Re: Re: Question about flush proceedure

January 20, 2009

Brad,

I have a bottle of Triphala from Planetary Herbals. Here is what is written on

the back of the bottle:

" Planetary Herbals TRIPHALA is a potent yet gentle formula, designed to support

the body's natural cleansing process. It has been one of the most important

formulas of Ayurvedic herbalism for thousands of years. Triphala is a balanced

blend of three Indian herbal fruits: harada, amla, and behada. This formula is

unique in that the astringent qualities of the fruits serve to tonify the colon,

thereby promoting internal cleaning naturally. "

From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@...>

Subject: Re: Question about flush proceedure

gallstones

Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 10:34 PM

Hey Elan,

Thanks for the advice.

My flush went well thanks. I got much better results on less oil

thanks to the raw beet juice every hour for 3 days prior to actually

doing the flush. Actually on this raw beet juice for the first time

I could feel bile flowing after eating meals. Grumbling is

happening which is something that the flushes never helped. Its the

betaine in the beet juice which can detox the liver and kidney and

gb stones. Amazing stuff! I only juice about 3 or 4 beets in the

morning and take about 1/2 a mouthfull every hour.

So this flush my body told me to stop drinking the olive oil and

grapefruit juice when I was half way through. So I only ended up

drinking about 1/2 a cup of olive oil and 1/2 a cup of grapefruit.

I passed probably 60 stones some an inch in size.

Probably going to start the chanca peidra and R7 soon. Has anyone

ever heard of Triphala? Its an ayervedic (sp?) herbal combo

including the Chanca Peidra.

Brad

> >

> > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

> > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

stop

> > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> >

> > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> >

> > Any imput?

> >

> > Flushing tonight

> > Brad

> >

>

January 21, 2009

Triphala is " The three fruits " The most common ayurvedic names are Amalaki,

bibitaki, and haritaki.There is no chancha piedra. Amla (amalaki) is

phyllanthus embelica, and bhumy amalaki (chancha piedra) is phyllanthus niruri.

Closely related but different. Triphala is one of the premier tonics in

ayuveda. It is mildly laxative, bile stimulating, detoxifying, tissue healing,

and cell protective. Spectacular as an everyday tonic. Typical dose is between

4-12 00 caps per day, depending on use and need. -D

Re: Question about flush proceedure

gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40>

Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 10:34 PM

Hey Elan,

Thanks for the advice.

My flush went well thanks. I got much better results on less oil

thanks to the raw beet juice every hour for 3 days prior to actually

doing the flush. Actually on this raw beet juice for the first time

I could feel bile flowing after eating meals. Grumbling is

happening which is something that the flushes never helped. Its the

betaine in the beet juice which can detox the liver and kidney and

gb stones. Amazing stuff! I only juice about 3 or 4 beets in the

morning and take about 1/2 a mouthfull every hour.

So this flush my body told me to stop drinking the olive oil and

grapefruit juice when I was half way through. So I only ended up

drinking about 1/2 a cup of olive oil and 1/2 a cup of grapefruit.

I passed probably 60 stones some an inch in size.

Probably going to start the chanca peidra and R7 soon. Has anyone

ever heard of Triphala? Its an ayervedic (sp?) herbal combo

including the Chanca Peidra.

Brad

> >

> > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

> > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

stop

> > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> >

> > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> >

> > Any imput?

> >

> > Flushing tonight

> > Brad

> >

>

January 22, 2009

hello Guys, Just to let you know that yesterday i did another ultrasound as

i went through a lot of pain at night and i ended up in ER. Ultrsound shows

no improvement, my gallstones are still the same in size after using Chanca

Piedra for almost 6 weeks besides other supplements. My pain is getting

unbearable and seems like no herb is working. I have even tried the

homeopathic stuff but all is temporary relief. Finally i have booked

appointment with my surgeon on 6th of Feb and i am going to remove my gall

bladder because it causing inflamation of my pancreas and if i get

pacreatitis then i shall be playing with my life. So why take the risk

using some herbs which do not help at all. Wish me luck!

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...>wrote:

> Triphala is " The three fruits " The most common ayurvedic names are

> Amalaki, bibitaki, and haritaki.There is no chancha piedra. Amla (amalaki)

> is phyllanthus embelica, and bhumy amalaki (chancha piedra) is phyllanthus

> niruri. Closely related but different. Triphala is one of the premier tonics

> in ayuveda. It is mildly laxative, bile stimulating, detoxifying, tissue

> healing, and cell protective. Spectacular as an everyday tonic. Typical dose

> is between 4-12 00 caps per day, depending on use and need. -D

> Re: Question about flush proceedure

> gallstones <gallstones%40><mailto:

> gallstones%40 <gallstones%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 10:34 PM

>

> Hey Elan,

> Thanks for the advice.

>

> My flush went well thanks. I got much better results on less oil

> thanks to the raw beet juice every hour for 3 days prior to actually

> doing the flush. Actually on this raw beet juice for the first time

> I could feel bile flowing after eating meals. Grumbling is

> happening which is something that the flushes never helped. Its the

> betaine in the beet juice which can detox the liver and kidney and

> gb stones. Amazing stuff! I only juice about 3 or 4 beets in the

> morning and take about 1/2 a mouthfull every hour.

>

> So this flush my body told me to stop drinking the olive oil and

> grapefruit juice when I was half way through. So I only ended up

> drinking about 1/2 a cup of olive oil and 1/2 a cup of grapefruit.

>

> I passed probably 60 stones some an inch in size.

>

> Probably going to start the chanca peidra and R7 soon. Has anyone

> ever heard of Triphala? Its an ayervedic (sp?) herbal combo

> including the Chanca Peidra.

>

> Brad

>

> > >

> > > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

>

> > > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

> stop

> > > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> > >

> > > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> > >

> > > Any imput?

> > >

> > > Flushing tonight

> > > Brad

> > >

> >

>

January 22, 2009

Brad,

At this time, I honestly can't give you any useful feeback in terms of whether

you'd be better off taking the Triphala or just the chanca piedra, based on my

knowledge of and/or experience with the herbs.

I've never taken chanca piedra, and my knowledge is limited to what's been

discusssed here on this Group.

I've only taken the Triphala twice and didn't feel anything, but perhaps with

regular use I'll begin to feel its tonifying effects.

In a recent posting, Dave mentioned that the amla (phyllanthus embelica) in

Triphala is different from chanca piedra (phyllanthus niruri).

Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge and/or experience can steer you in the

right direction. Best of luck!

From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@...>

Subject: Re: Question about flush proceedure

gallstones

Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:56 AM

Nice,

Thanks Steve for typing all that out. Sounds like great stuff. Are

you currently taking it?

I read a magazine article which talked about triphala containing

phyllanthus emblica. Is this the same as chanca peidra? I know both

are in the phyllanthus genus.

Anyways do you think i'd be better off to try the triphala or just the

chanca peidra by itself.

Thanks,

Brad

> > >

> > > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

>

> > > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

> stop

> > > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> > >

> > > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> > >

> > > Any imput?

> > >

> > > Flushing tonight

> > > Brad

> > >

> >

>

January 24, 2009

Both are beneficial. The phyllanthus nururi is the traditionally used herb for

liver complaints. I know that Rasheed is planning on pulling the plug, there

are no wrong decisions, but 6 weeks is not enough. None of this stuff works

like magic. The development of stones and the problems that result in stones

takes a long time and so does the reversal. Some people flush their stones on

the very first try, some on their sixth... But the biggest thing is this takes

a change in diet and lifestyle for most just as it took a diet and lifestyle to

create. Triphala is the kind of stuff you take everyday for the rest of your

life. Amla is the " new " " superfruit " on the functional foods and supplement

market though it has only been around for thousands of years. It by the way is

4 times higher in V-C than acerola cherries! and the molecular form is such

that it is not broken down by cooking. Amla is also called Indian Gooseberry.

The ORAC value is out the roof.

More ramblings on amla and the like later.

Re: Question about flush proceedure

gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40>

Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:56 AM

Nice,

Thanks Steve for typing all that out. Sounds like great stuff. Are

you currently taking it?

I read a magazine article which talked about triphala containing

phyllanthus emblica. Is this the same as chanca peidra? I know both

are in the phyllanthus genus.

Anyways do you think i'd be better off to try the triphala or just the

chanca peidra by itself.

Thanks,

Brad

> > >

> > > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

>

> > > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

> stop

> > > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> > >

> > > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> > >

> > > Any imput?

> > >

> > > Flushing tonight

> > > Brad

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2009

Best wishes and wishing you speebdy recovery. Lot of people had commented that

ultrasounds are fake etc. etc. and always kept quiet. At a stage in life these

stuff don't work and you ought to go for the knife else you may end up having

pancreatitis. Did not go for any flush or anything - went staright for the

surgery and have no regrets. IOt is always good to hope for the best but one

should never try to 'sell' hope!

>

> From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334<ontarioguy2334% 40>

> <mailto:ontarioguy2 334%40. com <ontarioguy2334% 2540. com>>>

> Subject: Re: Question about flush proceedure

> gallstones@gro ups.com <gallstones% 40groups. com><mailto:

> gallstones%40g roups.com <gallstones% 2540groups. com>>

>

> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 10:34 PM

>

> Hey Elan,

> Thanks for the advice.

>

> My flush went well thanks. I got much better results on less oil

> thanks to the raw beet juice every hour for 3 days prior to actually

> doing the flush. Actually on this raw beet juice for the first time

> I could feel bile flowing after eating meals. Grumbling is

> happening which is something that the flushes never helped. Its the

> betaine in the beet juice which can detox the liver and kidney and

> gb stones. Amazing stuff! I only juice about 3 or 4 beets in the

> morning and take about 1/2 a mouthfull every hour.

>

> So this flush my body told me to stop drinking the olive oil and

> grapefruit juice when I was half way through. So I only ended up

> drinking about 1/2 a cup of olive oil and 1/2 a cup of grapefruit.

>

> I passed probably 60 stones some an inch in size.

>

> Probably going to start the chanca peidra and R7 soon. Has anyone

> ever heard of Triphala? Its an ayervedic (sp?) herbal combo

> including the Chanca Peidra.

>

> Brad

>

> > >

> > > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

>

> > > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

> stop

> > > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> > >

> > > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> > >

> > > Any imput?

> > >

> > > Flushing tonight

> > > Brad

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2009

before anyone removes my gb, I would do some flushes...simple as that.

>

> From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334<ontariogu y2334% 40>

> <mailto:ontarioguy2 334%40. com <ontarioguy2334% 2540. com>>>

> Subject: Re: Question about flush proceedure

> gallstones@gro ups.com <gallstones% 40groups. com><mailto:

> gallstones%40g roups.com <gallstones% 2540groups. com>>

>

> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 10:34 PM

>

> Hey Elan,

> Thanks for the advice.

>

> My flush went well thanks. I got much better results on less oil

> thanks to the raw beet juice every hour for 3 days prior to actually

> doing the flush. Actually on this raw beet juice for the first time

> I could feel bile flowing after eating meals. Grumbling is

> happening which is something that the flushes never helped. Its the

> betaine in the beet juice which can detox the liver and kidney and

> gb stones. Amazing stuff! I only juice about 3 or 4 beets in the

> morning and take about 1/2 a mouthfull every hour.

>

> So this flush my body told me to stop drinking the olive oil and

> grapefruit juice when I was half way through. So I only ended up

> drinking about 1/2 a cup of olive oil and 1/2 a cup of grapefruit.

>

> I passed probably 60 stones some an inch in size.

>

> Probably going to start the chanca peidra and R7 soon. Has anyone

> ever heard of Triphala? Its an ayervedic (sp?) herbal combo

> including the Chanca Peidra.

>

> Brad

>

> > >

> > > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

>

> > > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

> stop

> > > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> > >

> > > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> > >

> > > Any imput?

> > >

> > > Flushing tonight

> > > Brad

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2009

Manuwar,

I am curious about something, and yes, I wish you luck.

Did you completely change your diet --- absolutely eating NO (bad) fat, no

dairy, animal fat...or fried foods whatsoever? This is important for me to know

to help me figure things out.

Rose

________________________________

From: Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...>

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:42:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Question about flush proceedure

before anyone removes my gb, I would do some flushes...simple as that.

>

> From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334<ontariogu y2334% 40>

> <mailto:ontarioguy2 334%40. com <ontarioguy2334% 2540. com>>>

> Subject: Re: Question about flush proceedure

> gallstones@gro ups.com <gallstones% 40groups. com><mailto:

> gallstones%40g roups.com <gallstones% 2540groups. com>>

>

> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 10:34 PM

>

> Hey Elan,

> Thanks for the advice.

>

> My flush went well thanks. I got much better results on less oil

> thanks to the raw beet juice every hour for 3 days prior to actually

> doing the flush. Actually on this raw beet juice for the first time

> I could feel bile flowing after eating meals. Grumbling is

> happening which is something that the flushes never helped. Its the

> betaine in the beet juice which can detox the liver and kidney and

> gb stones. Amazing stuff! I only juice about 3 or 4 beets in the

> morning and take about 1/2 a mouthfull every hour.

>

> So this flush my body told me to stop drinking the olive oil and

> grapefruit juice when I was half way through. So I only ended up

> drinking about 1/2 a cup of olive oil and 1/2 a cup of grapefruit.

>

> I passed probably 60 stones some an inch in size.

>

> Probably going to start the chanca peidra and R7 soon. Has anyone

> ever heard of Triphala? Its an ayervedic (sp?) herbal combo

> including the Chanca Peidra.

>

> Brad

>

> > >

> > > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

>

> > > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

> stop

> > > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> > >

> > > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> > >

> > > Any imput?

> > >

> > > Flushing tonight

> > > Brad

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2009

May I ask why you are so negative about those who wish to try the naturals

first? I personally would rather go natural before all else. But that is just

me, If you feel the need to have your GB taken out instead of atleast giving

the natural things a shot. Be my guest it is not my place to tell you no. I

will atleast try to presude you to try the alterntives but it is totally your

choice. Personally though I don't think 6 months is enough time for things to

work. You did not get this way overnight. So it won't go away overnight.

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January 26, 2009

Well, it is not about beliveing or not in the flushing , it is about

following the instructions of your doctor who is an expert in flushing

material and stuff. He said, probably this is not the right time. And i

just did my upper GI series tests just this morning and they did an

ultrasound again along with the tests. My problem is that my sysmptoms are

totally different from gallstone attacks. I have pain always on my left

upper stomach, which sometimes goes a litte down on lower stomach on the

left. But my family doctor insists that it is all because of gallstones. I

am really confused. I have booked an appointment with surgeon but i am NOT

going to pull the plug until i am sure it is my gallstones causing me the

problem. Hoping for the best.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:02 PM, ontarioguy2334

<ontarioguy2334@...>wrote:

> Good luck Munawar,

> I've always contested for a long time that infection and heavy metals

> play a role in liver and gb function. So maybe you can focus on that

> to get lasting benefits.

> I also believe that the damage and inflammation isn't just isolated to

> the gb and liver that all organs and tissues can be affected by

> infection and heavy metals. So getting to the root cause is very

> important in my opinion.

>

> Hope your procedure goes well though,

> Brad

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Am I reading the protocol right? I thought I read from the H

> > >

> > > > > protocol not to drink anything including water from 2pm when we

> > > stop

> > > > > eating to 6 pm (1st dose of epsom salts).

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't want to dehydrate myself as that seems to happen quickly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any imput?

> > > > >

> > > > > Flushing tonight

> > > > > Brad

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

January 26, 2009

Be really careful about this. While one can have " phantom " or " transferred "

pains on the left from gallstones it is usually associated with right quadrant

pain as well. Dale might be willing to tell the story of someone he knows who

was diagnosed with gallbladder dysfunction and exactly the same symptoms... Was

not quite what the Dr. thought...