Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . -Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Dave, with all of that said, how concerned should I be that I haven't had a cold or fever in many years? How much more likely is someone in my situation to get cancer? > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > -Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Don't go there Fred. The below was to illustrate the point and point out a common scenario. The fact that you have not had any colds in a long time does not make you more prone to cancer. That would mean if you live a healthy non eventful life that you are doomed. Knowing what I do about your situation I do believe that you are on the right track by working on your gallbladder, endocrine, and immune function. Sometimes we have greatly uncomfortable experiences (like a gallbladder attack) that are the stimulus for us to make great changes for the better in our lives. In the immediate moment they seem like hell on earth and in hind sight can be blessings in disguise. It is all dependent on the choices we make and how willing we are to engage the process. gallbladder issues are a good example. When confronted with the attack and if exposed to the natural possibilities, one has a fork in the road. The one to the left is the easy one: Follow the advise of the medical " experts " , go in have it removed and no bucking of the prevailing paradigm. Yeah, you lose the organ but you can live without it (even though not optimally), and besides which you are doing the right thing because the doctor said so. The fork to the right is uncomfortable, time consuming, expensive (sick insurance doesn't pay for it), your doctor rolls his/her eyes at you knowing what a deluded fruitcake you are and your fiends and family know for sure now that you are nuts... So here you are thrown into the fray BEFORE something really nasty shows up, and all these changes and work you are doing is helping so many things in so many ways that you will never be aware of because you headed them off at the pass... As you detox, you may find that you begin to have flu like symptoms, fever, nausea and the like at times and in the moment of misery you can wonder, " maybe this is a good thing " and not take the tylenol for the fever, the anti diarrhea medicine, the cough syrup, etc. All of which the doctor would have recommended. Health and long, but more importantly happy life, -Dave Re: more on immune Dave, with all of that said, how concerned should I be that I haven't had a cold or fever in many years? How much more likely is someone in my situation to get cancer? > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > -Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Dave, thanks so much for your thoughts! I am a worrier by nature. I need to latch on to the positive things that you have pointed out and move forward making every day healthier than the previous. I never thought that I would be wishing for a cold or fever! Thanks again. > > > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually > caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect > example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also > be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not > experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader > they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now > would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In > cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy > as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > > > -Dave > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 One more thought... You mentioned a GB attack as an example of a stimulus. That is exactly what happened to me. I was fortunate enough to have a doctor that did not was to cut out my GB. But the incident led not only to a better understanding of liver/GB health, but to other health issues that I have that I didn't recognize. One thing led to another - mercury, colon health, candida, thyroid, etc. I do recognize the GB attack as a good thing in that regard. I was totally ignorant on most of this stuff until the GB attack. It was in fact my stimilus. > > > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually > caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect > example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also > be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not > experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader > they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now > would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In > cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy > as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > > > -Dave > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hug that little gallbladder for speaking up loud enough for you to here. you ask for enlightenment and you get it, you just don't get to choose how it comes. I am the experiential expert on this one. Ouch. -Dave Re: more on immune One more thought... You mentioned a GB attack as an example of a stimulus. That is exactly what happened to me. I was fortunate enough to have a doctor that did not was to cut out my GB. But the incident led not only to a better understanding of liver/GB health, but to other health issues that I have that I didn't recognize. One thing led to another - mercury, colon health, candida, thyroid, etc. I do recognize the GB attack as a good thing in that regard. I was totally ignorant on most of this stuff until the GB attack. It was in fact my stimilus. > > > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually > caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect > example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also > be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not > experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader > they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now > would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In > cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy > as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > > > -Dave > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 hello - been reading all your correspondence on this site lately. interesting. i am just now discovering how to help myself with my own immune problems @ 40. hence why i starting getting on this site and the cure zone. liver cleanse (all be it have not tried it just yet)  i am working with a DO/MD here in Northern California. I have newly been diagnosised with Hypothyroid. Taking Armour/Synthroid, feeling much better, he also has me taking omega fish oil, and vitiam D, along with Chorella for now. It's all helping. However, I still notice my skin does not heal quickly (asdult acne sometimes) and hair is still falling (slightly) out a bit. Still might need a 'boost' in my meds, but over all I think other supplements for boosting the Immune system is a great thing.  I am in good shape, do yoga, eat organic, and over feel good. I am interested in the adivce to take Astragalus. Will look into this for sure. anyone know of any good books or sites to research on strengthing the immune system with herbs or anything else that might be out there. So much, it's a bit overwhelming.   Thanks for all the advice.  From: fjnie1234 <Fred.Niehaus@...> Subject: Re: more on immune gallstones Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 1:08 PM Dave, thanks so much for your thoughts! I am a worrier by nature. I need to latch on to the positive things that you have pointed out and move forward making every day healthier than the previous. I never thought that I would be wishing for a cold or fever! Thanks again. > > > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually > caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect > example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also > be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not > experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader > they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now > would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In > cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy > as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > > > -Dave > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Wow !! > > > > > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are > actually > > caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a > perfect > > example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can > also > > be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not > > experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an > invader > > they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. > This now > > would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In > > cancer it is very very common to have the person who has > been " healthy > > as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > > > > > -Dave > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 There is a book called " Herbal Defense " written by a teacher/mentor/cohort of mine by the name of KP Khalsa. While he has written several more since then this was his first so it is co written with Robyn Landis, the author of body fueling. While I am not real fond of the writing style (it is like listening to Robyn not KP. Not that is bad I am just use to his style), the information is second to none. This man is by far the best herbalist and educated natural health professional that I know. Great stuff. Should be able to get it through Amazon. -Dave Re: more on immune gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 1:08 PM Dave, thanks so much for your thoughts! I am a worrier by nature. I need to latch on to the positive things that you have pointed out and move forward making every day healthier than the previous. I never thought that I would be wishing for a cold or fever! Thanks again. > > > > I should have also added that many times our " symptoms " are actually > caused by our normal functioning processes. Inflammation is a perfect > example. Mucus, fever, diarrhea at times, are others. So it can also > be that a person does not " get a cold " because they are not > experiencing the eliminatory symptoms from the die off of an invader > they do have because the immune system is not killing it off. This now > would fit into the " colds being a cleansing reaction " theory. In > cancer it is very very common to have the person who has been " healthy > as a horse " be the one who " comes down with it " . > > > > -Dave > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Thanks Dave Do you have your own web site? Are you a DO or Herbalist? From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> Subject: Re: Re: more on immune gallstones Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 6:03 PM There is a book called " Herbal Defense " written by a teacher/mentor/ cohort of mine by the name of KP Khalsa. ,,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hey there, I am an unlicensed heretic. Have a full time practice and teach courses for professionals in herbal medicine, applied kinesiology, and certain " energetic " therapies. No website at this time but not far off. I practice out of necessity (need of service not dollars)... wished I did not have a job. The reality is however that standard medical treatment either falls drastically short in so many areas and in so many ways or is downright destructive, and the natural health industry is full of misinformation. So Dale who is a moderator for this group asked me to join a few years back to add my 2 cents worth (which is now worth less than a penny after the Gov., Fed, and media have had their way with us over the past few days. In case no one has noticed we are about to experience a time in American and human history unprecedented... And the present " bailouts which came from your pocket are but a mere shell game to extend a bit of time... Making accessible natural treatment knowledge all the more important in the years to come. Soon, most of us will not have the option of a gallbladder surgery...). So frequently you good people have to put up with my rantings, ravings, and ramblings... The man below by the way, is one of, if not the most knowledgeable people I know in natural health. Born blind in one eye, legally blind in the other and then diagnosed with a degenerative spinal condition at the age of 10 that was supposed to have him in a wheelchair by 20 and dead by 40... Mid 50's, 20/20 vision, plays a mean game of basketball... I cannot stand in the shadow for the light is too bright. He has now written several books besides the one I mentioned. Good source of information. Always, in all ways, -Dave Re: Re: more on immune gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 6:03 PM There is a book called " Herbal Defense " written by a teacher/mentor/ cohort of mine by the name of KP Khalsa. ,,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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