Re: Chancha piedra

January 8, 2009

Hey Dave and All,

Thanks again for the support. I can't express enough how helpful you all are

and how grateful I am for all this great info.

So, are you suggesting taking the chanca piedra along with hare's ear (can't

remember latin spelling too readily).

I love the chanca piedra. I can actually feel some of it's effects on me (makes

me sleepy and relaxed). I sleep all night when take it. I feel more focused

(especially after a flush). I haven't been depressed and haven't taken any

anti-depressant meds since I had " the " gall bladder attack -- my liver enzymes

tests results were elevated when I was in hospital. Now they are fine.

Surgeon came into my room next morning after my attack and said " Your gall

bladder is inflamed. We are going to have to take it out " ....I responded, " Not

today you're not " . He became irritated and left the room. I was wasting his

time. I think he may need a good flush. His bank account is probably flush

enough..

Anyway, ranting and venting....thx.

Rose

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From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

gallstones <gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:52:38 PM

Subject: Chancha piedra

Just to clarify for everyone: Chancha piedra is Phyllanthus nururi. Chancha

piedra being the name of which it is known in South and Central America

(nickname breakstone). It is a staple herb in Ayurveda and Unani Tib as well,

being known in Sanskrit as bhumy amalaki. I could wax positively for hours on

this herb. This is one of the finest " liver " herbs on the planet. A couple of

stand out qualities: Along with bupleurum falcatum (hare's ear, thoroughwax)

both herbs have been shown to increase the bodies production of interferon.

Making them both spectacular antivirals as well for retroviruses such as hep C

for instance. It is however critical not to take them if on interferon therapy

for a form of interferon induced pneumonia can occur (better to get of the

interferon.. . nasty, nasty stuff. Phenomenal when you make it, destructive

when they add it exogenously) . Probably one of the most important aspects of

phylanthus is that it is not only

liver detoxifying and liver protective but is also know in ayurveda as liver

regenerative. Keep in mind that the liver is the most regenerative organ in the

body outside of hair, skin (including the lining of the digestive tract), and

nails. Cool huh?

The miracle is that we are still living and breathing after all we have done to

ourselves. These and other liver herbs such as coptis, rhubarb, golden coin

grass (lysmatchia) , etc. help to dissolve stones by increasing the production

of bile thereby thinning out the sludge and eating away at the conglomerations.

Other herbs contain terpene compounds which are volatile oils that help to break

up and disperse masses. Boldo, peppermint, oregano, etc. Point being; give it

the double whammy if you like. And then there are either the bile acids

themselves or acids that have a similar effect such as acetic (vinegar) and

malic (apples and other members of the malus family). Keep in mind that bile is

composed mainly of water (the more the merrier by the way), bile salts (bile

acids bonded to minerals), cholesterol, lecithin (an essential emulsifier), and

bilirubin (dead red blood cells, or technically the pigment thereof). So the

secret to the dissolution

of the stones is the balance of the above constituents. Water, lecithin, bile

acids, being dissolving. Extra bile being dissolving. The terpenes being

dissolving.

Also keep in mind that dissolving gallstones is just one part of the issue.

Other parts may include but are not all inclusive such as: How did you get them

in the first place? Diet, lifestyle, hormonal dysfunction (thyroid), etc.

Liver dysfunctions; Drinking in excess, hep, other illnesses such as viral or

bacterial. As most have found out in this group: This is the beginning not the

end. If one thinks that they can just do a flush, release their stones, and go

on living the same way they have, they may be in for a very unhappy surprise. I

am amazed at the way that some people on this group have totally restructured

their lifestyle in a possitive way and embarked on a whole new way of living and

in some cases learning...

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

January 8, 2009

One or the other is fine. The reason you sleep better is because the

phyllanthus is " liver sedative " . It is cooling and draining pulling the " liver

chi " down (proper direction), thereby reducing " rising liver yang " which is

going to your head, interfering with your sleep patterns. So the better sleep is

an indication of all the lovely things the herbs and flushing are doing for your

liver...

-d

Chancha piedra