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Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my experience wit

you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went through a

lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20 times in 7

months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories on the

net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I spent

thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is suggested

online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no pain, no

diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth. Doctors

are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi organ. I bet

no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other treatments are

temporary.

Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970@...>wrote:

>

>

> I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of you

> have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience? I

> have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible

> pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because it

> was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under my

> right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my

> gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they discovered my

> gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms

> there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has likley been a

> ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I had an

> ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise and it also

> showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was going to

> send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the thickening

> indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA afterall.

> She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next

> week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I fooling

> myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses

> really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could give

> me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a vegetarian

> diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> Help!

> Thank you in advance for your time.

> Chantal

>

>

>

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Very well said and there is no reason to jeopardize your well being

if u give it your best effort. My father had his GB removed 32 years

ago when he was 56 and to this day he has never had any problems

whatsoever albeit that he has always eaten well - very little red

meat, with a diet of vegetables , fresh fruit and whole grains. There

are times when it just has to go

Good luck

FB

On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Munawar Malik wrote:

> dy to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories on the

> net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I

> spent

> thousands on naturopath

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Chantal,

Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time. Probably most

of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in his

decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he attempted much and

reached a point where he decided that removal was the best route, which he does

not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable. However there are also

scores of people that have never gotten to that point because they reached a

point of comfort well before removal through less invasive means. It is not

possible to determine in your case what the future holds, just a question that

hangs in the present; Should you try other natural approaches first? One thing

that is not up for debate is the other positive changes that these attempts

create. I would hope that Munawar would second this after his experience. It

is not only not uncommon for vegetarians to develop gallstones but is quite

common. this is no reflection on the vegetarian diet just an observation. Let

me save either you or your insurance company the cost of the consultation: The

surgeon will recommend srgery... Of course the attorney may recommend legal

action and the landscaper may recommend you have your grass cut... Many of the

questions you have about specifics can be found in the archives of this group

and in terms of support, you cannot find a better bunch of more caring people.

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Re: Should I have surgery?

Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my experience wit

you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went through a

lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20 times in 7

months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories on the

net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I spent

thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is suggested

online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no pain, no

diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth. Doctors

are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi organ. I bet

no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other treatments are

temporary.

Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970

<cgilmore1970@...<mailto:cgilmore1970%40>>wrote:

>

>

> I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of you

> have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience? I

> have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible

> pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because it

> was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under my

> right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my

> gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they discovered my

> gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms

> there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has likley been a

> ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I had an

> ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise and it also

> showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was going to

> send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the thickening

> indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA afterall.

> She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next

> week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I fooling

> myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses

> really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could give

> me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a vegetarian

> diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> Help!

> Thank you in advance for your time.

> Chantal

>

>

>

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I agree with Dave that every case is different and thats why i said that

removing GB is entirely your own decision and you can ask question, listen

to the experiences of people on this forum and most of all you know better

what you are going through. So, yes, do try herbaland homeopathic remedies

because they do have an impact on your body in one way or another. I used

mastic gum, marshmallow root and DGL for my ulcers and i did an endoscopy on

April 8th, 09 and my ulcers are all healed. So yes, there is no

disagreement that herbs do work and bring positive changes. In regardds to

gallstones things sometime work and sometime dont. I consulted one of the

best homeopths in India and when he looked at my ultrsound reports, size of

stones etc. he told me that my stones are very large and probably homepath

will not do much so i should go for surgery. I then moved to naturopath and

they gave me stuff to dissolve the stones instead of flushing them out

because they said the same story that my stones are very big (2.2cm largest)

and they do not suggest flushing as it may get stuck in bile duct. Anyways,

i went through a lot pain during these months and finally when i noticed

that there is no change and i end up in ER every other day then obviously

surgery was the only option i was left with. So far i have no regrets

because i have no side effects so far. I do not know what is future holding

however, i am going to change my life style and see what happens. Dave if

you have any post surgery suggestions, i shall be grateful.

I wish you guys all the best and i shall keep you posted if something nbew

comes up.

Munawar

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...>wrote:

>

>

> Chantal,

>

> Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time. Probably most

> of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in his

> decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he attempted much

> and reached a point where he decided that removal was the best route, which

> he does not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable. However there

> are also scores of people that have never gotten to that point because they

> reached a point of comfort well before removal through less invasive means.

> It is not possible to determine in your case what the future holds, just a

> question that hangs in the present; Should you try other natural approaches

> first? One thing that is not up for debate is the other positive changes

> that these attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second this

> after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for vegetarians to develop

> gallstones but is quite common. this is no reflection on the vegetarian diet

> just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance company the

> cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of course the

> attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may recommend you

> have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about specifics can be

> found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you cannot find

> a better bunch of more caring people.

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

> Re: Should I have surgery?

>

> Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my experience wit

> you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went through a

> lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20 times in 7

> months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories on the

> net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I spent

> thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is suggested

> online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no pain, no

> diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth. Doctors

> are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi organ. I bet

> no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other treatments

> are

> temporary.

>

> Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

>

> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970

<cgilmore1970@...<cgilmore1970%40>

> <mailto:cgilmore1970%40 <cgilmore1970%2540>>>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of

> you

> > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience?

> I

> > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible

> > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because

> it

> > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under

> my

> > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my

> > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they discovered

> my

> > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms

> > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has likley

> been a

> > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I had an

> > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise and it also

> > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was going to

> > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> thickening

> > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA afterall.

> > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next

> > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I

> fooling

> > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses

> > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could

> give

> > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> vegetarian

> > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > Help!

> > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > Chantal

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Hi All, Hi Chantal,

I had a gall bladder attack and was rushed to hospital about six months ago. I

also was told I had a thickening of the gall bladder wall and stones. There are

two types of stones (from what I understand) one is composed of bile salts.

This is the type I have. I discovered that after doing a flush.

I am in the process of beginning another flush. One needs to do many flushes in

conjunction with a diet and lifestyle change and taking appropriate supplements

before making a decision. That is my approach. so far, I have not had another

attack and am slowly trying to recover before making any decisions.

These decisions are personal and we do the best we can. I also know people who

have removed their gallbladder and are happy with their decision. Ultimately it

is your decision and trying other means other than surgery is worthwhile in my

opinion. There is a lot of information available in the archives and as Dave

said, we are a supportive and caring group.

All the best,

Rose

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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51:49 AM

Subject: Re: Should I have surgery?

Chantal,

Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time. Probably most of

the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in his decision.

Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he attempted much and reached a

point where he decided that removal was the best route, which he does not

regret, and is obviously much more comfortable. However there are also scores

of people that have never gotten to that point because they reached a point of

comfort well before removal through less invasive means. It is not possible to

determine in your case what the future holds, just a question that hangs in the

present; Should you try other natural approaches first? One thing that is not

up for debate is the other positive changes that these attempts create. I would

hope that Munawar would second this after his experience. It is not only not

uncommon for vegetarians to develop gallstones but is quite common. this is no

reflection on the

vegetarian diet just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance

company the cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of

course the attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may recommend

you have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about specifics can

be found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you cannot find

a better bunch of more caring people.

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Re: Should I have surgery?

Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my experience wit

you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went through a

lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20 times in 7

months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories on the

net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I spent

thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is suggested

online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no pain, no

diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth. Doctors

are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi organ. I bet

no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other treatments are

temporary.

Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970@

<mailto:cgilmore197 0%40. com>>wrote:

>

>

> I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of you

> have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience? I

> have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible

> pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because it

> was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under my

> right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my

> gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they discovered my

> gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms

> there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has likley been a

> ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I had an

> ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise and it also

> showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was going to

> send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the thickening

> indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA afterall.

> She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next

> week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I fooling

> myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses

> really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could give

> me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a vegetarian

> diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> Help!

> Thank you in advance for your time.

> Chantal

>

>

>

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Rose:

This coming May would be my third year with no gallstone attack after I ran away

from a scheduled gall bladder removal from my systems. This was after I was

attacked by gallstone pains and was hospitalized for 14 days (from 2 successive

hospitalizations).

All I did after that decision, or escape from the operation, was total stop on

eating beef meat or any food that has mixture of it. I even stopped eating pork

meat, too. From my drinks, I stopped drinking any liquid that has caffeine

content - soda, coffee, tea.

I drink a 2-4 glasses of pure apple juice drink (Motts brand), plus 4-6 glasses

of pure water in a day.

We have different triggers that caused gallstone attacks, depending on what you

eat. In my case these were the food that triggered gallstone attacks that

brought me to the hospital:

1. After I ate beef meat loaf, and spinach. (I'm sure, it's the beef here.)

2. After I ate a pizza, and drunk a Yohoo chocolate. (I'm sure, it's the milk,

and the caffein content of Yohoo here.)

3. After I over ate rice at night, with less water intake. (I'm sure, it was the

constipation, which also affected my gall bladder. I've read from books

overeating, and never eating triggers gall stone attack.)

4. After I was laid off from job, and so problematic on how to find a job again.

(I'm sure it's my jobless problem caused this attack. I've read from the books

that stress and depression causes gallstone attack.)

I still have a gall stone in my gall bladder. But evading from the above

triggers, I'm enjoying life with internal parts still complete, including my

gall bladder.

So, to summarize, evade from caffeins, oily food, milk, overeating, not eating

on time, and emotional problems. Drink a lot of apple juice and pure water only

in a day. Have a happy life.

Jess Guim

New York City Sightseeing

http://www.bigapplecity.com

> From: Rose Conforti <roseconforti@...>

> Subject: Re: Should I have surgery?

> gallstones

> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 5:04 PM

> Hi All, Hi Chantal,

>

> I had a gall bladder attack and was rushed to hospital

> about six months ago. I also was told I had a thickening of

> the gall bladder wall and stones. There are two types of

> stones (from what I understand) one is composed of bile

> salts. This is the type I have. I discovered that after

> doing a flush.

>

> I am in the process of beginning another flush. One needs

> to do many flushes in conjunction with a diet and lifestyle

> change and taking appropriate supplements before making a

> decision. That is my approach. so far, I have not had

> another attack and am slowly trying to recover before making

> any decisions.

>

> These decisions are personal and we do the best we can. I

> also know people who have removed their gallbladder and are

> happy with their decision. Ultimately it is your decision

> and trying other means other than surgery is worthwhile in

> my opinion. There is a lot of information available in the

> archives and as Dave said, we are a supportive and caring

> group.

>

> All the best,

>

> Rose

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

> gallstones

> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51:49 AM

> Subject: Re: Should I have surgery?

>

>

>

>

>

> Chantal,

>

> Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time.

> Probably most of the time. We all know Munawar and I

> believe most support him in his decision. Bless him. Every

> case is different and in his, he attempted much and reached

> a point where he decided that removal was the best route,

> which he does not regret, and is obviously much more

> comfortable. However there are also scores of people that

> have never gotten to that point because they reached a point

> of comfort well before removal through less invasive means.

> It is not possible to determine in your case what the future

> holds, just a question that hangs in the present; Should

> you try other natural approaches first? One thing that is

> not up for debate is the other positive changes that these

> attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second

> this after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for

> vegetarians to develop gallstones but is quite common. this

> is no reflection on the

> vegetarian diet just an observation. Let me save either

> you or your insurance company the cost of the consultation:

> The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of course the attorney

> may recommend legal action and the landscaper may recommend

> you have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have

> about specifics can be found in the archives of this group

> and in terms of support, you cannot find a better bunch of

> more caring people.

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

> Re: Should I have surgery?

>

> Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre

> my experience wit

> you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i

> went through a

> lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than

> 20 times in 7

> months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many

> stories on the

> net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing

> worked. I spent

> thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing

> that is suggested

> online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and

> it made no

> difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i

> have no pain, no

> diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very

> smooth. Doctors

> are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout

> thi organ. I bet

> no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all

> other treatments are

> temporary.

>

> Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

>

> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970

> <cgilmore1970<mailto:cgilmore197 0%40.

> com>>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself.

> I realize most of you

> > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats

> personal experience? I

> > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have

> woken up in terrible

> > pain. The first two times I couldn't really

> specify where it was because it

> > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was

> more focused under my

> > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told

> me it was likely my

> > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done

> and they discovered my

> > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I

> wasn't having any symptoms

> > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel

> like it has likley been a

> > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no

> nausea. I had an

> > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no

> surprise and it also

> > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my

> doctor was going to

> > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she

> said the thickening

> > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to

> do the HIDA afterall.

> > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting

> with a surgeon next

> > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed

> so soon. Am I fooling

> > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this

> point? Do the cleanses

> > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice

> or info you could give

> > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40.

> Ironically I eat a vegetarian

> > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs

> overweight.

> > Help!

> > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > Chantal

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Try milk thistle! The nature's best herbs brand has turmeric too but you can

even get milk thistle at kroger. Use turmeric and cumin on your food-

particularly turmeric. I was having attacks then used the milk thistle- have

never had one since!

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Re: Should I have surgery?

I agree with Dave that every case is different and thats why i said that

removing GB is entirely your own decision and you can ask question, listen

to the experiences of people on this forum and most of all you know better

what you are going through. So, yes, do try herbaland homeopathic remedies

because they do have an impact on your body in one way or another. I used

mastic gum, marshmallow root and DGL for my ulcers and i did an endoscopy on

April 8th, 09 and my ulcers are all healed. So yes, there is no

disagreement that herbs do work and bring positive changes. In regardds to

gallstones things sometime work and sometime dont. I consulted one of the

best homeopths in India and when he looked at my ultrsound reports, size of

stones etc. he told me that my stones are very large and probably homepath

will not do much so i should go for surgery. I then moved to naturopath and

they gave me stuff to dissolve the stones instead of flushing them out

because they said the same story that my stones are very big (2.2cm largest)

and they do not suggest flushing as it may get stuck in bile duct. Anyways,

i went through a lot pain during these months and finally when i noticed

that there is no change and i end up in ER every other day then obviously

surgery was the only option i was left with. So far i have no regrets

because i have no side effects so far. I do not know what is future holding

however, i am going to change my life style and see what happens. Dave if

you have any post surgery suggestions, i shall be grateful.

I wish you guys all the best and i shall keep you posted if something nbew

comes up.

Munawar

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...>wrote:

>

>

> Chantal,

>

> Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time. Probably most

> of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in his

> decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he attempted much

> and reached a point where he decided that removal was the best route, which

> he does not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable. However there

> are also scores of people that have never gotten to that point because they

> reached a point of comfort well before removal through less invasive means.

> It is not possible to determine in your case what the future holds, just a

> question that hangs in the present; Should you try other natural approaches

> first? One thing that is not up for debate is the other positive changes

> that these attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second this

> after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for vegetarians to develop

> gallstones but is quite common. this is no reflection on the vegetarian diet

> just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance company the

> cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of course the

> attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may recommend you

> have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about specifics can be

> found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you cannot find

> a better bunch of more caring people.

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

> Re: Should I have surgery?

>

> Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my experience wit

> you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went through a

> lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20 times in 7

> months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories on the

> net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I spent

> thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is suggested

> online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no pain, no

> diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth. Doctors

> are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi organ. I bet

> no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other treatments

> are

> temporary.

>

> Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

>

> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970

<cgilmore1970@...<cgilmore1970%40>

> <mailto:cgilmore1970%40 <cgilmore1970%2540>>>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of

> you

> > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience?

> I

> > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible

> > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because

> it

> > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under

> my

> > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my

> > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they discovered

> my

> > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms

> > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has likley

> been a

> > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I had an

> > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise and it also

> > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was going to

> > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> thickening

> > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA afterall.

> > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next

> > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I

> fooling

> > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses

> > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could

> give

> > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> vegetarian

> > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > Help!

> > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > Chantal

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Rose,

It has now been 11 years since I went against my doctor's advice and

started treating my GB problems with a change of diet , exercise and

herbs such as milk thistle and AF Beta Food to name just 2. It can be

done and from what I have seen most GB issues can be controlled - it

is definately on a case per case basis but if you use your common

sense and are diligent you will find the way that works bes for you

Good luck

On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Jess Guim wrote:

>

>

>

> Rose:

>

> This coming May would be my third year with no gallstone attack

> after I ran away from a scheduled gall bladder removal from my

> systems. This was after I was attacked by gallstone pains and was

> hospitalized for 14 days (from 2 successive hospitalizations).

>

> All I did after that decision, or escape from the operation, was

> total stop on eating beef meat or any food that has mixture of it. I

> even stopped eating pork meat, too. From my drinks, I stopped

> drinking any liquid that has caffeine content - soda, coffee, tea.

>

> I drink a 2-4 glasses of pure apple juice drink (Motts brand), plus

> 4-6 glasses of pure water in a day.

>

> We have different triggers that caused gallstone attacks, depending

> on what you eat. In my case these were the food that triggered

> gallstone attacks that brought me to the hospital:

>

> 1. After I ate beef meat loaf, and spinach. (I'm sure, it's the beef

> here.)

> 2. After I ate a pizza, and drunk a Yohoo chocolate. (I'm sure, it's

> the milk, and the caffein content of Yohoo here.)

> 3. After I over ate rice at night, with less water intake. (I'm

> sure, it was the constipation, which also affected my gall bladder.

> I've read from books overeating, and never eating triggers gall

> stone attack.)

> 4. After I was laid off from job, and so problematic on how to find

> a job again. (I'm sure it's my jobless problem caused this attack.

> I've read from the books that stress and depression causes gallstone

> attack.)

>

> I still have a gall stone in my gall bladder. But evading from the

> above triggers, I'm enjoying life with internal parts still

> complete, including my gall bladder.

>

> So, to summarize, evade from caffeins, oily food, milk, overeating,

> not eating on time, and emotional problems. Drink a lot of apple

> juice and pure water only in a day. Have a happy life.

>

> Jess Guim

> New York City Sightseeing

> http://www.bigapplecity.com

>

>

>

> > From: Rose Conforti <roseconforti@...>

> > Subject: Re: Should I have surgery?

> > gallstones

> > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 5:04 PM

> > Hi All, Hi Chantal,

> >

> > I had a gall bladder attack and was rushed to hospital

> > about six months ago. I also was told I had a thickening of

> > the gall bladder wall and stones. There are two types of

> > stones (from what I understand) one is composed of bile

> > salts. This is the type I have. I discovered that after

> > doing a flush.

> >

> > I am in the process of beginning another flush. One needs

> > to do many flushes in conjunction with a diet and lifestyle

> > change and taking appropriate supplements before making a

> > decision. That is my approach. so far, I have not had

> > another attack and am slowly trying to recover before making

> > any decisions.

> >

> > These decisions are personal and we do the best we can. I

> > also know people who have removed their gallbladder and are

> > happy with their decision. Ultimately it is your decision

> > and trying other means other than surgery is worthwhile in

> > my opinion. There is a lot of information available in the

> > archives and as Dave said, we are a supportive and caring

> > group.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Rose

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

> > gallstones

> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51:49 AM

> > Subject: Re: Should I have surgery?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Chantal,

> >

> > Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time.

> > Probably most of the time. We all know Munawar and I

> > believe most support him in his decision. Bless him. Every

> > case is different and in his, he attempted much and reached

> > a point where he decided that removal was the best route,

> > which he does not regret, and is obviously much more

> > comfortable. However there are also scores of people that

> > have never gotten to that point because they reached a point

> > of comfort well before removal through less invasive means.

> > It is not possible to determine in your case what the future

> > holds, just a question that hangs in the present; Should

> > you try other natural approaches first? One thing that is

> > not up for debate is the other positive changes that these

> > attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second

> > this after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for

> > vegetarians to develop gallstones but is quite common. this

> > is no reflection on the

> > vegetarian diet just an observation. Let me save either

> > you or your insurance company the cost of the consultation:

> > The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of course the attorney

> > may recommend legal action and the landscaper may recommend

> > you have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have

> > about specifics can be found in the archives of this group

> > and in terms of support, you cannot find a better bunch of

> > more caring people.

> >

> > Always, in all ways,

> >

> > -Dave

> > Re: Should I have surgery?

> >

> > Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre

> > my experience wit

> > you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i

> > went through a

> > lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than

> > 20 times in 7

> > months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many

> > stories on the

> > net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing

> > worked. I spent

> > thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing

> > that is suggested

> > online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and

> > it made no

> > difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i

> > have no pain, no

> > diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very

> > smooth. Doctors

> > are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout

> > thi organ. I bet

> > no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all

> > other treatments are

> > temporary.

> >

> > Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970

> > <cgilmore1970<mailto:cgilmore197 0%40.

> > com>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself.

> > I realize most of you

> > > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats

> > personal experience? I

> > > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have

> > woken up in terrible

> > > pain. The first two times I couldn't really

> > specify where it was because it

> > > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was

> > more focused under my

> > > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told

> > me it was likely my

> > > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done

> > and they discovered my

> > > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I

> > wasn't having any symptoms

> > > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel

> > like it has likley been a

> > > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no

> > nausea. I had an

> > > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no

> > surprise and it also

> > > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my

> > doctor was going to

> > > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she

> > said the thickening

> > > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to

> > do the HIDA afterall.

> > > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting

> > with a surgeon next

> > > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed

> > so soon. Am I fooling

> > > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this

> > point? Do the cleanses

> > > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice

> > or info you could give

> > > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40.

> > Ironically I eat a vegetarian

> > > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs

> > overweight.

> > > Help!

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > Chantal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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By the way want to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Dave Shelden for

his generous and continued valuable insights and for continuing to be

such an inspiration to us all.

God Bless and good luck

FB

On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Munawar Malik wrote:

>

>

> I agree with Dave that every case is different and thats why i said

> that

> removing GB is entirely your own decision and you can ask question,

> listen

> to the experiences of people on this forum and most of all you know

> better

> what you are going through. So, yes, do try herbaland homeopathic

> remedies

> because they do have an impact on your body in one way or another. I

> used

> mastic gum, marshmallow root and DGL for my ulcers and i did an

> endoscopy on

> April 8th, 09 and my ulcers are all healed. So yes, there is no

> disagreement that herbs do work and bring positive changes. In

> regardds to

> gallstones things sometime work and sometime dont. I consulted one

> of the

> best homeopths in India and when he looked at my ultrsound reports,

> size of

> stones etc. he told me that my stones are very large and probably

> homepath

> will not do much so i should go for surgery. I then moved to

> naturopath and

> they gave me stuff to dissolve the stones instead of flushing them out

> because they said the same story that my stones are very big (2.2cm

> largest)

> and they do not suggest flushing as it may get stuck in bile duct.

> Anyways,

> i went through a lot pain during these months and finally when i

> noticed

> that there is no change and i end up in ER every other day then

> obviously

> surgery was the only option i was left with. So far i have no regrets

> because i have no side effects so far. I do not know what is future

> holding

> however, i am going to change my life style and see what happens.

> Dave if

> you have any post surgery suggestions, i shall be grateful.

>

> I wish you guys all the best and i shall keep you posted if

> something nbew

> comes up.

>

> Munawar

>

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dave Shelden

> <wholehealthawareness@...>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Chantal,

> >

> > Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time.

> Probably most

> > of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in

> his

> > decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he

> attempted much

> > and reached a point where he decided that removal was the best

> route, which

> > he does not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable.

> However there

> > are also scores of people that have never gotten to that point

> because they

> > reached a point of comfort well before removal through less

> invasive means.

> > It is not possible to determine in your case what the future

> holds, just a

> > question that hangs in the present; Should you try other natural

> approaches

> > first? One thing that is not up for debate is the other positive

> changes

> > that these attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second

> this

> > after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for vegetarians

> to develop

> > gallstones but is quite common. this is no reflection on the

> vegetarian diet

> > just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance

> company the

> > cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of

> course the

> > attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may

> recommend you

> > have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about

> specifics can be

> > found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you

> cannot find

> > a better bunch of more caring people.

> >

> > Always, in all ways,

> >

> > -Dave

> > Re: Should I have surgery?

> >

> > Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my

> experience wit

> > you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went

> through a

> > lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20

> times in 7

> > months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories

> on the

> > net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I

> spent

> > thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is

> suggested

> > online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> > difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no

> pain, no

> > diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth.

> Doctors

> > are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi

> organ. I bet

> > no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other

> treatments

> > are

> > temporary.

> >

> > Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970@...

> <cgilmore1970%40>

> > <mailto:cgilmore1970%40

> <cgilmore1970%2540>>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize

> most of

> > you

> > > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal

> experience?

> > I

> > > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in

> terrible

> > > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was

> because

> > it

> > > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more

> focused under

> > my

> > > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was

> likely my

> > > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they

> discovered

> > my

> > > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any

> symptoms

> > > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has

> likley

> > been a

> > > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I

> had an

> > > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise

> and it also

> > > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was

> going to

> > > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> > thickening

> > > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA

> afterall.

> > > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a

> surgeon next

> > > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon.

> Am I

> > fooling

> > > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the

> cleanses

> > > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info

> you could

> > give

> > > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> > vegetarian

> > > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > > Help!

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > Chantal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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Yes, Thank you Dr. Sheldon...very much.

________________________________

From: Battaglia <fbattaglia@...>

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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:29:00 AM

Subject: Re: Should I have surgery?

By the way want to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Dave Shelden for

his generous and continued valuable insights and for continuing to be

such an inspiration to us all.

God Bless and good luck

FB

On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Munawar Malik wrote:

>

>

> I agree with Dave that every case is different and thats why i said

> that

> removing GB is entirely your own decision and you can ask question,

> listen

> to the experiences of people on this forum and most of all you know

> better

> what you are going through. So, yes, do try herbaland homeopathic

> remedies

> because they do have an impact on your body in one way or another. I

> used

> mastic gum, marshmallow root and DGL for my ulcers and i did an

> endoscopy on

> April 8th, 09 and my ulcers are all healed. So yes, there is no

> disagreement that herbs do work and bring positive changes. In

> regardds to

> gallstones things sometime work and sometime dont. I consulted one

> of the

> best homeopths in India and when he looked at my ultrsound reports,

> size of

> stones etc. he told me that my stones are very large and probably

> homepath

> will not do much so i should go for surgery. I then moved to

> naturopath and

> they gave me stuff to dissolve the stones instead of flushing them out

> because they said the same story that my stones are very big (2.2cm

> largest)

> and they do not suggest flushing as it may get stuck in bile duct.

> Anyways,

> i went through a lot pain during these months and finally when i

> noticed

> that there is no change and i end up in ER every other day then

> obviously

> surgery was the only option i was left with. So far i have no regrets

> because i have no side effects so far. I do not know what is future

> holding

> however, i am going to change my life style and see what happens.

> Dave if

> you have any post surgery suggestions, i shall be grateful.

>

> I wish you guys all the best and i shall keep you posted if

> something nbew

> comes up.

>

> Munawar

>

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dave Shelden

> <wholehealthawarenes s@...>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Chantal,

> >

> > Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time.

> Probably most

> > of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in

> his

> > decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he

> attempted much

> > and reached a point where he decided that removal was the best

> route, which

> > he does not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable.

> However there

> > are also scores of people that have never gotten to that point

> because they

> > reached a point of comfort well before removal through less

> invasive means.

> > It is not possible to determine in your case what the future

> holds, just a

> > question that hangs in the present; Should you try other natural

> approaches

> > first? One thing that is not up for debate is the other positive

> changes

> > that these attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second

> this

> > after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for vegetarians

> to develop

> > gallstones but is quite common. this is no reflection on the

> vegetarian diet

> > just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance

> company the

> > cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of

> course the

> > attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may

> recommend you

> > have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about

> specifics can be

> > found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you

> cannot find

> > a better bunch of more caring people.

> >

> > Always, in all ways,

> >

> > -Dave

> > Re: Should I have surgery?

> >

> > Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my

> experience wit

> > you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went

> through a

> > lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20

> times in 7

> > months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories

> on the

> > net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I

> spent

> > thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is

> suggested

> > online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> > difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no

> pain, no

> > diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth.

> Doctors

> > are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi

> organ. I bet

> > no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other

> treatments

> > are

> > temporary.

> >

> > Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970

> <cgilmore1970% 40>

> > <mailto:cgilmore197 0%40. com

> <cgilmore1970% 2540. com>>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize

> most of

> > you

> > > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal

> experience?

> > I

> > > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in

> terrible

> > > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was

> because

> > it

> > > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more

> focused under

> > my

> > > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was

> likely my

> > > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they

> discovered

> > my

> > > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any

> symptoms

> > > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has

> likley

> > been a

> > > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I

> had an

> > > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise

> and it also

> > > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was

> going to

> > > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> > thickening

> > > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA

> afterall.

> > > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a

> surgeon next

> > > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon.

> Am I

> > fooling

> > > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the

> cleanses

> > > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info

> you could

> > give

> > > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> > vegetarian

> > > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > > Help!

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > Chantal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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Thank you (Rose and everyone else). It is interesting that I got involved

in writing on this group because Dale asked me to, considering my background.

Originally it was to keep some things straight and to offer options when needed.

Boy, it has turned into so much more. While necessity is the mother of

invention, it is also the beginning of discovery. I thought I knew about

livers, gallbladders and the like... Nothing like what at least feels like a

life threatening situation to spur a search for answers. I personally have

learned more about gallbladders, livers, and many other health issues and

substances from all of you than I have through academia or my practice. I have

benefited greatly from your quest for answers due to your pain and suffering.

Thank you. For those fairly new to this group, these people are great. You

will find out about much more than just ways of managing your gallbladder if you

choose to participate.

With what we are now to inevitably experience in the near future it is

groups like this and supporting each other that may determine survival, or at

least comfort...

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Re: Should I have surgery?

> >

> > Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my

> experience wit

> > you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went

> through a

> > lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20

> times in 7

> > months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories

> on the

> > net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I

> spent

> > thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is

> suggested

> > online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> > difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no

> pain, no

> > diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth.

> Doctors

> > are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi

> organ. I bet

> > no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other

> treatments

> > are

> > temporary.

> >

> > Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970

<cgilmore1970@...<mailto:cgilmore1970%40>

> <cgilmore1970%40>

> > <mailto:cgilmore1970%40

> <cgilmore1970%2540>>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize

> most of

> > you

> > > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal

> experience?

> > I

> > > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in

> terrible

> > > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was

> because

> > it

> > > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more

> focused under

> > my

> > > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was

> likely my

> > > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they

> discovered

> > my

> > > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any

> symptoms

> > > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has

> likley

> > been a

> > > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I

> had an

> > > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise

> and it also

> > > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was

> going to

> > > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> > thickening

> > > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA

> afterall.

> > > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a

> surgeon next

> > > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon.

> Am I

> > fooling

> > > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the

> cleanses

> > > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info

> you could

> > give

> > > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> > vegetarian

> > > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > > Help!

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > Chantal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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--I appreciate all the replies I have had so far. It is super nice of you guys

to take to respond. I am curious to see what the surgeon says on Tuesday. I am

sure he will recommend surgery. I am curious to see how big the stones I have

are. If they are a reasonable size to allow them to pass with a flush etc. I

figure I have to at least try the other options before resorting to surgery

unless the attacks become more frequent and more painful. At this point they are

not so bad that I am eager to do surgery. I have heard some people say that they

had surgery because they couldn't deal with the though of another painful

attack. My doctor did give me pain meds in case but I haven't had another attack

yet. I have been very careful with what I have been eating though so I am sure

that is helping as well. I read in one of your e-mails that stress could

contribute to an attack. I have been under a lot of stress and I was surprised

to read that. Whatever happens this has been a wake up call to take better care

of myself and to be my own advocate. I realize the surgeon is likley going to

recommend surgery. How do I go about finding a reputable alternative medicine

doctor? Never used one before so want to make sure it is someone who is legit.

Thanks again.

Chantal

- In gallstones , Rose Conforti <roseconforti@...> wrote:

>

> Hi All, Hi Chantal,

>

> I had a gall bladder attack and was rushed to hospital about six months ago.

I also was told I had a thickening of the gall bladder wall and stones. There

are two types of stones (from what I understand) one is composed of bile salts.

This is the type I have. I discovered that after doing a flush.

>

> I am in the process of beginning another flush. One needs to do many flushes

in conjunction with a diet and lifestyle change and taking appropriate

supplements before making a decision. That is my approach. so far, I have not

had another attack and am slowly trying to recover before making any decisions.

>

> These decisions are personal and we do the best we can. I also know people

who have removed their gallbladder and are happy with their decision.

Ultimately it is your decision and trying other means other than surgery is

worthwhile in my opinion. There is a lot of information available in the

archives and as Dave said, we are a supportive and caring group.

>

> All the best,

>

> Rose

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

> gallstones

> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51:49 AM

> Subject: Re: Should I have surgery?

>

>

>

>

>

> Chantal,

>

> Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time. Probably most of

the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in his decision.

Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he attempted much and reached a

point where he decided that removal was the best route, which he does not

regret, and is obviously much more comfortable. However there are also scores

of people that have never gotten to that point because they reached a point of

comfort well before removal through less invasive means. It is not possible to

determine in your case what the future holds, just a question that hangs in the

present; Should you try other natural approaches first? One thing that is not

up for debate is the other positive changes that these attempts create. I would

hope that Munawar would second this after his experience. It is not only not

uncommon for vegetarians to develop gallstones but is quite common. this is no

reflection on the

> vegetarian diet just an observation. Let me save either you or your

insurance company the cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend

srgery... Of course the attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper

may recommend you have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about

specifics can be found in the archives of this group and in terms of support,

you cannot find a better bunch of more caring people.

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

> Re: Should I have surgery?

>

> Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my experience wit

> you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went through a

> lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20 times in 7

> months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories on the

> net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I spent

> thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is suggested

> online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no pain, no

> diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth. Doctors

> are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi organ. I bet

> no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other treatments are

> temporary.

>

> Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

>

> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970@

<mailto:cgilmore197 0%40. com>>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of you

> > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience? I

> > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible

> > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because it

> > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under my

> > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my

> > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they discovered my

> > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms

> > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has likley been a

> > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I had an

> > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise and it also

> > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was going to

> > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the thickening

> > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA afterall.

> > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next

> > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I fooling

> > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses

> > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could give

> > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a vegetarian

> > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > Help!

> > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > Chantal

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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I still do not see where Munawar did a flush...I know he says his stones are

large, we all have large stones and we have done flushes...he did not to my

knowledge...oh well, his GB is gone and now he will learn what it is not to have

a GB...

>

>

> I agree with Dave that every case is different and thats why i said

> that

> removing GB is entirely your own decision and you can ask question,

> listen

> to the experiences of people on this forum and most of all you know

> better

> what you are going through. So, yes, do try herbaland homeopathic

> remedies

> because they do have an impact on your body in one way or another. I

> used

> mastic gum, marshmallow root and DGL for my ulcers and i did an

> endoscopy on

> April 8th, 09 and my ulcers are all healed. So yes, there is no

> disagreement that herbs do work and bring positive changes. In

> regardds to

> gallstones things sometime work and sometime dont. I consulted one

> of the

> best homeopths in India and when he looked at my ultrsound reports,

> size of

> stones etc. he told me that my stones are very large and probably

> homepath

> will not do much so i should go for surgery. I then moved to

> naturopath and

> they gave me stuff to dissolve the stones instead of flushing them out

> because they said the same story that my stones are very big (2.2cm

> largest)

> and they do not suggest flushing as it may get stuck in bile duct.

> Anyways,

> i went through a lot pain during these months and finally when i

> noticed

> that there is no change and i end up in ER every other day then

> obviously

> surgery was the only option i was left with. So far i have no regrets

> because i have no side effects so far. I do not know what is future

> holding

> however, i am going to change my life style and see what happens.

> Dave if

> you have any post surgery suggestions, i shall be grateful.

>

> I wish you guys all the best and i shall keep you posted if

> something nbew

> comes up.

>

> Munawar

>

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dave Shelden

> <wholehealthawarene s s@...>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Chantal,

> >

> > Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time.

> Probably most

> > of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in

> his

> > decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he

> attempted much

> > and reached a point where he decided that removal was the best

> route, which

> > he does not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable.

> However there

> > are also scores of people that have never gotten to that point

> because they

> > reached a point of comfort well before removal through less

> invasive means.

> > It is not possible to determine in your case what the future

> holds, just a

> > question that hangs in the present; Should you try other natural

> approaches

> > first? One thing that is not up for debate is the other positive

> changes

> > that these attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second

> this

> > after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for vegetarians

> to develop

> > gallstones but is quite common. this is no reflection on the

> vegetarian diet

> > just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance

> company the

> > cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of

> course the

> > attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may

> recommend you

> > have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about

> specifics can be

> > found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you

> cannot find

> > a better bunch of more caring people.

> >

> > Always, in all ways,

> >

> > -Dave

> > Re: Should I have surgery?

> >

> > Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my

> experience wit

> > you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went

> through a

> > lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20

> times in 7

> > months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories

> on the

> > net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I

> spent

> > thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is

> suggested

> > online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> > difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no

> pain, no

> > diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth.

> Doctors

> > are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi

> organ. I bet

> > no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other

> treatments

> > are

> > temporary.

> >

> > Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970

> <cgilmore1970% 40>

> > <mailto:cgilmore197 0%40. com

> <cgilmore1970% 2540. com>>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize

> most of

> > you

> > > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal

> experience?

> > I

> > > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in

> terrible

> > > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was

> because

> > it

> > > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more

> focused under

> > my

> > > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was

> likely my

> > > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they

> discovered

> > my

> > > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any

> symptoms

> > > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has

> likley

> > been a

> > > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I

> had an

> > > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise

> and it also

> > > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was

> going to

> > > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> > thickening

> > > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA

> afterall.

> > > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a

> surgeon next

> > > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon.

> Am I

> > fooling

> > > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the

> cleanses

> > > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info

> you could

> > give

> > > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> > vegetarian

> > > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > > Help!

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > Chantal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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I still do not see where Munawar did a flush...I know he says his stones are

large, we all have large stones and we have done flushes...he did not to my

knowledge...oh well, his GB is gone and now he will learn what it is not to have

a GB...

>

>

> I agree with Dave that every case is different and thats why i said

> that

> removing GB is entirely your own decision and you can ask question,

> listen

> to the experiences of people on this forum and most of all you know

> better

> what you are going through. So, yes, do try herbaland homeopathic

> remedies

> because they do have an impact on your body in one way or another. I

> used

> mastic gum, marshmallow root and DGL for my ulcers and i did an

> endoscopy on

> April 8th, 09 and my ulcers are all healed. So yes, there is no

> disagreement that herbs do work and bring positive changes. In

> regardds to

> gallstones things sometime work and sometime dont. I consulted one

> of the

> best homeopths in India and when he looked at my ultrsound reports,

> size of

> stones etc. he told me that my stones are very large and probably

> homepath

> will not do much so i should go for surgery. I then moved to

> naturopath and

> they gave me stuff to dissolve the stones instead of flushing them out

> because they said the same story that my stones are very big (2.2cm

> largest)

> and they do not suggest flushing as it may get stuck in bile duct.

> Anyways,

> i went through a lot pain during these months and finally when i

> noticed

> that there is no change and i end up in ER every other day then

> obviously

> surgery was the only option i was left with. So far i have no regrets

> because i have no side effects so far. I do not know what is future

> holding

> however, i am going to change my life style and see what happens.

> Dave if

> you have any post surgery suggestions, i shall be grateful.

>

> I wish you guys all the best and i shall keep you posted if

> something nbew

> comes up.

>

> Munawar

>

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dave Shelden

> <wholehealthawarene s s@...>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Chantal,

> >

> > Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time.

> Probably most

> > of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in

> his

> > decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he

> attempted much

> > and reached a point where he decided that removal was the best

> route, which

> > he does not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable.

> However there

> > are also scores of people that have never gotten to that point

> because they

> > reached a point of comfort well before removal through less

> invasive means.

> > It is not possible to determine in your case what the future

> holds, just a

> > question that hangs in the present; Should you try other natural

> approaches

> > first? One thing that is not up for debate is the other positive

> changes

> > that these attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second

> this

> > after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for vegetarians

> to develop

> > gallstones but is quite common. this is no reflection on the

> vegetarian diet

> > just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance

> company the

> > cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of

> course the

> > attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may

> recommend you

> > have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about

> specifics can be

> > found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you

> cannot find

> > a better bunch of more caring people.

> >

> > Always, in all ways,

> >

> > -Dave

> > Re: Should I have surgery?

> >

> > Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my

> experience wit

> > you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went

> through a

> > lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20

> times in 7

> > months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories

> on the

> > net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I

> spent

> > thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is

> suggested

> > online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> > difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no

> pain, no

> > diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth.

> Doctors

> > are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi

> organ. I bet

> > no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other

> treatments

> > are

> > temporary.

> >

> > Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970

> <cgilmore1970% 40>

> > <mailto:cgilmore197 0%40. com

> <cgilmore1970% 2540. com>>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize

> most of

> > you

> > > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal

> experience?

> > I

> > > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in

> terrible

> > > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was

> because

> > it

> > > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more

> focused under

> > my

> > > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was

> likely my

> > > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they

> discovered

> > my

> > > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any

> symptoms

> > > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has

> likley

> > been a

> > > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I

> had an

> > > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise

> and it also

> > > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was

> going to

> > > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> > thickening

> > > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA

> afterall.

> > > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a

> surgeon next

> > > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon.

> Am I

> > fooling

> > > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the

> cleanses

> > > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info

> you could

> > give

> > > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> > vegetarian

> > > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > > Help!

> > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > Chantal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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you are right jay, i did not do any flush because it was highly DISCOURAGED

by all the naturopaths. I am not a physician and i was seeking help from

naturoptahs and paying them a lot of money. Obviously i had to follow their

protocol as well. Which i did and according to it a flush was not the best

remedy for me.

I have now removed my GB and as mentioned earlier there is no regret as

i personally know several people who are living a very normal life without

thier gb and some of them removed their gb more than 15 years ago and never

had any problem. Since April 13th, 09 (surgery day) i am feeling okay, no

diareha, no constipation, i eat every thing. I am only waiting for my

surgery wounds to heal and i am back on track.

One should try all the remedies before removing their gb, because i did the

same. However, trust me there are more restrictions in life to deal with to

save your gb than to live without it. You have to follow your diet all the

time, you can not eat any thing, fear of painful attacks are always with

you, fear of other stuff related to liver is always there because poorely

functioned gb affects your liver. Worry about flushes and unpleasent

protocols to follow to do the flushes and get nothing in most of the

cases. I belive there is lot less to lose when you remove it than going for

a fight to save it. This is my opinion only. I do not discourage anybody

for what they are doing and my prayers are always with them. Good Luck!

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote:

>

>

> I still do not see where Munawar did a flush...I know he says his stones

> are large, we all have large stones and we have done flushes...he did not to

> my knowledge...oh well, his GB is gone and now he will learn what it is not

> to have a GB...

>

>

> >

> >

> > I agree with Dave that every case is different and thats why i said

> > that

> > removing GB is entirely your own decision and you can ask question,

> > listen

> > to the experiences of people on this forum and most of all you know

> > better

> > what you are going through. So, yes, do try herbaland homeopathic

> > remedies

> > because they do have an impact on your body in one way or another. I

> > used

> > mastic gum, marshmallow root and DGL for my ulcers and i did an

> > endoscopy on

> > April 8th, 09 and my ulcers are all healed. So yes, there is no

> > disagreement that herbs do work and bring positive changes. In

> > regardds to

> > gallstones things sometime work and sometime dont. I consulted one

> > of the

> > best homeopths in India and when he looked at my ultrsound reports,

> > size of

> > stones etc. he told me that my stones are very large and probably

> > homepath

> > will not do much so i should go for surgery. I then moved to

> > naturopath and

> > they gave me stuff to dissolve the stones instead of flushing them out

> > because they said the same story that my stones are very big (2.2cm

> > largest)

> > and they do not suggest flushing as it may get stuck in bile duct.

> > Anyways,

> > i went through a lot pain during these months and finally when i

> > noticed

> > that there is no change and i end up in ER every other day then

> > obviously

> > surgery was the only option i was left with. So far i have no regrets

> > because i have no side effects so far. I do not know what is future

> > holding

> > however, i am going to change my life style and see what happens.

> > Dave if

> > you have any post surgery suggestions, i shall be grateful.

> >

> > I wish you guys all the best and i shall keep you posted if

> > something nbew

> > comes up.

> >

> > Munawar

> >

> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Dave Shelden

> > <wholehealthawarene s s@... <s%40msn.com>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chantal,

> > >

> > > Yes, natural attempts (not just flushes) work all the time.

> > Probably most

> > > of the time. We all know Munawar and I believe most support him in

> > his

> > > decision. Bless him. Every case is different and in his, he

> > attempted much

> > > and reached a point where he decided that removal was the best

> > route, which

> > > he does not regret, and is obviously much more comfortable.

> > However there

> > > are also scores of people that have never gotten to that point

> > because they

> > > reached a point of comfort well before removal through less

> > invasive means.

> > > It is not possible to determine in your case what the future

> > holds, just a

> > > question that hangs in the present; Should you try other natural

> > approaches

> > > first? One thing that is not up for debate is the other positive

> > changes

> > > that these attempts create. I would hope that Munawar would second

> > this

> > > after his experience. It is not only not uncommon for vegetarians

> > to develop

> > > gallstones but is quite common. this is no reflection on the

> > vegetarian diet

> > > just an observation. Let me save either you or your insurance

> > company the

> > > cost of the consultation: The surgeon will recommend srgery... Of

> > course the

> > > attorney may recommend legal action and the landscaper may

> > recommend you

> > > have your grass cut... Many of the questions you have about

> > specifics can be

> > > found in the archives of this group and in terms of support, you

> > cannot find

> > > a better bunch of more caring people.

> > >

> > > Always, in all ways,

> > >

> > > -Dave

> > > Re: Should I have surgery?

> > >

> > > Removing GB is entirely your own decision but let me shre my

> > experience wit

> > > you. I found out around 7 months ago that i have stones, i went

> > through a

> > > lot of terrible attacks and probabaly went to ER more than 20

> > times in 7

> > > months. I was never ready to remove my GB b.coz of so many stories

> > on the

> > > net etc. but finally i had to remove it because nothing worked. I

> > spent

> > > thousands on naturopaths, homeopaths, and did every thing that is

> > suggested

> > > online and by naturopaths. Took all kind of herbs etc and it made no

> > > difference at all. I removed my GB on April 13th, and i have no

> > pain, no

> > > diareaha, no nause, no nothing, every thing is going very smooth.

> > Doctors

> > > are saying that one can live a very normal life wiuthout thi

> > organ. I bet

> > > no matter what you do, one day it has to go because all other

> > treatments

> > > are

> > > temporary.

> > >

> > > Think wisely and do whatever suits you best. all the best.

> > >

> > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, cgilmore1970 <cgilmore1970

> > <cgilmore1970% 40>

> > > <mailto:cgilmore197 0%40. com

> > <cgilmore1970% 2540. com>>>wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize

> > most of

> > > you

> > > > have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal

> > experience?

> > > I

> > > > have had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in

> > terrible

> > > > pain. The first two times I couldn't really specify where it was

> > because

> > > it

> > > > was widespread in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more

> > focused under

> > > my

> > > > right breast bone. When I went to the doctor she told me it was

> > likely my

> > > > gallbladder. A few years back I had other tests done and they

> > discovered

> > > my

> > > > gallbladder had several stones in it. Since I wasn't having any

> > symptoms

> > > > there was no reason to have it removed. Now I feel like it has

> > likley

> > > been a

> > > > ticking time bomb. I have no pain my my back and no nausea. I

> > had an

> > > > ultrasound and the results showed stones which is no surprise

> > and it also

> > > > showed a thickening of the gallbladder. Originally my doctor was

> > going to

> > > > send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present but she said the

> > > thickening

> > > > indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do the HIDA

> > afterall.

> > > > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a

> > surgeon next

> > > > week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon.

> > Am I

> > > fooling

> > > > myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the

> > cleanses

> > > > really work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info

> > you could

> > > give

> > > > me would be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a

> > > vegetarian

> > > > diet so I am not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > > > Help!

> > > > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > > > Chantal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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GB is an organ one can live without, however living with it while having

issues like gallstones, thickness of walls etc. may lead to GB cancer and

liver is first victim of this if your gb becomes cancerous. The most common

cause of obstructive jaundice is the presence of gallstones in the ducts of

the biliary system obviously gallstones in gb sometimes are slipped into

bilary duct or during the flush if stones are not succesfully passed then it

causes jaundice which is a liver disease and not only it causes jaundice but

pancreatitis as well which can be fatal if left untreated for longer time.

My gb was removed in ER only because i was getting jaundice and my liver

enzymes were getting abnormal. If gb has nothing to do with these

complications then why would they remove it to get rid of these

complications. This proves that gb is directly linked to liver and if it

does not function properly, it effects liver, pancreas and spleen. Presence

of mobile stones in gb can cause obstruction and cause jaundice.

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> I did not know that a poorly functioning GB affects the function of the

> liver. Can you elaborate? Thanks.

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Dear Chantal,

> I am reluctant to have it removed so soon.

As well you should be! Allowing strangers to slice essential organs out of our

bodies with sharp knives is most certainly not a decision that any of us should

make lightly!

>Am I fooling myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point?

No, of course you're not fooling yourself. Personally I think it would be much

more foolish to assume that it's necessary to have surgery at this point than it

would be to take the the time to first educate yourself about and explore all

the other non-invasive options available to you, as well as to find out for

yourself exactly how your body works and why you may be experiencing less than

ideal health to begin with.

>Do the cleanses really work when you have a ton of stones?

Do they work? I guess that depends on what you mean by work.

Can they remove a ton of stones? In my opinion they can, yes. If done

correctly, flushes can make this happen quite simply, easily, painlessly and

very effectively at that. But if you're 40 years old and have a " ton " of them,

chances are they won't all come out in one flush, or even two for that matter.

This is why doing a series of flushes is one of the most effective approaches to

affect a cleanse of this sort.

From all the research I've done (and I've done a ton of it, believe me) as well

as from my own personal experience doing about a half dozen flushes, it's become

clear to me that many peoples' gall bladders are congested to one degree or

another with all sorts of obstructions. From all kinds of different colored

calcified stones, to gravel and chaff, to greasy globules of congealed bile

salts and cholesterol, I have no doubt that a lot of folks are walking around

these days with gall bladders (and even livers too) that have become stagnated

and filled with crud. This is largely due to a combination of less than ideal

dietary choices, along with with the incredible amount of environmental toxins

to which we're all exposed these days. And when people do a series of liver

flushes with the proper protocol, chances are very good that they will see

amazing amounts of such gunk pass right out of their bodies.

>Any advice or info you could give me would be appreciated.

First of all, the most important thing you can do initally is to get informed.

It's particularly helpful to take the time to educate yourself about your body

and how it works. Go to the library or use the power of the internet to

research information about the anatomy and physiology of the liver and gall

bladder so you have a working understanding of their true function and purpose

in your body.

Read everything you can about the liver/gall bladder flush. Check out Hulda

's flushing protocol so you understand how and why it works. Read through

the links and files sections of this forum, as well as the archived messages,

where you'll find tons of resources and a tremendous amount of helpful

information.

I found it was especially helpful for me to read others' experiences of doing

these flushes before I screwed up enough courage to do my first one. Then once

I did it and saw the results, doing subsequent flushes was simple. Curezone is

a great place to read loads of archived messages written by people who've done

lots of flushes.

It's also a good idea to learn about the numerous different herbs such as milk

thistle, dandelion, chanca piedra and others that have been used for ages to

support liver function and encourage cleansing and detoxification.

And it's really valuable to educate yourself about why detoxification and proper

nourishment are such important keys on the path to wellness. These things work

hand in hand together and are vital in helping to support the body to restore

its inner balance so it may do what it's designed to do and heal itself when it

becomes ill. Many people who look into liver flushing also end up learning

about and practicing many other different forms of internal cleansing and

detoxification, because they're such effective tools on the path to health and

healing.

The bottom line is that you need to explore your options fully and arm yourself

with knowledge so that you can make empowered choices and informed decisions

about steps you can take to support your body's own innate ability to heal,

instead of acting out of ignorance, giving away your power and allowing others

to dictate to you about things like when and where you should have vital organs

permanently removed from your body.

Once you start to learn more about how the body works, about how profoundly

proper nourishment (or the lack thereof) can affect our health, and about the

phenomenal health benefits of detoxification, you'll begin to gain a deeper,

more fundamental understanding about the connection between our internal balance

or homeostasis and our bodies' natural and powerful ability to heal itself and

remain healthy. With this understanding will come clearer insights about how

the pain of chronic degenerative illness is our body's way of raising a red flag

to indicate to us that something within us is out of balance.

Resorting to surgery as a cure for chronic illness without even considering the

original root cause for our sickness, or without first attempting to address

that cause by exploring natural, holistic approaches, is to my way of thinking

not only foolish but downright absurd.

So my advice to you is to do your homework. Do a lot of digging, ask a bunch of

questions and become as knowledgeable as you can. Once you do so, you'll be in

a much better position to decide how to proceed, and will most likely be much

more prepared, enabled and empowered to take responsibility for your personal

health into your own hands.

Elan

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> gallstones in gb sometimes are slipped into

> bilary duct or during the flush if stones are not succesfully passed

As I understand it, taking the 4 doses of dissolved epsom salt, (2 in the

evening before drinking the oil mixture and 2 the morning after) as per the

protocol, ensures that any stones or material released from the gall

bladder will pass freely through the biliary ducts without getting stuck.

Evidently taking the epsom salt is key in this regard, as it relaxes smooth

muscle, allowing the ducts and sphincters to dilate, making way for the passing

stones.

I've done 6 flushes and have never had any stones get stuck either during or

after flushing.

Read through this page for more information on the effectiveness of ingesting

epsom salt as part of a liver flush:

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985355

Also, check out the size of some of the larger stones people have passed doing

flushes here:

http://curezone.com/ig/f.asp?f=12

I be interested to know if anyone on this list who has done flushes using epsom

salt per Hulda 's protocol has ever had to deal with stuck stones as a

result. If so, would you be willing to share that experience with us here on

the forum please?

Thanks,

Elan

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> Worry about flushes and unpleasent

> protocols to follow to do the flushes and get nothing in most of the

> cases.

Hi Munwar,

The flush protocol isn't all that unpleasant. It's actually pretty easy to do,

both physically and psychologically, once you become well informed and are clear

about what you're doing and why.

I'm not sure why you say that people get nothing out of liver flushing in most

cases. Can you tell us please?

I think it's important to note that there are plenty of people experiencing

impaired health who are looking for a quick fix, and no doubt some of those who

hear about liver flushing don't really do their due diligence and end up

mistakenly assuming that doing one flush will somehow magically cure them

overnight. Maybe these are the people you are referring to? My feeling is that

for most people it may take doing a series of flushes, along with taking other

whole body approaches such as addressing their level of nourishment on an

ongoing basis, perhaps combined with exploring other modes of internal cleansing

and detoxification etc, before any truly natural healing from within may begin

to occur.

I just feel to speak up about the potential benefits of liver flushing, and to

remind folks that you, Munwar never did even one, much less as series of them,

to see if they might indeed be beneficial for you and help you to heal.

Although I'm not sick myself, and have done liver flushes just for general

cleansing purposes, I've read enough stories from other people who are ill who

have been helped by doing liver flushes, and have heard these cleanses

recommended by enough well respected holistic health professionals to have

become convinced that the liver flush can be one of many useful, inexpensive and

non-invasive practices that can have a profoundly positive impact upon peoples'

health.

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There is no disagreement on what you are saying, i have seen the benfits of

herbs my self in several areas and i am not at all discouraging people for

not going for this. Why would i do that? I have lost my gb and i do not

know what will i go through in coming days, all i am trying to say is that

nobody wants to get rid of their organs its just that sometimes it gets so

difficult that some people surrender like myself. Trsut me i fought for 7

months and i am not a rich man, i spent a lot of money on naturopaths and if

i did not do a flush i would blame my naturoptahs for this because i was

following their advice and they never asked me to do a flush. Put yourself

in my shoes and then you will know why i did not do a flush. My

naturropaths were keep on telling me that this is not the right time and at

last theirwait for the right time sent me straight to operation theater. Do

you think that i wanted to cut my organ and throw it in the garbage and i am

asking others to do this as well? You are wrong, i am not at all saying

this. People with mobile gallstones sufffer and they suffer with or without

gb. Once you develop stones and they start bothering you, you should be

ready to face a difficult time and i know removal of gb will not put an end

to this. In one way or another suffering will always be there. God Bless

All. Amen

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:16 PM, elan_spire <elan_spire@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> > Worry about flushes and unpleasent

> > protocols to follow to do the flushes and get nothing in most of the

> > cases.

>

> Hi Munwar,

>

> The flush protocol isn't all that unpleasant. It's actually pretty easy to

> do, both physically and psychologically, once you become well informed and

> are clear about what you're doing and why.

>

> I'm not sure why you say that people get nothing out of liver flushing in

> most cases. Can you tell us please?

>

> I think it's important to note that there are plenty of people experiencing

> impaired health who are looking for a quick fix, and no doubt some of those

> who hear about liver flushing don't really do their due diligence and end up

> mistakenly assuming that doing one flush will somehow magically cure them

> overnight. Maybe these are the people you are referring to? My feeling is

> that for most people it may take doing a series of flushes, along with

> taking other whole body approaches such as addressing their level of

> nourishment on an ongoing basis, perhaps combined with exploring other modes

> of internal cleansing and detoxification etc, before any truly natural

> healing from within may begin to occur.

>

> I just feel to speak up about the potential benefits of liver flushing, and

> to remind folks that you, Munwar never did even one, much less as series of

> them, to see if they might indeed be beneficial for you and help you to

> heal.

>

> Although I'm not sick myself, and have done liver flushes just for general

> cleansing purposes, I've read enough stories from other people who are ill

> who have been helped by doing liver flushes, and have heard these cleanses

> recommended by enough well respected holistic health professionals to have

> become convinced that the liver flush can be one of many useful, inexpensive

> and non-invasive practices that can have a profoundly positive impact upon

> peoples' health.

>

> Elan

>

>

>

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Munwar I support your decision. My docter is an ND and an MD who comes from a

long line of ND's. She is taking my GB next week. I too tried everything

including flushes but mine is hereditary. People should not knock others for the

decisions they make.

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Re: Re: Should I have surgery?

There is no disagreement on what you are saying, i have seen the benfits of

herbs my self in several areas and i am not at all discouraging people for

not going for this. Why would i do that? I have lost my gb and i do not

know what will i go through in coming days, all i am trying to say is that

nobody wants to get rid of their organs its just that sometimes it gets so

difficult that some people surrender like myself. Trsut me i fought for 7

months and i am not a rich man, i spent a lot of money on naturopaths and if

i did not do a flush i would blame my naturoptahs for this because i was

following their advice and they never asked me to do a flush. Put yourself

in my shoes and then you will know why i did not do a flush. My

naturropaths were keep on telling me that this is not the right time and at

last theirwait for the right time sent me straight to operation theater. Do

you think that i wanted to cut my organ and throw it in the garbage and i am

asking others to do this as well? You are wrong, i am not at all saying

this. People with mobile gallstones sufffer and they suffer with or without

gb. Once you develop stones and they start bothering you, you should be

ready to face a difficult time and i know removal of gb will not put an end

to this. In one way or another suffering will always be there. God Bless

All. Amen

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>

>

>

> > Worry about flushes and unpleasent

> > protocols to follow to do the flushes and get nothing in most of the

> > cases.

>

> Hi Munwar,

>

> The flush protocol isn't all that unpleasant. It's actually pretty easy to

> do, both physically and psychologically, once you become well informed and

> are clear about what you're doing and why.

>

> I'm not sure why you say that people get nothing out of liver flushing in

> most cases. Can you tell us please?

>

> I think it's important to note that there are plenty of people experiencing

> impaired health who are looking for a quick fix, and no doubt some of those

> who hear about liver flushing don't really do their due diligence and end up

> mistakenly assuming that doing one flush will somehow magically cure them

> overnight. Maybe these are the people you are referring to? My feeling is

> that for most people it may take doing a series of flushes, along with

> taking other whole body approaches such as addressing their level of

> nourishment on an ongoing basis, perhaps combined with exploring other modes

> of internal cleansing and detoxification etc, before any truly natural

> healing from within may begin to occur.

>

> I just feel to speak up about the potential benefits of liver flushing, and

> to remind folks that you, Munwar never did even one, much less as series of

> them, to see if they might indeed be beneficial for you and help you to

> heal.

>

> Although I'm not sick myself, and have done liver flushes just for general

> cleansing purposes, I've read enough stories from other people who are ill

> who have been helped by doing liver flushes, and have heard these cleanses

> recommended by enough well respected holistic health professionals to have

> become convinced that the liver flush can be one of many useful, inexpensive

> and non-invasive practices that can have a profoundly positive impact upon

> peoples' health.

>

> Elan

>

>

>

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Hi there,

It's been a while since I've posted...have been a member for years as I

was a regular and satisfied gallbladder cleanser and " flusher " . This

approach saved me from surgery for many years...when I started having

trouble, the only surgery available was the " standard " surgery, no such

thing as laperoscopic surgery.

I went from 1986 - 2005 or 06 I believe it was with flushes...20

years...and documented many of those years of flushing and my emergency

surgery that finally had to take place when I found myself more involved

taking care of others than myself...my Dad passed away after a long

illness a few months before the surgery.

I don't regret either decision, doing the flushes for years and thank my

gallbladder for opening my eyes to all the natural ways to care for the

body. I don't regret the surgery, either, it happened when it was the

right time, and I have had no complications.

You'll know when the time is right if surgery is necessary.

My stories are at http://happynutritionist.com/gallbladder.html

and http://happynutritionist.com/gallbladderout.html

God bless,

L. Meydrech, CN

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Hey there Chantal.

Sorry for the late reply. Really I would look deep into resolving your gb

problems.

Many health practitioners are still not educated on the deeper etiologies of gb

and liver dysfunction. Most likely because there is very little money in curing

conditions so the research just is not done or is ignored period.

If I were you I would find an MD that does intravenous chelation. Go have a

'challenge' done to see if you have mercury and lead in your body. If you do

then that can negatively impact various organs including the livers capacity to

manufacture bile. Mercury can also cause extensive oxidative damage to body

tissues so nerve paralysis and scar tissue of the gallbladder is also possible.

Your condition may not get better until these other systemic health aspects are

addressed.

I'm trying to get some people here to realize that focused treatment only on the

liver and gb may not be enough. One needs to look at the whole body and

systemic treatments as well.

I'm also looking into more research on neurotoxin accumulation. This can cause

liver inflammation amongst other things. Getting these harmful neurotoxins out

of the body is very important.

I'm currently using Ornithine and Argenine. Beta Sitosterol is something I

havent started yet.

Email me if you need more info. I've been meaning to type up a comprehensive

protocol for all of my answer seeking friends but havent gotten around to it

yet.

Brad

>

> I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of you

have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience? I have

had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible pain. The

first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because it was widespread

in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under my right breast bone.

When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my gallbladder. A few years

back I had other tests done and they discovered my gallbladder had several

stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms there was no reason to have it

removed. Now I feel like it has likley been a ticking time bomb. I have no pain

my my back and no nausea. I had an ultrasound and the results showed stones

which is no surprise and it also showed a thickening of the gallbladder.

Originally my doctor was going to send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present

but she said the thickening indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do

the HIDA afterall.

> She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next week

for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I fooling myself

into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses really work

when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could give me would be

appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a vegetarian diet so I am not

a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> Help!

> Thank you in advance for your time.

> Chantal

>

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What is this " thickening " referring to? I have heard it referenced before. Is

it something that is reversible?

> >

> > I just joined the group in hopes of educating myself. I realize most of you

have likely done a lot of research and nothing beats personal experience? I have

had 3 nights over the past month where I have woken up in terrible pain. The

first two times I couldn't really specify where it was because it was widespread

in abdomen/chest. The 3rd time it was more focused under my right breast bone.

When I went to the doctor she told me it was likely my gallbladder. A few years

back I had other tests done and they discovered my gallbladder had several

stones in it. Since I wasn't having any symptoms there was no reason to have it

removed. Now I feel like it has likley been a ticking time bomb. I have no pain

my my back and no nausea. I had an ultrasound and the results showed stones

which is no surprise and it also showed a thickening of the gallbladder.

Originally my doctor was going to send me for a HIDA scan if stones were present

but she said the thickening indicates it isn't functioning well so no need to do

the HIDA afterall.

> > She wants me to go and have it removed. I am meeting with a surgeon next

week for a consult. I am reluctant to have it removed so soon. Am I fooling

myself into thicking I don't need surgery at this point? Do the cleanses really

work when you have a ton of stones? Any advice or info you could give me would

be appreciated. I am going to be 40. Ironically I eat a vegetarian diet so I am

not a likely candidate. I am about 10lbs overweight.

> > Help!

> > Thank you in advance for your time.

> > Chantal

> >

>

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