Re: Fear of nausea/vomiting...

[Guest guest]

>I am 54 and am returning to liver flushing after having been away for 30

>years.

> I did a lot of flushes in my twenties but not since then.

> I have a fear of nausea and vomiting and would very much like to find

> someone in this group who has had some kind fear like this

> and has not let this fear get in the way of flushing.

> I am hoping to find someone willing to be a temporary " flush buddy " ...

> someone able to " be there for me " ...from experience...be reassuring

> if I get scared...just lending a hand so I can get back in the swing of

> this.

> Thanks.

> michael

>

>

I've done 3 flushes and there was never a hint of nausea or vomiting. That

you are even concerned about this surprises me. I can't imagine what kind

of a flush you did that made you vomit.

Amber

[Guest guest]

Try consulting with a hypnotherapist - they should be able to get u

thru the fear factor

good luck

FB

On Sep 16, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Amber wrote:

>

>

> >I am 54 and am returning to liver flushing after having been away

> for 30

> >years.

> > I did a lot of flushes in my twenties but not since then.

> > I have a fear of nausea and vomiting and would very much like to

> find

> > someone in this group who has had some kind fear like this

> > and has not let this fear get in the way of flushing.

> > I am hoping to find someone willing to be a temporary " flush

> buddy " ...

> > someone able to " be there for me " ...from experience...be reassuring

> > if I get scared...just lending a hand so I can get back in the

> swing of

> > this.

> > Thanks.

> > michael

> >

> >

>

> I've done 3 flushes and there was never a hint of nausea or

> vomiting. That

> you are even concerned about this surprises me. I can't imagine what

> kind

> of a flush you did that made you vomit.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ~I had that same fear, and I did throw up the first time, but it was

because I drank the oil too quickly, and I was nervous. I had also eaten too

much that day. It helps if you don't eat any fat especially that day, and to

not drink or eat anything after 2:00. This is the Hulda way, and it

seems to work for most people. I still managed to get some stones out, tho.

Don't forget to breathe!

If you go back and read some of the old stuff, there are some really good tips

on what people have done to get the stuff down. Someone said they mixed the

epsom salts with grapefruit juice, and I hadn't thought of that, but it does

go down better. After the first time it's usually easier.

Good luck!

herbladie

Fear of nausea/vomiting...

I am 54 and am returning to liver flushing after having been away for 30

years.

I did a lot of flushes in my twenties but not since then.

I have a fear of nausea and vomiting and would very much like to find

someone in this group who has had some kind fear like this

and has not let this fear get in the way of flushing.

I am hoping to find someone willing to be a temporary " flush buddy " ...

someone able to " be there for me " ...from experience...be reassuring

if I get scared...just lending a hand so I can get back in the swing of this.

Thanks.

michael

[Guest guest]

Hi Micheal,

I have to ask what procedure you have done with the flushes and did you

fast for any length of time before starting the flush?

G Murray

mday108 wrote:

>

> I am 54 and am returning to liver flushing after having been away for

> 30 years.

> I did a lot of flushes in my twenties but not since then.

> I have a fear of nausea and vomiting and would very much like to find

> someone in this group who has had some kind fear like this

> and has not let this fear get in the way of flushing.

> I am hoping to find someone willing to be a temporary " flush buddy " ...

> someone able to " be there for me " ...from experience...be reassuring

> if I get scared...just lending a hand so I can get back in the swing

> of this.

> Thanks.

> michael

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have read that some people put tomatoe juice in with the

EVOO/grapefruit juice to minimize any nausia. Of course, remember

that most people don't get nausia anyway.

>

>

>

> >I am 54 and am returning to liver flushing after having been away

for 30

> >years.

> > I did a lot of flushes in my twenties but not since then.

> > I have a fear of nausea and vomiting and would very much like to

find

> > someone in this group who has had some kind fear like this

> > and has not let this fear get in the way of flushing.

> > I am hoping to find someone willing to be a temporary " flush

buddy " ...

> > someone able to " be there for me " ...from experience...be

reassuring

> > if I get scared...just lending a hand so I can get back in the

swing of

> > this.

> > Thanks.

> > michael

> >

> >

>

> I've done 3 flushes and there was never a hint of nausea or

vomiting. That

> you are even concerned about this surprises me. I can't imagine

what kind

> of a flush you did that made you vomit.

>

> Amber

>

[Guest guest]

On Sep 16, 2008, at 7:21 PM, G Murray wrote:

> Hi Micheal,

>

> I have to ask what procedure you have done with the flushes and did

> you

> fast for any length of time before starting the flush?

>

> G Murray

>

I should clarify what I originally wrote...

When I was 7 years old, my tonsils were removed.

Ten days later, my adenoids ruptured.

We lived 90 miles from the hospital

and the whole way there...

I threw up clots of blood the size of my fist.

Even after over 2700 hours as a client in therapy

and then training and practicing for 30 years

as a spiritually oriented psychotherapist...

I have not been able to release the association

between nausea and vomiting and the threat of death.

I have applied just about everything...

hypnotherapy...EFT...NLP...etc etc etc.

BTW...I also have a 25 year professional background

in natural medicine consulting.

Some people on this list have written that nausea and vomiting

is not a side effect of the flush.

If you read more thoroughly throughout the web...

there are many accounts of this happening.

The most usual case is with people who do not digest fat well

and the other is when bile moves up into the stomach.

I am well aware that the majority of people do not have this happen.

I am very educated about the flush...

I am also comfortable doing extensive pre-flush...

with coffee enema...castor oil pak...mallic acid...orthophos etc.

I also know about using coca cola for nausea etc.

I think more than anything...

I was looking for some simple very basic reassurance...

from people who had a decent amount of experience with the flush...

that if someone is diligent with preparation...

still to date...

nobody has gotten into serious trouble with this...?

The fear for me is particularly connected with throwing up bile

which is not completely irrational for me

because I have migraines (liver/gb)...

and frequent soreness in upper right abdomen...

and a very sluggish bowel....

all of which clearly hint at a deficient bile flow.

So...I really think the need more than anything

was simply for a bit of community with experienced peers.

Plus...I presently live on an island

off the coast of Venezuela

where I have basically

none of the support community

that I had in the states.

I hope this is clearer...

Thanks to everyone for trying to respond to me.

ubuntu!

michael

[Guest guest]

Hey there ,

There is no rhyme or reason on the nausea issue. As you say poor fat

digestion is a possible player but everyone with gallbladder problems has poor

fat digestion. The biggest factor seems to be movement after ingestion. Very

important to have the slurry ready by the bedside reach over and ingest, then

immediately move into the position. Best to use the bathroom before so as to

not have to get up soon afterwards. Ginger is spectacular for nausea if it

occurs. Many people keep ginger candy or candied ginger right by the bed in

case. You can also suck on it prophylacticly too in order to keep it from

occurring. The best way to limit the chance of nausea is to do lots of

liver/gallbladder work for several months before the flush if you are not in

immediate crisis. Liver/gallbladder herbs, malic acid, lecithin, lot's of

water magnesium, cold pressed oils, etc. The flushes are just one method and

one part of the total program. It is possible to clean up the liver/gallbladder

without ever performing a flush it is just that the flushes are quick, powerful

and if you are lucky, effective the first time out.

Considering your sluggish bowel, using an herb long term that contains the

anthroquinones will both stimulate bile flow and increase bowel movement

frequency. Rhubarb root is an excellent mild one. Liver herbs that " sedate the

liver " such as baical scullcap root, bupleurum, chancha peidra, or celandine

will calm the big beast at the same time that they are detoxifying. There may

not be a need to put yourself in the position where you would risk the chance of

nausea.

All the best,

-Dave

Re: Fear of nausea/vomiting...

On Sep 16, 2008, at 7:21 PM, G Murray wrote:

> Hi Micheal,

>

> I have to ask what procedure you have done with the flushes and did

> you

> fast for any length of time before starting the flush?

>

> G Murray

>

I should clarify what I originally wrote...

When I was 7 years old, my tonsils were removed.

Ten days later, my adenoids ruptured.

We lived 90 miles from the hospital

and the whole way there...

I threw up clots of blood the size of my fist.

Even after over 2700 hours as a client in therapy

and then training and practicing for 30 years

as a spiritually oriented psychotherapist...

I have not been able to release the association

between nausea and vomiting and the threat of death.

I have applied just about everything...

hypnotherapy...EFT...NLP...etc etc etc.

BTW...I also have a 25 year professional background

in natural medicine consulting.

Some people on this list have written that nausea and vomiting

is not a side effect of the flush.

If you read more thoroughly throughout the web...

there are many accounts of this happening.

The most usual case is with people who do not digest fat well

and the other is when bile moves up into the stomach.

I am well aware that the majority of people do not have this happen.

I am very educated about the flush...

I am also comfortable doing extensive pre-flush...

with coffee enema...castor oil pak...mallic acid...orthophos etc.

I also know about using coca cola for nausea etc.

I think more than anything...

I was looking for some simple very basic reassurance...

from people who had a decent amount of experience with the flush...

that if someone is diligent with preparation...

still to date...

nobody has gotten into serious trouble with this...?

The fear for me is particularly connected with throwing up bile

which is not completely irrational for me

because I have migraines (liver/gb)...

and frequent soreness in upper right abdomen...

and a very sluggish bowel....

all of which clearly hint at a deficient bile flow.

So...I really think the need more than anything

was simply for a bit of community with experienced peers.

Plus...I presently live on an island

off the coast of Venezuela

where I have basically

none of the support community

that I had in the states.

I hope this is clearer...

Thanks to everyone for trying to respond to me.

ubuntu!

michael

[Guest guest]

Hi Micheal,

The reason I ask is that it is a big difference between lemon and

grapefruit juice. I hear from people who use lemon juice talk about

nauseousness and throwing up. I do not think grapefruit juice and olive

oil tastes so bad. I am pretty sure I could swallow olive oil by its

self though. I think lemon juice would be too strong and acidic

undiluted like some flushes call for. ( they say to take it straight

with out mixing and alternating it with the olive oil) The people who

do this are the ones that I usually hear of not keeping it down.

I have more problems with the epsom salts. I tried the cleanse once by

trying to dissolve them in cold water, because I did not prepare them

early enough in the day, " They " said the taste much better cold

sooo.... needless to say I will not be doing that again. They went

down my throat like shards of glass. : (

I am thinking that the longer that one has fasted before taking the

epsom salt / grapefruit juice-olive oil solutions the better off one

would be with the flush. I routinely do these flushes with the master

cleanse which is a fast. I have done them every 2 weeks at the end of

a 4 or 5 day fast. The fast is with lemon juice which is very good for

the liver and I do see very pronounced health benefits when I do these

series of flushes and fasts.

I hope your flush goes well. I would try the mixtures a little a head

of time to get used to the taste. It may help in keeping it down. Oh

also, I dissolve my epsom salts in a cup of warm eater then add it to

fresh squeezed large grapefruit juice. Enough to make it the 3 cups.

The epsom salts will taste much better.

G

Day wrote:

>

>

> On Sep 16, 2008, at 7:21 PM, G Murray wrote:

>

> > Hi Micheal,

> >

> > I have to ask what procedure you have done with the flushes and did

> > you

> > fast for any length of time before starting the flush?

> >

> > G Murray

> >

>

> I should clarify what I originally wrote...

>

> When I was 7 years old, my tonsils were removed.

> Ten days later, my adenoids ruptured.

> We lived 90 miles from the hospital

> and the whole way there...

> I threw up clots of blood the size of my fist.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi...

I really appreciate what you wrote to me.

You are right about combining vs doing items separately.

back in eighties when I last flushed...

we were very disciplined and did it...

one ounce olive oil...one ounce juice...until you had finished it all.

It actually made a LOT of sense because when it was layered...

you would assist the process of getting a contraction of the gall

bladder

followed by an expansion followed by a contraction and so on.

I will try and read through old emails here.

thanks again.

michael

On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:36 PM, ROBERT D MARILYN J DOUGHTY wrote:

> Hi ~I had that same fear, and I did throw up the first time,

> but it was because I drank the oil too quickly, and I was nervous. I

> had also eaten too much that day. It helps if you don't eat any fat

> especially that day, and to not drink or eat anything after 2:00.

> This is the Hulda way, and it seems to work for most people. I

> still managed to get some stones out, tho. Don't forget to breathe!

> If you go back and read some of the old stuff, there are some really

> good tips on what people have done to get the stuff down. Someone

> said they mixed the epsom salts with grapefruit juice, and I hadn't

> thought of that, but it does go down better. After the first time

> it's usually easier.

> Good luck!

> herbladie

>

[Guest guest]

> I think more than anything...

> I was looking for some simple very basic reassurance...

> from people who had a decent amount of experience with the flush...

> that if someone is diligent with preparation...

> still to date...

> nobody has gotten into serious trouble with this...?

I am so glad you have gone into more explanation here. No, it doesn't sound

like people are having problems with vomiting from the flushes, however, it

sounds like your apprehension about even the possibility of it is now very

understandable! In the beginning, I was wondering why a grown man would

even think this way. Childhood experiences can affect a grown person's

emotions for the rest of their lives. It sounds like this is a

psychological problem that need addressing. I got stuck on the very top of

what was said to have been the world's tallest ferris wheel by myself, in

the dark, for half an hour. Even today at the age of 70, I have quite a

fear of heights. I hope you can find someone to help you get over this

fear.

> So...I really think the need more than anything

> was simply for a bit of community with experienced peers.

>

> I hope this is clearer...

Yes, it is absolutely clearer. Again, thank you for going into detail.

Amber

>

> Thanks to everyone for trying to respond to me.

>

> ubuntu!

> michael

[Guest guest]

As I said before...

I have thirty years of both psychological and spiritual training

behind me.

I know that the only healing of this " speed bump " will simply be to

face it...period.

The more each of you write me...

I can tell that I have found a peer group

with whole I can step through this.

Sometimes...it's enough to know that you are not alone.

thanks again.

michael

On Sep 18, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Amber wrote:

> > I think more than anything...

> > I was looking for some simple very basic reassurance...

> > from people who had a decent amount of experience with the flush...

> > that if someone is diligent with preparation...

> > still to date...

> > nobody has gotten into serious trouble with this...?

>

> I am so glad you have gone into more explanation here. No, it

> doesn't sound

> like people are having problems with vomiting from the flushes,

> however, it

> sounds like your apprehension about even the possibility of it is

> now very

> understandable! In the beginning, I was wondering why a grown man

> would

> even think this way. Childhood experiences can affect a grown person's

> emotions for the rest of their lives. It sounds like this is a

> psychological problem that need addressing. I got stuck on the very

> top of

> what was said to have been the world's tallest ferris wheel by

> myself, in

> the dark, for half an hour. Even today at the age of 70, I have

> quite a

> fear of heights. I hope you can find someone to help you get over this

> fear.

>

> > So...I really think the need more than anything

> > was simply for a bit of community with experienced peers.

> >

> > I hope this is clearer...

> Yes, it is absolutely clearer. Again, thank you for going into detail.

> Amber

> >

> > Thanks to everyone for trying to respond to me.

> >

> > ubuntu!

> > michael

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Considering your sluggish bowel, using an herb long term that

> contains the anthroquinones will both stimulate bile flow and

> increase bowel movement frequency. Rhubarb root is an excellent mild

> one. Liver herbs that " sedate the liver " such as baical scullcap

> root, bupleurum, chancha peidra, or celandine will calm the big

> beast at the same time that they are detoxifying. There may not be a

> need to put yourself in the position where you would risk the chance

> of nausea.

>

> All the best,

>

> -Dave

>

Dave...

This was great affirmation...thanks.

Best bowel tonic I have found has turkey rhubarb number one...

supported by psyllium, cascara, slippery elm, barnery, and aloe.

Plus I have started on 's LIV/GB formula...

Barberry, wild yam, cramp bark, fennel seed, ginger,

catnip and peppermint.

Plus I have already been taking small amount

of Chang's Liver Flush herbal tinctures.

I totally agree with you...

ease during flush is directly related to diligence in prep.

I also really liked what you wrote about

NO MOVEMENT after ingesting juice and oil...

that reminded me of one time when I learned that one

the hard way.

thanks again.

michael

[Guest guest]

do pilates and yoga - this will help your digestion and elimination.

I also do pyslium and enjoy it.

Jay

Re: Fear of nausea/vomiting...

>

>

> Considering your sluggish bowel, using an herb long term that

> contains the anthroquinones will both stimulate bile flow and

> increase bowel movement frequency. Rhubarb root is an excellent mild

> one. Liver herbs that " sedate the liver " such as baical scullcap

> root, bupleurum, chancha peidra, or celandine will calm the big

> beast at the same time that they are detoxifying. There may not be a

> need to put yourself in the position where you would risk the chance

> of nausea.

>

> All the best,

>

> -Dave

>

Dave...

This was great affirmation. ..thanks.

Best bowel tonic I have found has turkey rhubarb number one...

supported by psyllium, cascara, slippery elm, barnery, and aloe.

Plus I have started on ' s LIV/GB formula...

Barberry, wild yam, cramp bark, fennel seed, ginger,

catnip and peppermint.

Plus I have already been taking small amount

of Chang's Liver Flush herbal tinctures.

I totally agree with you...

ease during flush is directly related to diligence in prep.

I also really liked what you wrote about

NO MOVEMENT after ingesting juice and oil...

that reminded me of one time when I learned that one

the hard way.

thanks again.

michael