Hep B shot at birth. My sister now believes that his current neurological condition is the combination of thimerosal triggered by his MMR. Not being convinced that this is all just a miscalculation of mercury microgram conversation, I became very interested in vaccine distribution to specific populations (particularly to Mexico, the Philippians, and Central America, 1986-1990) and by whom.

My educational background is in the field of Urban and Regional Planning with a concentration in environmental science. Upon graduation from Eastern Michigan University (EMU), I began my career as a Geographic Information Systems (GIS) Specialist. I currently work at a small institute within EMU. Essentially GIS is the ability to take tabular databases and create spatial maps for high-powered analysis by geography. GIS allows a user to incorporate many different data sources and register that information in layers to answer complex geographic questions. GIS is the background for every CSI episode produced. My political science and Geographic Information Systems background in combination with the thimerosal and autism research has given a definite twist in the subject matter - particularly when you add the VeriChip subdermal GPS/GIS tracking technology and the July 2005 appointed of Bush's former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services and past Governor of Wisconsin, Tommy , to the Board of Directors of the VeriChip Corporation. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364 Tommy gets his chip: http://www.verichipcorp.com/news/1121662800

The story of thimerosal and autism has been, as Mark Blaxill so vividly expressed, “like reading a “bad” novel I just couldn’t put down.” As for Evidence of Harm, it is very strange almost surreal to read a book that defines four years of your research written by a man you never met. As I turned the pages of Evidence of Harm written by Kirby, every page contained a memory. The book did not contain a report, hearing transcript, memo, or newspaper clipping that I do not have filed in my office. It was the book I thought I would write. It was a book I tried to write several times. (Thank-you !). 's schedule brings him to Ypsilanti on October 28th for an event sponsored by the Michigan Chiropractic Association (MCA) http://michiganchiropractic.org/. I will be presenting our GIS autism/mercury research as a panelist following 's presentation. Eastern Michigan University is located in Ypsilanti and the Marriott/Eagle Crest Conference Center is considered part of our campus.

My concern regarding medical distribution during this FEMA healthcare emergency comes from the following; since the summer of 2001, I have been very interested in vaccine distribution, vaccine injury distribution and post 9/11 vaccine legislation. Although this sounds like paranoia from the right, the events of the summer of 2001 and post 9/11 legislation has required me to investigate the government’s power to force vaccinate in a healthcare emergency. The Katrina/Rita Hurricanes are our first declared healthcare emergency post 9/11. In the aftermath, the CDC and FEMA have initiated a mass vaccination program targeted to a specific population and geographic region under a declared healthcare emergency. As I stated in my original post, it will be impossible to ever scientifically prove the theory of vaccine induced "Hurricane Katrina Syndrome" because of the exposure to so many other environmental toxins.

At the end of July 2001, I was one of more than 13,000 GIS geeks that attended the Environmental Science Research Institute (ESRI) International User Conference in San Diego, California www.esri.com. ESRI hosts the largest geographic information systems (GIS) conference in the world. This event brought people from almost every conceivable employment sector, from 135 countries, representing tribal, federal, state, and local government, industry, nonprofit, academia, K-12 education, news media, and other sectors. The Conference is a forum for people like me who are teaching, conducting educational research, and supporting education in a content area such as environmental science, geography, history, science, or mathematics. I also teach GIS technology in an after-school program to 6th-8th grade students.

During the conference proceedings I wandered into the Department of Defense’s booth to be educated on the use of GIS in the event of a bioterrorist attack http://www.geoplace.com/gw/2002/0203/0203gngs.asp. The application used ArcView (ESRI software) and CATS – Consequence Assessment Tool Set software. The CATS assesses the consequences of technological and natural disasters to population, resources and infrastructure. Hazards accounted for in CATS range from natural disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes, to technological disasters such as industrial accidents, terrorism and acts of war. CATS combines state-of-the-art hazard and consequence prediction, digital databases and a Geographic Information System (GIS) within an easy-to-learn Graphical User Interface (GUI). Developed under the guidance of the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) and the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), CATS provides significant assistance in emergency managers' training, exercises, contingency planning, logistical planning and calculating requirements for humanitarian aid.

This particular GIS application showcased at the Conference was to be used by emergency personnel and FEMA to shut down a city in response to a Smallpox or Anthrax threat. The application had geographically referenced vaccination facilities complete with lockdowns & quarantine stations for the protection of US citizens. The application also included road blocks and checkpoints to prevent citizens from leaving designated areas.

GIS has been around the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for quite a while, but it was during and after Hurricane , in 1992, that its full potential began to emerge. Inspired by the avid use of this technology by the South Florida Water Management District, FEMA deployed its first GIS capability at the Miami Disaster Field Office and worked closely with the State of Florida in using the technology to support that disaster.

In the aftermath of the "experience", GIS began to take a more cohesive shape within FEMA. FEMA began to use GIS based hurricane wind and earthquake damage estimation models. In 1993, FEMA first used real-time flood extent information on GIS maps during the mid-west floods. In 1994, FEMA employed GIS during the California earthquakes. It was soon after this that FEMA management recognized the need to further organize and structure the GIS support capabilities of the Agency. To this end, in 1994, FEMA formed the GIS Applications Branch in the Information Technology Services Directorate (ITSD). Under the management of the ITSD GIS Applications Branch, the Mapping and Analysis Center (MAC) was designed and developed as a state-of-the-art GIS laboratory to support the Emergency Support Team (EST) and the Response and Recovery Directorate.

Since that time, I have spent many waking hours downloading every Governmental Reform Hearing transcript, scientific report, and newspaper clipping that I could find on autism, vaccines, smallpox, and anthrax. It was like turning over a rock and watching the bugs squirm from the light of day. Beginning in 1999, as states revealed skyrocketing rates of autism spectrum disorder among children along with rising unexplained Gulf War Syndrome cases being reported by military forces, the media began to explore the medical controversy in print and broadcast reports. These debilitating neurological illnesses prompted a series of Government Reform Hearings into a wide range of vaccine issues by Congressman Dan Burton, then Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee. Congressman Burton, a staunch conservative from Indiana, who as many of you know, is grandfather of an autistic child and he believes his grandson’s condition was vaccine induced. The investigations included the problems in the involuntary military vaccine immunization program as well as the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

In a recent post, Vera stated that Aventis Pasteur has taken down all references by lot and/or serial number and her statement that so far, all of the ASD two year olds she had met either (1) have a mother that received flu shots or (2) received a lot of Aventis Pasteur HIB and DTaP vaccines. Sanofi-Aventis has donated 200,000 doses of flu shots for hurricane victims. The doses are on their way to health departments in areas that are housing hurricane evacuees (the Aventis Pasteur flu shot still contains 25 micrograms of mercury.)

In response to Vera's post, I started following and posting FEMA medical distribution articles - particularly from Aventis Pasteur and Eli Lilly ( H.W. Bush sat on Lilly’s board of directors in the 1970s, appointed by the father of the future Vice President Dan Quayle who owned controlling interest in the corporation), with distribution from AmeriCares (Barbara Bush, the ambassador-at-large for AmeriCares and Prescott Bush, brother to H.W. Bush, was a member of the Advisory Committee of AmeriCares) http://www.americares.org/newsroom?id=6, and Pat on's Operation Blessing (FEMA’s no. 2 choice for cash donations) http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1112518 & page=1 & CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312. This also allowed me to follow up on research I had completed on “humanitarian aid” distribution by these organizations during the Iran-Contra era of the 1980s – and theories about the 2004 flu vaccine shortage with Aventis Pasteur being the sole provider of the flu shot distributed by AmeriCares. In my posts on this issue, I deliberately left out commentary, but tried hard to contribute current information that followed my train of thought - understanding that it is all dependant on your view of thimerosal and the distribution of the flu vaccine - some people believe this is necessary and does more good than harm. http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2 & item_no=54109 & version=1 & template_id=43 & parent_id=19 http://biz./prnews/050915/nyth109.html?.v=23

The combination of a thimerosal flu shot donated by Aventis Pasteur that is distributed by AmeriCares http://www.americares.org/newsroom/?id=22 and the donation of Prozac, Zyprexa, and Strattera by Eli Lilly http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050914/BUSINESS/509140431/1003 is well…just interesting.

“Investigation the Spatial Relationships Between Environmental Toxins and Autism Spectrum Disorders”

Due to a marked increase in the incidence of Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) over the last few decades, my GIS research is an integral component of a long-term effort to support geospatial analysis of autism-related data, adopting a Space-Time Information System (STIS). The long-range goal is to build a consortium of agencies and organizations that collect data and information on ASDs and environmental conditions, and to coordinate and make available consortium resources to re­searchers investigating the etiology of ASDs.

The project builds a geographic data model using Geographic Information System (GIS) technology and develops a pilot project using California’s Department of Developmental Services (CA DDS) Client Development Evaluation Reports (CDER) intake data and EPA mercury release data. The pilot project focuses on Southern California, including Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, and Imperial counties, covering nine CA DDS Regional Centers. The project was made possible by three years of funding from the Doug Flutie, Jr. Foundation for Autism, Inc.

The first objective of the project was the creation a space-time series of individuals receiving services for full-syndrome autism in California. To date, we have successfully created a computer generated map series that illustrates the increase in autism cases for the entire State of California, focusing analysis on Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, and Imperial counties, from 1992 through 2003 across time and geographic locations. The visualization process of making quarterly snapshot maps of the specified areas has been completed.

The overall objective of this project is to refine a Geographic Information System (GIS) tool to compare quarterly prevalence data to environmental toxins that will help examine correlations between higher exposures to specific toxins (mercury) and the development of Autism Spectrum Disorders. These analytical tools will be used to evaluate the statistical and spatial relationships between the presence and use of environmental toxins and the incidence of ASD.

Cregar

GIS Project Specialist

All I can say is it’s a reality stranger than fiction!

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of selahdream@...Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:30 AMEOHarm Subject: Just my opinionI just think that the drug companies donate the psychotropic type drugs to the disaster victims so that there aren't lawsuits when these people come off of these meds cold turkey and become suicidal or homicidal or both. Now, having said that, I do hope that if there is a disaster where I live, that my sons who are on a lot of different drugs would be able to access them somehow. Just my thoughts.Karla Kay Akinshttp://libertyscholars.com

[Guest guest]

Hi

First thanks for all the awesome work you are doing.

I just wanted to clarify two things to protect my own behind:

1. I can not say, with 100% certainty that you can no longer receive lot/serial information from Aventis Pasteur. However, per their own website, they no longer take calls from the public. And according to our DAN (Dr. Sears in CA) they no longer will respond to lot number requests from MDs either. They leave messages and AP has not returned calls. So, my first and second hand information is that this information is no longer available. I will contact the NVIC again so we can work to come to some official conclusions, but the NVIC did not have information on more recent lot numbers. If someone can find lot number information on APs website, I wish them luck. I could not and neither has anybody else I know of. Please let us know if you come across it.

2."all of the ASD two year olds she had met either (1) have a mother that received flu shots or (2) received a lot of Aventis Pasteur HIB and DTaP vaccines."

I still completely stand by that statement although I have now learned of young children who got three thimerasol containing flu shots and are now ASD. The HIB and DTaP were the thimerasol-free GSK, but all flu shots contained thimerasol. So that is a third category.

I have two more sets of vaccine records for ASD two year olds -- again -- all received AP Connaught shots in 2003 and into 2004. We all know that unvaccinated children get ASD and there are many sources of mercury poisoning. But the vaccine supply at least in So Cal was not cleaned up in 2004. These are kids who received 8 doses of thimerasol (via HIB and DTaP) before 12 months of age. Some also received thimerasol flu shots.

Waiting for the 9/30/2005 DSM IV numbers. I bet (pure speculation) that we see another decline at 9/30/2005 and then a spike at 12/31/2005 due to the timing of the flu shot.

Vera

Cregar <diana.cregar@...> wrote:

“I just think that the drug companies donate the psychotropic type drugs to the disaster victims so that there aren't lawsuits when these people come off of these meds cold turkey and become suicidal or homicidal or both. Now, having said that, I do hope that if there is a disaster where I live, that my sons who are on a lot of different drugs would be able to access them somehow. Just my thoughts.”Karla Kay Akinshttp://libertyscholars.com

Perhaps I should introduce myself to the group (I apologize for the length). I joined the EOHarm group about three weeks ago. I do not have an affected child (my children were born in 1985 and 1986), although my nephew born in 1992 is diagnosed autistic. Hayden was in the first birth cohort to receive a Hep B shot at birth. My sister now believes that his current neurological condition is the combination of

thimerosal triggered by his MMR. Not being convinced that this is all just a miscalculation of mercury microgram conversation, I became very interested in vaccine distribution to specific populations (particularly to Mexico, the Philippians, and Central America, 1986-1990) and by whom.

My educational background is in the field of Urban and Regional Planning with a concentration in environmental science. Upon graduation from Eastern Michigan University (EMU), I began my career as a Geographic Information Systems (GIS) Specialist. I currently work at a small institute within EMU. Essentially GIS is the ability to take tabular databases and create spatial maps for high-powered analysis by geography. GIS allows a user to incorporate many different data sources and register that information in layers to answer complex geographic questions. GIS is the background for every CSI episode produced. My political science and Geographic Information Systems background in combination with the thimerosal and autism research has given a definite twist in the subject matter - particularly when you add the VeriChip subdermal GPS/GIS tracking technology and the July 2005 appointed of Bush's former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services and past Governor of Wisconsin, Tommy , to the Board of Directors of the VeriChip Corporation. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364 Tommy gets his chip: http://www.verichipcorp.com/news/1121662800

The story of thimerosal and autism has been, as Mark Blaxill so vividly expressed, “like reading a “bad” novel I just couldn’t put down.” As for Evidence of Harm, it is very strange almost surreal to read a book that defines four years of your research written by a man you never met. As I turned the pages of Evidence of Harm written by Kirby, every page contained a memory. The book did not contain a report, hearing transcript, memo, or newspaper clipping that I do not have filed in my office. It was the book I thought I would write. It was a book I tried to write several times. (Thank-you !). 's schedule brings him to Ypsilanti on October 28th for an event sponsored by the Michigan Chiropractic Association (MCA) http://michiganchiropractic.org/. I will be presenting our GIS autism/mercury research as a panelist following 's presentation. Eastern Michigan University is located in Ypsilanti and the Marriott/Eagle Crest Conference Center is considered part of our campus.

My concern regarding medical distribution during this FEMA healthcare emergency comes from the following; since the summer of 2001, I have been very interested in vaccine distribution, vaccine injury distribution and post 9/11 vaccine legislation. Although this sounds like paranoia from the right, the events of the summer of 2001 and post 9/11 legislation has required me to investigate the government’s power to force vaccinate in a healthcare emergency. The Katrina/Rita Hurricanes are our first declared healthcare emergency post 9/11. In the

aftermath, the CDC and FEMA have initiated a mass vaccination program targeted to a specific population and geographic region under a declared healthcare emergency. As I stated in my original post, it will be impossible to ever scientifically prove the theory of vaccine induced "Hurricane Katrina Syndrome" because of the exposure to so many other environmental toxins.

At the end of July 2001, I was one of more than 13,000 GIS geeks that attended the Environmental Science Research Institute (ESRI) International User Conference in San Diego, California www.esri.com. ESRI hosts the largest geographic information systems (GIS) conference in the world. This event brought people from almost every conceivable employment sector, from 135 countries, representing tribal, federal, state, and local government, industry, nonprofit, academia, K-12 education, news media, and other sectors.

The Conference is a forum for people like me who are teaching, conducting educational research, and supporting education in a content area such as environmental science, geography, history, science, or mathematics. I also teach GIS technology in an after-school program to 6th-8th grade students.

During the conference proceedings I wandered into the Department of Defense’s booth to be educated on the use of GIS in the event of a bioterrorist attack http://www.geoplace.com/gw/2002/0203/0203gngs.asp. The application used ArcView (ESRI software) and CATS – Consequence Assessment Tool Set software. The CATS assesses the consequences of technological and natural disasters to population, resources and infrastructure. Hazards accounted for in CATS range from natural disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes, to technological disasters such as industrial accidents, terrorism and acts of war. CATS combines state-of-the-art hazard and consequence prediction, digital databases and a Geographic Information System (GIS) within an easy-to-learn Graphical User Interface (GUI). Developed under the guidance of the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) and the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), CATS provides significant assistance in emergency managers' training, exercises, contingency planning, logistical planning and calculating requirements for humanitarian aid.

This particular GIS application showcased at the Conference was to be used by emergency personnel and FEMA to shut down a city in response to a Smallpox or Anthrax threat. The application had geographically referenced vaccination facilities complete with lockdowns & quarantine stations for the protection of US citizens. The application also included road blocks and checkpoints to prevent citizens from leaving designated areas.

GIS has been around the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for quite a while, but it was during and after Hurricane , in 1992, that its full potential began to emerge. Inspired by the avid use of this technology by the South Florida Water Management District, FEMA deployed its first GIS capability at the Miami Disaster Field Office and worked closely with the State of Florida in using the technology to support that disaster.

In the aftermath of the "experience", GIS began to take a more cohesive shape within FEMA. FEMA began to use GIS based hurricane wind and earthquake damage estimation models. In 1993, FEMA first used real-time flood extent information on GIS maps during the mid-west floods. In 1994, FEMA employed GIS during the California earthquakes. It was soon after this that FEMA management recognized the need to further organize and structure the GIS support capabilities of the Agency. To this end, in 1994, FEMA formed the GIS Applications Branch in the Information Technology Services Directorate (ITSD). Under the management of the ITSD GIS Applications Branch, the Mapping and Analysis Center (MAC) was designed and developed as a state-of-the-art GIS laboratory to support the Emergency Support Team (EST) and the Response and Recovery Directorate.

Since that time, I have spent many waking hours downloading every Governmental Reform Hearing transcript, scientific report, and newspaper clipping that I could find on autism, vaccines, smallpox, and anthrax. It was like turning over a rock and watching the bugs squirm from the light of day. Beginning in 1999, as states revealed skyrocketing rates of autism spectrum disorder among children along with rising unexplained Gulf War Syndrome cases being reported by military forces, the media began to explore the medical controversy in print and broadcast reports. These debilitating neurological

illnesses prompted a series of Government Reform Hearings into a wide range of vaccine issues by Congressman Dan Burton, then Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee. Congressman Burton, a staunch conservative from Indiana, who as many of you know, is grandfather of an autistic child and he believes his grandson’s condition was vaccine induced. The investigations included the problems in the involuntary military vaccine immunization program as well as the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

In a recent post, Vera stated that Aventis Pasteur has taken down all references by lot and/or serial number and her statement that so far, all of the ASD two year olds she had met either (1) have a mother that received flu shots or (2) received a lot of Aventis Pasteur HIB and DTaP vaccines. Sanofi-Aventis has donated 200,000 doses of flu shots for hurricane victims. The doses are on their way to health departments in areas that are housing hurricane evacuees (the Aventis Pasteur flu shot still contains 25 micrograms of mercury.)

In response to Vera's post, I started following and posting FEMA medical distribution articles - particularly from Aventis Pasteur and Eli Lilly ( H.W. Bush sat on Lilly’s board of directors in the 1970s, appointed by the father of the future Vice President Dan Quayle who owned controlling interest in the corporation), with distribution from AmeriCares (Barbara Bush, the ambassador-at-large for AmeriCares and Prescott Bush, brother to H.W. Bush, was a member of the Advisory Committee of AmeriCares) http://www.americares.org/newsroom?id=6, and Pat on's Operation Blessing (FEMA’s no. 2 choice for cash donations) http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1112518 & page=1 & CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312. This also allowed me to follow up on research I had completed on “humanitarian aid” distribution by these organizations during the Iran-Contra era of the 1980s – and theories about the 2004 flu vaccine shortage with Aventis Pasteur being the sole provider of the flu shot distributed by AmeriCares. In my posts on this issue, I

deliberately left out commentary, but tried hard to contribute current information that followed my train of thought - understanding that it is all dependant on your view of thimerosal and the distribution of the flu vaccine - some people believe this is necessary and does more good than harm. http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2 & item_no=54109 & version=1 & template_id=43 & parent_id=19 http://biz./prnews/050915/nyth109.html?.v=23

The combination of a thimerosal flu shot donated by Aventis Pasteur that is distributed by AmeriCares http://www.americares.org/newsroom/?id=22 and the donation of Prozac, Zyprexa, and Strattera by Eli Lilly http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050914/BUSINESS/509140431/1003 is well…just interesting.

“Investigation the Spatial Relationships Between Environmental Toxins and Autism Spectrum Disorders”

Due to a marked increase in the incidence of Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) over the last few decades, my GIS research is an integral component of a long-term effort to support geospatial analysis of autism-related data, adopting a Space-Time Information System (STIS). The long-range goal is to build a consortium of agencies and organizations that collect data and information on ASDs and environmental conditions, and to coordinate and make available consortium resources to re­searchers investigating the etiology of ASDs.

The project builds a geographic data model using Geographic Information System (GIS) technology and develops a pilot project using California’s Department of Developmental Services (CA DDS) Client Development Evaluation Reports (CDER) intake data and EPA mercury release data. The pilot project focuses on Southern California, including Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, and Imperial counties, covering nine CA DDS Regional Centers. The project was made possible by three years of funding from the Doug Flutie, Jr. Foundation for Autism, Inc.

The first objective of the project was the creation a space-time series of individuals receiving services for full-syndrome autism in California. To date, we have successfully created a computer generated map series that illustrates the increase in autism cases for the entire State of California, focusing analysis on Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, and Imperial counties, from 1992 through 2003 across time and geographic locations. The visualization process of making quarterly snapshot maps of the specified areas has been completed.

The overall objective of this project is to refine a Geographic Information System (GIS) tool to compare quarterly prevalence data to environmental toxins that will help examine correlations between higher exposures to specific toxins (mercury) and the development of Autism Spectrum Disorders. These analytical tools will be used to evaluate the statistical and spatial relationships between the presence and use of environmental toxins and the incidence of ASD.

Cregar

GIS Project Specialist

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-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of selahdream@...Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:30 AMEOHarm Subject: Just my opinionI just think that the drug companies donate the psychotropic type drugs to the disaster victims so that there aren't lawsuits when these people come off of these meds cold turkey and become suicidal or homicidal or both. Now, having said that, I do hope that if there is a disaster where I live, that my sons who are on a lot of different drugs would be able to access them somehow. Just my thoughts.Karla Kay Akinshttp://libertyscholars.com

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We can add one more to the list...my sister's blood type is O Negative. She received thimerosal containing Rho-gam shots during her pregnancies. I am A Positive. In addition to Hayden's autism, her daughter, Whitney, has been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorders (ADD). Even though I am younger - by circumstance my children (1985 & 1986) did not receive the same quantity of thimerosal as my sister's children (1991 & 1992).

-----Original Message-----From: Vera [mailto:sircarlito@...]Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:31 PM Cregar; EOHarm Subject: RE: Just my opinion

Hi

First thanks for all the awesome work you are doing.

I just wanted to clarify two things to protect my own behind:

1. I can not say, with 100% certainty that you can no longer receive lot/serial information from Aventis Pasteur. However, per their own website, they no longer take calls from the public. And according to our DAN (Dr. Sears in CA) they no longer will respond to lot number requests from MDs either. They leave messages and AP has not returned calls. So, my first and second hand information is that this information is no longer available. I will contact the NVIC again so we can work to come to some official conclusions, but the NVIC did not have information on more recent lot numbers. If someone can find lot number information on APs website, I wish them luck. I could not and neither has anybody else I know of. Please let us know if you come across it.

2."all of the ASD two year olds she had met either (1) have a mother that received flu shots or (2) received a lot of Aventis Pasteur HIB and DTaP vaccines."

I still completely stand by that statement although I have now learned of young children who got three thimerasol containing flu shots and are now ASD. The HIB and DTaP were the thimerasol-free GSK, but all flu shots contained thimerasol. So that is a third category.

I have two more sets of vaccine records for ASD two year olds -- again -- all received AP Connaught shots in 2003 and into 2004. We all know that unvaccinated children get ASD and there are many sources of mercury poisoning. But the vaccine supply at least in So Cal was not cleaned up in 2004. These are kids who received 8 doses of thimerasol (via HIB and DTaP) before 12 months of age. Some also received thimerasol flu shots.

Waiting for the 9/30/2005 DSM IV numbers. I bet (pure speculation) that we see another decline at 9/30/2005 and then a spike at 12/31/2005 due to the timing of the flu shot.

Vera

Cregar <diana.cregar@...> wrote:

"I just think that the drug companies donate the psychotropic type drugs to the disaster victims so that there aren't lawsuits when these people come off of these meds cold turkey and become suicidal or homicidal or both. Now, having said that, I do hope that if there is a disaster where I live, that my sons who are on a lot of different drugs would be able to access them somehow. Just my thoughts."Karla Kay Akinshttp://libertyscholars.com

Perhaps I should introduce myself to the group (I apologize for the length). I joined the EOHarm group about three weeks ago. I do not have an affected child (my children were born in 1985 and 1986), although my nephew born in 1992 is diagnosed autistic. Hayden was in the first birth cohort to receive a Hep B shot at birth. My sister now believes that his current neurological condition is the combination! of thimerosal triggered by his MMR. Not being convinced that this is all just a miscalculation of mercury microgram conversation, I became very interested in vaccine distribution to specific populations (particularly to Mexico, the Philippians, and Central America, 1986-1990) and by whom.

My educational background is in the field of Urban and Regional Planning with a concentration in environmental science. Upon graduation from Eastern Michigan University (EMU), I began my career as a Geographic Information Systems (GIS) Specialist. I currently work at a small institute within EMU. Essentially GIS is the ability to take tabular databases and create spatial maps for high-powered analysis by geography. GIS allows a user to incorporate many different data sources and register that information in layers to answer complex geographic questions. GIS is the background for every CSI episode produced. My political science and Geographic Information Systems background in combination with the thimerosal and autism research has given a definite twist in the subject matter - particularly when you add the VeriChip subdermal GPS/GIS tracking technology and the July 2005 appointed of Bush's former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services and past Governor of Wisconsin, Tommy , to the Board of Directors of the VeriChip Corporation. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364 Tommy gets his chip: http://www.verichipcorp.com/news/1121662800

The story of thimerosal and autism has been, as Mark Blaxill so vividly expressed, "like reading a "bad" novel I just couldn't put down." As for Evidence of Harm, it is very strange almost surreal to read a book that defines four years of your research written by a man you never met. As I turned the pages of Evidence of Harm written by Kirby, every page contained a memory. The book did not contain a report, hearing transcript, memo, or newspaper clipping that I do not have filed in my office. It was the book I thought I would write. It was a book I tried to write several times. (Thank-you !). 's schedule brings him to Ypsilanti on October 28th for an event sponsored by the Michigan Chiropractic Association (MCA) http://michiganchiropractic.org/. I will be presenting our GIS autism/mercury research as a panelist following 's presentation. Eastern Michigan University is located in Ypsilanti and the Marriott/Eagle Crest Conference Center is considered part of our campus.

My concern regarding medical distribution during this FEMA healthcare emergency comes from the following; since the summer of 2001, I have been very interested in vaccine distribution, vaccine injury distribution and post 9/11 vaccine legislation. Although this sounds like paranoia from the right, the events of the summer of 2001 and post 9/11 legislation has required me to investigate the government's power to force vaccinate in a healthcare emergency. The Katrina/Rita Hurricanes are our first declared healthcare emergency post 9/11. In ! the aftermath, the CDC and FEMA have initiated a mass vaccination program targeted to a specific population and geographic region under a declared healthcare emergency. As I stated in my original post, it will be impossible to ever scientifically prove the theory of vaccine induced "Hurricane Katrina Syndrome" because of the exposure to so many other environmental toxins.

At the end of July 2001, I was one of more than 13,000 GIS geeks that attended the Environmental Science Research Institute (ESRI) International User Conference in San Diego, California www.esri.com. ESRI hosts the largest geographic information systems (GIS) conference in the world. This event brought people from almost every conceivable employment sector, from 135 countries, representing tribal, federal, state, and local government, industry, nonprofit, academia, K-12 education, news media, and other sectors. The Conference is a forum for people like me who are teaching, conducting educational research, and supporting education in a content area such as environmental science, geography, history, science, or mathematics. I also teach GIS technology in an after-school program to 6th-8th grade students.

During the conference proceedings I wandered into the Department of Defense's booth to be educated on the use of GIS in the event of a bioterrorist attack http://www.geoplace.com/gw/2002/0203/0203gngs.asp. The application used ArcView (ESRI software) and CATS - Consequence Assessment Tool Set software. The CATS assesses the consequences of technological and natural disasters to population, resources and infrastructure. Hazards accounted for in CATS range from natural disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes, to technological disasters such as industrial accidents, terrorism and acts of war. CATS combines state-of-the-art hazard and consequence prediction, digital databases and a Geographic Information System (GIS) within an easy-to-learn Graphical User Interface (GUI). Developed under the guidance of the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) and the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), CATS provides significant assistance in emergency managers' training, exercises, contingency planning, logistical planning and calculating requirements for humanitarian aid.

This particular GIS application showcased at the Conference was to be used by emergency personnel and FEMA to shut down a city in response to a Smallpox or Anthrax threat. The application had geographically referenced vaccination facilities complete with lockdowns & quarantine stations for the protection of US citizens. The application also included road blocks and checkpoints to prevent citizens from leaving designated areas.

GIS has been around the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for quite a while, but it was during and after Hurricane , in 1992, that its full potential began to emerge. Inspired by the avid use of this technology by the South Florida Water Management District, FEMA deployed its first GIS capability at the Miami Disaster Field Office and worked closely with the State of Florida in using the technology to support that disaster.

In the aftermath of the "experience", GIS began to take a more cohesive shape within FEMA. FEMA began to use GIS based hurricane wind and earthquake damage estimation models. In 1993, FEMA first used real-time flood extent information on GIS maps during the mid-west floods. In 1994, FEMA employed GIS during the California earthquakes. It was soon after this that FEMA management recognized the need to further organize and structure the GIS support capabilities of the Agency. To this end, in 1994, FEMA formed the GIS Applications Branch in the Information Technology Services Directorate (ITSD). Under the management of the ITSD GIS Applications Branch, the Mapping and Analysis Center (MAC) was designed and developed as a state-of-the-art GIS laboratory to support the Emergency Support Team (EST) and the Response and Recovery Directorate.

Since that time, I have spent many waking hours downloading every Governmental Reform Hearing transcript, scientific report, and newspaper clipping that I could find on autism, vaccines, smallpox, and anthrax. It was like turning over a rock and watching the bugs squirm from the light of day. Beginning in 1999, as states revealed skyrocketing rates of autism spectrum disorder among children along with rising unexplained Gulf War Syndrome cases being reported by military forces, the media began to explore the medical controversy in print and broadcast reports. These debilitating neurologic! al illnesses prompted a series of Government Reform Hearings into a wide range of vaccine issues by Congressman Dan Burton, then Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee. Congressman Burton, a staunch conservative from Indiana, who as many of you know, is grandfather of an autistic child and he believes his grandson's condition was vaccine induced. The investigations included the problems in the involuntary military vaccine immunization program as well as the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

In a recent post, Vera stated that Aventis Pasteur has taken down all references by lot and/or serial number and her statement that so far, all of the ASD two year olds she had met either (1) have a mother that received flu shots or (2) received a lot of Aventis Pasteur HIB and DTaP vaccines. Sanofi-Aventis has donated 200,000 doses of flu shots for hurricane victims. The doses are on their way to health departments in areas that are housing hurricane evacuees (the Aventis Pasteur flu shot still contains 25 micrograms of mercury.)

In response to Vera's post, I started following and posting FEMA medical distribution articles - particularly from Aventis Pasteur and Eli Lilly ( H.W. Bush sat on Lilly's board of directors in the 1970s, appointed by the father of the future Vice President Dan Quayle who owned controlling interest in the corporation), with distribution from AmeriCares (Barbara Bush, the ambassador-at-large for AmeriCares and Prescott Bush, brother to H.W. Bush, was a member of the Advisory Committee of AmeriCares) http://www.americares.org/newsroom?id=6, and Pat on's Operation Blessing (FEMA's no. 2 choice for cash donations) http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1112518 & page=1 & CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312. This also allowed me to follow up on research I had completed on "humanitarian aid" distribution by these organizations during the Iran-Contra era of the 1980s - and theories about the 2004 flu vaccine shortage with Aventis Pasteur being the sole provider of the flu shot distributed by AmeriCares. In my posts on this is! sue, I deliberately left out commentary, but tried hard to contribute current information that followed my train of thought - understanding that it is all dependant on your view of thimerosal and the distribution of the flu vaccine - some people believe this is necessary and does more good than harm. http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2 & item_no=54109 & version=1 & template_id=43 & parent_id=19 http://biz./prnews/050915/nyth109.html?.v=23

The combination of a thimerosal flu shot donated by Aventis Pasteur that is distributed by AmeriCares http://www.americares.org/newsroom/?id=22 and the donation of Prozac, Zyprexa, and Strattera by Eli Lilly http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050914/BUSINESS/509140431/1003 is well...just interesting.

"Investigation the Spatial Relationships Between Environmental Toxins and Autism Spectrum Disorders"

Due to a marked increase in the incidence of Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) over the last few decades, my GIS research is an integral component of a long-term effort to support geospatial analysis of autism-related data, adopting a Space-Time Information System (STIS). The long-range goal is to build a consortium of agencies and organizations that collect data and information on ASDs and environmental conditions, and to coordinate and make available consortium resources to re­searchers investigating the etiology of ASDs.

The project builds a geographic data model using Geographic Information System (GIS) technology and develops a pilot project using California's Department of Developmental Services (CA DDS) Client Development Evaluation Reports (CDER) intake data and EPA mercury release data. The pilot project focuses on Southern California, including Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, and Imperial counties, covering nine CA DDS Regional Centers. The project was made possible by three years of funding from the Doug Flutie, Jr. Foundation for Autism, Inc.

The first objective of the project was the creation a space-time series of individuals receiving services for full-syndrome autism in California. To date, we have successfully created a computer generated map series that illustrates the increase in autism cases for the entire State of California, focusing analysis on Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, and Imperial counties, from 1992 through 2003 across time and geographic locations. The visualization process of making quarterly snapshot maps of the specified areas has been completed.

The overall objective of this project is to refine a Geographic Information System (GIS) tool to compare quarterly prevalence data to environmental toxins that will help examine correlations between higher exposures to specific toxins (mercury) and the development of Autism Spectrum Disorders. These analytical tools will be used to evaluate the statistical and spatial relationships between the presence and use of environmental toxins and the incidence of ASD.

Cregar

GIS Project Specialist

All I can say is it's a reality stranger than fiction!

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of selahdream@...Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:30 AMEOHarm Subject: Just my opinionI just think that the drug companies donate the psychotropic type drugs to the disaster victims so that there aren't lawsuits when these people come off of these meds cold turkey and become suicidal or homicidal or both. Now, having said that, I do hope that if there is a disaster where I live, that my sons who are on a lot of different drugs would be able to access them somehow. Just my thoughts.Karla Kay Akinshttp://libertyscholars.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/08/2005 11:35:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

jenbooks13@... writes:

> LInda, can you ask Dr Lloyd why they're only doing midwest and

> california ticks when the bioweaponized bugs were made on Plum Island

> and are probably most prominent in Connecticut? Seems to me they

> should do ticks in coastal connecticut...and also new jersey where

> there is lots of bartonella. I think its Lesley Fein MD who knows

> about bartonella in NJ. Might as well really get a broad spectrum

> homeopathic.

******My homeopathic MD has spoken to the gentleman who makes these remedies

and you would have to get someone to " collect " the ticks then over night them

to him. I believe that there are folks in Northern California who are doing

this, but I don't know who they are.

*****Jen what is interesting is, I'm from the midwest (Southern Illinois, Ky,

Tenn) but the remedy he is making from Michigan ticks and it worked for me?

I know Dr Loyd, PhD, is from the Seattle area and is having great results from

the Michigan remedy.

*****I suggest you find someone to collect the ticks then pay the expense of

overnighting and whatever else is involved and I will put them in touch with

this man. In the mean time it is CHEAP and sure worth the try to see if it

works for you or not. What have you got to loose but $25.00??? I must say that

the box says no side effects, but I had horrific headaches at the base of my

skull for a couple of days, a few sweats and fever, BUT NOTHING like my other

herxing, which could be because my bug count was so low?? Who knows?

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when ever I read your posts you pull some sort of

hocus pocus treatment and throw it at people on this

board..it is very confusing..I need proof that you can

kill the spirochete and so far there is none..I had

wholistic from the very best and it did not go away..I

think that you may not be stressed right now and that

is why you are not experiencing symptoms..you are very

very confusing and I think the board would

agree..collecting ticks for what? bug counts?critter

counts?does that not sound wierd to you?

eric

--- LymeAngl@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/07/2005 8:19:42 PM US Mountain

> Standard Time,

> eric_s11050@... writes:

>

>

> > gina the body cant kill lyme, that is the truth

> and if

> > you stick to wholistic it wont work to kill the

> > spirochete.I tried that and it did not work..

> > eric

>

> *****Sorry , but you can kill Lyme with

> wholistic/alternative medicine.

> PLUS, if you make the body strong enough and make

> drastic changes in your diet

> and clean/flush out your liver, kidneys and colon

> you can get control.......I

> DID and my bug count is " O " ......I'm one happy

> camper.....The thing that

> brought me to the final " O " , as my last 45 days the

> Babesia was at " 4 " and

> Borrelia at " 4 " with Ehrlichia at " O " ......the

> finale happened when I took Enliv'n

> and the nice thing is I only had to take 1/2 the

> dose that you purchase.

> Enliv'n is made fresh from ticks collected in

> Michigan.....they collect the ticks

> nightly on a white sheet and every morning they make

> the Enliv's dissolvable

> tablet (under the tongue).

> You take #1 on Monday #3 on Wednesday #5 on

> Friday and #7 on Sunday.

> Then you wait and if you need the second dose you do

> it the same way. The

> Homeopathic treatment is only $25.00. They thought

> it was only going to work on

> Borrelia, but it knocked the rest of the Babesia out

> of me. as well as

> fatigue, brain fog, tired eyes, joint pain,

> depression, and general weakness.

>

> Dr Loyd is selling it on his website, :::::::

> Royal Rife Home Page Index

> http://www.royalrife.com/ ::::::::::: or if you live

> in Phoenix, you can buy

> it from my Homeopathic, MD. The only sides I had

> was a horrific headache on

> Tuesday, with fever going from 101 degrees, dropping

> to 97 degrees and leveling

> off at

> 99 degrees. I did have some aching, but very

> minimal. Bear in mind that my

> critter count was very low I began I began the

> Enliv'n. From what I am

> understanding the folks in California are collecting

> ticks for him to make them a

> remedy. Interestingly enough the Minnesota strain

> knocked mine out of me.

>

> I'm still on the Hydrogen Peroxide/DMSO IV's weekly

> to continue to get rid of

> the Mycoplasma, which BTW they have found is

> sexually transmitted. There is

> an article on my message board about it. This

> doesn't surprise me, as I hear

> Lida Mattman and Joan Whitaker have been finding

> Mycoplasma in foods on our

> store shelves.....<SIGH> Bottom-line, these

> bastards are determined to weaken

> our immune systems, so that they can kill 60 million

> with their newly created

> " flu " .......NO, I HAVE NEVER AND WILL NOT GO NEAR

> FLU SHOTS!!! I use

> Homeopathic remedies, Vit C and two drops of 3%

> hydrogen peroxide in each ear nightly

> before going to sleep. I'm still maintaining some

> of my protocol, such as

> the Samento, CS, nutrition,

> herbal/vitamins/remedies.

>

> What cracks the hell out of me is, last year we lost

> approximately 27 people

> with West Nile here in Arizona, BUT my Homeopathic

> MD treated over 20 with

> West Nile and they are all alive and well. One of

> those included his

> administrator/nurse......The key is the right IV's

> and remedies, NOT antibiotics, which

> is what they do when you hit the ER!!! West Nile is

> NOT bacterial, so why the

> hell they give antibiotics is beyond me????? BTW,

> several of these had

> West Nile Meningitis and Encephalitis......In

> defense of the ER doctors and

> those docs calling in orders, they do NOT have a

> clue how to treat these sorts

> of things with alternatives, which BTW work every

> time.

>

> I thank GOD daily that I have such a GREAT

> Homeopathic, MD, as I stated

> above, I DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS and I have had a

> weaken immune for over

> 30 years.....

>

> At any rate I'm symptom free from Lyme

> disease.....took me almost 3 years to

> get here. I have done nothing but alternatives and

> a whole host of

> modalities, with nutrition, homeopathic remedies,

> IV's, PhotonGenie, etc., etc., etc.

>

> I also know that it is still in my body, but we have

> stopped the mutation

> and my counts are at " O " .....:::::::dancing a jig

> here:::::::::: For the

> record, during this IV protocol, my Homeopathic MD,

> used it on several CFS and those

> patients are symptom free, two of them for the first

> time in 30 years. He is

> continuing his study and all the patients that are

> following my protocol are

> responding to it. there are several on this list

> particularly, which have

> made fun of my protocol and doctors method of

> diagnosing and treatment, but let

> me tell you, I would go through it again if I had to

> or if I ever have to......

>

> My biggest problem now is the asthma, emphysema,

> COPD and post-polio

> syndrome. Of course the lung problems are hindered

> by (5) strains of Mycoplasma,

> whose numbers are dropping.....I'm excited.....one

> thing at a time.

>

> I'm with you GINA......I'll take our ways any

> day.....

>

> Just for the record......I support anyone's choice

> of treatment, it just

> isn't " my " way. My way worked for me, thank you

> Lord!!!

>

> Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and

> walk with the angels,

> holding hands in the " chain of love " .....

>

> Angel Huggzz

> or Angel

>

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Unfortunately it's already October here...although it has been warm,

but the nymphs that are most likely to carry the various bugs are

most active May-August...by now, its adults out there...I'm not sure

how many adults you'd have to collect to get the bugs, whereas you

can be sure with a bunch of nymphs you'll get them all. May have to

wait until next spring.

>

> In a message dated 10/08/2005 11:35:55 AM US Mountain Standard

Time,

> jenbooks13@h... writes:

>

>

> > LInda, can you ask Dr Lloyd why they're only doing midwest and

> > california ticks when the bioweaponized bugs were made on Plum

Island

> > and are probably most prominent in Connecticut? Seems to me they

> > should do ticks in coastal connecticut...and also new jersey

where

> > there is lots of bartonella. I think its Lesley Fein MD who knows

> > about bartonella in NJ. Might as well really get a broad spectrum

> > homeopathic.

>

> ******My homeopathic MD has spoken to the gentleman who makes these

remedies

> and you would have to get someone to " collect " the ticks then over

night them

> to him. I believe that there are folks in Northern California who

are doing

> this, but I don't know who they are.

>

> *****Jen what is interesting is, I'm from the midwest (Southern

Illinois, Ky,

> Tenn) but the remedy he is making from Michigan ticks and it worked

for me?

> I know Dr Loyd, PhD, is from the Seattle area and is having great

results from

> the Michigan remedy.

>

> *****I suggest you find someone to collect the ticks then pay the

expense of

> overnighting and whatever else is involved and I will put them in

touch with

> this man. In the mean time it is CHEAP and sure worth the try to

see if it

> works for you or not. What have you got to loose but $25.00??? I

must say that

> the box says no side effects, but I had horrific headaches at the

base of my

> skull for a couple of days, a few sweats and fever, BUT NOTHING

like my other

> herxing, which could be because my bug count was so low?? Who

knows?

>

> Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and walk with the

angels,

> holding hands in the " chain of love " .....

>

> Angel Huggzz

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Hello tklem2075@...,

In reference to your comment:

è again since I was who started this I need to say that I

è am in the medical feild and although I have not read on

è alot of the things metioned this is once again my

è opinion.. Some of the holistic things that I have read do

è not sound health and do not sound rational like I said I

è am going to spend some time looking them up but I

è just do't know. Also what evidence or studies have

è been done to prove this theory of all natural not putting

è down just intrested to learn. Thanks

*******.....I was an oncology nurse and have 40 years experience in

medicine.

I was allopathic trained and totally BRAIN WASHED.....I was once where you

are in my beliefs about alternative vs allopathic medicine.......Yes, it pissed

me off as I had to almost die (lost part of a lung) before I WOKE UP and

realized that the allopathic world had brain washed me. It wasn't allopathic

medicine that made me well.....in fact not once, not twice but FIVE times

allopathic medicine almost killed me and I came running back to alternatives.

In order

to make sure I have medical coverage for trauma and/or surgeries, I have been

forced to maintain a PCP and allopathic doctors.

Each time the screwed me up, it was the alternatives that saved my life.

Bacterial infections, nanobacterial infections, Lyme disease, EVERYTHING but

surgeries I have used Homeopathy as my choice of medicine.

******It took me several years before I finally realized that I had been TOO

close minded about treating a body " holistically " and how important it is to

treat the CAUSE and NOT the symptom, which is what allopathic does for the most

part. However, allopathics have not be taught to treat the cause. Plus, I

am not saying you are being close minded, but I sure was at one time....<sigh>

******Like I said before, I will support a persons choice of treatment, but I

have to say, it breaks my heart to watch folks suffer unnecessarily. Been

there, done it and got a closet full of tee shirts.....

******My alternative medicine began in 1977 and it took me loosing part of a

lung and almost dying in 1981 to WAKE-UP. Then I would slip back into the

allopathic box and trust them again, only to find myself in a dying state once

again.

*****When I was diagnosed with Cancer in 2002, the allopathic boys, including

my old Oncology boss at Hospital tried for weeks to get me to let them

cut into my lung and breast to see what type of Cancer it was, so they would

know what kind of chemo treatment to use. I said NO WAY, besides I would not

do chemotherapy and/or radiation, so what was the point of cutting into cancer

cells and running the risk of spreading the Cancer cells????!!!

********I began an aggressive protocol for treating Cancers and those IV's,

etc., etc., is what chased the critters to the surface on my other breast and

throat, which I had to have surgically removed. The one on my throat was

coiled down around my carotid artery and it took 4 1/2 hours to cut it out.

******The next thing I knew I was not only treating Cancers but Lyme disease

with Babesia, Ehrlichia and (5) strains of Mycoplasmas, along with Systemic

Lupus, Rheu matoid Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Sjogrens, Chronic Candida, Asthma,

Emphysema, COPD and Congestive Failure, which I was diagnosed with before the

Lyme and

CO-infections..... Treating my problems is like bowling and taking one pin

down at a time. The Cancers are gone, the Lyme is gone, I am symptom free of

Systemic Lupus, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Candida. The Sjogrens is cured and now

we are dealing with the Asthma, Emphysema, COPD and Post-Polio Syndrome.

*******Alternative holistic integrated medicine, is NOT a quick fix. In a

lot of cases you get worse before you get better...... Sometimes it take years

to achieve what you need to achieve using alternative methods and modalities.

After all it took me yearsssssss to trash my body with drinking, partying,

HORRIBLE diet, sucking down a pot of coffee a day, eating fast foods, using a

microwave, using frozen foods, smoking and on and on and on. How I survived

my life style I don't know. I guess because I thought I was a nurse that I

would never be sick and always had the best docs around me.....WRONG However,

it

wasn't the allopathics that have gotten me well!!! It has been the

alternative medicine that gave me back my life, and for that I will be eternally

grateful. I thank GOD daily for showing me the path to wellness and waking me

up.

*****Sorry to disappoint you , BUT I have learned over the years to

listen to my body and I know I am Lyme symptom free. I will keep up the

aggressive

protocol for several months, until we feel I can let go of it, and in the

mean time I am enjoying every minute of my wellness journey.

******As of now my goals are to continue to support and help Lyme patients,

while continuing to build www.leaparizona.com. and my message boards. We are

have applied for our 502 © 3 and awaiting our status.

Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and walk with the angels,

holding hands in the " chain of love " .....

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,

One of the most frustrating things about the current Lyme disease situation

is that the " science " and " research " currently available support the theory

that a short course of antibiotics cures Lyme disease. While there are

studies out there that indicate, or prove depending on your viewpoint, that

the Bb is not eradicated after antibiotics that research is published in

less visible medical journals and often discredited by doctors. SO - even

those of us on long term antibiotics are using some form of experimental

medicine. Even with conventional antibiotics the doctors are learning from

anecdotal evidence often from their patients who learn about it from other

Lyme disease victims.

Much (though not all) of alternative medicine has research to support their

ideas as well. But due to their ideas not being mainstream, like long term

antibiotics, they're often routinely dismissed out of hand.

If you're interested in Natural Medicine of any kind, I HIGHLY recommend

seeing a Naturopathic Doctor. These docs are usually quite willing to

explain why things work and the research behind different treatments. You

may find that the research doesn't measure up to your standards, or that it

all seems too weird for you to be comfortable with. But relying on a

trained and educated ND for information about alternatives is a much better

way to go than learning from folks in support groups or searching over the

Internet.

I've included a list of Naturopathic Colleges below. These are a great way

to learn more about alternative approaches to health!

=)

Robynn

Bastyr University - WA

Look under " Healthcare "

http://www.bastyr.edu/

National College of Naturopathic Medicine - OR

Look under " Clinics "

http://www.ncnm.edu

The Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine - Canada

Look under " The Clinic "

http://www.ccnm.edu/

Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine - AZ

Look under " Medical Center "

http://www.scnm.edu/naturopathic_school.html

University of Bridgeport College of Naturopathic Medicine - CT

Look under " Clinic "

http://www.bridgeport.edu/pages/3240.asp

Re: [ ] Just my opinion......(reply)

again since I was who started this I need to say that I am in the medical

feild and although I have not read on alot of the things metioned this is

once again my opinion.. Some of the holistic things that I have read do not

sound health and do not sound rational like I said I am going to spend some

time looking them up but I just do't know. Also what evidence or studies

have been done to prove this theory of all natural not putting down just

intrested to learn. Thanks