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1.) In the studies I have seen on chlorella (about an 8 " stack), I

have not seen any indication that the source of product used in the study

was controlled for metal contamination. (Please, if anyone knows

different, direct me to the studies.)

2.) In those cases, the observed activity of chlorella is compromised in

regard to its effectiveness to remove metals from the tissues. (e.g. If

the observation is made that metal is excreted, what is the source of the

metal - tissue or chlorella?)

3.) Any chelating agent can redistribute metals in tissue to some

extent. The competence of detox pathways and the strength of the

biochemical bond between the chelator and the metal are only two of many

issues that need to be considered to determine the possibility of that

circumstance.

4.) I won't reject chlorella as a possible chelating agent. I just

want to get some better data. Anyone?

Here I will restate what I believe to be obvious and essential:

CHELATION SHOULD NOT BE DONE UNLESS THE FUNCTIONS OF METABOLIC PATHWAYS

HAVE BEEN ASSESSED AND CORRECTIVE INTERVENTION ATTEMPTED, WITH SUBSEQUENT

FOLLOWUP OF CHANGES IN FUNCTIONAL METABOLIC PATHWAYS.

IF THOROUGH, DILIGENT ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO IMPROVE PATHWAY FUNCTION

WITHOUT SUCCESS (OR LIMITED SUCCESS), THEN, AND ONLY THEN, SHOULD

CHELATION INTERVENTIONS BE ATTEMPTED BY A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL WITH DUE

REGARD TO THE POTENTIAL HAZARDS OF DISRUPTING INDIGENOUS METABOLIC

FUNCTIONS.

Best wishes in your search for good health,

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At 10:51 AM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote:

Dear , mt, Dr.

Bassett, and others,

Okay, please stay with me here:

------------------------------------------------------------------

<<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in part:>>

> > Regarding

> > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems with

> > it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

<<then mt said, in part:>>

> Would you give more details on what kind of problems it may cause?

What if I

> use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin C?

--------------------------------------------------------------------

<<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>>

" The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe

misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella

verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) "

--------------------------------------------------------------------

<<finally, Devlin said, in part:>>

Jumping in here...

I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his previous

post Re: Alternative methods for Detox

I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I

believe

misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella

verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) "

So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy metals,

and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy metals

in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming more

metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.)

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Okay, are you all with me??

ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the

brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have a

decent

quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him about

this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting his

view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella are

more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I am

not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on. Ask

him about it if you want to know.

HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone wants

the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who were

doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure), who

then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that the

reason

they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to the

people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella that

several people had all read and started taking it, around the

same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders. Hal

Huggins

goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why the

chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the stuff??

is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction??

As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in

this book.)

mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points to

merc

toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very

serious

mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what Huggins

said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking about

regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning.

, I made the same inference as you (from Dr. Bassett's

comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the problem.

Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella or

clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both,

it seems like a good thing to steer clear of.

best regards,

Moria

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I've never seen any evidence chlorella removes mercury.

I have seen lots of speculation based on not understanding adequate

chemistry to realize it should not.

I have seen people's hair and urine analyses while using chlorella.

None had reduction in toxic load. Some have, however, suddenly shown

up with a NEW toxin that they didn't have any other potential source

of exposure to than the chlorella.

Andy

> >Dear , mt, Dr. Bassett, and others,

> >

> >Okay, please stay with me here:

> >------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in part:>>

> > > > Regarding

> > > > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems with

> > > > it.

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<then mt said, in part:>>

> > > Would you give more details on what kind of problems it may

cause?

> >What if I

> > > use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin C?

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>>

> > " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe

> >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella

> >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) "

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<finally, Devlin said, in part:>>

> >Jumping in here...

> >

> >I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his previous

> >post Re: Alternative methods for Detox

> >

> >I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe

> >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella

> >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) "

> >

> >So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy

metals,

> >and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy

metals

> >in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming more

> >metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.)

>

>---------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> >Okay, are you all with me??

> >

> >ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the

> >brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have a decent

> >quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him about

> >this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting his

> >view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella are

> >more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I am

> >not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on. Ask

> >him about it if you want to know.

> >

> >HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone wants

> >the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who were

> >doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure), who

> >then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that the

reason

> >they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to the

> >people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella that

> >several people had all read and started taking it, around the

> >same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders. Hal Huggins

> >goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why the

> >chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the stuff??

> >is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction??

> >As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in

> >this book.)

> >

> >mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points to merc

> >toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very serious

> >mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what Huggins

> >said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking about

> >regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning.

> >

> >, I made the same inference as you (from Dr. Bassett's

> >comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the problem.

> >

> >Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella or

> >clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both,

> >it seems like a good thing to steer clear of.

> >

> >best regards,

> >Moria

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I've just read an article in the Feb/Mar Townsend on chlorella that is

well referenced. It suggests nothing about chlorella's metal detox

capability. Other experts I have consulted tell me there are no

studies establishing this as a benefit of chlorella.

Dr. B.

At 07:21 PM 2/21/01 +0000, you wrote:

I've never seen any evidence

chlorella removes mercury.

I have seen lots of speculation based on not understanding adequate

chemistry to realize it should not.

I have seen people's hair and urine analyses while using chlorella.

None had reduction in toxic load. Some have, however, suddenly

shown

up with a NEW toxin that they didn't have any other potential source

of exposure to than the chlorella.

Andy

> >Dear , mt, Dr. Bassett, and others,

> >

> >Okay, please stay with me here:

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in

part:>>

> > > > Regarding

> > > > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems

with

> > > > it.

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<then mt said, in part:>>

> > > Would you give more details on what kind of problems it

may

cause?

> >What if I

> > > use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin

C?

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>>

> > " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe

> >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free

chlorella

> >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about

it.) "

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------------

> ><<finally, Devlin said, in part:>>

> >Jumping in here...

> >

> >I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his

previous

> >post Re: Alternative methods for Detox

> >

> >I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I

believe

> >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free

chlorella

> >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about

it.) "

> >

> >So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy

metals,

> >and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy

metals

> >in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming

more

> >metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.)

>

>---------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> >Okay, are you all with me??

> >

> >ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the

> >brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have

a decent

> >quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him

about

> >this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting

his

> >view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella

are

> >more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I

am

> >not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on.

Ask

> >him about it if you want to know.

> >

> >HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone

wants

> >the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who

were

> >doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure),

who

> >then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that

the

reason

> >they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to

the

> >people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella

that

> >several people had all read and started taking it, around

the

> >same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders.

Hal Huggins

> >goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why

the

> >chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the

stuff??

> >is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction??

> >As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in

> >this book.)

> >

> >mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points

to merc

> >toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very

serious

> >mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what

Huggins

> >said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking

about

> >regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning.

> >

> >, I made the same inference as you (from Dr.

Bassett's

> >comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the

problem.

> >

> >Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella

or

> >clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both,

> >it seems like a good thing to steer clear of.

> >

> >best regards,

> >Moria

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>Sponsor<http://rd./M=176325.1320063.2911715.1252795/D=egroup

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> >

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Moria,

I have a conference audio tape by a partner(?) of Dietrich Klinghardt, M.D.,

Ph.D who talked about using garlic and chlorella and then later use cilantro

to detox mercury with great success.

They have a web site at http://www.neuraltherapy.com/, but I don't know if

they listed such information there.

mt

Merriweather wrote:

> Dear , mt, Dr. Bassett, and others,

>

> Okay, please stay with me here:

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

> <<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in part:>>

> > > Regarding

> > > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems with

> > > it.

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

> <<then mt said, in part:>>

> > Would you give more details on what kind of problems it may cause?

> What if I

> > use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin C?

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

> <<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>>

> " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe

> misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella

> verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) "

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

> <<finally, Devlin said, in part:>>

> Jumping in here...

>

> I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his previous

> post Re: Alternative methods for Detox

>

> I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe

> misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella

> verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) "

>

> So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy metals,

> and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy metals

> in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming more

> metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.)

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Okay, are you all with me??

>

> ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the

> brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have a decent

> quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him about

> this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting his

> view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella are

> more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I am

> not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on. Ask

> him about it if you want to know.

>

> HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone wants

> the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who were

> doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure), who

> then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that the reason

> they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to the

> people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella that

> several people had all read and started taking it, around the

> same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders. Hal Huggins

> goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why the

> chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the stuff??

> is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction??

> As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in

> this book.)

>

> mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points to merc

> toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very serious

> mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what Huggins

> said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking about

> regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning.

>

> , I made the same inference as you (from Dr. Bassett's

> comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the problem.

>

> Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella or

> clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both,

> it seems like a good thing to steer clear of.

>

> best regards,

> Moria

>

>

>

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I copied this from a web site

http://www.neuraltherapy.com/a_mercury_detox.asp

It did mention chlorella pyreneidosa.

Just like to share what I found.

mt

4. transdermal cilantro challenge/Jerome mercury

breath analyzer

the author has developed a transdermal solution of the

natural herb cilantro. This solution can be applied to

joints and skin areas suspected of being Hg storage sites.

The breath is tested for Hg content before application of

the solution and 1 min. 2 min and 5 min after. If the

breath level of exhaled Hg increases significantly,

compartmentalized Hg has been detected and mobilized.

5. DMSA challenge

DMSA is behaving more unpredictably and chaotically

and crosses the blood brain barrier sooner. Whatever is

mobilized with DMSA, we cannot conclude with

reasonable accuracy where the Hg came from. All we can

say is, that it is inthere somewhere. If the patient had a

fish meal within 72 hours, the yield will be high. If the

patient is chronically constipated, this time can be as long

as 3 weeks. DMSA is believed to be superior to DMPS in

its ability to mobilize organic mercury (Hg ++), especially

methylmercury. A clinical tip: if a patient does not do well

with DMSA, increase the dose or continue giving it, until

the detox symptoms subside.

6. D-Penicillamine

D-Pen is excellent for mobilizing Hg intracellularly. High

values on the D-Pen challenge suggest high intracellular

Hg levels.

7. Selective mobilization of Hg from the gut

3 effective agents are available:

chlorella pyreneidosa

chitin and chitosan

activated charcoal

8. Selective mobilization from the skin: Sauna Therapy

Can be very effective! Removes Hg from the skin. Levels

can be tested with sweat test. Far infrared saunas also

mobilize Hg in deeper tissues (3 " down). Avoid re-uptake

by the lungs!

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>

> Does chlorella help with constipation? I'd only heard about it as a

> blood

> cleanser.

> The doctors & dentists around here promote it as a

chelator.

> I haven't done much research on it, and don't have an opinion on

that,

> except I did find papers on it chelating mercury out of mine wastes

> extremely well. But they say drink lots of water and do what you

need

> to do to avoid constipation, prunes, fruit, commercial fiber preps,

> etc. Whatever works for you.

> Bernie

Chlorella is probably at least mildly effective as a chelator because

it sure picks up a lot of mercury from the environment. Locally

available (Portland, OR) chlorella has between some and lots of

mercury when I had it assayed. I imagine it depends a lot on where it

is grown - the more mercury in the growing environment, the more

mercury in the chlorella. Personally, I don't think it's worth the

risk.

Jim Laidler

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" R. Laidler, MD " wrote:

>

> >

> > Does chlorella help with constipation? I'd only heard about it as a

> > blood

> > cleanser.

> > The doctors & dentists around here promote it as a

> chelator.

> > I haven't done much research on it, and don't have an opinion on

> that,

> > except I did find papers on it chelating mercury out of mine wastes

> > extremely well. But they say drink lots of water and do what you

> need

> > to do to avoid constipation, prunes, fruit, commercial fiber preps,

> > etc. Whatever works for you.

> > Bernie

>

> Chlorella is probably at least mildly effective as a chelator because

> it sure picks up a lot of mercury from the environment. Locally

> available (Portland, OR) chlorella has between some and lots of

> mercury when I had it assayed. I imagine it depends a lot on where it

> is grown - the more mercury in the growing environment, the more

> mercury in the chlorella.

Sun Chlorella grow in a controlled water, not wild. I guess it would be

useful to find out if they can provide a test report on it.

mt

> Personally, I don't think it's worth the

> risk.

>

> Jim Laidler

>

>

>

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But that's not all. Sun Chlorella®is grown in pure,

clean water, free from toxins and contaminants.

It

is 100% pure and natural with nothing added and

nothing lost.

After 25 years of testing and after pouring

countless millions of dollars into research and

development, Sun Chlorella® boasts the industry's

highest quality contro

I copied this from Sun chlorella's web site.

http://www.sunchlorellausa.com/archives5.htm

I am asking for their lab report on this. Has anyone looked into this

product?

I have no connection with them.

mt

Moria Merriweather wrote:

> Andy,

>

> What " new toxin " are you referring to??

> Thanks!

> Moria

>

> RESPONDING TO:

> Message: 13

> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:21:46 -0000

> From: AndyCutler@...

> Subject: Re: chlorella

>

> I've never seen any evidence chlorella removes mercury.

>

> I have seen lots of speculation based on not understanding adequate

> chemistry to realize it should not.

>

> I have seen people's hair and urine analyses while using chlorella.

> None had reduction in toxic load. Some have, however, suddenly shown

> up with a NEW toxin that they didn't have any other potential source

> of exposure to than the chlorella.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

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Those who know a bit of biochemistry are aware that humans and indeed

all life have a lot more thiol groups in them than the natural

environment. Thus chlorella out-competes the environment for mercury,

but only stirs it around the human body without promoting excretion.

The proper comparison is not between chlorella and a rock or seawater,

which are not good models of the human body, but between chlorella and

a pork chop. Anybody have data on whether chlorella detoxes pork

chops? That's a lot more relevant than anything I've ever heard

cited.

Unfortunately we chemists did not discharge our moral obligation to

not give poor grades pre-meds who didn't learn their freshman and

sophomore chemistry. Thus myths like the utility of chlorella,

glutathione, NAC, cysteine, etc. as detox agents continue to propagate

and hurt people.

Andy

> >

> > Does chlorella help with constipation? I'd only heard about it as

a

> > blood

> > cleanser.

> > The doctors & dentists around here promote it as a

> chelator.

> > I haven't done much research on it, and don't have an opinion on

> that,

> > except I did find papers on it chelating mercury out of mine

wastes

> > extremely well. But they say drink lots of water and do what you

> need

> > to do to avoid constipation, prunes, fruit, commercial fiber

preps,

> > etc. Whatever works for you.

> > Bernie

>

> Chlorella is probably at least mildly effective as a chelator

because

> it sure picks up a lot of mercury from the environment. Locally

> available (Portland, OR) chlorella has between some and lots of

> mercury when I had it assayed. I imagine it depends a lot on where

it

> is grown - the more mercury in the growing environment, the more

> mercury in the chlorella. Personally, I don't think it's worth the

> risk.

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In a message dated 25/2/03 9:02:26 pm, acfloe@... writes:

> I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on

> our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I

> respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy

> is.

> I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly

> building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well.

> Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury

> problem.

> Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing

> it.

> Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to

> cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain.  Any information

> would be hugely welcome.

>

Just to say that I understand chlorella will only chelate locally in the GI

tract. Now, that is not a bad thing, but it is not a comprehensive

chelation treatment. As for its efficacy on lead and antimony, I don't

know. DMSA has plenty of bad press, too, by the way, as do really all the

chelators. It's a matter of studying, reading, etc. My current favourite

is the IV glutathione fast push, but there's probably problems with that,too.

I haven't found them yet, but I'm sure I will eventually. Slow IV glut no

good. And the transdermal stuff or oral could provoke metals to move

without voiding them because the dosage is low. Oral will be mostly

inactivated in gut in any case. So sometimes it's not just the thing you

are using, but how you use it. DMSA tough on body, especially liver. ALA

hugely debated as a chelator. Chlorella ought to be grown under glass, and

yes there is the sulphur issue and how well sulphation is occuring in the

body, but that argument is certainly not limited to chlorella. Cilantro is

a total no-go because of terrible side effects.

I can't find anyone in the UK who does use the IV glut fast push, however.

Anybody out there in the UK who knows a doctor who administers fast push IV

glut?

Sorry, I can't be of more help.

marti

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I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on

our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I

respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy is.

I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly

building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well.

Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury problem.

Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing it.

Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to

cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. Any information

would be hugely welcome.

Abbie

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> > I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using

chlorella on

> > our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur.

Andy believes that chlorella moves mercury to the brain.

This is just plain dangerous. He believes this based on

the VERE SEVERE of negative reactions he has seen. Hal Huggins

also reports negative reactions to chlorella. Some people

speculate that chlorella draws (contains) mercury and that

is the " problem " . Andy thinks some negative reactions he

has seen are simply too extreme to be caused by the amount

of mercury that could be contained in chlorella, thus he

theorizes that is may move mercury to the brain.

But may I

> > respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our

little boy

> > is.

you could use sulfury supplements, such as NAC.

> > I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly

> > building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty

and well.

well, that is certainly very nice :)

> > Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury

> > problem.

um, no mercury problem based on counting rules? or hair level

of mercury? or ???

> > Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without

realizing

> > it.

> > Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to

> > cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. Any

information

> > would be hugely welcome.

are you also asking about cilantro here? I suspect that cilantro

is a chelation agent, and I have personally experimented with it.

But let's back up: Andy postulates that keeping chelation going on

STEADILY (for days) is critically important. You may believe this

is so, or not, or have no opinion. If this is so, it is so FOR

ANY CHELATION AGENT. This includes cilantro. Since I believe this

postulation is correct, I think that timing is important.

My concern with cilantro for your child would be with this aspect.

That is: we do not know how often cilantro needs to be given/taken.

As I said, I have personally experimented with it, but that is

no reason that you should do so! ALA is " easier " since it has

known timing (every 3 hours).

DMSA chelates lead.

I believe there are suggestions for removing antimony in the

FAQ and on Dana's metals page.

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

/files/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ

best,

Moria

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Hi marti,

I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA part with sauna. I

just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead.

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] Re:chlorella

In a message dated 25/2/03 9:02:26 pm, acfloe@... writes:

> I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on

> our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I

> respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy

> is.

> I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly

> building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well.

> Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury

> problem.

> Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing

> it.

> Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to

> cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. Any information

> would be hugely welcome.

>

Just to say that I understand chlorella will only chelate locally in the GI

tract. Now, that is not a bad thing, but it is not a comprehensive

chelation treatment. As for its efficacy on lead and antimony, I don't

know. DMSA has plenty of bad press, too, by the way, as do really all the

chelators. It's a matter of studying, reading, etc. My current favourite

is the IV glutathione fast push, but there's probably problems with that,too.

I haven't found them yet, but I'm sure I will eventually. Slow IV glut no

good. And the transdermal stuff or oral could provoke metals to move

without voiding them because the dosage is low. Oral will be mostly

inactivated in gut in any case. So sometimes it's not just the thing you

are using, but how you use it. DMSA tough on body, especially liver. ALA

hugely debated as a chelator. Chlorella ought to be grown under glass, and

yes there is the sulphur issue and how well sulphation is occuring in the

body, but that argument is certainly not limited to chlorella. Cilantro is

a total no-go because of terrible side effects.

I can't find anyone in the UK who does use the IV glut fast push, however.

Anybody out there in the UK who knows a doctor who administers fast push IV

glut?

Sorry, I can't be of more help.

marti

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In a message dated 26/2/03 6:50:03 am, dagmarjahr@... writes:

> Hi marti,

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> I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA part with

> sauna. I just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead.

>

>

Yikes, you are asking the wrong person. But there's a woman on the

autism-challenge list called Tina who seems to have a sauna going. You

might ask there. sorry!

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FYI: we bougt an infared sauna for our son 2 1/2 who hasn't thus far tolerated

DMSA well at at. He's been doing the sauna for 15 minutes a day for about 2

weeks. Now, this could be total coincidence---BUT, he's language has really

picked up, ALOT!! He's also been doing NAET in the same time frame (about 2

weeks), but only been cleared for eggs/chicken so I don't think that is the

reason.

Okay, Good luck

Jen

Re: [ ] Re:chlorella

In a message dated 26/2/03 6:50:03 am, dagmarjahr@... writes:

> Hi marti,

>

> I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA part with

> sauna. I just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead.

>

>

Yikes, you are asking the wrong person. But there's a woman on the

autism-challenge list called Tina who seems to have a sauna going. You

might ask there. sorry!

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Generally infrared suanas are a bad idea for lots of reasons.

Regular saunas work fine. Infrared saunas make a lot of people really

very sick, much worse than before.

To put it mildly, the promotional material for infrared saunas is

lacking in accuracy.

Andy .. . . . . . ..

> FYI: we bougt an infared sauna for our son 2 1/2 who hasn't thus far

tolerated DMSA well at at. He's been doing the sauna for 15 minutes a

day for about 2 weeks. Now, this could be total coincidence---BUT,

he's language has really picked up, ALOT!! He's also been doing NAET

in the same time frame (about 2 weeks), but only been cleared for

eggs/chicken so I don't think that is the reason.

Or it might be the reason and the IR sauna the ineffective treatment.

It isn't easy to sort these things out. I've certainly seen (and a

couple of times personally experienced) quite profound changes from a

single NAET treatment.

> Okay, Good luck

> Jen

> In a message dated 26/2/03 6:50:03 am, dagmarjahr@e... writes:

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>

> > Hi marti,

> >

> > I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA

part with

> > sauna. I just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead.

No. For lead, use DMSA or if you can't use that, EDTA. Contact me

privately for more info on the EDTA and where to get it if you need

to.

> Yikes, you are asking the wrong person. But there's a woman on

the

> autism-challenge list called Tina who seems to have a sauna going.

You

> might ask

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--- In , " Abbie Floe " <acfloe@b...>

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> I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using

chlorella on

> our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I

> respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little

boy is.

Then he is fine until you run into that inevitable bottle of chlorella

chock full of heavy metals and poison him to the gills with something

else. I have seen this kind of thing several times (as clearly

demonstrrated by before and after tests, too) and it is NOT pretty.

Chlorella is used because it absorbs heavy metals from the

environment. Well, it absorbs heavy metals from the environment! So

the chances of contamination, even with the world's best quality

control (which a few companies use and most don't) are still

substantial.

> I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now

(slowly

> building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and

well.

So try some other sulfur supplements and see if they do the same

thing.

> Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury

problem.

> Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without

realizing it.

> Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then

> move to cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain.

You obviously need a new practitioner who knows how to do what you

want instead of making your son worse by inappropriate therapy. It

doesn't matter how wonderfully nice the practitioner is, or how much

earlier interventions helped. Each of the available agents does

whatever it is going to do when given to your kid, and some of the

things are quite predictably bad, or are unpredictable with a really

dramatic potential downside.

>Any information would be hugely welcome.

Sulfury supplements to try are cysteine, NAC, eating lots of garlic or

dairy or onions or generally sulfury vegetables, eggs, and MSM.

Oral DMSA or oral EDTA (if and only if DMSA is not tolerated on

repeated trials) will do the lead and may help the antimony. ALA will

help the antimony, and methylating supplements like TMG, B-12 and

folic acid likely will as well.

>

> Abbie

Andy .

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> Then he is fine until you run into that inevitable bottle of

chlorella

> chock full of heavy metals and poison him to the gills with

something

> else. I have seen this kind of thing several times (as clearly

> demonstrrated by before and after tests, too) and it is NOT pretty.

>

> Chlorella is used because it absorbs heavy metals from the

> environment. Well, it absorbs heavy metals from the environment!

So

> the chances of contamination, even with the world's best quality

> control (which a few companies use and most don't) are still

> substantial.

-- Is the contamination the only problem, or is it possible that

chlorella could actualy carry mercury across the blood-brain barrier?

If so, are the risks of this happening greater than they would be

using ALA?

I don't have strong opinions on chlorella one way or the other, but I

am concerned that I haven't been able to find any case studies of

successful mercury detox using chlorella. Can anyone direct me to

some?

> Sulfury supplements to try are cysteine, NAC, eating lots of garlic

or

> dairy or onions or generally sulfury vegetables, eggs, and MSM.

-- For mercury-toxic people are there any drawbacks associated with

cysteine, MSM and NAC. I vaguely remeber reading that these could

bind weakly with the mercury shifting it around the body rather than

drawing it out.

If these are okay, what is the best one to start with?

Thanks.

Steve

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Chlorella messed me up big time. Its a single thiol meaning it loosens up

mercury but doesn't hold onto it long enough to get it out of the body.

> I'm not too hip on chlorella either. My son took it for a while and his

> bismuth on his hair analysis skyrocketed. In trying to contact the

> manufacturers, my questions concerning chlorella's bismuth content were

> ignored... We have seen no adverse effect in pulling chlorella.

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> Hi Has anyone used Chlorella for or as part of chelation?

A lot of people have tried this, and some of them have had

very disturbing regressions and/or new and very problematic

symptoms.

> My son is 4

> 1/2 44lbs what would be the proper dose? thanks!

I would suggest " none " as the dose. I personally stopped taking

a product that contains some chlorella for this reason. Too

bad, I liked the product, and it probably only has a little

chlorella.

good wishes,

Moria

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I'm not too hip on chlorella either. My son took it for a while and his

bismuth on his hair analysis skyrocketed. In trying to contact the

manufacturers, my questions concerning chlorella's bismuth content were

ignored... We have seen no adverse effect in pulling chlorella.

[ ] Re: Chlorella

> Hi Has anyone used Chlorella for or as part of chelation?

A lot of people have tried this, and some of them have had

very disturbing regressions and/or new and very problematic symptoms.

> My son is 4

> 1/2 44lbs what would be the proper dose? thanks!

I would suggest " none " as the dose. I personally stopped taking a

product that contains some chlorella for this reason. Too bad, I liked

the product, and it probably only has a little

chlorella.

good wishes,

Moria

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Did you try " Perfect Stool " ?

> My son did horribly when on Primal Defense. It was pointed out to me (after

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> we stopped the PD) that Primal Defense contains chlorella, and could have

> been

> the culprit.

> Debbie

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In a message dated 22/11/2003 13:09:59 GMT Standard Time,

jaci.warren@... writes:

> Is anyone able to give me any pros and cons on this product?

>

The cons I have read are that YES it does moves Mercury around, YEs it seems

to pass the blood brain barrier, NO we don;t how how to dose it or how often

or the mechansim by which it works. Many nasty stories regarding its use in

Autsim Mercury files. Something me and Willis agree to disagree on LOL. Wouldn;t

touch it with a barge pole FWIW

MAndi in UK

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I would be real careful around chlorella. It's one of hte ingredients in

Primal Defense, which did horrible things to my son, including hyperactivity,

irritibility, hypoglycemia and dilated pupils for the first time. I was told it

was likely the chlorella in the PD that caused the problem, as chlorella may

latch onto and move metals around without removing them from the body. I for

sure

will avoid chlorella for my son.

Debbie

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