Re: Doctors want to remove my Gall bladder

[Guest guest]

> he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to tell

> me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in danger

> of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..>

Hooey. God didn't make any mistakes. The GB serves a function. Without it,

you will have bile dripping all the time, thus increasing your risk of

cancer. Once removed, there is no going back. Why not take a little time,

do some flushes, get some A-F Betafood tablets (discussed here very often),

change your diet, and try to heal yourself first?

Amber

[Guest guest]

We all got to get out of this mind set that the Drs. are the authority on

health. You have a gallbladder attack so bad you think you are going to die so

as all of us do we go to the doctor 'cuz the pain is too great. They tell us

things like " your gallbladder has no use " and in our semi state of consciousness

(literally) we record this as fact (literally again. It has to do with the

recording of information and stimuli. Our conscious minds are able to process

40 bits of information per second; the unconscious mind-40 million! The

difference is that in lower states of consciousness we cannot discriminate.

This is why children up to about the age of 5-6 cannot understand humor, no

matter how well intentioned.). His statement is indicative of both his

" knowledge " and value as an authority. Run, do not walk from this lunatic.

Knife in hand, blood shot eyes, ready to lop off anything within reach. Sorry

for the graphic exaggeration but with an attitude and knowledge base like that,

effectively the same. You may still decide to have your gallbladder out at a

later time. But if you do, it should be your choice; not you doctors, and it

should be after you have pursued every avenue of trying to heal it.

Ah, but he will say, " It is not working anyhow, so it is not doing

anything. " ... If you leave your lights on, and your battery is dead do you

trash it, or do you try and charge it back up first?

Joan, think of your gallbladder as this tired but tireless employee that

works 24/7 for you 365 to attempt to assure that you have the very best lipid

digestion possible. She has a position that no one else can fill. She is still

coming to work even though she is very, very sick. She use to do her job

immaculately, but because of her illness she is not performing up to snuff. She

very well may have the ability to perform at that level again if she gets over

her illness... Do you hire a very, very expensive accountant that says " Fire

her and ditch the entire position, you can still function without it. " ? Or, do

you invest some time and money into helping her get back on her feet?

There is plenty of info on the group about what to do in order to try and

save your gallbladder. The immediate issue is a battle of thought, emotions,

and imprinted societal learning. As the bumper sticker says, " question

authority " .

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Doctors want to remove my Gall bladder

well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

the doctors called me back today for an appointment and reccomended i

have my GB removed..

i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what not to

eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to tell

me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in danger

of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in 6

months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the last

one.

He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they did it.

Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me sooooo

much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

[Guest guest]

Very well said Dave.

" Dave Shelden "

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We all got to get out of this mind set that the Drs. are the authority on

health.

You have a gallbladder attack so bad you think you are going to die so as all

of

us do we go to the doctor 'cuz the pain is too great. They tell us things like

" your gallbladder has no use " and in our semi state of consciousness

(literally)

we record this as fact (literally again. It has to do with the recording of

information and stimuli. Our conscious minds are able to process 40 bits of

information per second; the unconscious mind-40 million! The difference is that

in

lower states of consciousness we cannot discriminate. This is why children up

to

about the age of 5-6 cannot understand humor, no matter how well intentioned.).

His statement is indicative of both his " knowledge " and value as an authority.

Run, do not walk from this lunatic. Knife in hand, blood shot eyes, ready to

lop

off anything within reach. Sorry for the graphic exagge ration but with an

attitude and knowledge base like that, effectively the same. You may still

decide

to have your gallbladder out at a later time. But if you do, it should be your

choice; not you doctors, and it should be after you have pursued every avenue

of

trying to heal it.

Ah, but he will say, " It is not working anyhow, so it is not doing

anything. " ...

If you leave your lights on, and your battery is dead do you trash it, or do

you

try and charge it back up first?

Joan, think of your gallbladder as this tired but tireless employee that works

24/7 for you 365 to attempt to assure that you have the very best lipid

digestion

possible. She has a position that no one else can fill. She is still coming to

work even though she is very, very sick. She use to do her job immaculately,

but

because of her illness she is not performing up to snuff. She very well may

have

the ability to perform at that level again if she gets over her illness... Do

you

hire a very, very expensive accountant that says " Fire her and ditch the entire

position, you can still function without it. " ? Or, do you invest some time and

money into helping her get back on her feet?

There is plenty of info on the group about what to do in order to try and save

your gallbladder. The immediate issue is a battle of thought, emotions, and

imprinted societal learning. As the bumper sticker says, " question authority " .

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Doctors want to remove my Gall bladder

well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

the doctors called me back today for an appointment and reccomended i

have my GB removed..

i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what not to

eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to tell

me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in danger

of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in 6

months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the last

one.

He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they did it.

Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me sooooo

much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

[Guest guest]

> Run, do not walk from this lunatic. Knife in hand, blood shot eyes, ready

> to lop off anything within reach. Sorry for the graphic exaggeration but

> with an attitude and knowledge base like that, effectively the same. You

> may still decide to have your gallbladder out at a later time. But if you

> do, it should be your choice; not you doctors, and it should be after you

> have pursued every avenue of trying to heal it.

> -Dave>

I totally agree. Same thing happened to me in March 2006. I had my one and

only GB attack. Ended up in ER and was admitted to the hospital. Had all

kinds of tests. Dr. came in and said I needed to have surgery to have my GB

removed. I said, " No thanks. I'm going to go home and do some research. "

I did 3 flushes, changed my diet, take A-F Betafood daily and I still have

my GB and no more attacks. I understand that many people have one attack

and never have another one.

Amber

[Guest guest]

that is what 9.8 of 10 doctors say - so you have a average doctor - run for the

hills.

Find a doctor who is willing to work with you.

I wise doctor told me something - he said the doctors are all the same

(generally) because they all read the exact same books and have the same

training.

So looking for a different answer is difficult.

Good luck.

Jay

Doctors want to remove my Gall bladder

well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

the doctors called me back today for an appointment and reccomended i

have my GB removed..

i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what not to

eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to tell

me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in danger

of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in 6

months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the last

one.

He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they did it.

Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me sooooo

much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

please remember that it is YOUR gall bladder and that removal is

the start and not the end of your problems. You will have

difficulties with fat and alcohol for the rest of your life, and a

heightened risk of diabetes once it is removed. Thought should be

given to the fact that removal is irreversible; so gall bladder

removal should only be considered as the the last resort after all

else has failed.

The 'Liver Flush' costs about ten US dollars to perform and will

more than likely clear your problems so why not give it a go?

Happy hunting,

>

> that is what 9.8 of 10 doctors say - so you have a average doctor -

run for the hills.

>

> Find a doctor who is willing to work with you.

>

> I wise doctor told me something - he said the doctors are all the

same (generally) because they all read the exact same books and have

the same training.

>

> So looking for a different answer is difficult.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Jay

>

>

>

> Doctors want to remove my Gall bladder

>

> well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

>

> the doctors called me back today for an appointment and reccomended i

> have my GB removed..

>

> i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what

not to

> eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

>

> he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to tell

> me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in danger

> of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

>

> but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in 6

> months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the last

> one.

>

> He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they did it.

>

> Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me sooooo

> much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/2008 10:40:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

amber@... writes:

> I did 3 flushes, changed my diet, take A-F Betafood daily and I still have

> my GB and no more attacks. I understand that many people have one attack

> and never have another one.

>

Hi Amber and everyone,

Well, in case you or anyone recalls, I was having my bout with my gallbladder

again sometime over the past year. Changed some things in my lifestyle and

those specific attacks stopped happening although some of the residual

" presence " of a gall bladder with stone(s) is still with me...or it's something

else.

Most recently, I'm having that muscle-like discomfort between my shoulder

blades, more specifically- at a spot I can put my finger on. It's like a

muscular

knot and I've tried a lot of things to remedy it from a muscular-skeletal

standpoint.

Weeks before that my lower back had been stiff and aching (with good reason)

until last weekend when I woke up achey all over and my bowel movements had

been slow to none over the holiday weekend. Seemed like an intestinal thing akin

to a 24 to 48 hour virus ort something. Now all that has improved (with the

right effort), except the discomfort has now settled in the shoulder blade

after with the left blade being the more predominant area.

I'd swear that there seems to be something that travels around our bodies (or

at least mine) and when it tires of one place it moves to another... right

now my shoulder blade area. (Anyone else ever experienced this phenomena of the

'mobile malady'...(for lack of a better description)?)

So maybe it's time for a another flush, perhaps, as soon as this weekend...

Best,

Fran

**************

It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

travel deal here.

(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

[Guest guest]

Everyone is different but I have noticed a great improvement with

cutting back the portions consumed and also having your greens

( salads etc) at the end of the meal when they should be eaten.

I have also had great success with going on a 3 day diet of vegetables

once every 2 weeks for 6 months -

Make certain if and when you flush you take your epsom salt drink.

In addition to the AF Beta food tinctures of dandelion ( organic

only) yam root and milk thistle suspended in glycerin really have

helped me.

Good luck

FB

On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:52 PM, feb4512 wrote:

>

> well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

>

> the doctors called me back today for an appointment and reccomended i

> have my GB removed..

>

> i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what

> not to

> eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

>

> he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to tell

> me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in danger

> of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

>

> but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in 6

> months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the

> last

> one.

>

> He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they did

> it.

>

> Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me

> sooooo

> much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

>

>

>

Battaglia

Tel 818 897 8500

Cel 818 268 5395

fbattaglia@...

[Guest guest]

Amber

I now take my AF Beta tablets as needed and at times go weeks without

taking them. I take my tinctures 2 times a year - milk thistle, yam

root and dandelion daily for 2 weeks .

FB

On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Amber wrote:

>

> > Run, do not walk from this lunatic. Knife in hand, blood shot

> eyes, ready

> > to lop off anything within reach. Sorry for the graphic

> exaggeration but

> > with an attitude and knowledge base like that, effectively the

> same. You

> > may still decide to have your gallbladder out at a later time. But

> if you

> > do, it should be your choice; not you doctors, and it should be

> after you

> > have pursued every avenue of trying to heal it.

> > -Dave>

>

> I totally agree. Same thing happened to me in March 2006. I had my

> one and

> only GB attack. Ended up in ER and was admitted to the hospital. Had

> all

> kinds of tests. Dr. came in and said I needed to have surgery to

> have my GB

> removed. I said, " No thanks. I'm going to go home and do some

> research. "

> I did 3 flushes, changed my diet, take A-F Betafood daily and I

> still have

> my GB and no more attacks. I understand that many people have one

> attack

> and never have another one.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

Battaglia

Tel 818 897 8500

Cel 818 268 5395

fbattaglia@...

[Guest guest]

> Amber

>

> I now take my AF Beta tablets as needed and at times go weeks without

> taking them. I take my tinctures 2 times a year - milk thistle, yam

> root and dandelion daily for 2 weeks .

>

>

> FB

Super. I was off them for a short period of time with an N.D. had me using

some other products. Now that I finished with her regime, I'm back on them,

just one a.m. and one p.m. If I get a twinge, then I take a few more.

Still doing well since my attack 3/12/06. I just bought another 360 size

bottle of A-F. I keep it in the frig.

Amber

[Guest guest]

I'd swear that there seems to be something that travels around our

bodies (or at least mine) and when it tires of one place it moves to

another... right now my shoulder blade area. (Anyone else ever

experienced this phenomena of the 'mobile malady'...(for lack of a

better description) ?)

This is a telltale Lyme disease symptom, I have this same exact thing.

Lyme spirochetes are highly mobile theres some youtube videos showing

this.

B

>

> In a message dated 9/4/2008 10:40:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> amber@... writes:

>

> > I did 3 flushes, changed my diet, take A-F Betafood daily and I

still have

> > my GB and no more attacks. I understand that many people have one

attack

> > and never have another one.

> >

>

> Hi Amber and everyone,

>

> Well, in case you or anyone recalls, I was having my bout with my

gallbladder

> again sometime over the past year. Changed some things in my

lifestyle and

> those specific attacks stopped happening although some of the residual

> " presence " of a gall bladder with stone(s) is still with me...or

it's something else.

>

> Most recently, I'm having that muscle-like discomfort between my

shoulder

> blades, more specifically- at a spot I can put my finger on. It's

like a muscular

> knot and I've tried a lot of things to remedy it from a

muscular-skeletal

> standpoint.

>

> Weeks before that my lower back had been stiff and aching (with good

reason)

> until last weekend when I woke up achey all over and my bowel

movements had

> been slow to none over the holiday weekend. Seemed like an

intestinal thing akin

> to a 24 to 48 hour virus ort something. Now all that has improved

(with the

> right effort), except the discomfort has now settled in the shoulder

blade

> after with the left blade being the more predominant area.

>

> I'd swear that there seems to be something that travels around our

bodies (or

> at least mine) and when it tires of one place it moves to another...

right

> now my shoulder blade area. (Anyone else ever experienced this

phenomena of the

> 'mobile malady'...(for lack of a better description)?)

>

> So maybe it's time for a another flush, perhaps, as soon as this

weekend...

>

> Best,

>

> Fran

>

>

> **************

> It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your

> travel deal here.

>

> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure where to buy AF Beta foods and also where do I buy epsom

salts?

Is it ok to drink epsom salts anyway what do they do for you? and what

is it that Acid cider vinegar does>I am often seen swigging it from a

bottle as soon as I get a twinge of pain

Thank you all for your input it all really does help thank you so much.

>

> >

> > well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

> >

> > the doctors called me back today for an appointment and reccomended

i

> > have my GB removed..

> >

> > i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what

> > not to

> > eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

> >

> > he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to

tell

> > me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in

danger

> > of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

> >

> > but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in 6

> > months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the

> > last

> > one.

> >

> > He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they did

> > it.

> >

> > Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me

> > sooooo

> > much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

> >

> >

> >

>

> Battaglia

> Tel 818 897 8500

> Cel 818 268 5395

> fbattaglia@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I am not sure where to buy AF Beta foods and also where do I buy epsom

> salts?

>

> and what is it that Acid cider vinegar does>I am often seen swigging it

> from a

> bottle as soon as I get a twinge of pain

Call chiropractors in your area and ask if they sell A-F Betafood from

Standard Process Labs. I buy direct from the company (you have to subscribe

to Dr. West's newsletter to buy direct, but I've subscribed since 1992).

Some massage therapists sell it. A few health food stores carry it.

Apple cider vinegar is an antifungal.

Amber

[Guest guest]

You can buy AF Beta food directly from Standard Process on line just

google standard process

Epsom salts dilate to allow stones easier passage through the ducts

Drinking carbonated water with meals is helpful

the tinctures mentioned below will also help

good luck

On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:51 AM, feb4512 wrote:

>

> I am not sure where to buy AF Beta foods and also where do I buy epsom

> salts?

>

> Is it ok to drink epsom salts anyway what do they do for you? and what

> is it that Acid cider vinegar does>I am often seen swigging it from a

> bottle as soon as I get a twinge of pain

>

> Thank you all for your input it all really does help thank you so

> much.

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

> > >

> > > the doctors called me back today for an appointment and

> reccomended

> i

> > > have my GB removed..

> > >

> > > i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what

> > > not to

> > > eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

> > >

> > > he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to

> tell

> > > me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in

> danger

> > > of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

> > >

> > > but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me

> in 6

> > > months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the

> > > last

> > > one.

> > >

> > > He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they

> did

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me

> > > sooooo

> > > much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Battaglia

> > Tel 818 897 8500

> > Cel 818 268 5395

> > fbattaglia@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> You can buy AF Beta food directly from Standard Process on line just

> google standard process

Thanks! That's good to know. It used to be available only if a person had

a subscription to Health Alert. Then they could buy from the manufacturer.

Then I learned that my local chiropractor carried products from Standard

Process.

Amber

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the advice on where to buy the AF Beta foods..what are

these excactly are they a suplement ?

Also I was under the impression that Acid cider vinegar was to ease the

pain if you felt a gall bladder attack coming on?That is what I have

been doing drinking it if my stomach started to go hard and swell as

that has usually been the sign that an attack was about to start and so

far I havent had another bad attack.

I am worried as I am going on holiday for 2 weeks next week and feel

nervous that I may get an attack whilst I am away Oh My goodness what

would I do in a foreign country and I am alone the first week. Any tips

please.

Is there anything I can take with me ?Do you think I need to get the AF

Beta foods before I go away?

Hope I dont sound silly

> >

> > >

> > > well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

> > >

> > > the doctors called me back today for an appointment and

reccomended

> i

> > > have my GB removed..

> > >

> > > i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what

> > > not to

> > > eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

> > >

> > > he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to

> tell

> > > me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in

> danger

> > > of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

> > >

> > > but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in

6

> > > months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the

> > > last

> > > one.

> > >

> > > He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they

did

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me

> > > sooooo

> > > much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Battaglia

> > Tel 818 897 8500

> > Cel 818 268 5395

> > fbattaglia@

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks again Dave.

>

> We all got to get out of this mind set that the Drs. are the authority

on health. You have a gallbladder attack so bad you think you are going

to die so as all of us do we go to the doctor 'cuz the pain is too

great. They tell us things like " your gallbladder has no use " and in our

semi state of consciousness (literally) we record this as fact

(literally again. It has to do with the recording of information and

stimuli. Our conscious minds are able to process 40 bits of information

per second; the unconscious mind-40 million! The difference is that in

lower states of consciousness we cannot discriminate. This is why

children up to about the age of 5-6 cannot understand humor, no matter

how well intentioned.). His statement is indicative of both his

" knowledge " and value as an authority. Run, do not walk from this

lunatic. Knife in hand, blood shot eyes, ready to lop off anything

within reach. Sorry for the graphic exaggeration but with an attitude

and knowledge base like that, effectively the same. You may still decide

to have your gallbladder out at a later time. But if you do, it should

be your choice; not you doctors, and it should be after you have pursued

every avenue of trying to heal it.

> Ah, but he will say, " It is not working anyhow, so it is not doing

anything. " ... If you leave your lights on, and your battery is dead do

you trash it, or do you try and charge it back up first?

> Joan, think of your gallbladder as this tired but tireless employee

that works 24/7 for you 365 to attempt to assure that you have the very

best lipid digestion possible. She has a position that no one else can

fill. She is still coming to work even though she is very, very sick.

She use to do her job immaculately, but because of her illness she is

not performing up to snuff. She very well may have the ability to

perform at that level again if she gets over her illness... Do you hire

a very, very expensive accountant that says " Fire her and ditch the

entire position, you can still function without it. " ? Or, do you invest

some time and money into helping her get back on her feet?

> There is plenty of info on the group about what to do in order to try

and save your gallbladder. The immediate issue is a battle of thought,

emotions, and imprinted societal learning. As the bumper sticker says,

" question authority " .

>

> Always, in all ways,

> -Dave

> Doctors want to remove my Gall bladder

>

>

>

> well after a bad attack for over 8 hours plus in early july

>

> the doctors called me back today for an appointment and reccomended i

> have my GB removed..

>

> i said i had joined this group and have beenggetting info on what not

to

> eat and how to prevent an attack if i felt one coming on..

>

> he raised his eyebrows as if i was a little mad then proceeded to tell

> me my GB has no use and that if i didnt have it removed i am in danger

> of pancreitis infection and too many others to remember..

>

> but said if i want to do that then thats ok and he will see me in 6

> months but to go to A + E if I had a serious attack again like the

last

> one.

>

> He also did a LFT ad apparently it was very high last time they did

it.

>

> Any help or advice apreciated I love this group it has helped me

sooooo

> much and also upped the sales of Apple Cider vinegar!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Is there anything I can take with me ?Do you think I need to get the AF

> Beta foods before I go away?

>

Yes!!! Absolutely, get some and take the bottle with you. Take some daily

and, if you get any twinges, take more. They are a natural supplement in a

very tiny tablet form. I won't be without them.

Amber