Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 1.) In the studies I have seen on chlorella (about an 8 " stack), I have not seen any indication that the source of product used in the study was controlled for metal contamination. (Please, if anyone knows different, direct me to the studies.) 2.) In those cases, the observed activity of chlorella is compromised in regard to its effectiveness to remove metals from the tissues. (e.g. If the observation is made that metal is excreted, what is the source of the metal - tissue or chlorella?) 3.) Any chelating agent can redistribute metals in tissue to some extent. The competence of detox pathways and the strength of the biochemical bond between the chelator and the metal are only two of many issues that need to be considered to determine the possibility of that circumstance. 4.) I won't reject chlorella as a possible chelating agent. I just want to get some better data. Anyone? Here I will restate what I believe to be obvious and essential: CHELATION SHOULD NOT BE DONE UNLESS THE FUNCTIONS OF METABOLIC PATHWAYS HAVE BEEN ASSESSED AND CORRECTIVE INTERVENTION ATTEMPTED, WITH SUBSEQUENT FOLLOWUP OF CHANGES IN FUNCTIONAL METABOLIC PATHWAYS. IF THOROUGH, DILIGENT ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO IMPROVE PATHWAY FUNCTION WITHOUT SUCCESS (OR LIMITED SUCCESS), THEN, AND ONLY THEN, SHOULD CHELATION INTERVENTIONS BE ATTEMPTED BY A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL WITH DUE REGARD TO THE POTENTIAL HAZARDS OF DISRUPTING INDIGENOUS METABOLIC FUNCTIONS. Best wishes in your search for good health, R. Bassett, ND, PhD (877) 339-2444 Director of Research Direct Laboratory Services, Inc Carbon Based Corp. http://healthchoice.net http://bioreport.com http://directlab.com http://cellmatewellness.com At 10:51 AM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote: Dear , mt, Dr. Bassett, and others, Okay, please stay with me here: ------------------------------------------------------------------ <<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in part:>> > > Regarding > > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems with > > it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- <<then mt said, in part:>> > Would you give more details on what kind of problems it may cause? What if I > use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin C? -------------------------------------------------------------------- <<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>> " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " -------------------------------------------------------------------- <<finally, Devlin said, in part:>> Jumping in here... I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his previous post Re: Alternative methods for Detox I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy metals, and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy metals in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming more metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay, are you all with me?? ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have a decent quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him about this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting his view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella are more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I am not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on. Ask him about it if you want to know. HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone wants the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who were doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure), who then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that the reason they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to the people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella that several people had all read and started taking it, around the same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders. Hal Huggins goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why the chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the stuff?? is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction?? As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in this book.) mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points to merc toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very serious mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what Huggins said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking about regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning. , I made the same inference as you (from Dr. Bassett's comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the problem. Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella or clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both, it seems like a good thing to steer clear of. best regards, Moria Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 I've never seen any evidence chlorella removes mercury. I have seen lots of speculation based on not understanding adequate chemistry to realize it should not. I have seen people's hair and urine analyses while using chlorella. None had reduction in toxic load. Some have, however, suddenly shown up with a NEW toxin that they didn't have any other potential source of exposure to than the chlorella. Andy > >Dear , mt, Dr. Bassett, and others, > > > >Okay, please stay with me here: > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > ><<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in part:>> > > > > Regarding > > > > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems with > > > > it. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ><<then mt said, in part:>> > > > Would you give more details on what kind of problems it may cause? > >What if I > > > use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin C? > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ><<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>> > > " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe > >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella > >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ><<finally, Devlin said, in part:>> > >Jumping in here... > > > >I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his previous > >post Re: Alternative methods for Detox > > > >I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe > >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella > >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " > > > >So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy metals, > >and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy metals > >in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming more > >metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Okay, are you all with me?? > > > >ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the > >brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have a decent > >quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him about > >this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting his > >view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella are > >more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I am > >not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on. Ask > >him about it if you want to know. > > > >HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone wants > >the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who were > >doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure), who > >then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that the reason > >they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to the > >people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella that > >several people had all read and started taking it, around the > >same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders. Hal Huggins > >goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why the > >chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the stuff?? > >is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction?? > >As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in > >this book.) > > > >mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points to merc > >toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very serious > >mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what Huggins > >said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking about > >regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning. > > > >, I made the same inference as you (from Dr. Bassett's > >comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the problem. > > > >Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella or > >clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both, > >it seems like a good thing to steer clear of. > > > >best regards, > >Moria > > > > > > > > > >Sponsor<http://rd./M=176325.1320063.2911715.1252795/D=egroup mail/S=1700061616:N/A=590891/?http://domains./> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 I've just read an article in the Feb/Mar Townsend on chlorella that is well referenced. It suggests nothing about chlorella's metal detox capability. Other experts I have consulted tell me there are no studies establishing this as a benefit of chlorella. Dr. B. At 07:21 PM 2/21/01 +0000, you wrote: I've never seen any evidence chlorella removes mercury. I have seen lots of speculation based on not understanding adequate chemistry to realize it should not. I have seen people's hair and urine analyses while using chlorella. None had reduction in toxic load. Some have, however, suddenly shown up with a NEW toxin that they didn't have any other potential source of exposure to than the chlorella. Andy > >Dear , mt, Dr. Bassett, and others, > > > >Okay, please stay with me here: > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > ><<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in part:>> > > > > Regarding > > > > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems with > > > > it. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ><<then mt said, in part:>> > > > Would you give more details on what kind of problems it may cause? > >What if I > > > use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin C? > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ><<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>> > > " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe > >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella > >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ><<finally, Devlin said, in part:>> > >Jumping in here... > > > >I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his previous > >post Re: Alternative methods for Detox > > > >I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe > >misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella > >verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " > > > >So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy metals, > >and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy metals > >in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming more > >metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Okay, are you all with me?? > > > >ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the > >brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have a decent > >quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him about > >this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting his > >view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella are > >more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I am > >not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on. Ask > >him about it if you want to know. > > > >HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone wants > >the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who were > >doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure), who > >then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that the reason > >they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to the > >people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella that > >several people had all read and started taking it, around the > >same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders. Hal Huggins > >goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why the > >chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the stuff?? > >is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction?? > >As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in > >this book.) > > > >mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points to merc > >toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very serious > >mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what Huggins > >said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking about > >regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning. > > > >, I made the same inference as you (from Dr. Bassett's > >comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the problem. > > > >Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella or > >clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both, > >it seems like a good thing to steer clear of. > > > >best regards, > >Moria > > > > > > > > > >Sponsor<http://rd./M=176325.1320063.2911715.1252795/D=egroup mail/S=1700061616:N/A=590891/?http://domains./> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Moria, I have a conference audio tape by a partner(?) of Dietrich Klinghardt, M.D., Ph.D who talked about using garlic and chlorella and then later use cilantro to detox mercury with great success. They have a web site at http://www.neuraltherapy.com/, but I don't know if they listed such information there. mt Merriweather wrote: > Dear , mt, Dr. Bassett, and others, > > Okay, please stay with me here: > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > <<first, I, Moria Merriweather, said, in part:>> > > > Regarding > > > chlorella, both Andy and Hal Huggins report problems with > > > it. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > <<then mt said, in part:>> > > Would you give more details on what kind of problems it may cause? > What if I > > use it along with garlic, cilantro, and vitamin C? > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > <<then Dr. Bassett said, in part:>> > " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe > misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella > verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > <<finally, Devlin said, in part:>> > Jumping in here... > > I believe that Dr. Bassett pointed out the problem in his previous > post Re: Alternative methods for Detox > > I'll quote: " The recommendation for chlorella, is, I believe > misplaced. If anyone knows of a heavy metal free chlorella > verified by assay, I would be interested in hearing about it.) " > > So the problem is, I think, that chlorella does absorb heavy metals, > and since it is harvested in open waters, it already has heavy metals > in it. So by taking chlorella, you are actually consuming more > metals? (Someone chime in and confirm this.) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Okay, are you all with me?? > > ANDY believes that cholrella causes mercury to move to the > brain/CNS from other body tissues. I don't believe I have a decent > quote of him to insert here on this.... but I've asked him about > this in some detail, and I believe I am not misrepresenting his > view. He thinks the VERY NEGATIVE reactions to chlorella are > more than could be caused by merc in the chlorella itself. I am > not trying to represent the evidence his idea is based on. Ask > him about it if you want to know. > > HAL HUGGINS, in one of his books (I'll go find it if someone wants > the page ref) talks about having seen a number of people who were > doing well and making progress (doing chelation??? not sure), who > then took cholrella and had big backslides. He notes that the reason > they figured out it was the cholrella is that they talked to the > people, and there had been a recent article about chlorella that > several people had all read and started taking it, around the > same time. So they had a whole rash of backsliders. Hal Huggins > goes on for a few paragraphs or so SPECULATING about why the > chlorella has a bad effect..... is it mercury in the stuff?? > is it moving merc in the body?? is it some other reaction?? > As far as I see, he does not conclude anything (at least in > this book.) > > mt: the " kind " of problems would be stuff that points to merc > toxicity. Andy told me about at least 2 cases with very serious > mental-illness effects..... I'd have to look up what Huggins > said about WHAT symptoms, but he was generally talking about > regression relative to overt symptoms of merc poisoning. > > , I made the same inference as you (from Dr. Bassett's > comments) that he thinks mercury IN the cholrella is the problem. > > Regardless of whether it is due to mercury IN the chlorella or > clorella moving merc around that is in the body, or both, > it seems like a good thing to steer clear of. > > best regards, > Moria > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 I copied this from a web site http://www.neuraltherapy.com/a_mercury_detox.asp It did mention chlorella pyreneidosa. Just like to share what I found. mt 4. transdermal cilantro challenge/Jerome mercury breath analyzer the author has developed a transdermal solution of the natural herb cilantro. This solution can be applied to joints and skin areas suspected of being Hg storage sites. The breath is tested for Hg content before application of the solution and 1 min. 2 min and 5 min after. If the breath level of exhaled Hg increases significantly, compartmentalized Hg has been detected and mobilized. 5. DMSA challenge DMSA is behaving more unpredictably and chaotically and crosses the blood brain barrier sooner. Whatever is mobilized with DMSA, we cannot conclude with reasonable accuracy where the Hg came from. All we can say is, that it is inthere somewhere. If the patient had a fish meal within 72 hours, the yield will be high. If the patient is chronically constipated, this time can be as long as 3 weeks. DMSA is believed to be superior to DMPS in its ability to mobilize organic mercury (Hg ++), especially methylmercury. A clinical tip: if a patient does not do well with DMSA, increase the dose or continue giving it, until the detox symptoms subside. 6. D-Penicillamine D-Pen is excellent for mobilizing Hg intracellularly. High values on the D-Pen challenge suggest high intracellular Hg levels. 7. Selective mobilization of Hg from the gut 3 effective agents are available: chlorella pyreneidosa chitin and chitosan activated charcoal 8. Selective mobilization from the skin: Sauna Therapy Can be very effective! Removes Hg from the skin. Levels can be tested with sweat test. Far infrared saunas also mobilize Hg in deeper tissues (3 " down). Avoid re-uptake by the lungs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 > > Does chlorella help with constipation? I'd only heard about it as a > blood > cleanser. > The doctors & dentists around here promote it as a chelator. > I haven't done much research on it, and don't have an opinion on that, > except I did find papers on it chelating mercury out of mine wastes > extremely well. But they say drink lots of water and do what you need > to do to avoid constipation, prunes, fruit, commercial fiber preps, > etc. Whatever works for you. > Bernie Chlorella is probably at least mildly effective as a chelator because it sure picks up a lot of mercury from the environment. Locally available (Portland, OR) chlorella has between some and lots of mercury when I had it assayed. I imagine it depends a lot on where it is grown - the more mercury in the growing environment, the more mercury in the chlorella. Personally, I don't think it's worth the risk. Jim Laidler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 " R. Laidler, MD " wrote: > > > > > Does chlorella help with constipation? I'd only heard about it as a > > blood > > cleanser. > > The doctors & dentists around here promote it as a > chelator. > > I haven't done much research on it, and don't have an opinion on > that, > > except I did find papers on it chelating mercury out of mine wastes > > extremely well. But they say drink lots of water and do what you > need > > to do to avoid constipation, prunes, fruit, commercial fiber preps, > > etc. Whatever works for you. > > Bernie > > Chlorella is probably at least mildly effective as a chelator because > it sure picks up a lot of mercury from the environment. Locally > available (Portland, OR) chlorella has between some and lots of > mercury when I had it assayed. I imagine it depends a lot on where it > is grown - the more mercury in the growing environment, the more > mercury in the chlorella. Sun Chlorella grow in a controlled water, not wild. I guess it would be useful to find out if they can provide a test report on it. mt > Personally, I don't think it's worth the > risk. > > Jim Laidler > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 But that's not all. Sun Chlorella®is grown in pure, clean water, free from toxins and contaminants. It is 100% pure and natural with nothing added and nothing lost. After 25 years of testing and after pouring countless millions of dollars into research and development, Sun Chlorella® boasts the industry's highest quality contro I copied this from Sun chlorella's web site. http://www.sunchlorellausa.com/archives5.htm I am asking for their lab report on this. Has anyone looked into this product? I have no connection with them. mt Moria Merriweather wrote: > Andy, > > What " new toxin " are you referring to?? > Thanks! > Moria > > RESPONDING TO: > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:21:46 -0000 > From: AndyCutler@... > Subject: Re: chlorella > > I've never seen any evidence chlorella removes mercury. > > I have seen lots of speculation based on not understanding adequate > chemistry to realize it should not. > > I have seen people's hair and urine analyses while using chlorella. > None had reduction in toxic load. Some have, however, suddenly shown > up with a NEW toxin that they didn't have any other potential source > of exposure to than the chlorella. > > Andy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Those who know a bit of biochemistry are aware that humans and indeed all life have a lot more thiol groups in them than the natural environment. Thus chlorella out-competes the environment for mercury, but only stirs it around the human body without promoting excretion. The proper comparison is not between chlorella and a rock or seawater, which are not good models of the human body, but between chlorella and a pork chop. Anybody have data on whether chlorella detoxes pork chops? That's a lot more relevant than anything I've ever heard cited. Unfortunately we chemists did not discharge our moral obligation to not give poor grades pre-meds who didn't learn their freshman and sophomore chemistry. Thus myths like the utility of chlorella, glutathione, NAC, cysteine, etc. as detox agents continue to propagate and hurt people. Andy > > > > Does chlorella help with constipation? I'd only heard about it as a > > blood > > cleanser. > > The doctors & dentists around here promote it as a > chelator. > > I haven't done much research on it, and don't have an opinion on > that, > > except I did find papers on it chelating mercury out of mine wastes > > extremely well. But they say drink lots of water and do what you > need > > to do to avoid constipation, prunes, fruit, commercial fiber preps, > > etc. Whatever works for you. > > Bernie > > Chlorella is probably at least mildly effective as a chelator because > it sure picks up a lot of mercury from the environment. Locally > available (Portland, OR) chlorella has between some and lots of > mercury when I had it assayed. I imagine it depends a lot on where it > is grown - the more mercury in the growing environment, the more > mercury in the chlorella. Personally, I don't think it's worth the > risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 In a message dated 25/2/03 9:02:26 pm, acfloe@... writes: > I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on > our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I > respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy > is. > I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly > building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well. > Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury > problem. > Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing > it. > Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to > cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. Any information > would be hugely welcome. > Just to say that I understand chlorella will only chelate locally in the GI tract. Now, that is not a bad thing, but it is not a comprehensive chelation treatment. As for its efficacy on lead and antimony, I don't know. DMSA has plenty of bad press, too, by the way, as do really all the chelators. It's a matter of studying, reading, etc. My current favourite is the IV glutathione fast push, but there's probably problems with that,too. I haven't found them yet, but I'm sure I will eventually. Slow IV glut no good. And the transdermal stuff or oral could provoke metals to move without voiding them because the dosage is low. Oral will be mostly inactivated in gut in any case. So sometimes it's not just the thing you are using, but how you use it. DMSA tough on body, especially liver. ALA hugely debated as a chelator. Chlorella ought to be grown under glass, and yes there is the sulphur issue and how well sulphation is occuring in the body, but that argument is certainly not limited to chlorella. Cilantro is a total no-go because of terrible side effects. I can't find anyone in the UK who does use the IV glut fast push, however. Anybody out there in the UK who knows a doctor who administers fast push IV glut? Sorry, I can't be of more help. marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy is. I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well. Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury problem. Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing it. Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. Any information would be hugely welcome. Abbie [ ] Digest Number 3533 > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 > > I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on > > our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. Andy believes that chlorella moves mercury to the brain. This is just plain dangerous. He believes this based on the VERE SEVERE of negative reactions he has seen. Hal Huggins also reports negative reactions to chlorella. Some people speculate that chlorella draws (contains) mercury and that is the " problem " . Andy thinks some negative reactions he has seen are simply too extreme to be caused by the amount of mercury that could be contained in chlorella, thus he theorizes that is may move mercury to the brain. But may I > > respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy > > is. you could use sulfury supplements, such as NAC. > > I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly > > building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well. well, that is certainly very nice > > Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury > > problem. um, no mercury problem based on counting rules? or hair level of mercury? or ??? > > Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing > > it. > > Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to > > cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. Any information > > would be hugely welcome. are you also asking about cilantro here? I suspect that cilantro is a chelation agent, and I have personally experimented with it. But let's back up: Andy postulates that keeping chelation going on STEADILY (for days) is critically important. You may believe this is so, or not, or have no opinion. If this is so, it is so FOR ANY CHELATION AGENT. This includes cilantro. Since I believe this postulation is correct, I think that timing is important. My concern with cilantro for your child would be with this aspect. That is: we do not know how often cilantro needs to be given/taken. As I said, I have personally experimented with it, but that is no reason that you should do so! ALA is " easier " since it has known timing (every 3 hours). DMSA chelates lead. I believe there are suggestions for removing antimony in the FAQ and on Dana's metals page. http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm /files/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ best, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Hi marti, I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA part with sauna. I just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead. Dagmar. Re: [ ] Re:chlorella In a message dated 25/2/03 9:02:26 pm, acfloe@... writes: > I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on > our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I > respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy > is. > I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly > building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well. > Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury > problem. > Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing > it. > Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then move to > cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. Any information > would be hugely welcome. > Just to say that I understand chlorella will only chelate locally in the GI tract. Now, that is not a bad thing, but it is not a comprehensive chelation treatment. As for its efficacy on lead and antimony, I don't know. DMSA has plenty of bad press, too, by the way, as do really all the chelators. It's a matter of studying, reading, etc. My current favourite is the IV glutathione fast push, but there's probably problems with that,too. I haven't found them yet, but I'm sure I will eventually. Slow IV glut no good. And the transdermal stuff or oral could provoke metals to move without voiding them because the dosage is low. Oral will be mostly inactivated in gut in any case. So sometimes it's not just the thing you are using, but how you use it. DMSA tough on body, especially liver. ALA hugely debated as a chelator. Chlorella ought to be grown under glass, and yes there is the sulphur issue and how well sulphation is occuring in the body, but that argument is certainly not limited to chlorella. Cilantro is a total no-go because of terrible side effects. I can't find anyone in the UK who does use the IV glut fast push, however. Anybody out there in the UK who knows a doctor who administers fast push IV glut? Sorry, I can't be of more help. marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 In a message dated 26/2/03 6:50:03 am, dagmarjahr@... writes: > Hi marti, > > I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA part with > sauna. I just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead. > > Yikes, you are asking the wrong person. But there's a woman on the autism-challenge list called Tina who seems to have a sauna going. You might ask there. sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 FYI: we bougt an infared sauna for our son 2 1/2 who hasn't thus far tolerated DMSA well at at. He's been doing the sauna for 15 minutes a day for about 2 weeks. Now, this could be total coincidence---BUT, he's language has really picked up, ALOT!! He's also been doing NAET in the same time frame (about 2 weeks), but only been cleared for eggs/chicken so I don't think that is the reason. Okay, Good luck Jen Re: [ ] Re:chlorella In a message dated 26/2/03 6:50:03 am, dagmarjahr@... writes: > Hi marti, > > I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA part with > sauna. I just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead. > > Yikes, you are asking the wrong person. But there's a woman on the autism-challenge list called Tina who seems to have a sauna going. You might ask there. sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Generally infrared suanas are a bad idea for lots of reasons. Regular saunas work fine. Infrared saunas make a lot of people really very sick, much worse than before. To put it mildly, the promotional material for infrared saunas is lacking in accuracy. Andy .. . . . . . .. > FYI: we bougt an infared sauna for our son 2 1/2 who hasn't thus far tolerated DMSA well at at. He's been doing the sauna for 15 minutes a day for about 2 weeks. Now, this could be total coincidence---BUT, he's language has really picked up, ALOT!! He's also been doing NAET in the same time frame (about 2 weeks), but only been cleared for eggs/chicken so I don't think that is the reason. Or it might be the reason and the IR sauna the ineffective treatment. It isn't easy to sort these things out. I've certainly seen (and a couple of times personally experienced) quite profound changes from a single NAET treatment. > Okay, Good luck > Jen > In a message dated 26/2/03 6:50:03 am, dagmarjahr@e... writes: > > > > Hi marti, > > > > I am using ALA and DMSA, but considering to replace the DMSA part with > > sauna. I just don't know yet, whether sauna will detoxify lead. No. For lead, use DMSA or if you can't use that, EDTA. Contact me privately for more info on the EDTA and where to get it if you need to. > Yikes, you are asking the wrong person. But there's a woman on the > autism-challenge list called Tina who seems to have a sauna going. You > might ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 --- In , " Abbie Floe " <acfloe@b...> wrote: > I've just read Andy's archived comments on the dangers of using chlorella on > our children, particularily those who are high in sulphur. But may I > respectfully ask what if your child is LOW in sulphur, as our little boy is. Then he is fine until you run into that inevitable bottle of chlorella chock full of heavy metals and poison him to the gills with something else. I have seen this kind of thing several times (as clearly demonstrrated by before and after tests, too) and it is NOT pretty. Chlorella is used because it absorbs heavy metals from the environment. Well, it absorbs heavy metals from the environment! So the chances of contamination, even with the world's best quality control (which a few companies use and most don't) are still substantial. > I'm concerned because he has been on chlorella for a week now (slowly > building up to 1/2 to 1 teasp daily) and SEEMS much more chatty and well. So try some other sulfur supplements and see if they do the same thing. > Our little boy has moderate lead and antimony, seemingly no mercury problem. > Obviously I don't want to unwittingly create a problem without realizing it. > Our practioner's plan is to detox the blood over time and then > move to cilantro to start moving the metals out from the brain. You obviously need a new practitioner who knows how to do what you want instead of making your son worse by inappropriate therapy. It doesn't matter how wonderfully nice the practitioner is, or how much earlier interventions helped. Each of the available agents does whatever it is going to do when given to your kid, and some of the things are quite predictably bad, or are unpredictable with a really dramatic potential downside. >Any information would be hugely welcome. Sulfury supplements to try are cysteine, NAC, eating lots of garlic or dairy or onions or generally sulfury vegetables, eggs, and MSM. Oral DMSA or oral EDTA (if and only if DMSA is not tolerated on repeated trials) will do the lead and may help the antimony. ALA will help the antimony, and methylating supplements like TMG, B-12 and folic acid likely will as well. > > Abbie Andy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 > Then he is fine until you run into that inevitable bottle of chlorella > chock full of heavy metals and poison him to the gills with something > else. I have seen this kind of thing several times (as clearly > demonstrrated by before and after tests, too) and it is NOT pretty. > > Chlorella is used because it absorbs heavy metals from the > environment. Well, it absorbs heavy metals from the environment! So > the chances of contamination, even with the world's best quality > control (which a few companies use and most don't) are still > substantial. -- Is the contamination the only problem, or is it possible that chlorella could actualy carry mercury across the blood-brain barrier? If so, are the risks of this happening greater than they would be using ALA? I don't have strong opinions on chlorella one way or the other, but I am concerned that I haven't been able to find any case studies of successful mercury detox using chlorella. Can anyone direct me to some? > Sulfury supplements to try are cysteine, NAC, eating lots of garlic or > dairy or onions or generally sulfury vegetables, eggs, and MSM. -- For mercury-toxic people are there any drawbacks associated with cysteine, MSM and NAC. I vaguely remeber reading that these could bind weakly with the mercury shifting it around the body rather than drawing it out. If these are okay, what is the best one to start with? Thanks. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 My son did horribly when on Primal Defense. It was pointed out to me (after we stopped the PD) that Primal Defense contains chlorella, and could have been the culprit. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 Chlorella messed me up big time. Its a single thiol meaning it loosens up mercury but doesn't hold onto it long enough to get it out of the body. > I'm not too hip on chlorella either. My son took it for a while and his > bismuth on his hair analysis skyrocketed. In trying to contact the > manufacturers, my questions concerning chlorella's bismuth content were > ignored... We have seen no adverse effect in pulling chlorella. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 > Hi Has anyone used Chlorella for or as part of chelation? A lot of people have tried this, and some of them have had very disturbing regressions and/or new and very problematic symptoms. > My son is 4 > 1/2 44lbs what would be the proper dose? thanks! I would suggest " none " as the dose. I personally stopped taking a product that contains some chlorella for this reason. Too bad, I liked the product, and it probably only has a little chlorella. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 I'm not too hip on chlorella either. My son took it for a while and his bismuth on his hair analysis skyrocketed. In trying to contact the manufacturers, my questions concerning chlorella's bismuth content were ignored... We have seen no adverse effect in pulling chlorella. [ ] Re: Chlorella > Hi Has anyone used Chlorella for or as part of chelation? A lot of people have tried this, and some of them have had very disturbing regressions and/or new and very problematic symptoms. > My son is 4 > 1/2 44lbs what would be the proper dose? thanks! I would suggest " none " as the dose. I personally stopped taking a product that contains some chlorella for this reason. Too bad, I liked the product, and it probably only has a little chlorella. good wishes, Moria ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 Did you try " Perfect Stool " ? > My son did horribly when on Primal Defense. It was pointed out to me (after > > we stopped the PD) that Primal Defense contains chlorella, and could have > been > the culprit. > Debbie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 In a message dated 22/11/2003 13:09:59 GMT Standard Time, jaci.warren@... writes: > Is anyone able to give me any pros and cons on this product? > The cons I have read are that YES it does moves Mercury around, YEs it seems to pass the blood brain barrier, NO we don;t how how to dose it or how often or the mechansim by which it works. Many nasty stories regarding its use in Autsim Mercury files. Something me and Willis agree to disagree on LOL. Wouldn;t touch it with a barge pole FWIW MAndi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I would be real careful around chlorella. It's one of hte ingredients in Primal Defense, which did horrible things to my son, including hyperactivity, irritibility, hypoglycemia and dilated pupils for the first time. I was told it was likely the chlorella in the PD that caused the problem, as chlorella may latch onto and move metals around without removing them from the body. I for sure will avoid chlorella for my son. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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