Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 If you can't do the flush then you need someone to work on your right foot and work the meridian all the way up to the point of the GB on the torso of the body. Also I suggest you do lots of Castor oil packs over the liver area for several days. This softens the stones and helps the body to allow them to move out. The meridian is going to be very sore all the way up, but it only shows you are on the right spot to work. Get a chart that shows these meridians in the body and use it to do this. I have had it done and know it works. I have done flushes that I could not keep the mix down. The Castor oil pack is easy and soothing. You will need a heating pad for this as the heat drives the oil into the body and softens the liver and stones and helps the GB to work better too in emptying. Hope this helps. > > I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 have you completely changed your diet? I have since my attack two weeks ago and I feel an improvement. Also, I have in the past done cleanses along the lines of Anne Wigmore or Hulda e---completely cleaned out my intestinal track with high colonics. This helped a lot. of course, at the time I wasn't aware I had a gallbladder problem. I would do a cleanse and then return to unhealthy high fat eating. This was probably a double whammy shock on my system, but I felt better with the cleanses and maintaining healthy eating afterwards is key. My friend has a place in Costa Rica where they do cleanses in a controlled environment and then do gallbladder/liver flushes at the end. becometocostrica.com is her website. all the best ________________________________ From: White Dove <whitedove@...> gallstones Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:21:33 PM Subject: Can't do flush I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 >I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do >the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small >amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have >tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the >verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > A-F Betafood tablets from Standard Process Labs. Sold by some chiropractors. Make some phone calls. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 http://www.medhelp.org/forums/gastro/messages/38229.html read these and you won't have surgery--- I use the lightest extra vigin olive oil and it goes down easier with red grapefruit juice ---works well with lemon too-- and for the epsom salts I drink it down with some kind of berry juice or apple-- cranberry as well I hate this been doing it for a few years already-- wish I knew how to stop making the stones or whatever it is -- but everytime I read and hear worse stories I keep flushing--- need to do at least once a year--twice would be best. But I go back to old habits--eating Italian--but still lots of fish, veggies and fruit-- really a healthy diet but still get stones--funny low cholestrol numbers great blood work but the fat goes in the GB---I guess better than the veins!!!!! oh question does anyone itch with this---why I have to do a flush today I have been itching all over---dry skin and scalp---and hands big time--really painful to itch all day--- How I knew it was flush time----lol > > > > >I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do > >the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small > >amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have > >tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the > >verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > A-F Betafood tablets from Standard Process Labs. Sold by some > chiropractors. Make some phone calls. > > Amber > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've never had any stones to my knowledge, so I don't know how much this applies. I have a non-functioning gall bladder (diagnosed) and probably a fatty liver (my diagnosis). I had arthritis for over 3 years and knew that it was related. I started having gall bladder attacks a couple of years ago, and go through periods of eating really well, and then sliding until I'm eating really badly. I'm hoping that won't happen again. I did a two day " detox " recently and the results are amazing. So I'm going to keep eating as good as possible. Even more importantly than being able to eat without pain, my arthritis went away and so did my cat allergies. I must have really done a good job cleaning out my liver! Hopefully this will be incentive enough to keep eating well. We'll see. Just take it one day at a time and eat Italian for special occasions only. And perhaps, instead of flushing, try keeping the liver working optimally by detoxing once a month and giving it lots of water everyday. Evie > > http://www.medhelp.org/forums/gastro/messages/38229.html > > read these and you won't have surgery--- > > I use the lightest extra vigin olive oil and it goes down easier with > red grapefruit juice ---works well with lemon too-- > > and for the epsom salts I drink it down with some kind of berry juice > or apple-- > > cranberry as well > > I hate this been doing it for a few years already-- > > wish I knew how to stop making the stones or whatever it is -- > > but everytime I read and hear worse stories I keep flushing--- > > need to do at least once a year--twice would be best. > > But I go back to old habits--eating Italian--but still lots of fish, > veggies and fruit-- > > really a healthy diet but still get stones--funny low cholestrol > numbers great blood work but the fat goes in the GB---I guess better > than the veins!!!!! > > > oh question does anyone itch with this---why I have to do a flush > today I have been itching all over---dry skin and scalp---and hands > big time--really painful to itch all day--- > > How I knew it was flush time----lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 If your arthritis is rheumatoid, the cause may be food allergies. In fact, my doctor stated that he has never had a patient with an auto- immune disorder (such as rheumatoid arthritis) that didn't have food allergies. The most common culprits are gluten and diary. Food allergies also play havoc on the liver and GB. > > > > http://www.medhelp.org/forums/gastro/messages/38229.html > > > > read these and you won't have surgery--- > > > > I use the lightest extra vigin olive oil and it goes down easier > with > > red grapefruit juice ---works well with lemon too-- > > > > and for the epsom salts I drink it down with some kind of berry > juice > > or apple-- > > > > cranberry as well > > > > I hate this been doing it for a few years already-- > > > > wish I knew how to stop making the stones or whatever it is -- > > > > but everytime I read and hear worse stories I keep flushing--- > > > > need to do at least once a year--twice would be best. > > > > But I go back to old habits--eating Italian--but still lots of fish, > > veggies and fruit-- > > > > really a healthy diet but still get stones--funny low cholestrol > > numbers great blood work but the fat goes in the GB---I guess better > > than the veins!!!!! > > > > > > oh question does anyone itch with this---why I have to do a flush > > today I have been itching all over---dry skin and scalp---and hands > > big time--really painful to itch all day--- > > > > How I knew it was flush time----lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 do a search on serrapeptase--really works on arthritis---great product > > > > http://www.medhelp.org/forums/gastro/messages/38229.html > > > > read these and you won't have surgery--- > > > > I use the lightest extra vigin olive oil and it goes down easier > with > > red grapefruit juice ---works well with lemon too-- > > > > and for the epsom salts I drink it down with some kind of berry > juice > > or apple-- > > > > cranberry as well > > > > I hate this been doing it for a few years already-- > > > > wish I knew how to stop making the stones or whatever it is -- > > > > but everytime I read and hear worse stories I keep flushing--- > > > > need to do at least once a year--twice would be best. > > > > But I go back to old habits--eating Italian--but still lots of fish, > > veggies and fruit-- > > > > really a healthy diet but still get stones--funny low cholestrol > > numbers great blood work but the fat goes in the GB---I guess better > > than the veins!!!!! > > > > > > oh question does anyone itch with this---why I have to do a flush > > today I have been itching all over---dry skin and scalp---and hands > > big time--really painful to itch all day--- > > > > How I knew it was flush time----lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Great posts here guys. Glad your still feeling better Evie. Healing is quite a journey eh? Interesting that you mentioned the allergies and liver/gb. Since the liver breaks down blood fibrinogen it would make sense that if its impaired in some way (maybe by food allergies) that this fibrin leads to sticky blood (Hypercoagulation/Rouleaux). This will lead to poor circulation which is one of the main problems for people with arthritis of any kind. If these globs of multiple red blood cells which are stuck together cant fit into the capillary beds which feed our body cells then all sorts of problems could occur I would imagine. It was just this morning when I did a google search for " how to break up scar tissue " Neprinol was mentioned a few times on different sites, some were chat rooms like this. 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CO-Q10 will fight free radicals and aid in reducing stress on the heart. ***Do not take NEPRINOL® without the consent of your physician if you are currently taking anti-coagulants or you are pregnant or lactating (as these subjects have not yet been tested). -- In gallstones , " tina83862 " <tina83862@...> wrote: > > > do a search on serrapeptase--really works on arthritis---great product > > > > > > > > > > http://www.medhelp.org/forums/gastro/messages/38229.html > > > > > > read these and you won't have surgery--- > > > > > > I use the lightest extra vigin olive oil and it goes down easier > > with > > > red grapefruit juice ---works well with lemon too-- > > > > > > and for the epsom salts I drink it down with some kind of berry > > juice > > > or apple-- > > > > > > cranberry as well > > > > > > I hate this been doing it for a few years already-- > > > > > > wish I knew how to stop making the stones or whatever it is -- > > > > > > but everytime I read and hear worse stories I keep flushing--- > > > > > > need to do at least once a year--twice would be best. > > > > > > But I go back to old habits--eating Italian--but still lots of fish, > > > veggies and fruit-- > > > > > > really a healthy diet but still get stones--funny low cholestrol > > > numbers great blood work but the fat goes in the GB---I guess better > > > than the veins!!!!! > > > > > > > > > oh question does anyone itch with this---why I have to do a flush > > > today I have been itching all over---dry skin and scalp---and hands > > > big time--really painful to itch all day--- > > > > > > How I knew it was flush time----lol > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I wanted to add something else I found online. I was looking at the relationship between arthritis and the liver, when I found a site that gave 4 steps on detoxing. One of the first steps was to " clean the mouth " so to speak, which is funny because in the last year I had all amalgam fillings removed and also bad teeth pulled. So I definitely think that has helped. As I age, I'm actually feeling younger, because I'm getting wiser and doing what I need to do to get healthy. I started by getting rid of the biggest stressor in my life- my husband- who I only have to deal with now a couple of times a week. HUGE difference. Then my teeth, and now my diet/ detox plan. I'm also exercising everyday, just enough to get the blood moving, bone built up, and muscles stretched. I finally feel like I'm on the right path and things are actually working. I wish the same for you all! Evie > > Great posts here guys. Glad your still feeling better Evie. Healing > is quite a journey eh? > > Interesting that you mentioned the allergies and liver/gb. Since the > liver breaks down blood fibrinogen it would make sense that if its > impaired in some way (maybe by food allergies) that this fibrin leads > to sticky blood (Hypercoagulation/Rouleaux). This will lead to poor > circulation which is one of the main problems for people with > arthritis of any kind. If these globs of multiple red blood cells > which are stuck together cant fit into the capillary beds which feed > our body cells then all sorts of problems could occur I would imagine. > > It was just this morning when I did a google search for " how to break > up scar tissue " Neprinol was mentioned a few times on different > sites, some were chat rooms like this. I've never tried it but if it > can eat up scar tissue, improve circulation while reducing the chance > of heart attack then I'm going to try it. Its rather pricey but I > think since it contains 11 things including nattokinase, serropeptase > and C0 Q10 it might be worth it. > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 That's not gonna happen. I'd have to get him out of the freezer, thaw him out, sew all the parts back together, and see what happens. And that's way too much work. So you'll just have to take my word for it. Sorry! ) Evie > > Interesting story, I am curious to hear your husband(s) comments on this subject to balance this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 iF i WERE YOU I'D JUST DO THE FLUSH AND FEEL SICK UNTIL IT IS DONE - SURE BEATS HAVE THE gb OUT. From: White Dove <whitedove@...> Subject: Can't do flush gallstones Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:21 PM I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 lets see - drink olive oil, think positive thoughts, or have surgery? Lets see, I would go for olive oil. From: White Dove <whitedoveetex (DOT) net> Subject: Can't do flush gallstones@gro ups.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:21 PM I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I was really nervous about it too. Did not sleep well that night, next time I will sleep better. It was a cake walk compared to what I think surgery is. I thought positive thoughts for two days. Got many stones out. Still more to go. It works. I did my first flush two weeks ago. From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Jay Grosflam Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:08 PM gallstones Subject: Re: Can't do flush lets see - drink olive oil, think positive thoughts, or have surgery? Lets see, I would go for olive oil. From: White Dove <whitedoveetex (DOT) net> Subject: Can't do flush gallstones@gro ups.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:21 PM I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 good job. From: White Dove <whitedoveetex (DOT) net> Subject: Can't do flush gallstones@gro ups.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:21 PM I am having a lot of continuous pain with my gallbladder. I am unable to do the flush because it makes me very sick. I have even tried taking a small amount daily. I reflux the oil really bad and just feel horrid. I have tried every other natural treatment I have found, with no luck. I am on the verge of having surgery. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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