Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 > What other things can I do to strengthen my immune system? Any > thoughts are appreciated. > > Thanks so much! > > Here's a website for you to check out: http://www.nsc24.com/questions.htm Beta-Glucans is specifically meant for strengthening the immune system. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hi Fred, Yes, there is a very well developed school of thought that says colds are a natural periodic cleansing reaction, not viral (the supposed common cold virus has never been isolated). They do seem to occur though when under immune suppression. The Traditional Oriental Medicine view is that it is a cold external attack and can be brought on by an excess of cold or wind (put a coat on Junior, or you'll catch your death of cold). This would tend towards the infectious theory. There are several ways to approach immune issues: Direct attack of an invader with substances that are toxic or inhibitive to the pathogen like goldenseal, cinchona, black walnut, quassia, etc. Things that are " stimulative " or increasing of immune response such as the polysaccharides (including the beta glucans mentioned by Amber) or homeopathics. and last but not least the adaptogenic compounds that are long term supportive and building to the functions such as astragalus, eleuthro, cat's claw, etc. The latter being by far the best method over the long term, but rarely effective over the short term. Of the 315 different herbs that I cary and use, if I only could use one, it would be astragalus. This is an herb that most everyone could take everyday for the rest of their life and it would be nothing but good. Eleuthro, cat's claw, ginseng, suma, are all other good choices. The medicinal mushrooms such as ganoderma (ling chi or reishi) cordyceps, shiitake, maitake, etc are also excellent choices. Zinc is essential for immune function. The deficiency of such is pandemic in this country. It is also essential for the function of your tastebuds. Serum tests are completely inaccurate because zinc is being amassed to the area of injury within milliseconds. So when you stick a needle in by the time they start to draw the syringe back there is an abnormally high amount of zinc in the blood at that location. The most accurate test is actually a taste test. You hold zinc sulphate solution in your mouth for a period of time and the taste you endure is indicative of your levels. This is available from health food stores or supplement suppliers. Also of note there is a very obscure herb from New Zealand that at times can be the missing link in candida issues called psuedowinteria colorata (also known as horopito) available from only one company (they have a contract with the government) called Kolorex (company is Forrest herbs if I remember). All the best, -Dave Re: My Liver Cleanse. Off-topic a bit, but a question for Dave (or anyone else)... I use to brag about how I never get a cold. It has been many years since I got a cold or fever. I thought that this was a good thing. However, I just recently learned that this is not good. It is a sign that my immune system is not working properly. In fact I understand that this state is very serious and exposes one to very serious illness. My theory is that due to my long-standing candida (did not know until recently about candida), that the candida is the main culprit on my immune system. I had a hair analysis performed recently that showed that I have high zinc. I had read on the curezone that high zinc in hair means low zinc in the body. So I am going to start on some zinc supplementation. I know that zinc is suppose to help with both candida and the immune system. What other things can I do to strengthen my immune system? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 > Amber, thanks for the info. I will definitely consider it. Have you > taken it or do you know of anyone that has taken it? I have taken it and it's discussed on a TV show I watch: Know the Cause! Their website is: www.knowthecause.com You can get lots of information there. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Because you under under immune suppression would not necessarily equate to getting colds. The fact that you are dealing with candida also does not equate with immune suppression. you can have cadida and a functioning immune response (or over functioning), the problem is that your troops are busy fighting battles with the candida and may miss another invader. There are many aspects to immune function. It is rather a cascade. There is identification of an invader and then there is the response for instance. your response portion can be fine but if the identification portion has a glitch, you never identify an enemy in order to attack. Sleeping with the enemy. So all portion of function must be in proper working order. Identification could be fine but white blood cell production down and then you do not have the troops to fight the war. Identification is so important. When we really have trouble is when we see everything as the enemy including some of our own tissues and then we have an auto immune disorder. Please notice that I do not use the word system. the whole idea of an immune system, cardiovascular system, nervous system is a made up model that in western science we use to describe what we observe and then base how we apply. It is a lousy model in comparison to some others (like Ayurveda, TCM, etc.). It has furthered a myopic view and isolationist policy concerning living organisms. How can you separate the pulmonary " system " from the cardiovascular " system " , when the heart needs so much oxygen and the lungs are essentially an osmotic membrane between the air and blood? How can you separate the nervous system from digestion when the vagus nerve is responsible for digestive function and nerves are built from compounds broken down and assimilated through digestion? Obviously I can go on ad nauseum. So in your particular case Fred, the questions are what are the root causes and how best to approach the balancing act. Since you are hypothyroid you may have decreased immune function from lower metabolism. And then the question would be " why the hypothyroid? " . It could be that there is a hormonal imbalance due to improper fat digestion. On and on, and on. I do not mean to make this confusing or complex, just pointing out that you have to be careful about drawing conclusions. All of these conditions and different therapies have extreme value in a percentage of cases, and no value in others depending on the individual and specific circumstances. Beta glucans are great for increasing the numbers of white blood cells but there are better polysaccharides for cellular identification. Some people have candida due to immune suppression from mercury toxicity, and some have it from an imbalance of intestinal biotics. And then of course it is always a combination of all of the above in different purportions (spelling correct, my sense of humor again) with different people in different circumstances in different " conditions " . You could have elevated white blood cell count because you are dealing with candida and that elevated white blood cell count could actually make you more resistant to other diseases. The flip side is you probably would then have an elevated risk of some type of auto immune response or heightened allergic reactions. I am sorry, I do not expect this last discussion to clear up your questions, in fact I am sure you now have several times more! It is as I tell my students at the beginning of a course, " You come to the course because you have questions about natural health and as each of your questions are answered three more questions will come up. " The expanse of the unknown gets larger not smaller. And of course the expanse of the known also gets larger. This is still true for me 30+ years later. The more I know, the more I know that I don't know. Ignorance is bliss... But boring, and sometimes fatal. Always, in all ways, -Dave Re: My Liver Cleanse. > > > Off-topic a bit, but a question for Dave (or anyone else)... > > I use to brag about how I never get a cold. It has been many years > since I got a cold or fever. I thought that this was a good thing. > > However, I just recently learned that this is not good. It is a sign > that my immune system is not working properly. In fact I understand > that this state is very serious and exposes one to very serious illness. > > My theory is that due to my long-standing candida (did not know until > recently about candida), that the candida is the main culprit on my > immune system. > > I had a hair analysis performed recently that showed that I have high > zinc. I had read on the curezone that high zinc in hair means low zinc > in the body. So I am going to start on some zinc supplementation. I > know that zinc is suppose to help with both candida and the immune > system. > > What other things can I do to strengthen my immune system? Any > thoughts are appreciated. > > Thanks so much! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 > Dave, I am a little confused. You say that colds seem to occur when > under immune suppression. I am concerned because I have NOT had a > cold in a long time. But my assumption is because I am under immune > suppression. I used to have horrible colds, however, I haven't had one for probably over 25 years now. So I must assume that my immune system is functioning pretty well. I don't understand why you would think you have an immune problem if you are healthy. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 You definitely have immune dysfunction. Your obvious dairy intolerance another example. The fact that the sinus problems disappeared indicates that the dairy intolerance was causing a mucoid release as a cleansing reaction which then created the moist environment for the bacteria, not the bacteria creating the mucous. Does that make sense? -Dave Re: My Liver Cleanse. It depends on what you think is healthy. At a minimum, I have candida, thyroid issues, and food allergies (probably all linked). But I have not had a cold or fever in many years. s Moritz states in one of his books that it is a major cause of concern if that is the case. You are at risk for serious diseases. I also have one of Donna Gate's books on candida. I think that she says the same thing. I stopped in and chatted with the owner of my local healthfood store the other day. He said that he had heard the same thing. I used to get sinus infections before I went dairy-free. But nothing since then. Perhaps, I have been lucky or just plain healthy when it comes to fending off colds. But candida is very hard on the immune system and I have had candida for MANY years without knowing what it was. So my GUESS is that the candida has killed my immune system. > > > > > Dave, I am a little confused. You say that colds seem to occur when > > under immune suppression. I am concerned because I have NOT had a > > cold in a long time. But my assumption is because I am under immune > > suppression. > > I used to have horrible colds, however, I haven't had one for probably over > 25 years now. So I must assume that my immune system is functioning pretty > well. I don't understand why you would think you have an immune problem if > you are healthy. > > Amber > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 >I know that everyone's situation is different. But if you are looking > to improve your immune system, would it take days, weeks, or months to > see improvement from this product? Just looking for a general idea of > what to expect. Call 888-541-3997 or go to www.nsc24.com and click on their email form to ask any questions. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 > I never get sick anymore either. And obviously in my case that isnt a > good thing. > That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. I don't get sick any more either and I consider it a blessing. > One of the best ways to help your body overcome candida is to > eliminate the mercury and lead.> >> Brad What about taking natural antifungals? Or prescription if it's that bad. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hair analysis seems to be inversely proportional. The better you eliminate mercury the higher the levels as it is eliminated out of through the hair. Keep in mind though that someone with no or low load of mercury would still have low levels in the hair just because they did not have it to eliminate. Urinary rests only measure the mercury that has been mobilized and is being filtered out by the kidneys. One of the biggest tricks in mercury detox is the mobilization in the first place. It is a bugger to get released from tissue. And of course once mobilized you want it out asap so it does not poison other tissues. Going ahead and doing some type of non invasive detox protocol is always a good idea, keeping in mind that most of the chelating removal methods have their negative sides as well as positive. -D Re: My Liver Cleanse. Speaking of removing mercury. My osteopath had me do an unprovoked urine test. It came back relatively low. So he brushed it off. I had a hair analysis done (on my own) and it came back low to moderately low. The whole idea of testing for mercury is very controversial - non-provoked urine, provoked urine, hair analysis. What is effective and safe? Nobody agrees. Then, just recently I read where some think that the test results should be inverted. That is if you are eliminating a lot then you don't have much in you and vice versa. Enough to drive you crazy! I tend to think that I have more than is showing on the tests because I have not been able to whip candida yet and combine that with the fact that I had amalgams, vaccinations, and a mother loaded with mercury. Maybe the thing to do is bypass the testing thing a go straight to the detox phase! We all have mercury. It is just a matter of how much. > > > > > I never get sick anymore either. And obviously in my case that isnt a > > good thing. > > > That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. I don't get sick any more > either and I consider it a blessing. > > > > One of the best ways to help your body overcome candida is to > > eliminate the mercury and lead.> >> Brad > > What about taking natural antifungals? Or prescription if it's that bad. > > Amber > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 exercise Re: My Liver Cleanse. That does make sense. So the question becomes what has caused this? My guess is that some combination of mercury and candida are the primary culprits. But that is only a guess at this point. In addition to mercury removal and overcoming the candida, what would you recommend to improve my immune system? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > Dave, I am a little confused. You say that colds seem to occur when > > > under immune suppression. I am concerned because I have NOT had a > > > cold in a long time. But my assumption is because I am under immune > > > suppression. > > > > I used to have horrible colds, however, I haven't had one for > probably over > > 25 years now. So I must assume that my immune system is functioning > pretty > > well. I don't understand why you would think you have an immune > problem if > > you are healthy. > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 mat pilates, spinning, weights, more aerobic, tai chi, yoga, eat right, drink mega amounts of water. Re: My Liver Cleanse. Any specific suggestions on the exercise? just walking vs aerobic vs. weight lifting?, light to moderate vs. heavy? I would guess that the wrong type may be ineffective or worse yet, counter-productive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, I am a little confused. You say that colds seem to > occur when > > > > under immune suppression. I am concerned because I have NOT > had a > > > > cold in a long time. But my assumption is because I am under > immune > > > > suppression. > > > > > > I used to have horrible colds, however, I haven't had one for > > probably over > > > 25 years now. So I must assume that my immune system is > functioning > > pretty > > > well. I don't understand why you would think you have an immune > > problem if > > > you are healthy. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 sounds good to me From: Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> Subject: Re: Re: My Liver Cleanse. gallstones Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 12:27 PM mat pilates, spinning, weights, more aerobic, tai chi, yoga, eat right, drink mega amounts of water. Re: My Liver Cleanse. Any specific suggestions on the exercise? just walking vs aerobic vs. weight lifting?, light to moderate vs. heavy? I would guess that the wrong type may be ineffective or worse yet, counter-productive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, I am a little confused. You say that colds seem to > occur when > > > > under immune suppression. I am concerned because I have NOT > had a > > > > cold in a long time. But my assumption is because I am under > immune > > > > suppression. > > > > > > I used to have horrible colds, however, I haven't had one for > > probably over > > > 25 years now. So I must assume that my immune system is > functioning > > pretty > > > well. I don't understand why you would think you have an immune > > problem if > > > you are healthy. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 for right now, drink any...hydrate your body...later on for your house, figure out what you need. Re: My Liver Cleanse. This group had a discussion the other day about drinking water. But I am not sure that we came to a conclusion. I hate to bring it up again, but I will anyway! I have narrowed my choices to R/O and ionized. The ionized folks claim that R/O is too acidic and robs the body of minerals. Any thoughts on this? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, I am a little confused. You say that colds seem to > > occur when > > > > > under immune suppression. I am concerned because I have NOT > > had a > > > > > cold in a long time. But my assumption is because I am > under > > immune > > > > > suppression. > > > > > > > > I used to have horrible colds, however, I haven't had one for > > > probably over > > > > 25 years now. So I must assume that my immune system is > > functioning > > > pretty > > > > well. I don't understand why you would think you have an > immune > > > problem if > > > > you are healthy. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 pure guessing. Are you in good conditioning? Can you run, swim, lift weights? If not, then these actions will increase your immune system. By guessing about the combo of mercury and candida - is just a guess. Take care of the easy and inexpensive improvements first. Re: My Liver Cleanse. That does make sense. So the question becomes what has caused this? My guess is that some combination of mercury and candida are the primary culprits. But that is only a guess at this point. In addition to mercury removal and overcoming the candida, what would you recommend to improve my immune system? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > Dave, I am a little confused. You say that colds seem to occur when > > > under immune suppression. I am concerned because I have NOT had a > > > cold in a long time. But my assumption is because I am under immune > > > suppression. > > > > I used to have horrible colds, however, I haven't had one for > probably over > > 25 years now. So I must assume that my immune system is functioning > pretty > > well. I don't understand why you would think you have an immune > problem if > > you are healthy. > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Probably a poor choice of words. What I meant was that detox is a double edged sword. Things that release and eliminate bad things can also release and eliminate good things. So, just like in dealing with parasites where the stuff used can be a bit toxic to us as it is also toxic to the invading organism, the pros and cons need to be weighed and care considered. A lot of these chelating agents can be hard on us as well as getting the mercury out. Seems to me that the zeolites and chlorophyll containing compounds (chlorella, cilantro, etc.) are probably the least potentially damaging of the compounds. -D Re: My Liver Cleanse. Dave, what do you mean by non-invasive? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > I never get sick anymore either. And obviously in my case that > isnt a > > > good thing. > > > > > That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. I don't get sick > any more > > either and I consider it a blessing. > > > > > > > One of the best ways to help your body overcome candida is to > > > eliminate the mercury and lead.> >> Brad > > > > What about taking natural antifungals? Or prescription if it's > that bad. > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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