Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 I felt somewhat uncomfortable about my naturopath selling supplements - In fact he has a very successful health food store. However, when I consider how much time he spent , and the tests he did, vs. how much he charged for his time and supplements, he really didn't make out that well . .. . Nothing compared to conventional docs - especially plastic surgeons! Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Every single holistic doc I have seen, without exception, sells their own supplements. It is ridiculous to think of it as a conflict. Not only is it a convenience, it is safer. I know I am getting the exact supplement my doctor wants me to have. My ND insists on pharmaceutical grade supplements. The companies he does business with do not sell to the public. He cannot guarantee the quality of any product from other sources. Kenda > uh...not really...many good holistic doctors are not going to be > selling supplements that they profit from...that's pretty much a > conflict. > > they might tell folks what supplements they need....but don't sell > them. > > cindi > > >>> >>> Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just >> want >>> to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth > degree, >>> and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is >> one >>> of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes >>> implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet > in >>> your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry about >>> your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes. >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 I agree completely! I buy some of mine from myhealthfirst.com. He has the best prices on some of the supplements I use. Kenda > > You know as well as I do that the medical profession (allopathic) > does not think the same way we do and tends to put down doctors who > are holistic. It has always been this way. So criticizing them > selling supplements is a way to put them down. > > I do trust my holistic practitioners to tell me what they think is > best for me to take. Sometimes I get my products from them and > sometimes I go on line for better prices, when the products are > available there. > > Lynda > > At 10:10 AM 6/6/2006, you wrote: > >> No, no, no. This is wrong. Every holistic doctor I have been to >> sells supplements! They don't give out prescriptions...they sell >> you what they are recommending right then and there. Herbals, >> homeopathics, vitamins, glandulars.... I've experienced this in >> Tucson AZ, as well as Las Vegas, NV and I have no doubt it occurs in >> every other state that holistic practitioners work. >> >> I see no conflict of interest there at all. In fact, I trust that >> they are giving me what they think will work for me. If they are >> going to be my doctor, I am trusting them to provide good quality >> supplements. >> >> If you also will remember, there are a number of products, such as >> those by Thorne Research, that are ONLY available through health >> care professionals. You can't go out and buy them yourself in most cases. >> Patty >> >> >> >> cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: >> uh...not really...many good holistic doctors are not going to be >> selling supplements that they profit from...that's pretty much a >> conflict. >> >> they might tell folks what supplements they need....but don't sell >> them. >> >> cindi >> >> >>>> >>>> Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just >>> want >>>> to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth >> degree, >>>> and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is >>> one >>>> of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes >>>> implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet >> in >>>> your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry about >>>> your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Cyndi I was going to a kinesiologist-chiropractor for a while who was selling me supplements - I was getting worse and not better and found that I didn't trust him, and that he was making money from my naivety. However, now I am treating with Dr. Leu, Kenda's ND, and he sells his own supplements. But they are working for me, including the thyroid medicine. I think I have been undiagnosed hypothryoid for years, and now feel soooo much better. I was 20 pounds overweight, despite dieting and exercise, and my teeth too, have been rotting from the inside. My dentist recently called in his assistant just to show them my teeth, stating that scraping them was like cutting butter. I am very thankful for the thyroid med and the docs recommendation. Not starting an argument, just wanted to point out I know where you are coming from, and the element of trust has to be there for you to have successful treatment with a doc. Cherie > > > > No, no, no. This is wrong. Every holistic doctor I have been to > sells supplements! They don't give out prescriptions...they sell you > what they are recommending right then and there. Herbals, homeopathics, > vitamins, glandulars.... I've experienced this in Tucson AZ, as well as > Las Vegas, NV and I have no doubt it occurs in every other state that > holistic practitioners work. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 It breaks my heart everytime I see my mother. She wants to die so badly . . . and I can't blame her. I don't believe I could stand living the way she does. She leaves her room only for doctors visits, or a visit to my sis's . . . She won't go to the dining room or to recreational activities because she does not want to see people in worse condition than she is - and doesn't want people to see the way she looks. She's so doped up - a pain patch, extra pain meds at night, plus four tranquilizers . . . a bunch of other junk! . . . She's skin and bones . . . can't eat more than a few bites because of a hernia. She's too frail to repair that too. Because of her knee pain, it threw her gait out of balance and damaged her other knee as well as her hip. Just elevating her feet makes her hip hurt. It's awful! . . . I've offered to bring her here . . . we built a room for her just in case. . . But she wants to stay close to my sis. They've always been closer than she and I though - so I guess that's to be expected. Hopefully I won't have to go there myself one day! It takes a lot of courage to get that old! Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 --- Sherry, that is such a tough situation. I am sorry that is all happening to you. I wish I could smuggle all you American ladies into Canada and have you all covered with Medical Insurance. I am grateful for that here. Even though my surgery is called " elective " the health care system will still pay for it. That tells me they know implants are causing problems. I am just happy to be having my surgery so soon. I thought I would have to wait a year or so. July 26th can't come soon enough for me! I wish you wellness & peace, Sherry, Sunny In , _00_ <5678@...> wrote: > > I plan it but not until late 2007. I am a crime victim and as the former president and CEO of a publicly-held corporation, I hold the fiduciary obligations of the costs of those crimes. The Statute of Limitations expires in June of next year which will be the first time that I am permitted to earn any income. I have no possible way to afford the surgery prior unless someone accepts Medicare and my secondary insurance. > > When I emailed Dr. Melmed with my details, he replied that he would not expect any improvement in my symptoms with explantation. It has been suggested that he doesn't want me to come to him as a patient and this was a way to discourage me.... > Sherry > Re: thyroid issues > > > And so you plan explant? > > Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her implants > in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody? > cindi > > > > > > > > > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was > well, > > then > > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went > downhill > > so > > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause. > > > > > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and > effect was > > obvious. > > > > > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this > > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of > your > > own > > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your > implants and > > be > > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this > is the > > > site for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 --- Sherry, I have successfully treated pneumonia with Oil of Oregano, which is stronger than most antibiotics without the side effects. Also, garlic is a natural antibiotic. There are many natural remedies that work...have you studied herbology, or researched these methods and seen the scientific testing done, etc.? I think if you were informed re: these methods, you may be more accepting. I took some courses in , B.C. using the Master Cleanse - people came to him with 6 months to live, on several occasions - and after being on this cleanse, and some color therapy and colon lifting, they regained their health and went on to live happy lives, many of them returned to their physicians and were laughed at or told they were simply in remission. There's alot to be said about natural foods and the way my elderly Ukrainian mother puts it, " there's nothing like my garden vegetables! " Straight from the earth to the table - lots of life-giving nutrients there. Anyway, Sherry, I just pray that we all can work together. I have seen first hand, having worked with herbalists and being a holistic practitioner myself, many so-called miracles happen - when you feed the body proper nutrition, it can heal itself! I know there are circumstances where " western " medicine and/or surgergy is required. I myself have had 2 life-saving surgeries. And my 6 yr. old grandson has had 9 corrective surgeries for hydronephrosis - we have used the holistic approach with him - surgery, nutritional therapy, prayer...he wasn't supposed to be born, then we were told he would die before 2 yrs. old. His specialists are thrilled with his " miraculous " success and said to my son and his wife, " whatever you're doing, keep it up! " Now, that's working together! Take good care of yourself, Sunny In , _00_ <5678@...> wrote: > > Who will you call if you develop a severe bilateral pneumonia? Herbs won't help...... > Sherry > Re: thyroid issues > > > I don't plan on having appendicitis. ;-) > > Actually, i don't have a problem with surgeons...the ones i've had > contact with do good work. > > To be honest, it's the regular MDS...taught mostly how to prescribe > drugs..which then make us sick...and then they can prescribe more > drugs. nothing taught anymore about nutrition and wellness and > preventative care. no natural remedies. Not all their fault...the > FDA has made stating a natural rememdy a crime. it's all about the > $$$. our health care system is not about good health - it's about > sickness. > > But i honestly don't know what a regular MD could do for me other > than prescribe a drug..and i've been hurt by those. > I thought my experience of a doc never ever helping in 25 years was > an exception until i joined my thyroid forum..and found it's not > uncommon. Just my opinion. no offense intended to you. > > Cindi > > > > > > I am clueless as to why anyone thinks I'm in denial. > > > > > > Repeat: implants are bad....they might trigger autoimmune > > disease > > > or worsen existing autoimmune disease, etc. > > > > > > I just think that telling me i'm a ticking time bomb and > must > > go > > > explant now is ludicrous and irresponsible. And anyone > > alluding > > > that my thyroid problems are implant related just aren't > > listening. > > > > > > I had thyroid problems years and years before implants. > > > > > > Implant surgery may have further dropped my thyroid > hormone > > levels > > > and showed the severity of my already existing > Hashimoto's. > > > > > > My thyroid gland is damaged and fibrous and non- > functioning > > from > > > Hashi's, not implants. > > > > > > Removing my implants would not in any way restore my > thyroid > > > function. the gland is damaged. That damage can not be > > repaired. > > > > > > I am healthy and happy and well pleased with my implants. > I > > am on > > > full thyroid hormone replacement with full resolution of > > symptoms of > > > Hashi's. > > > > > > Why would anyone tell me to go get surgery for a non- > existent > > > problem? > > > > > > Are you so angry at your own choices that you want > everyone > > else to > > > be sick? > > > > > > Look...i'm all about Informed consent. And Breast > implants > > are Not > > > going to go away. ain't gonna happen. too much money in > it, > > too > > > many vain folks. So there should totally be informed > consent > > about > > > what can happen. And then folks must allow others to make > > their own > > > choices. The advice here for me to go explant because I > just > > might > > > get sick later on is...well...weird. > > > > > > > > > i have mentioned why I am on the site. > > > Googling something else one night..and this site came > up..and > > I was > > > curious when i saw how the symptoms were the same as > > Hashi's...and > > > since i have both hashi's/implants...i lurked > around...because > > I > > > have seen so many women thinking their problems were > something > > else > > > other than just not enough thyroid hormone...and i was > > wondering if > > > that was happening here. > > > > > > But don't worry..when the conversation dies down, I'll > leave. > > i was > > > just curious. > > > Cindi > > > > > > > > > --- In , Lynda <coss@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I > was > > well, > > > then > > > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went > > downhill > > > so > > > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause. > > > > > > > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and > > effect was > > > obvious. > > > > > > > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this > > > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in > doubt of > > your > > > own > > > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your > > implants and > > > be > > > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if > this > > is the > > > > site for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 --- Sherry, I know you're going through a rough time...I'm concerned about your emotional state, as your messages are sounding quite harsh and stern. Would it be possible to soften your heart and join me in my pain, and comfort one another, instead of taking such a " doctor " stance...although I am grateful for your professional info, it would be healing to just try to be " with " us as sisters in wellness- seeking - woman to woman - heart to heart. I empathize with your financial situation...I do not have the same $$$ figure with my debts, but I do have stress in that area. Where do you live, by the way? I didn't catch your location. Love 'n Peace To You, Sunny In , _00_ <5678@...> wrote: > > I have great difficulty reading this list when people make grandiose statements as factual rather than possible. Regarding Dr. Kolb, the pricing for her highly controversial detox procedures is worrisome. > Sherry > > Re: thyroid issues > > > Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just want > to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth degree, > and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is one > of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes > implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet in > your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry about > your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes. > > Sis > > > > > > > > I have some trouble with this one............... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 ---I found this to be true, also. I prefer to buy mine from Herbalife Canada, as I have tried so many brands over the years and find these products to work amazingly. It's kick-butt nutrition, tested in labs, and made from high quality " food " - lots of doctors and scientists on their board. It takes out the guess work for me when I go to health food stores, plus alot of the products sold on the shelves have fillers in them. Dr. is an MD and all her patients are on the products. That's what I call progressive and really wanting to help people not suffer. I've always believed that if you feed your body what it needs to multiply healthy cells, it will regenerate. Ofcourse, with our symptoms we have to do whatever it takes to get through. I would definitely not want to go through surgery without morphine!!! lol Have a blessed day, everyone! Love, Sunny In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: > > No, no, no. This is wrong. Every holistic doctor I have been to sells supplements! They don't give out prescriptions...they sell you what they are recommending right then and there. Herbals, homeopathics, vitamins, glandulars.... I've experienced this in Tucson AZ, as well as Las Vegas, NV and I have no doubt it occurs in every other state that holistic practitioners work. > > I see no conflict of interest there at all. In fact, I trust that they are giving me what they think will work for me. If they are going to be my doctor, I am trusting them to provide good quality supplements. > > If you also will remember, there are a number of products, such as those by Thorne Research, that are ONLY available through health care professionals. You can't go out and buy them yourself in most cases. > Patty > > > > cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: > uh...not really...many good holistic doctors are not going to be > selling supplements that they profit from...that's pretty much a > conflict. > > they might tell folks what supplements they need....but don't sell > them. > > cindi > > > > > > > > Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just > > want > > > to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth > degree, > > > and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is > > one > > > of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes > > > implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet > in > > > your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry about > > > your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Sunny . . . I think your message is beautiful! . . . You are so caring and so strong! You're going to get yourself, and a lot more women through this nightmare! Love, Rogene --- Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: > --- Sherry, I know you're going through a rough > time...I'm concerned > about your emotional state, as your messages are > sounding quite harsh > and stern. Would it be possible to soften your > heart and join me in > my pain, and comfort one another, instead of taking > such a " doctor " > stance...although I am grateful for your > professional info, it would > be healing to just try to be " with " us as sisters in > wellness- > seeking - woman to woman - heart to heart. I > empathize with your > financial situation...I do not have the same $$$ > figure with my > debts, but I do have stress in that area. Where do > you live, by the > way? I didn't catch your location. > > Love 'n Peace To You, > > Sunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Dave, from what I have learned, my gallbladder issues may be in part due to my food allergies. And I think my food allergies may be due to my candida problem which is also causing me to be hypothyroid. So it seems that the root cause of many of my problems is the candida. Does this make sense to you? My plan is to work on my mercury removal and candida problem simultaneously as I understand many people cannot overcome a candida problem if they have a mercury problem. My hope is that if I can get my candida problem whipped, then my thyroid/adrenal problems will diminish. While I am working on my candida problem, do you have recommendations for thyroid and adrenal support that are food, supplements, etc? I want to stay away from prescription medications if I can. Thanks so much! > > 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice, 10+ years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and private venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far more important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when it comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the fastest. Always, in all ways, -Dave > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my side > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hi There, The allergies may be in part due to your gallbladder issues too. Your candida may be due in part to your food allergies. Your gallbladder issues may be due in part to your thyroid dysfunction. Removal of mercury is a spectacular idea. there have been recent posts inquiring about the best chelating agents and it is beginning to look hands down that these would be zeolites (clinoptolite). I have just recently been on a conference call with Dr. Lynn Hanshew (goggle her) in regards this. Doubtful that just the elimination of candida will straiten out endocrine function. This is pandemic in North American culture due to stress amongst other things. Lots of endocrine support will benefit all of the above issues. Thyroid /adrenals: Saw palmetto, licorice, prickly ash bark, black cohosh or sheng ma, ho shu wu, rhodiola, epemedium leaf, ginsengs, Chinese wolfberry, schizandra, any of the other adaptogens, ad nauseum. While thyroid hormone will " balance " serum levels it does nothing for the problem. Better to do the above so that your pituitary and thyroid balance it out themselves. There is a communication pathway which is chronically out of whack in Americans these days called the HPA axis or hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal axis. The endocrine system behaves as one organ with different satellites with different functions around the body. This is why you see saw palmetto at the front of the list even though the supposed big use for it at the moment is for BPH (benign prostate hypertrophy). It is great for that but is probably the number one herb for all parts of the endocrine system. Hope this helps, -D Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my side > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Dave, this does help very much. Although just recently diagnosed as hypothyroid (I am 47 a year old male), I think that I have had this condition most of my life and just never knew it. My real question is what caused it? How much did mercury pay a part? I had vaccinations as a child. I also had mercury fillings (just removed last year). Does mercury pass from a mother to child? My mom was loaded with mercury as well. What are the other likely causes of life-long hypothyroid? Thanks so much for your thoughts on this! > > > > 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice, 10+ > years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied > kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and private > venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far more > important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when it > comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the fastest. > Always, in all ways, -Dave > > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my > side > > > > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Hi Fred, The entire endocrine system is a top down cascade of hormone producing organs that control metabolism and metabolic functions by chemical trigger. The thyroid does not do anything until ordered by the pituitary (pituitary produces TSH which then stimulates the thyroid to produce T3 and T4). Make sure your TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) T3 and T4 are all being measured. If they are only registering T3 and T4 then the problem could be with the pituitary not thyroid. And visa versa. If they are only measuring TSH all sorts of stupid assumptions get made. Hard to tell what " caused " it. There are many factors in play. Can mercury play a part? You betcha. In fact the thyroid has a tendency to have high concentrations of metals. Always a great idea to get as close to mercury free as possible. While mercury is an issue in vaccinations, there are many other important and potentially equally or more unsettling issues with vaccinations. The immunal response caused may be casing inflammation within the brain (and endocrine organs which then causes damage. Would recommend checking out the works of Dr. Rebbeca Carley for a full explaination. Mercury does pass from mother to child but is dependent on serum levels. If not mobilized from the mother's tissues it will not transfer. this is why it is not wise to perform detox procedures when pregnant. As I stated below, the main cause of endocrine dysfunction in this country is due to stress but other major players are environment (exposures), lifestyle, and to some extent genetics. You can be exceptionally successful with improving endocrine function through natural means it takes a long time though to bring it back into balance. The herbs listed below along with high quality oils (proper liver and gallbladder function for digestion, assimilation, and metabolism of such) are excellent in promoting proper function. All the best, -Dave Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my > side > > > > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 How big of a role do you think that flouride plays in thyroid function? I know that flouride use to be used to treat hyperthyroid. So what happens when someone with a " normal " thyroid ingests flouride? I would guess it could throw them into a hypothyroid state? I understand that the amount that is injected into our public water systems is more highly concentrated that what was given for hyperthyroid treatment! I was just diagnosed as hypothyroid and my son is currently being tested for such. So I am trying to figure out whether to spend the money on a R/O drinking water system for our home. And also, should we use flouride-free toothpaste, possibly endangering the family's dental health? A tough family decision that we will have to make. Dave, what is your take on flouride's impact on thyroid health??? Thanks so much. > > > > > > 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice, > 10+ > > years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied > > kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and private > > venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far more > > important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when it > > comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the > fastest. > > Always, in all ways, -Dave > > > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my > > side > > > > > > > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 The flouride used to treat the water supplies is a toxic waste product from industry. 35 times more toxic than cyanide if I remember properly. Fluorine is essential for strong bone and teeth and is in the fluoride molecule. Because it is in there does not mean they have the same effect (fluoride will strengthen teeth); that would be like saying that since there is oxygen in carbon monoxide that carbon monoxide is a good source of oxygen. Yes it can have a very suppressive effect on the thyroid shown by the fact that it use to be a " treatment " for hyperthyroid. These goofballs that put fluoride in toothpaste don't give a rodent's posterior where they get it from. Fluorine which is essential, is very high in goat's milk. Horsetail, alfalfa, algaes including the big stuff like bladderwrack, laminaria (kelp), are also decent sources. Filtering water is a must if you are in a municipal system. This can then be further treated energetically in a variety of ways if you wish. Excess consumption of sugars, deficient and acidifying diet and lifestyle are the dangers to dental health. but keep in mind they are at the crux of many health complaints. All the best, -Dave Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my > > side > > > > > > > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 If you are planning on installing a water filtration system in your home try and get a reverse osmosis system. They have come a long way with the technology and anything less than reverse osmosis will not guarantee that you will be removing 100% of the chemicals in the water. Good luck F On Aug 20, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Dave Shelden wrote: > The flouride used to treat the water supplies is a toxic waste > product from industry. 35 times more toxic than cyanide if I > remember properly. Fluorine is essential for strong bone and teeth > and is in the fluoride molecule. Because it is in there does not > mean they have the same effect (fluoride will strengthen teeth); > that would be like saying that since there is oxygen in carbon > monoxide that carbon monoxide is a good source of oxygen. Yes it can > have a very suppressive effect on the thyroid shown by the fact that > it use to be a " treatment " for hyperthyroid. These goofballs that > put fluoride in toothpaste don't give a rodent's posterior where > they get it from. Fluorine which is essential, is very high in > goat's milk. Horsetail, alfalfa, algaes including the big stuff like > bladderwrack, laminaria (kelp), are also decent sources. Filtering > water is a must if you are in a municipal system. This can then be > further treated energetically in a variety of ways if you wish. > Excess consumption of sugars, deficient and acidifying diet and > lifestyle are the dangers to dental health. but keep in mind they > are at the crux of many health complaints. All the best, > > -Dave > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in > my > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I have looked at a an R/O system that is round $500 - $600. It is suppose to remove 95% of the flouride. It is a bit pricey, but I will do it if I think it is necessary. That is what I am trying to figure out. The one thing that concerns me with R/O water is the fact that is is depleted of minerals. I understand that it has an acidifying effect on the body which is not good. I suppose that we can do some things to compensate for that, but most of us are already too acidic anyway. ...definitely a concern. Another drinking water option that interests me is one that supposedly alkalinizes the water. I forget, but maybe they are called " ionized " water systems. I know that they are a bit controversial. Some do not believe that they provide the benefits as advertized. Most are >$1000. I appreciate any thoughts on the R/O option and the ionized water option. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice, > > > 10+ > > > > years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied > > > > kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and private > > > > venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far more > > > > important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when it > > > > comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the > > > fastest. > > > > Always, in all ways, -Dave > > > > > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in > > my > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where do you get all of this Dave? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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