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Dave,

Thank you SO much for this post...you have made me feel so much better as

someone who for (at least) the last 27 years has wondered about physical/mental

connections re health.

Best wishes,

Dave

From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

Subject: Orthomolecular psychiatry

" gallstones " <gallstones >

Date: Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 6:39 AM

Venting is good Greg, I am glad you feel safe enough within this group..

Your description of frustration reminds me of the women who see certain male

doctors about menstrual issues and are told they are being hysterical and are

then recommended to have a hysterectomy. Now, it may not still happen this way

precisely, but it did (therefore the name- hysterectomy); And the unconnected

bias is still there. I see this all the time, no matter the actual issue: If I

cannot figure someone's problem out, they cannot possibly have it, it must

therefore be in their head. The natural health movement is almost as ripe with

it as standard allopathy. For someone who has not experienced extreme pain

(physical or emotional) 24/7 for 20 years it is a bit difficult to comprehend

how that might effect someone's interactions with their environment... This

is no excuse for ignorance or actions based there upon.

Orthomolecular psychiatry holds great promise. It is now known through

the works of the likes of Dr. Bruce Lipton (Biology of Belief), Dr. Candace Pert

(Molecules of emotion), and others that the " mind " is not in the

brain! Supposed " neurotransmitters " are produced by possibly every

cell in the body and every cell in the body potentially has the receptor sites

for such (the only barrier to answering these questions is lack of observing

every cell type). Recent research has uncovered neural cells within the heart!

This is not just the receptor sites for chemical communication but actual

" brain cells " within cardiac tissue. More research out of Russia has

shown that the 90% of your DNA that is supposedly " junk " (named that

by the pillars of science because they did not observe any function until now)

alters it's shape and composition when challenged by frequencies or

language!

Those who are in positions of authority concerning the hard sciences of

biology, chemistry and medicine are as a general rule way undereducated in the

newer discoveries of science. They therefore act as anchors, and destructively

so, of the growth of their own fields.

Orthomolecular psychiatry was pioneered by Linus ing, Hawkins,

Abram Hoffer and others over 30 years ago. It has been ridiculed and suppressed

for as long. The reality may be that our biochemical makeup is critical to our

emotional and mental processes. So going back to the question, months ago,

that started this rather convoluted discussion; Can gallbladder/liver issues

effect our emotional makeup? Absolutely so. I have lost count of the people I

have talked to who have performed flushes or general liver gallbladder support

and had very positive changes in their mental health.

" The whole world is daft but thee and me, sometimes I wonder about

thee. " -Ben lin

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

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You are welcome Dave... 1957 was such a good year! These connections are so

important for the subject of this group. Now I know that eggs, tomatoes, and

rocks are gonna fly on this one, but gallbladders would SEEM to be the least of

our worries... Right? I mean, we can just have the pesky little bugger removed

and " survive " just " fine " . This isn't a group for stroke, adenoid cystic

carcinoma, or liver failure. We are discussing whether we should just go into a

fairly innocuous surgery, pluck a " non essential " organ out and attempt to live

life as usual, or change our eating habits, lifestyle and engage in a bunch of

uncomfortable, inconvenient, and possibly expensive therapies to retain the

little beast.

Which would you chose?

Good choice!

Everything is connected to everything else. We cannot separate out gallbladder

health from emotional health, or cardio function,. or digestion, or...

We have touched on the link between emotions and liver/gallbladder before but

other recent posts have revisited the issue. So sitting behind the safety of my

computer screen let's have another go, and this time more to the point.

Emotions are held at the cellular level. The research mentioned recently in

Russia points to the idea that the 90% of your DNA that is " junk " may be an

information/experience storage mechanism. The Chinese model for instance says

that all of these organ/meridian systems are associated with certain emotions.

" Kidneys " (keep in mind that there are no " adrenal " energetics in the model)

-fear ( " give me three steps mister... my water fell on the floor... " Lynurd

Skynurd for those that are to young.). Heart -Joy/Sadness ( 'you broke my

heart " ), Liver/gallbladder -Anger/frustration ( " That person sure has a lot of

gall! " ), etc.

So if you entertain this concept, emotions can effect physiology and

physiology can effect emotions. Some start out as a happy drunk and as the

process proceeds, they become angrier and more violent... Capishe? Anger held

within could then potentially lead to physiological liver/gallbladder problems.

Let me illustrate.

I have a client right now who has been diagnosed with " non staeto hepatitis " .

This is a diagnosis determined by biopsy confirmed cirrhosis without a history

of alcohol abuse. Prognosis - liver transplant or death (stage 4). Beautiful

person; tough life. Survived by becoming rigid, holding her ground and getting

the job done anyways. Lots of anger. Still a wonderful loving person. What

effect has the emotions played upon the texture of the tissues? As her husband

says, " She is a rock. " . So is her liver.

So, it may be that for some, not all, of us that " detox " or " cleansing " may

mean emotions as well. Doing a " flush " is great but if we just fill it back up

with anger and frustration we may need to do it again soon.

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Orthomolecular psychiatry

" gallstones "

<gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40>>

Date: Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 6:39 AM

Venting is good Greg, I am glad you feel safe enough within this group..

Your description of frustration reminds me of the women who see certain male

doctors about menstrual issues and are told they are being hysterical and are

then recommended to have a hysterectomy. Now, it may not still happen this way

precisely, but it did (therefore the name- hysterectomy); And the unconnected

bias is still there. I see this all the time, no matter the actual issue: If I

cannot figure someone's problem out, they cannot possibly have it, it must

therefore be in their head. The natural health movement is almost as ripe with

it as standard allopathy. For someone who has not experienced extreme pain

(physical or emotional) 24/7 for 20 years it is a bit difficult to comprehend

how that might effect someone's interactions with their environment... This

is no excuse for ignorance or actions based there upon.

Orthomolecular psychiatry holds great promise. It is now known through

the works of the likes of Dr. Bruce Lipton (Biology of Belief), Dr. Candace

Pert

(Molecules of emotion), and others that the " mind " is not in the

brain! Supposed " neurotransmitters " are produced by possibly every

cell in the body and every cell in the body potentially has the receptor sites

for such (the only barrier to answering these questions is lack of observing

every cell type). Recent research has uncovered neural cells within the heart!

This is not just the receptor sites for chemical communication but actual

" brain cells " within cardiac tissue. More research out of Russia has

shown that the 90% of your DNA that is supposedly " junk " (named that

by the pillars of science because they did not observe any function until now)

alters it's shape and composition when challenged by frequencies or

language!

Those who are in positions of authority concerning the hard sciences of

biology, chemistry and medicine are as a general rule way undereducated in the

newer discoveries of science. They therefore act as anchors, and destructively

so, of the growth of their own fields.

Orthomolecular psychiatry was pioneered by Linus ing, Hawkins,

Abram Hoffer and others over 30 years ago. It has been ridiculed and

suppressed

for as long. The reality may be that our biochemical makeup is critical to our

emotional and mental processes. So going back to the question, months ago,

that started this rather convoluted discussion; Can gallbladder/liver issues

effect our emotional makeup? Absolutely so. I have lost count of the people I

have talked to who have performed flushes or general liver gallbladder support

and had very positive changes in their mental health.

" The whole world is daft but thee and me, sometimes I wonder about

thee. " -Ben lin

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

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Can't say it enough times but starting a meditation routine would go a

long way in helping everyone's mind and body starting with 5 or 10

minutes a day and working your way up

On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Dave Shelden wrote:

> You are welcome Dave... 1957 was such a good year! These connections

> are so important for the subject of this group. Now I know that

> eggs, tomatoes, and rocks are gonna fly on this one, but

> gallbladders would SEEM to be the least of our worries... Right? I

> mean, we can just have the pesky little bugger removed and " survive "

> just " fine " . This isn't a group for stroke, adenoid cystic

> carcinoma, or liver failure. We are discussing whether we should

> just go into a fairly innocuous surgery, pluck a " non essential "

> organ out and attempt to live life as usual, or change our eating

> habits, lifestyle and engage in a bunch of uncomfortable,

> inconvenient, and possibly expensive therapies to retain the little

> beast.

>

> Which would you chose?

>

> Good choice!

>

> Everything is connected to everything else. We cannot separate out

> gallbladder health from emotional health, or cardio function,. or

> digestion, or...

>

> We have touched on the link between emotions and liver/gallbladder

> before but other recent posts have revisited the issue. So sitting

> behind the safety of my computer screen let's have another go, and

> this time more to the point.

>

> Emotions are held at the cellular level. The research mentioned

> recently in Russia points to the idea that the 90% of your DNA that

> is " junk " may be an information/experience storage mechanism. The

> Chinese model for instance says that all of these organ/meridian

> systems are associated with certain emotions. " Kidneys " (keep in

> mind that there are no " adrenal " energetics in the model) -fear

> ( " give me three steps mister... my water fell on the floor... "

> Lynurd Skynurd for those that are to young.). Heart -Joy/Sadness

> ( 'you broke my heart " ), Liver/gallbladder -Anger/frustration ( " That

> person sure has a lot of gall! " ), etc.

>

> So if you entertain this concept, emotions can effect physiology and

> physiology can effect emotions. Some start out as a happy drunk and

> as the process proceeds, they become angrier and more violent...

> Capishe? Anger held within could then potentially lead to

> physiological liver/gallbladder problems. Let me illustrate.

>

> I have a client right now who has been diagnosed with " non staeto

> hepatitis " . This is a diagnosis determined by biopsy confirmed

> cirrhosis without a history of alcohol abuse. Prognosis - liver

> transplant or death (stage 4). Beautiful person; tough life.

> Survived by becoming rigid, holding her ground and getting the job

> done anyways. Lots of anger. Still a wonderful loving person. What

> effect has the emotions played upon the texture of the tissues? As

> her husband says, " She is a rock. " . So is her liver.

>

> So, it may be that for some, not all, of us that " detox " or

> " cleansing " may mean emotions as well. Doing a " flush " is great but

> if we just fill it back up with anger and frustration we may need to

> do it again soon.

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

> Orthomolecular psychiatry

> " gallstones "

<gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40

> >>

> Date: Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 6:39 AM

>

> Venting is good Greg, I am glad you feel safe enough within this

> group..

> Your description of frustration reminds me of the women who see

> certain male

> doctors about menstrual issues and are told they are being

> hysterical and are

> then recommended to have a hysterectomy. Now, it may not still

> happen this way

> precisely, but it did (therefore the name- hysterectomy); And the

> unconnected

> bias is still there. I see this all the time, no matter the actual

> issue: If I

> cannot figure someone's problem out, they cannot possibly have it,

> it must

> therefore be in their head. The natural health movement is almost as

> ripe with

> it as standard allopathy. For someone who has not experienced

> extreme pain

> (physical or emotional) 24/7 for 20 years it is a bit difficult to

> comprehend

> how that might effect someone's interactions with their

> environment... This

> is no excuse for ignorance or actions based there upon.

>

> Orthomolecular psychiatry holds great promise. It is now known through

> the works of the likes of Dr. Bruce Lipton (Biology of Belief), Dr.

> Candace Pert

> (Molecules of emotion), and others that the " mind " is not in the

> brain! Supposed " neurotransmitters " are produced by possibly every

> cell in the body and every cell in the body potentially has the

> receptor sites

> for such (the only barrier to answering these questions is lack of

> observing

> every cell type). Recent research has uncovered neural cells within

> the heart!

> This is not just the receptor sites for chemical communication but

> actual

> " brain cells " within cardiac tissue. More research out of Russia has

> shown that the 90% of your DNA that is supposedly " junk " (named that

> by the pillars of science because they did not observe any function

> until now)

> alters it's shape and composition when challenged by frequencies or

> language!

>

> Those who are in positions of authority concerning the hard sciences

> of

> biology, chemistry and medicine are as a general rule way

> undereducated in the

> newer discoveries of science. They therefore act as anchors, and

> destructively

> so, of the growth of their own fields.

>

> Orthomolecular psychiatry was pioneered by Linus ing,

> Hawkins,

> Abram Hoffer and others over 30 years ago. It has been ridiculed and

> suppressed

> for as long. The reality may be that our biochemical makeup is

> critical to our

> emotional and mental processes. So going back to the question,

> months ago,

> that started this rather convoluted discussion; Can gallbladder/

> liver issues

> effect our emotional makeup? Absolutely so. I have lost count of the

> people I

> have talked to who have performed flushes or general liver

> gallbladder support

> and had very positive changes in their mental health.

>

> " The whole world is daft but thee and me, sometimes I wonder about

> thee. " -Ben lin

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

>

>

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if your GB is removed your digestion is screwed up for the rest of your life -

you say minimal surgery? Huh?

Orthomolecular psychiatry

> " gallstones " <gallstones@gro ups.com<mailto:gallstones%

40groups. com

> >>

> Date: Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 6:39 AM

>

> Venting is good Greg, I am glad you feel safe enough within this

> group..

> Your description of frustration reminds me of the women who see

> certain male

> doctors about menstrual issues and are told they are being

> hysterical and are

> then recommended to have a hysterectomy. Now, it may not still

> happen this way

> precisely, but it did (therefore the name- hysterectomy) ; And the

> unconnected

> bias is still there. I see this all the time, no matter the actual

> issue: If I

> cannot figure someone's problem out, they cannot possibly have it,

> it must

> therefore be in their head. The natural health movement is almost as

> ripe with

> it as standard allopathy. For someone who has not experienced

> extreme pain

> (physical or emotional) 24/7 for 20 years it is a bit difficult to

> comprehend

> how that might effect someone's interactions with their

> environment. .. This

> is no excuse for ignorance or actions based there upon.

>

> Orthomolecular psychiatry holds great promise. It is now known through

> the works of the likes of Dr. Bruce Lipton (Biology of Belief), Dr.

> Candace Pert

> (Molecules of emotion), and others that the " mind " is not in the

> brain! Supposed " neurotransmitters " are produced by possibly every

> cell in the body and every cell in the body potentially has the

> receptor sites

> for such (the only barrier to answering these questions is lack of

> observing

> every cell type). Recent research has uncovered neural cells within

> the heart!

> This is not just the receptor sites for chemical communication but

> actual

> " brain cells " within cardiac tissue. More research out of Russia has

> shown that the 90% of your DNA that is supposedly " junk " (named that

> by the pillars of science because they did not observe any function

> until now)

> alters it's shape and composition when challenged by frequencies or

> language!

>

> Those who are in positions of authority concerning the hard sciences

> of

> biology, chemistry and medicine are as a general rule way

> undereducated in the

> newer discoveries of science. They therefore act as anchors, and

> destructively

> so, of the growth of their own fields.

>

> Orthomolecular psychiatry was pioneered by Linus ing,

> Hawkins,

> Abram Hoffer and others over 30 years ago. It has been ridiculed and

> suppressed

> for as long. The reality may be that our biochemical makeup is

> critical to our

> emotional and mental processes. So going back to the question,

> months ago,

> that started this rather convoluted discussion; Can gallbladder/

> liver issues

> effect our emotional makeup? Absolutely so. I have lost count of the

> people I

> have talked to who have performed flushes or general liver

> gallbladder support

> and had very positive changes in their mental health.

>

> " The whole world is daft but thee and me, sometimes I wonder about

> thee. " -Ben lin

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

>

>

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My point was yours. I was illustrating the prevailing view through my sometimes

provocative means. Most would consider this a rather minor issue in comparison

to say, the other conditions mentioned below. We all have people who, when they

find out you have gallbladder issues, proclaim in their most ignorant of

manners, " Why don't you just have it taken out? I know such and such who had

his removed and he is just fine. " All is connected and to compromise the

machine by removing a part may compromise the machine in seemingly unconnected

ways. Removal is easy, but maybe not optimum. So the people on this group are

the minority who are willing to buck the prevailing view (and doctor's

recommendation), step out of their comfort zone and habits, in order to attempt

to save a potentially very valuable organ. Kudos.

But if I have to make the choice of having my gallbladder removed or

dealing with cancer, dialysis, liver transplant colostomy, etc. I am probably

going to choose the gallbladder. The surgery is a piece of cake (while the

after effects may not be).

-D

Orthomolecular psychiatry

> " gallstones " <gallstones@gro ups.com<mailto:gallstones%

40groups. com

> >>

> Date: Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 6:39 AM

>

> Venting is good Greg, I am glad you feel safe enough within this

> group..

> Your description of frustration reminds me of the women who see

> certain male

> doctors about menstrual issues and are told they are being

> hysterical and are

> then recommended to have a hysterectomy. Now, it may not still

> happen this way

> precisely, but it did (therefore the name- hysterectomy) ; And the

> unconnected

> bias is still there. I see this all the time, no matter the actual

> issue: If I

> cannot figure someone's problem out, they cannot possibly have it,

> it must

> therefore be in their head. The natural health movement is almost as

> ripe with

> it as standard allopathy. For someone who has not experienced

> extreme pain

> (physical or emotional) 24/7 for 20 years it is a bit difficult to

> comprehend

> how that might effect someone's interactions with their

> environment. .. This

> is no excuse for ignorance or actions based there upon.

>

> Orthomolecular psychiatry holds great promise. It is now known through

> the works of the likes of Dr. Bruce Lipton (Biology of Belief), Dr.

> Candace Pert

> (Molecules of emotion), and others that the " mind " is not in the

> brain! Supposed " neurotransmitters " are produced by possibly every

> cell in the body and every cell in the body potentially has the

> receptor sites

> for such (the only barrier to answering these questions is lack of

> observing

> every cell type). Recent research has uncovered neural cells within

> the heart!

> This is not just the receptor sites for chemical communication but

> actual

> " brain cells " within cardiac tissue. More research out of Russia has

> shown that the 90% of your DNA that is supposedly " junk " (named that

> by the pillars of science because they did not observe any function

> until now)

> alters it's shape and composition when challenged by frequencies or

> language!

>

> Those who are in positions of authority concerning the hard sciences

> of

> biology, chemistry and medicine are as a general rule way

> undereducated in the

> newer discoveries of science. They therefore act as anchors, and

> destructively

> so, of the growth of their own fields.

>

> Orthomolecular psychiatry was pioneered by Linus ing,

> Hawkins,

> Abram Hoffer and others over 30 years ago. It has been ridiculed and

> suppressed

> for as long. The reality may be that our biochemical makeup is

> critical to our

> emotional and mental processes. So going back to the question,

> months ago,

> that started this rather convoluted discussion; Can gallbladder/

> liver issues

> effect our emotional makeup? Absolutely so. I have lost count of the

> people I

> have talked to who have performed flushes or general liver

> gallbladder support

> and had very positive changes in their mental health.

>

> " The whole world is daft but thee and me, sometimes I wonder about

> thee. " -Ben lin

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

>

>

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