RE: Dave.... Milk Thistle

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So, Dave what do you eat on a typical day? I eat a

bagel w/ cream cheese oatmeal that steel grain kind. 2

table spoons of brown sugar and a cup of apple juice.

Lunch: usually a salad with alittle ranch dressing and

grilled chicken slices and apple juice. And a chuck of

hawaiian bread.

Dinner: rice cakes, or quaker oat squares w/bananas

chopped and apple juice....

I eat alot of raw veggies and fruit through out the

day.... Since I started eatting like this I haven't

had any attacks. I also take milk thistle every night.

I take the 550 mg. How do you know if you need more?

also could I take dandilion root 550mg... Can you tell

me what to change in my diet. Is there a milk

subsitute for soy milk or regular milk.. thanks

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If I told you what I eat during the day, you would chase me around drooling with

a baseball bat. I spend a lot of time in the kitchen; food is transient art;

like building sand castles below the high tide zone but you get to eat them (and

they taste good). Keep in mind that I have never experienced a gallbladder

attack, I started writing on this group by the request of my very good friend

Dale (one of the moderators) to keep some of the science and facts

straight. But here are a couple of things that may be of value: I almost never

eat anything solid before noon. I know, we were all taught that breakfast is

the most important meal of the day... maybe. There is another school of

thought that says since the internal organs are doing their detox and repair

during the night that if you take in no solid food until later that this process

continues. I had done this intuitively for some time, condemning myself for it

until I saw a presentation by a doctor promoting this. For me, it only makes

sense. As I have said before, I approach zero on all high heated fats and allow

as much cold pressed oils as one would like. This has to do with structure.

Fats are not as evil as our culture has tried to make them out to be but the

form is of critical import.

Everyone is different, and this is why advise on a group like this is very

difficult. the reason for gallstones in one individual may be very different

than the reason for gallstones in another individual but we want to deal with

this in a western mindset of gallstones. Most people that experience problems

with gallstones in our (US) culture have a cold, slow, hypothyroid type of

manifestation (but not necessarily so) so to answer the question of your diet

that you describe I will come from this standpoint, but may be pinning the tail

on the other kid at the birthday party instead of the donkey:

It looks too high in carbs (those of the digestible kind) and too low in

fats. I am assuming that the cream cheese is either low fat or " no fat " . How

can they make a " no fat " cream cheese? Or sour cream for that matter.

Abominable marketing lies and perversions. Sorry for the strong language but

these foods have been manipulated to the point that they are not foods. Not in

dogmatic theory but in biochemical reality. While the below diet may keep you

from experiencing another excruciating attack, it is not " healing " the problem.

In fact it may be exacerbating the problem over time. A quantity of quality fats

is essential to the flow of bile which is essential to keeping the liver and

gallbladder clean. Triglycerides are a much larger concern than cholesterol and

it is the consumption of simple carbohydrates that are the worst in raising

those levels.

I have sat with the aforementioned Dale at a restaurant and watched this

guy pile pad after pad of butter on his food ten years after his last attack.

No problem. I am not suggesting you go out and do this tomorrow. I am sure

that some of Dale's earlier post are still in the archives. This guy past me

like I was standing still in terms of knowledge on gallbladders after he found

himself in the hospital on morphine for the attacks. I know that the posts are

also highly respected by earlier members of the group. Sorry Dale, have not

read them myself.

Hopefully the archives are filled with the posts of the likes of Dale,

Will, Vince, and all those others whose names are escaping me now.

Dandelion is great just as is milk thistle. taking both would be great but

you need to work into quantities slowly until you are sure you have your

gallbladder issues under control so as not to stimulate too much movement too

quick. The amounts mentioned are very low in my experience. It would not be

unusual for a client to be taking 6000mg of either or both of these. I am not

recommending this. These are amounts that have been derived at on an individual

basis after lengthy consideration. From the standpoint of this group though you

can make your own decisions, start out low and work your way up slowly

monitoring how you feel and what you are experiencing. Both of these herbs are

very safe. You could add dandelion leaf to your salads if you like (as long as

it is organic. never consume dandelion that is not. Dandelion has a nasty

habit of drawing up toxins from the soil even ten years after the last

application of fertilizers or pesticides. seriously).

There is rice milk that as a rule I would prefer ofer the soy milk. Soy

milks are not a fermented product and I am not a proponent of unfermented soy

products. Unless you have a specific issue with dairy, it may not be that bad

for you anyway. And I am surely not a proponent of drinking milk by the glass

but cheeses, kefir, butter (in moderation), ghee, yogurt, etc. may have their

place in human nutrition. Hope this helps,Dave

gallstones@...: admilby@...: Fri, 23 May 2008

19:11:18 -0700Subject: RE: Dave.... Milk Thistle

So, Dave what do you eat on a typical day? I eat abagel w/ cream cheese oatmeal

that steel grain kind. 2table spoons of brown sugar and a cup of apple

juice.Lunch: usually a salad with alittle ranch dressing andgrilled chicken

slices and apple juice. And a chuck ofhawaiian bread.Dinner: rice cakes, or

quaker oat squares w/bananaschopped and apple juice....I eat alot of raw veggies

and fruit through out theday.... Since I started eatting like this I haven'thad

any attacks. I also take milk thistle every night.I take the 550 mg. How do you

know if you need more?also could I take dandilion root 550mg... Can you tellme

what to change in my diet. Is there a milksubsitute for soy milk or regular

milk.. thanks

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Thank you DAve!I just need to say WOW! You've done

your homework! thanks again