Thyroid Issues

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J Shoman has a website and also written books about the thyroid

that I've found to be excellent. My book is currently borrowed so

don't have it here. Google her and hopefully you can find out more

info. THere is also a group, believe the name is

Naturalthyroidhormones..if you need to explore this route. Hope this

helps ROse

> > kittycat32707 <slkbrooke@a...> wrote:

> > My daughter recently had a thyroid sonogram and the results show

> > multiple nodules on her thyroid. We go back for a follow-up visit

> to

> > the dr. next week and will decide whether to see an

> endocronologist. I

> > don't know that much about thyroid issues and if anyone has

> experience

> > with this and could make comments, I would really appreciate it.

>

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But ordinarily someone must have the recessive gene for Hashi's...if

you read some other posts..you can see that i speculate that

implants can trigger the disease. an environmental trigger.

My only concern would be explant when adequate treatment with

thyroid hormone could alleviate symptoms. adequate hashi's

treatment is sadly lacking in our country.

cindi

>

> Cindi,

> I guess I'd have to say that your speculations are not true in

my case.

>

> I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's 4 years after explant. It

didn't show up right away, but then again, perhaps the docs

neglected to test me for it. In any case, prior to implant, I had

no symptoms of illness at all. I was healthy to the point of never

getting sick at all. Before getting implants, the last time I could

even remember being sick with a cold or flu was in 1987--fully 10

years before!

>

> Nobody in my family has any thyroid problems. I am the only one.

>

> I just find it hard to believe that the implants (in my case)

didn't start the cascade that led to full blown autoimmune thyroid

disease.

> Patty

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Alleviating symptoms is only one reason for explant. There are many others. I would hate to just be putting bandaids on my illness knowing that down the road things could get really ugly. I guess I just don't understand the willingness to take risks with health. Considering the fact that women have not only lost everything they hold dear to them, including careers, financial stability, homes, husbands, children, and the joy of living itself, but also have DIED due to implants, I find it hard to take any other stance than removal as the proper course of action. Implants are deceptive devices. They do not cure, they do not promote health, they do not bring true happiness or joy, they do nothing but create a false sense of satisfaction. This false sense of satisfaction is fleeting. It won't last. Implants need to be

replaced in time. They can rupture or leak. There is no opportune or convenient time to experience a rupture or leak. That means they are time bombs waiting to go off. Even if they don't rupture or leak, you still have to plan for future surgery. And surgery is no picnic for your body. They can bring on severe illness on short notice. We've had lots of women tell us how quickly they became ill with new symptoms developing daily, even years after receiving implants. I am not saying that in every case the implants cause these diseases. But I can say with a great amount of confidence that the implants do not HELP a woman attain a state of health, and if the body is weakened and not able to tolerate the implants, just the presence of the implants can create stress which takes the body down fast. I am in no way trying to convince you to remove your

implants or make you feel uncomfortable with being on our group with your implants. But I am trying to bring a sense of truth to the issue. There are lots of reasons to get rid of implants. They just do not belong in a body, even if you can tolerate them for a period of time. And most of all, they should not be used by women who have yet to go through their childbearing years. The numbers of children who have to suffer as a result of their mother having implants SHOULD BE ZERO. That is not the case! There are children around the wolrd who are suffering from mysterious and debilitating health issues because their mothers got implants! This is tragic. The more women that run around trying to tolerate implants in their body, the more we widen the path of deception that harms even the most innocent among us. Implants are just plain unnecessary at the least, dangerous and

murderous at their worst. Patty cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: But ordinarily someone must have the recessive gene for Hashi's...if you read some other posts..you can see that i speculate that implants can trigger the disease. an environmental trigger. My only concern would be explant when adequate treatment with thyroid hormone could alleviate symptoms. adequate hashi's treatment is sadly lacking in our country. cindi __________________________________________________

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I don't disagree with all you've said. in fact I agree with most of

it...except I can not agree that there is any benefit to me at this

time to have implants removed. In fact, i know beyond any shadow of

a doubt that would be a bad decision for my health at this time.

One does not undo the kind of health I have achieved by risking

unnecessary surgery for a problem that doesn't exist yet.

I guess I do find your attitude on this a bit extremist...but i'm

sure it's understandable given what you've seen and heard. I'd

adamant that hypo be treated properly given what I've seen and

heard. Undertreated/untreated hypo women have lost the very same

things you have described. It can destroy lives and affect future

health. But I would hate for someone to undergo explant if their

problem was just untreated/undertreated hypo for example...women

need to have enough information to make informed decisions for

themselves.

cindi

>

> Alleviating symptoms is only one reason for explant. There are

many others. I would hate to just be putting bandaids on my illness

knowing that down the road things could get really ugly. I guess I

just don't understand the willingness to take risks with health.

>

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Cindi,

I can almost guarantee that in 5 years you will be saying the same

things we are. You are just not there yet, and I think I see some

degree of denial in your posts.

Lynda

At 10:45 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>I don't disagree with all you've said. in fact I agree with most of

>it...except I can not agree that there is any benefit to me at this

>time to have implants removed. In fact, i know beyond any shadow of

>a doubt that would be a bad decision for my health at this time.

>One does not undo the kind of health I have achieved by risking

>unnecessary surgery for a problem that doesn't exist yet.

>

>I guess I do find your attitude on this a bit extremist...but i'm

>sure it's understandable given what you've seen and heard. I'd

>adamant that hypo be treated properly given what I've seen and

>heard. Undertreated/untreated hypo women have lost the very same

>things you have described. It can destroy lives and affect future

>health. But I would hate for someone to undergo explant if their

>problem was just untreated/undertreated hypo for example...women

>need to have enough information to make informed decisions for

>themselves.

>

>cindi

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Alleviating symptoms is only one reason for explant. There are

>many others. I would hate to just be putting bandaids on my illness

>knowing that down the road things could get really ugly. I guess I

>just don't understand the willingness to take risks with health.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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Cindi, I understand your point on not wanting an unessassary surgery. However, what if your implants are contaminated with fungus or mold or even a breakdown of the silicone shell? You could be deteriorating inside and not have any recogizable symptoms yet. I had mine for six years, and I did not have any symptoms that I thought was related to my implants. I was diagnosed with the autoimmune illness of the bladder, called Interstitial Cystitis. Had I known this was a red flag of my ticking time bomb, I would have explanted at this diagnosis, 3-4 years ago. Because I had not noticed the warning signs, my debilitating symptoms came on almost overnight three years later. Within weeks I could not write, type, walk, exercise, work. I still can't do any of these without pain and fatigue. I am currently contemplating filing for disability because I still cannot work. I

have lost so much to those implants. I was explanted in Feb of this year. Cindi, can you try to imagine what your life would be like 6 month or a year from now if you don't consider your body may be warning you now? I know you feel you have the thyroid thing undercontrol, but what about your body as a whole, your thyroid treatments arent going to help all your liver, kidneys, bladder, nerves, brain, or any other area that may be affected also. We care about you dear Cindi. Please keep an open mind, and keep posting here. We welcome your wealth of knowledge and your are an important addition to our support system. I wish there was a way you could keep your implants and stay healthy, but alot of us haven't seen that senerio. It is so hard to say what is going on in your body, if anything at all. How much of your life are you willing to sacrifice for your implants? Have a good day, cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: I don't disagree with all you've said. in fact I agree with most of it...except I can not agree that there is any benefit to me at this time to have implants removed. In fact, i know beyond any shadow of a doubt that would be a bad decision for my health at this time. One does not undo the kind of health I have achieved by risking unnecessary surgery for a problem that doesn't exist yet. I guess I do find your attitude on this a bit extremist...but i'm sure it's understandable given what you've seen and heard. I'd adamant that hypo be treated properly given what I've seen and heard. Undertreated/untreated hypo women have lost the very same things

you have described. It can destroy lives and affect future health. But I would hate for someone to undergo explant if their problem was just untreated/undertreated hypo for example...women need to have enough information to make informed decisions for themselves. cindi>> Alleviating symptoms is only one reason for explant. There are many others. I would hate to just be putting bandaids on my illness knowing that down the road things could get really ugly. I guess I just don't understand the willingness to take risks with health. >

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I suppose you would have said that to me 10 years ago too?

i have no denial. implants are bad. end of story.

so is fast food, coca-cola, chemical based lotions and potions,

coffee sprayed with pesticides, antibiotics are chemicals that

damage your body...we are are being slowly poisened in one way or

another. etc. etc.

but we are not all alike...and have been on different paths...and

telling all women that they must have implants removed right now -

without any regard for their individual history and background - or

not having suggested they explore all reasons for their symptoms -

is just plain wrong and negligent imo.

I mentioned I lurked around here because I was curious as to why a

saline support group had a list of symptoms that read like a

Hashimoto's list of symptoms. I have found my answer - it's because

so many of these folks have low thyroid.

Hypo ladies look for everything to explain their long list of

sympotms....they go chelate, they do all sorta of alterative

treatments...and now I will be telling my own thyroid group that I

have found another whole group of undiagnosed/undertreated Hashi's

folks....in those who are having their implants removed to get rid

of symptoms. sad.

it's truly been rather disturbing to me actually. I've seen women

so hurt by docs who want treat their hypo...and then i see this

here.

Removing implants is not going to fix hashi's symptoms...only enough

thyroid hormone will do that.

i'll not stick around..because I was just curious after all...and I

hope maybe someone's eyes have been opened. If i see any more

questions at this time, I'll answer them...and please feel free for

anyone to check in at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

cindi

>

> Cindi,

>

> I can almost guarantee that in 5 years you will be saying the same

> things we are. You are just not there yet, and I think I see some

> degree of denial in your posts.

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I meant about your implants and your thyroid problems.

Lynda

At 11:28 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>I suppose you would have said that to me 10 years ago too?

>

>i have no denial. implants are bad. end of story.

>so is fast food, coca-cola, chemical based lotions and potions,

>coffee sprayed with pesticides, antibiotics are chemicals that

>damage your body...we are are being slowly poisened in one way or

>another. etc. etc.

>

>but we are not all alike...and have been on different paths...and

>telling all women that they must have implants removed right now -

>without any regard for their individual history and background - or

>not having suggested they explore all reasons for their symptoms -

>is just plain wrong and negligent imo.

>

>I mentioned I lurked around here because I was curious as to why a

>saline support group had a list of symptoms that read like a

>Hashimoto's list of symptoms. I have found my answer - it's because

>so many of these folks have low thyroid.

>

>Hypo ladies look for everything to explain their long list of

>sympotms....they go chelate, they do all sorta of alterative

>treatments...and now I will be telling my own thyroid group that I

>have found another whole group of undiagnosed/undertreated Hashi's

>folks....in those who are having their implants removed to get rid

>of symptoms. sad.

>

>it's truly been rather disturbing to me actually. I've seen women

>so hurt by docs who want treat their hypo...and then i see this

>here.

>

>Removing implants is not going to fix hashi's symptoms...only enough

>thyroid hormone will do that.

>

>i'll not stick around..because I was just curious after all...and I

>hope maybe someone's eyes have been opened. If i see any more

>questions at this time, I'll answer them...and please feel free for

>anyone to check in at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

>cindi

>

>

> >

> > Cindi,

> >

> > I can almost guarantee that in 5 years you will be saying the same

> > things we are. You are just not there yet, and I think I see some

> > degree of denial in your posts.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/

>

>

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hmm...

let me start with this.

treating a low thyroid condition due to thyroid disease is in no way

the same as treating an autoimmune disease with prednisone.

Desiccated thyroid extract is quite natural. Adding hormone back to

the body that it should have were it not for the damage to the

thyroid gland is not like masking a symptom. it's " eliminating " the

cause of the symptoms...which is not enough thyroid hormone in the

body. It's getting at the origin of the problem.

And a damaged thyroid gland will NOT fix itself because breast

implants have been removed. Fibrous tissue in the thyroid gland

will Not sponteneously become normal thyroid tissue.

no...it's not the same thing. it may not be the implants causing

the symptoms if the person has low thyroid hormone levels. it may

just be the low thyroid hormone levels. one will not know unless

one fixes that.

Haven't read 's story...but again...if she had Hashimoto's,

full replacement thyroid hormone could do the same thing possibly.

that usually lowers antibody numbers. Many things (illness, stress)

can cause antibody counts to rise. I could see where implant could

do it.

Honestly, I'm not saying just treat the symptoms. i'm saying if

your body is not in balance thyroid hormone wise...bring it into

balance and see what resolves...and go from there.

cindi

> > I suppose you would have said that to me 10 years ago too?

> >

> > i have no denial. implants are bad. end of story.

> > so is fast food, coca-cola, chemical based lotions and potions,

> > coffee sprayed with pesticides, antibiotics are chemicals that

> > damage your body...we are are being slowly poisened in one way

or

> > another. etc. etc.

> >

> > but we are not all alike...and have been on different

paths...and

> > telling all women that they must have implants removed right

now -

> > without any regard for their individual history and background -

> or

> > not having suggested they explore all reasons for their

symptoms -

> > is just plain wrong and negligent imo.

> >

> > I mentioned I lurked around here because I was curious as to why

a

> > saline support group had a list of symptoms that read like a

> > Hashimoto's list of symptoms. I have found my answer - it's

> because

> > so many of these folks have low thyroid.

> >

> > Hypo ladies look for everything to explain their long list of

> > sympotms....they go chelate, they do all sorta of alterative

> > treatments...and now I will be telling my own thyroid group that

I

> > have found another whole group of undiagnosed/undertreated

Hashi's

> > folks....in those who are having their implants removed to get

rid

> > of symptoms. sad.

> >

> > it's truly been rather disturbing to me actually. I've seen

women

> > so hurt by docs who want treat their hypo...and then i see this

> > here.

> >

> > Removing implants is not going to fix hashi's symptoms...only

> enough

> > thyroid hormone will do that.

> >

> > i'll not stick around..because I was just curious after

all...and

> I

> > hope maybe someone's eyes have been opened. If i see any more

> > questions at this time, I'll answer them...and please feel free

> for

> > anyone to check in at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> >

> > cindi

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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I am a physician. I've had my implants since 1974. My first illness came in 1977, trigeminal neuralgia, and I have taken meds for pain every three hours since then, anti-inflammatories and Tylenol. In 1995, my new illnesses sent me onto disability - chronic fatigue, insomnia, fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis, skin rash, etc. I have to ration my expenditure of energy and need to be clkose to a shower every few hours for relief of the agonizing itch from my body rash. It took the past eleven years for it to even OCCUR to me that any of this was related to my implants.

Sherry

Re: Re: thyroid issues

Cindi,

I agree with you that implants will never go away. There is far too much money in it. But the informed consent is not part of our story. My PS never told me of the possible auto-immune problems. I honestly think they should be forced to go into every possible side effect and give references of sites that the patient could research at home. The PS are not giving us all the information to be able to make a fair decision. Just as you are getting defensive that we are suggesting you are a ticking time bomb, you are suggesting that we are unjustified in explanting simply because we have thyroid issues. Most of us did not explant because of one diagnosis, we did because we had many confusing diagnosises. Many of us wish we be in your shoes, catching a glimps of life when the implants go wrong. Instead, we are looking back at all the warnings and trying to pick up the pieces after waiting way too long for explant. We are not suggesting you go and explant for non-existing problems, we are suggesting that you keep an open mind about other possible problems that may exist. Because you are predisposed for auto-immune issues proven by your thyroid issue, you may have problems that just havent surfaced yet.

Even though we may not see eye to eye on this, we really do care about your health.

cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

I am clueless as to why anyone thinks I'm in denial. Repeat: implants are bad....they might trigger autoimmune disease or worsen existing autoimmune disease, etc. I just think that telling me i'm a ticking time bomb and must go explant now is ludicrous and irresponsible. And anyone alluding that my thyroid problems are implant related just aren't listening. I had thyroid problems years and years before implants. Implant surgery may have further dropped my thyroid hormone levels and showed the severity of my already existing Hashimoto's. My thyroid gland is damaged and fibrous and non-functioning from Hashi's, not implants. Removing my implants would not in any way restore my thyroid function. the gland is damaged. That damage can not be repaired. I am healthy and happy and well pleased with my implants. I am on full thyroid hormone replacement with full resolution of symptoms of Hashi's. Why would anyone tell me to go get surgery for a non-existent problem? Are you so angry at your own choices that you want everyone else to be sick? Look...i'm all about Informed consent. And Breast implants are Not going to go away. ain't gonna happen. too much money in it, too many vain folks. So there should totally be informed consent about what can happen. And then folks must allow others to make their own choices. The advice here for me to go explant because I just might get sick later on is...well...weird. i have mentioned why I am on the site. Googling something else one night..and this site came up..and I was curious when i saw how the symptoms were the same as Hashi's...and since i have both hashi's/implants...i lurked around...because I have seen so many women thinking their problems were something else other than just not enough thyroid hormone...and i was wondering if that was happening here. But don't worry..when the conversation dies down, I'll leave. i was just curious. Cindi>> No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was well, then > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went downhill so > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.> > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and effect was obvious.> > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of your own > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your implants and be > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this is the > site for you.

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I must not have made myself clear.

I meant exactly what you wrote.

That there needs to be Informed Consent.

There isn't...not in any way, shape, or form.

And that is a problem in many areas..even antibiotics. I have been

injured by antibiotics...and have found that the toxicity of

quinolones is well known by those injured, but the pharmaceutical

company does nothing to alert the physician/patient about the

problems. Such is the world we live in. it's all about the $$$ as

kevin trudeau says many times in his book, Natural Cures.

Thank you for your final words. Those words I can easily accept.

And already knew a little bit about...because once i knew I had

autoimmune issues...I was pretty mad about it not getting diagnosed

when it should have (when I was 23 and reporting the first major

symptoms)...because I'm smart enough to know that someone with an

autoimmune issue doesn't go get implants. That is asking for

trouble. I do understand that. I'm already on " high alert " for

anything amiss in my body...I work hard to keep things on an even

keel. Maybe others are different than me..but contemplating surgery

for me is really unwise. i actually had great difficulty deciding

to just go do some dental work because I know how my body is now

after so many years of untreated hypo. i'm really really cautious

about everything. It is a balancing act at times. But enjoying

good health and well-being after so many many years of untreated

hashi's...i'm just not willing to risk anything at this time.

cindi

>

> Cindi,

>

> I agree with you that implants will never go away. There is far

too much money in it. But the informed consent is not part of our

story. My PS never told me of the possible auto-immune problems. I

honestly think they should be forced to go into every possible side

effect and give references of sites that the patient could research

at home. The PS are not giving us all the information to be able

to make a fair decision. Just as you are getting defensive that we

are suggesting you are a ticking time bomb, you are suggesting that

we are unjustified in explanting simply because we have thyroid

issues. Most of us did not explant because of one diagnosis, we did

because we had many confusing diagnosises. Many of us wish we be in

your shoes, catching a glimps of life when the implants go wrong.

Instead, we are looking back at all the warnings and trying to pick

up the pieces after waiting way too long for explant. We are not

suggesting you go and explant for

> non-existing problems, we are suggesting that you keep an open

mind about other possible problems that may exist. Because you are

predisposed for auto-immune issues proven by your thyroid issue, you

may have problems that just havent surfaced yet.

>

> Even though we may not see eye to eye on this, we really do care

about your health.

[Guest guest]

And so you plan explant?

Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her implants

in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody?

cindi

> >

> > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was

well,

> then

> > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went

downhill

> so

> > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.

> >

> > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and

effect was

> obvious.

> >

> > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this

> > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of

your

> own

> > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your

implants and

> be

> > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this

is the

> > site for you.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I plan it but not until late 2007. I am a crime victim and as the former president and CEO of a publicly-held corporation, I hold the fiduciary obligations of the costs of those crimes. The Statute of Limitations expires in June of next year which will be the first time that I am permitted to earn any income. I have no possible way to afford the surgery prior unless someone accepts Medicare and my secondary insurance.

When I emailed Dr. Melmed with my details, he replied that he would not expect any improvement in my symptoms with explantation. It has been suggested that he doesn't want me to come to him as a patient and this was a way to discourage me....

Sherry

Re: thyroid issues

And so you plan explant? Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her implants in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody?cindi> >> > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was well, > then > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went downhill > so > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.> > > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and effect was > obvious.> > > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of your > own > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your implants and > be > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this is the > > site for you.> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

one other thing here..and I guess I'm thinking about this because of

my recent quinolone antibiotic experience..and then reading a book

about drug effects..

but all drugs cause illness eventually...even OTC...and then we take

another drug for those symptoms and so forth and so on.

it can get rather messy trying to figure out where it all

started...and what caused what.

i have actually come to the conclusion that we are better off

staying away from doctors. geez..and i write that and realize you

Are a doctor. Are you currently practicing?

cindi

> >

> > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was

well,

> then

> > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went

downhill

> so

> > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.

> >

> > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and

effect was

> obvious.

> >

> > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this

> > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of

your

> own

> > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your

implants and

> be

> > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this

is the

> > site for you.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

DR. Kolb considers herself to be an experiment so she can better treat her patients. (You can ask her, but this is what she indicated to me.) Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: And so you plan explant? Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her implants in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody?cindi __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have some trouble with this one...............

Sherry

Re: Re: thyroid issues

DR. Kolb considers herself to be an experiment so she can better treat her patients.

(You can ask her, but this is what she indicated to me.)

Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

And so you plan explant? Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her implants in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody?cindi

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I am retired.

Who will you call in the event of appendicitis?

Sherry

Re: thyroid issues

one other thing here..and I guess I'm thinking about this because of my recent quinolone antibiotic experience..and then reading a book about drug effects..but all drugs cause illness eventually...even OTC...and then we take another drug for those symptoms and so forth and so on. it can get rather messy trying to figure out where it all started...and what caused what. i have actually come to the conclusion that we are better off staying away from doctors. geez..and i write that and realize you Are a doctor. Are you currently practicing?cindi> >> > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was well, > then > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went downhill > so > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.> > > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and effect was > obvious.> > > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of your > own > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your implants and > be > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this is the > > site for you.> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

well that's fascinating.

does she have a web site..where is she located?

cindi

>

> DR. Kolb considers herself to be an experiment so she can better

treat her patients.

> (You can ask her, but this is what she indicated to me.)

[Guest guest]

I don't plan on having appendicitis. ;-)

Actually, i don't have a problem with surgeons...the ones i've had

contact with do good work.

To be honest, it's the regular MDS...taught mostly how to prescribe

drugs..which then make us sick...and then they can prescribe more

drugs. nothing taught anymore about nutrition and wellness and

preventative care. no natural remedies. Not all their fault...the

FDA has made stating a natural rememdy a crime. it's all about the

$$$. our health care system is not about good health - it's about

sickness.

But i honestly don't know what a regular MD could do for me other

than prescribe a drug..and i've been hurt by those.

I thought my experience of a doc never ever helping in 25 years was

an exception until i joined my thyroid forum..and found it's not

uncommon. Just my opinion. no offense intended to you.

Cindi

> > >

> > > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I

was

> well,

> > then

> > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went

> downhill

> > so

> > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.

> > >

> > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and

> effect was

> > obvious.

> > >

> > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this

> > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in

doubt of

> your

> > own

> > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your

> implants and

> > be

> > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if

this

> is the

> > > site for you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

i thought it was rather odd myself.

surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would

not keep them in her own body.

i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.

cindi

>

> I have some trouble with this one...............

[Guest guest]

I do believe Dr. Huang of Denver takes Medicare for explant.

Lynda

At 03:42 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>I plan it but not until late 2007. I am a crime victim and as the

>former president and CEO of a publicly-held corporation, I hold the

>fiduciary obligations of the costs of those crimes. The Statute of

>Limitations expires in June of next year which will be the first

>time that I am permitted to earn any income. I have no possible way

>to afford the surgery prior unless someone accepts Medicare and my

>secondary insurance.

>

>When I emailed Dr. Melmed with my details, he replied that he would

>not expect any improvement in my symptoms with explantation. It has

>been suggested that he doesn't want me to come to him as a patient

>and this was a way to discourage me....

> Sherry

> Re: thyroid issues

>

>And so you plan explant?

>

>Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her implants

>in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody?

>cindi

>

>

>

> > >

> > > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was

>well,

> > then

> > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went

>downhill

> > so

> > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.

> > >

> > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and

>effect was

> > obvious.

> > >

> > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this

> > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of

>your

> > own

> > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your

>implants and

> > be

> > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this

>is the

> > > site for you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah, me too. I call it denial.

Lynda

At 04:12 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>I have some trouble with this one...............

> Sherry

> Re: Re: thyroid issues

>

>DR. Kolb considers herself to be an experiment so she can better

>treat her patients.

>(You can ask her, but this is what she indicated to me.)

>Patty

>

>cindi22595 <<mailto:cindi22595@...>cindi22595@...> wrote:

>And so you plan explant?

>

>Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her implants

>in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody?

>cindi

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I personally think it is her body image and she does not wish to give them up.

Lynda

At 04:40 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>i thought it was rather odd myself.

>surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would

>not keep them in her own body.

>i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.

>cindi

>

>

>

> >

> > I have some trouble with this one...............

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

She may be one of the "lucky ones" that are not ever going to get sick from them.cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: i thought it was rather odd myself. surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would not keep them in her own body. i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone. cindi>> I have some trouble with this one............... __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

When I spoke with her in the early 90's she was already concerned

about some symptoms.

Lynda

At 05:09 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>She may be one of the " lucky ones " that are not ever going to get

>sick from them.

>

>cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

>i thought it was rather odd myself.

>surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would

>not keep them in her own body.

>i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.

>cindi

>

>

>

> >

> > I have some trouble with this one...............

>

>

>

>

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