Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Ayush herbs, Banyan Tree, Maharishi Ayurved are all very reputable manufacturers. We need to be very careful about sources of both Ayurvedic and Chinese herbs do to the pollution issues in these cultures. I do not know if anyone read the assay report that was done about a year ago on Indian herbal products and heavy metal " contamination " . While this is a concern, the whole thing was quite inaccurate due to the fact that they were not only testing individual herbs but a bunch of combinations. Ayurveda uses basmas. These are mineral compounds that are specially processed and work phenomenally well but often contain heavy metals. When processed they due not have the toxicity issues of raw mineral compounds but will still show up on the assay. Amla is rarely consumed fresh. Deepak Chopra has signed his name to a new MLM that is completely based on the amla fruit. It is consumed in India in powdered form, In rasayanas such as triphala and kaishore guggul, in a jam, and candied (amongst other means). Chywanprash... Excellent tonic " jam " . Contains many different herbs depending on the formulator and contains large percentage of amla, ashwaganda etc. This " jam " is made with both honey and ghee (as anapurnas, or carrier compounds). I keep a jar in the car so when my blood sugar drops and I am either going to buy a burger or commit murder, I can take a teaspoon, raise the blood sugar, and cut the hunger until I get home and can fix something not so deadly... In India everyone in a family would take a spoon of this everyday from the point they can swallow till the day they die... While I have never mentioned this in the 6 years I have been involved with this group, in my practice I manufacture and carry over 300 individual medicinal herbs encapsulated as well as 600 different supplements. Due to an ongoing financial mess, I have stocking issues at the moment. Eventually I should be able to supply others with quality herbs and supplements, but at this time you are better off with others... Always, in all ways, -Dave Re: amla > > Both are beneficial. The phyllanthus nururi is the traditionally used herb for liver complaints. I know that Rasheed is planning on pulling the plug, there are no wrong decisions, but 6 weeks is not enough. None of this stuff works like magic. The development of stones and the problems that result in stones takes a long time and so does the reversal. Some people flush their stones on the very first try, some on their sixth... But the biggest thing is this takes a change in diet and lifestyle for most just as it took a diet and lifestyle to create. Triphala is the kind of stuff you take everyday for the rest of your life. Amla is the " new " " superfruit " on the functional foods and supplement market though it has only been around for thousands of years. It by the way is 4 times higher in V-C than acerola cherries! and the molecular form is such that it is not broken down by cooking. Amla is also called Indian Gooseberry. The ORAC value is out the roof. > More ramblings on amla and the like later. Hi Dave, I always read your posts with great interest. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge here with us. A couple of questions for you if I may, please. Is there a particular brand of of Triphala that you have used or would recommend to others? Is it a good idea to try and find a brand that contains organic ingredients? How about amla? What's the best way to take it if we can't locate the fresh berries themselves? Any comments on this product? http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1031 & variation= & aitem=1 & mite\ m=31<http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1031 & variation= & aitem=1\ & mitem=31> Are you familiar with Chyavanprash, another ayurvedic herbal remedy that contains amla? By chance have you ever tried the one from this link? Or is there another you could recommend? http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=5151 & variation= & aitem=1 & mite\ m=1<http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=5151 & variation= & aitem=1 & \ mitem=1> Thanks again, elan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 what kind of exercise is this gentlman doing before he rips out his GB? Diet, flushng? JJust curious, The flushing does not work over night. If I had a surgeon tell me when he was going to do my surgery, I would ask him to slow down...threatening pancretitus, hahahaha. From: elan_spire <elan_spire@...> Subject: Re: amla gallstones Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 1:50 PM > > Both are beneficial. The phyllanthus nururi is the traditionally used herb for liver complaints. I know that Rasheed is planning on pulling the plug, there are no wrong decisions, but 6 weeks is not enough. None of this stuff works like magic. The development of stones and the problems that result in stones takes a long time and so does the reversal. Some people flush their stones on the very first try, some on their sixth... But the biggest thing is this takes a change in diet and lifestyle for most just as it took a diet and lifestyle to create. Triphala is the kind of stuff you take everyday for the rest of your life. Amla is the " new " " superfruit " on the functional foods and supplement market though it has only been around for thousands of years. It by the way is 4 times higher in V-C than acerola cherries! and the molecular form is such that it is not broken down by cooking. Amla is also called Indian Gooseberry. The ORAC value is out the roof. > More ramblings on amla and the like later. Hi Dave, I always read your posts with great interest. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge here with us. A couple of questions for you if I may, please. Is there a particular brand of of Triphala that you have used or would recommend to others? Is it a good idea to try and find a brand that contains organic ingredients? How about amla? What's the best way to take it if we can't locate the fresh berries themselves? Any comments on this product? http://www.banyanbo tanicals. com/prodinfo. asp?number= 1031 & variation= & aitem=1 & mitem=31 Are you familiar with Chyavanprash, another ayurvedic herbal remedy that contains amla? By chance have you ever tried the one from this link? Or is there another you could recommend? http://www.banyanbo tanicals. com/prodinfo. asp?number= 5151 & variation= & aitem=1 & mitem=1 Thanks again, elan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hi Elan, Gerson is of the finest character. His institute as well. While I have not personally used nor tested their products I would expect them to be of the highest quality. You will notice in the description of their chywanprash that they hold to the " scriptural " aspects of preparation. This will include prayers for the user as the products are prepared. No matter one's religious leanings prayers of health and happiness are probably beneficial... The " specialness " of chywanprash comes from it's Vedic roots (the Vedas were " gifted " to the Yogis who wrote them down thousands of years ago. These " scriptures " are the basis for Ayurveda, literally translated to " The science of life " ). It is a combination of so many diverse things that it will do nothing specific at the same time supporting everything. It is meant to treat nothing but again, support everything. Hope this makes sense. I have a full time natural health practice as well as teaching professional courses in a variety of subjects in alternative and natural medicine, here in Washington as well as Oregon and New Mexico at the moment. No website at this time. I do not practice for a career or to " make a living " . I wish I did not have a job. I practice to support my clientele in achieving their goals, whatever they may be... So, to tie this in to the recent decision by some to have their organs removed, there are never any " wrong " decisions, only those that get you closer to your aim or not... Barring acute infection, accidental poisoning, possible hereditary issues (not to be used as a " reason " ), etc., Gallbladder issues stem from diet and lifestyle issues for the most part and the saving of the organ requires alterations in such. Barring this, removal of the organ offers relief of very specific symptoms but does nothing for the underlying problem. One then continues life as usual, headed evermore down the path to ill health in so many other ways. Which organ next? Uterus, ovaries, breast, colon, appendix, tonsils, prostate...? So gallstones may be a very low key wake up call from a very friendly Universe... This group offers " alternative " options from the cut happy lunacy of the " standard " approach. I always wince when I read the posts from someone who has decided to flush, spends 2 days of discomfort and then does not have immediate 100% reversal of their condition.... The percentage of the people who will experience this is 0%; whether they plop out all their stones or not. But for those who are dedicated, willing, and able to save their organ, make the changes, and pursue their truth, the percentage of people who will experience positive changes in their health, how they feel, how they feel about themselves, the impact they have on others by example, etc., whether they plop any stones out or not, is 100%. All the best, -Dave Re: amla Hi Dave, Thanks for this reply. > > Ayush herbs, Banyan Tree, Maharishi Ayurved are all very reputable manufacturers. We need to be very careful about sources of both Ayurvedic and Chinese herbs do to the pollution issues in these cultures. How about this company? Would you consider them to be reputable? The National Institute of Ayurvedic Medicine: http://niam.com/corp-web/index.htm<http://niam.com/corp-web/index.htm> > Chywanprash... Excellent tonic " jam " . Contains many different herbs depending on the formulator and contains large percentage of amla, ashwaganda etc. This " jam " is made with both honey and ghee (as anapurnas, or carrier compounds). I keep a jar in the car so when my blood sugar drops and I am either going to buy a burger or commit murder, I can take a teaspoon, raise the blood sugar, and cut the hunger until I get home and can fix something not so deadly... In India everyone in a family would take a spoon of this everyday from the point they can swallow till the day they die... Sounds like amazing stuff. Would you share which brand you use? Here's an article about Chyvanprash: http://niam.com/corp-web/cprash.htm<http://niam.com/corp-web/cprash.htm> And another listing its ingredients: http://niam.com/corp-web/chywaninfo.html<http://niam.com/corp-web/chywaninfo.htm\ l> This is the product sold by The National Institute of Ayurvedic Medicine: http://www.secure-shopping-cart.com/niam/cart/cart25.html<http://www.secure-shop\ ping-cart.com/niam/cart/cart25.html> Evidently the quality of Chyavanprash can vary greatly. Is there any way to know we're getting the real deal and that it's not contaminated with heavy metals? > > While I have never mentioned this in the 6 years I have been involved with this group, in my practice I manufacture and carry over 300 individual medicinal herbs encapsulated as well as 600 different supplements. Due to an ongoing financial mess, I have stocking issues at the moment. Eventually I should be able to supply others with quality herbs and supplements, but at this time you are better off with others... > > Always, in all ways, > > -Dave What kind of practice do you have? Do you have a website? elan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 nice reading From: elan_spire <elan_spire@...> Subject: Re: amla gallstones Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:53 AM Hi Dave, > > Hi Elan, > > Gerson is of the finest character. His institute as well. While I have not personally used nor tested their products I would expect them to be of the highest quality. Ahh, ok great, that's good to know. There are so many mediocre and even inferior companies looking to jump onto the complimentary health products/supplement s bandwagon these days, it feels really important to find a reliable way to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. Since you're clearly a professional who's very discerning about the quality of nutraceuticals, I really appreciate you sharing your insight about Dr. Gerson's character and that of his institute. >>>You will notice in the description of their chywanprash that they hold to the " scriptural " aspects of preparation. This will include prayers for the user as the products are prepared. No matter one's religious leanings prayers of health and happiness are probably >>>beneficial. .. This reflects an energy of awareness, of conscience as well as consciousness, and so makes very good sense. I think that too often many of us lose sight of the importance of things like awareness and energetics with regard to our health. For instance the industrialization of our food has resulted in the mindless torture and heinous abuse of countless innocent creatures that are factory farmed by the thousands. And when we mindlessly consume the flesh, milk, eggs and other products derived from these animals with a lack of awareness en masse, our cruelty towards them and the resulting suffering and ill health they endure is passed onto us energetically. No doubt our collective ignorance unconsciousness about this only compounds the deleterious effects of our actions upon our collective health. Similarly our unconscious contamination of the planet's air, water and soil has left both the body of the earth, as well as many of our own human bodies, contaminated, out of balance and sickened. It's not just the physical pollution and the detrimental biological effects it can have on our health, but it's also the lack of consciousness about the repercussions of our actions that can have an energetic impact upon our internal equilibrium, and so our health, on an even subtler level. So if there are people who are deliberately bringing greater awareness into the collective consciousness by way of prayers said over the preparation of healing herbs with awareness, and with the intention of benefiting of those who consume them, this makes a lot of sense energetically in terms of the potential healing abilities of these remedies. >>>The " specialness " of chywanprash comes from it's Vedic roots (the Vedas were " gifted " to the Yogis who wrote them down thousands of years ago. These " scriptures " are the basis for Ayurveda, literally translated to " The science of life " ). It is a combination of so many diverse things that it will do nothing specific at the same time supporting everything. It is meant to treat nothing but again, >>>support everything. Hope this makes sense. Yes, it does. My sense is that all of the most gifted ancient and present day natural healers have always tapped into the same wisdom as the Vedic Yogis. Unlike the germ theory-based slash, burn and poison (surgery, radiation, chemo/drugs/ vaccines) " medicine " practiced by today's medical industrial complex-trained allopathic " disease managers " (aka MD's), who compartmentalize illness rather than considering the person as a whole, true healers have always known that all chronic sickness arises from a lack of homeostasis within the body. They also know that equilibrium only comes about when the subtle energetics in and around the body are flowing freely and are unobstructed by blockages. They know the value of being well nourished, well oxygenated, well hydrated, well rested, and free of undue contamination and stress. And their treatments are always geared towards restoring a general chemical/biological /physiological and energetic BALANCE in the WHOLE person, rather than focusing on attempting to suppress symptoms or cut out an isolated body part in order to affect healing. Clearly our bodies have a natural, innate healing ability that's essentially hard wired into our DNA. But this inborn healing wisdom cannot and will not function properly when things become too imbalanced within us. So the best most natural and effective medicine is always that which supports a restoration of internal balance. Holistic approaches like ayurveda that are meant to treat nothing specific, and yet are designed to support the smooth flowing functioning of everything with regards to the *whole* person makes perfect sense. > > I have a full time natural health practice as well as teaching professional courses in a variety of subjects in alternative and natural medicine, here in Washington as well as Oregon and New Mexico at the moment. No website at this time. I do not practice for a career or to " make a living " . I wish I did not have a job. I practice to support my clientele in achieving their goals, whatever they may be... >> Wonderful... > > So, to tie this in to the recent decision by some to have their organs removed, there are never any " wrong " decisions, only those that get you closer to your aim or not... Barring acute infection, accidental poisoning, possible hereditary issues (not to be used as a " reason " ), etc., Gallbladder issues stem from diet and lifestyle issues for the most part and the saving of the organ requires alterations in such. Barring this, removal of the organ offers relief of very specific symptoms but does nothing for the underlying problem. One then continues life as usual, headed evermore down the path to ill health in so many other ways. Which organ next? Uterus, ovaries, breast, colon, appendix, tonsils, prostate...? >>>> Well said. > > So gallstones may be a very low key wake up call from a very friendly Universe... This group offers " alternative " options from the cut happy lunacy of the " standard " approach. I always wince when I read the posts from someone who has decided to flush, spends 2 days of discomfort and then does not have immediate 100% reversal of their condition... . The percentage of the people who will experience this is 0%; whether they plop out all their stones or not. But for those who are dedicated, willing, and able to save their organ, make the changes, and pursue their truth, the percentage of people who will experience positive changes in their health, how they feel, how they feel about themselves, the impact they have on others by example, etc., whether they plop any stones out or not, is 100%. All the best, -Dave >>> Yes! We are so programmed in this culture to think that things can and should happen instantaneously. We're so accustomed to just pushing a button, flipping a switch or taking a pill, and more often than not it seems our expectation is to get immediate results every time. Whether it's fast food, fast cars, cell phones, high speed internet connections or even the restoration of our good health, it's as if we've come to expect that anything and everything should just happen right NOW - regardless. And yet for most of people, chronic disease takes literally years to develop. The body does everything it can over the long term in an attempt to maintain its internal balance and stave off symptomatic pain. So in fact, things can actually be getting further and further out of whack for a long time before we ever become consciously aware of it. When we consider how many years of a steady breaking down of our internal equilibrium it can really take before we actually begin to feel sick, it can be pretty unrealistic for us to expect a reversal of ill health after doing just one or two liver flushes, or spending a few weeks or even a few months taking some sort of holistic treatment. Thanks again, Dave, for sharing your insights. - e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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