Re: Re: Just Joined where is the flush/long answer

[Guest guest]

> Amber, Your remarks are fascinating. I have had my gallbladder out.

> it was necrotic and had basically just died there in it's tracks.

> have not had any serious issues hus far with anything I have eaen,

> but I want to make sure that I am informed. So that being the case,

> do you know of any literatutre about diet management, liver

> management, or flushing the liver, without the presence of the

> gallbladder?? I had not read that about needing to supplement bile

> salts. Are there any other nuggets of dietary information you can

> pass along?

>

> I have heard of the potential for continued development of stones

> from the liver, and I am intersted in avoiding that. I have heard

> from others who might be suffering from this as well.

Yes, I've also read that the body continues to manufacture stones in the

liver. My information is for people who still have their gallbladders. I'm

sorry you had to have surgery, but sometimes it's absolutely necessary. My

only advice would be for you to join a group specifically geared to people

who have had the surgery. Stay here, too, if you wish. Gads, I suggested

this once before to someone and they thought I meant they needed to drop out

of here, so let me make that perfectly clear. There may be others in this

group who could provide advice, so I do not mean for you to drop from here.

Just check out some other groups for people who have had surgery and see if

you can get any help there. I'd also recommend you visit with a

naturopathic doctor. I did and it was a big help to me.

Amber

[Guest guest]

If you are looking to bolster your liver/optimize its' efficiency you

may want to follow up on info for a parasite cleanse - Dr Hulda

has a good one.

Good luck

FB

PS

If you are not having any dietary issues after removal of gall bladder

tread lightly with introducing any enzymes - my father had his GB

removed 35 years ago and has never missed it or taken any action to

compensate

cheers

On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:43 PM, margo_ledbetter wrote:

> Amber, Your remarks are fascinating. I have had my gallbladder out.

> it was necrotic and had basically just died there in it's tracks.

> have not had any serious issues hus far with anything I have eaen,

> but I want to make sure that I am informed. So that being the case,

> do you know of any literatutre about diet management, liver

> management, or flushing the liver, without the presence of the

> gallbladder?? I had not read that about needing to supplement bile

> salts. Are there any other nuggets of dietary information you can

> pass along?

>

> I have heard of the potential for continued development of stones

> from the liver, and I am intersted in avoiding that. I have heard

> from others who might be suffering from this as well.

>

> Thank you for your response.

>

>

> >

> >

> > > So what is the flush so far have read about grapefruit juice or

> lemon

> > > Juice on other sites

> > >

> > > Rob

> >

> > Here's something I've published here several times:

> >

> > Ok, typical CYA statement: This is what I did. Not saying anyone

> > else should. Each person needs to do what they feel best for

> > themselves. Some people think doctors are God; others are more

> > independent thinkers and try to decide what's best for themselves.

> > >

> > > The gallbladder (GB) serves a purpose in the body and should be

> > retained if at all possible. Most people have stones and never have

> > a problem because of them. Some are actually discovered during

> > medical tests for other issues. Even if a person has what is

> > considered a GB attack, it may not actually be the GB causing the

> > problem. Most doctors will automatically say that the person should

> > just have their GB removed. I had a GB attack March 12, 2006, and

> > was in ER. Tests should that I had " innumerable stones. " My Dr.

> > wanted me to have surgery and I said, " Wait a minute; I'm going home

> > and doing some studying first. " I have now done 3 GB purges and

> > started passing stones. To this day, I am still passing stones! I

> > started saving them in the freezer after the first month and ended

> up

> > with three 2 oz. containers in the freezer. That's larger than my

> > GB. Therefore, I'm passing old stones and now newly formed stones.

> > People make stones all the time. My ducts are now open from the

> > purges I did and the herbs I'm taking, so the new stones can pass

> > out. I have had no pain since the initial attack. Many people who

> > have an attack will never have another one. The GB serves a major

> > purpose in the body. It helps to emulsify fats. When the GB is

> > removed, bile constantly drips, thereby increasing a person's risk

> of

> > cancer.

> > >

> > > I did 3 GB purges, have been taking A-F Beta Food by Standard

> > Process, milk thistle (for the liver), OregaMax (an antifungal),

> > changed my diet. After a GB attack, people should limit meat and

> > eggs. Beets are very helpful. I also take Probiotics (from the

> > refrigerator section of a health food store). I took a lot of

> > different herbs and supplements as recommended by my N.D. but can't

> > remember them all now. If your relatives wish to consult with her,

> > let me know and I'll see if she will provide info via email.

> > >

> > > Dr. Mercola's Comment:

> > >

> > > First of all, I believe it is nearly criminal what traditional

> > medicine is doing to our public when it comes to managing this

> > problem. It is RARELY ever indicated to remove someone's

> gallbladder.

> > If one ignores warning symptoms and does not address the reasons why

> > their gallbladder is not functioning properly, than the disease can

> > progress to the point where the pancreas is inflamed or the

> > gallbladder is seriously infected and may have to be removed to save

> > a person's life. However, it is important to have a proper

> > perspective here. Nearly ONE MILLION gallbladders are removed every

> > year in this country and it is my estimate that only several

> thousand

> > need to come out.

> > >

> > > So, not only are surgeons removing these organs unnecessarily, but

> > in their nutritional ignorance they are telling patients that their

> > gallbladders do not serve any purpose and they can live perfectly

> > well without them. This is a lie. The gallbladder serves an

> important

> > digestive function. It is required to emulsify fats. What is

> > emulsification? One can easily understand this concept when washing

> > greasy dishes. It is nearly impossible to properly clean greasy

> > dishes without soap as the soap emulsifies the fat so it can be

> > removed. Similarly, the gallbladder stores bile and bile acids,

> which

> > emulsify the fat one eats so it can be properly transported through

> > the intestine into the blood stream. Anyone who has had their

> > gallbladder removed will need to take some form of bile salts with

> > every meal for the rest of their life (I use and recommend Beta Plus

> > from Biotics Research), if they wish to prevent a good percentage of

> > the good fats they eat from being flushed down the toilet. If one

> > does not have enough fats in the diet, their entire physiology will

> > be disrupted, especially the ability to make hormones and

> > prostaglandins.

> > >

> > > So, let's get back to the original question. If one has

> gallbladder

> > disease it can be evidenced by:

> > >

> > > 1) Pain when pressing on the gallbladder, which is directly under

> > the last rib on the right on the same plane as one's nipple. This is

> > usually due to gallbladder " sludge " (thick bile).

> > >

> > > 2) Stone on a gallbladder ultrasound.

> > >

> > > 3) Greasy stools that are loose and tend to float to the top of

> > the toilet bowl. This indicates improper fat absorption.

> > >

> > > Then what is the proper course of action?

> > >

> > > Long time readers of this newsletter will be very familiar with

> the

> > essential first step. It is imperative to clean up the diet.

> > >

> > > One has to stop the sugars, and reduce the grains and eliminate

> all

> > fluids but water. The gallbladder is frequently infected when it is

> > diseased so large amounts of good bacteria will also be helpful in

> > correcting the problem. (end Dr. Mercola)

> > >

> > >

> > > The first purge I did was quite involved but it really started the

> > process of my passing stones:

> > >

> > >

> > > Take 3 Lecithin, 3 B-Complex, 3 Hydrangea and 3 BLG-X with each

> > meal. Available at health food stores.

> > >

> > >

> > > Take 2-4 Cascara Sagrada at night to keep bowels clean.

> > >

> > >

> > > Every A.M. and every P.M. take 2 T olive oil mixed with 2 T fresh

> > squeezed lemon juice.

> > >

> > >

> > > 1 tsp. apple cider vinegar in a glass of water or V-8 juice helps

> > to soften stones.

> > >

> > >

> > > Start: Every A.M., noon and P.M. take the above recipe (olive

> > oil/lemon) for 1 week. Plan the next 2 days to be home. Day 7 start

> > eating light foods only. e.g. applesauce, figs, pears, drinking

> apple

> > and other juices, V-8 (in glass bottles not cans). Keep up the olive

> > oil and lemon juice. Days 8 and 9 NO FOOD. Juices only. Apple, V-

> > 8, olive and lemon. Drink up to 1 gallon of juices a day.

> > >

> > >

> > > End of the 9th day about 5:00 p.m. drink 1 cup olive oil mixed

> with

> > 1 cup fresh lemon juice. Immediately go to bed and lay still, on

> > your right side and WAIT. Before too many hours, the stones will

> > start to come out. If you wish to save them, use rubber gloves and

> > place stones in a strainer, rinse and put in a container and freeze

> > them. (I did not start passing stones until the following morning.)

> > >

> > >

> > > This first purge is the most difficult. I did it and it started

> > the process of my stones coming out and they are still coming out.

> > They come out in normal bowel movements and there is no pain

> > involved. After about a month, I did the 3 day purge shown below. I

> > have done a total of 3 purges and don't feel I need to do any more.

> > >

> > >

> > > The Three Day Liver, Gallstone Flush Program

> > > In my humble 20 years of looking at healing methods for the human

> > body, the liver flush is probably one of the most dramatic and

> > successful. Many people have avoided gall bladder operations using

> > this simple and effective technique. The tools you will need for

> this

> > program are:

> > >

> > >

> > > 1 gallon of organic apple juice.

> > > 1 bottle of Phos Food Liquid by Standard Process.

> > > 1 eight ounce bottle of cold pressed virgin olive oil.

> > > 2 whole organic lemons.

> > > herbal laxative.

> > >

> > >

> > > I usually start by drinking one quart or more of apple juice per

> > day adding 45 drops of Phos Food Liquid twice to the apple juice per

> > day (that's 90 drops total of Phos Food Liquid per day). On the

> > evening of the third day, after the last meal, I will mix the eight

> > ounces of olive oil with the juice from the two lemons and drink

> this

> > completely. Then I immediately go to bed and lay on my right side

> > with my knees up to my chest for one half hour.

> > >

> > > The oil travels to the liver and gall bladder, they will spasm and

> > throw off the oil and any gall stones that are present. The next

> > morning I swallow my herbal laxatives to facilitate the exit of the

> > stones, which come out completely soft. (I took mine at night.)

> > >

> > >

> > > Now, a person who is diabetic and cannot use apple juice, may

> > substitute distilled water and take Phos Food Liquid 45 drops in the

> > water three times a day for a total of 135 drops in one day, for

> > three days. Then take olive oil mixed with lemon juice on the

> evening

> > of the third day. But, most important, you must use the Phos Food

> > Liquid in this program. If for some reason you cannot either find or

> > use the Phos Food Liquid, do not attempt the program. Also it is

> > important to use lemon juice from fresh lemons, and not frozen or

> > concentrate. Within a few hours of the liver flush you will feel

> like

> > a new person, reborn. (Phos Food is sold at some health food

> > stores. If not available, call the company direct at: 1-800-231-

> > 8063.)

> > >

> > > Some people may be concerned that stones could be too big, they

> may

> > not easily come out or may even get stuck on the way out. These

> > purges soften the stones so that they can slip through. In the

> > beginning, the stones I passed were the size of hominy and later on,

> > the size of corn kernels. However, I passed several that were half

> > inch long and some that were 3/4 inch long.

> > >

> > > Doctors don't know everything. I would not submit myself to

> > surgery without investigating other options.

> >

> > Amber

> >

>

>

>

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