Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 It is Brad. Just as saw palmetto is great for women endocrine issues or Dong guai (in the formula) as a warming liver herb for males. However good for men with the same liver/blood stagnation issues, depending on the individual and the exact imbalances there is usually something more appropriate. This is an old standard Chinese patent medicine which is great for a few, good for most, and ineffective for some. Well worth the try. All the best, -Dave Free and Easy Wanderer > > > > Ellen, > I am sorry to hear how you have been feeling. It reminds me of how I > used to be, a feeling like drowning. Like teatering on a precipice, > not wanting to fall over the edge but hardly a hope for staying on > top. Its is a terrifying situation to find oneself. > > I am not the LLMD you are seeking but I think I can get you pointed > in the right direction. > > For now, don't bother trying to kill off bacteria with antibiotics, > rife, or any other method. Its sounds pretty clear you are unable to > eliminate the wave of toxins that are produced and it will only > further weaken you, resulting in an even better environment within > your body for bacteria to thrive. > > Focus on Detoxing. As you know there are a million ways to detox. > Some are better and some are worse. What I recommend is a coffee > enema. I don't care if the idea of putting coffee in your back side > freaks you out. The way I see it, you don't have many other options. > Coffee enemas are a great way of kick starting your liver. You will > feel much better then you do now in about 15 minutes! > > I urge you to do coffee enemas regularly for a while. Every day > until you get your toxic load down, and then wean off of them from > there. > > You are probably wondering why you shouldn't be attacking the > bacteria at this point. If you work on opening up your channels of > elimination, specifically Liver, Kidneys, and colon, your body will > be much cleaner and the bacteria will start to die by itself. It > simply cannot survive in a body that is free of toxins. Remember > that the neurotoxins are immunosuppressive. If you keep your levels > of toxins low then your immune system will jump back in the fight. > > Also, begin using the supplement " Free and Easy Wanderer " . It is the > BEST liver herbal formula i've found. It is POWERFUL! Start out > slow. A couple small pills a day. You will notice the effects right > away. This supplement will help you detox and repair your liver, but > will also kill off the infection in your liver causing herxes. Once > you have used this supplement for a while your liver will be ready to > handle the more aggressive lyme killing treatments. > > For your adrenals I urge you to try the formula " Golden Book " . It is > great for the adrenals. This herb works much the same way as the > liver herbs, begin very slowly, it will cause a herx but will > completely restore your adrenals and Kidneys. > > As I have mentioned before, I returned from the brink, similar to the > situation you find yourself in, and I did it by using these two > herbal formulas. They very well saved my life. I think in the early > phases of Lyme treatment there is too much of an emphasis > on " killing " the infection. We should not underestimate the power of > our own immune system. All we need to do is support our bodies > process of eliminating the toxins, it knows how to do the rest. Once > you have stabilized your health then it is a good idea to start > attacking the infection with anitbiotics and rife, but until then > just support Ellens body. All you need to do is give it the tools it > needs for the job, and keep hauling out the trash. > I beg you to try those two herbal formulas for three months. Like I > said they will make you herx, but you will intuitively know you are > going down the right path. > > Here are links for the supplements I suggested > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>> rthchineseherbs. com/xiao- yao-wan-free- easy- > wanderer-p-32. html > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>> rthchineseherbs. com/jin-kui- shen-qi-wan- teapills- p- > 35.html > > I wish you the very best Ellen, I KNOW you will get better. > > Thane in MN > > http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelesshe\ rbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasy\ WandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html\ >> > > Posted by: " thane17 " thane17@...<mailto:thane17%40> thane17 > > Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:13 am (PST) > > I used to herx really hard from nearly anything. Five minutes in a > Sauna would cause me to herx so hard I could hardly walk out of there > and would be sick for a week. Glyconutrients were out of the question > and a couple squirts of silver would tempt me to leap off a bridge. > Then I focused on improving my Liver and kidney function with chinese > herbs and now I seem to handle the herxes much better. I have a > feeling that most of us lymies are not prioritizing our > detoxification organs enough. I think early on detoxification should > be almost more important than the actually antibacterial methods, and > then as we get better the emphasis should be more on finding a way to > kill the last bugs still hanging around. > > " Free and Easy Wanderer " is great for liver detoxification. I > recomend it for everyone. Its like several coffee enemas every day > but also has the materials to heal the liver as well. I made a little > video about it at http://www.youtube.<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtub\ e./>> com/watch? v=72b3FWW2aII > Sorry if i've posted this link already, can't remember. Its just been > such a helpful herb for me that I want the world to know about it. It > offers a way to herx the liver while leaving most of the rest of the > body alone. I don't know of any other remedy that can offer that. > > Long before I learned I had lyme I discovered that I was really > toxic. I had no idea what was causing it but I felt better after > doing cleanses like liver flush and enemas and so I stuck with it. I > was very sick and had nearly lost my ability to take care of myself > at all. My mind was nearly gone. I improved 50% without a single > antibiotic therapy but only using detoxification and nutritional > support. > > My theory is, if we can find supportive therapies that cause a herx, > then we should focus on those and run with them as long as we can > before hitting the rife and other therapies. Because treating lyme > is so hard on our bodies I think our best approach might be to focus > entirely on preparing our bodies for the hard treatment ahead in > every way possible. Then when we have cleared our liver, > strengthened our Kidneys, got our bowels moving as they should, and > corrected any nutritional deficiencies, then and only then should we > proceed to killing off bacteria. I do realize there are exceptions to > this though. > > Since I didn't know what was wrong with me I continued a long time > with the detoxification and I suspect that now that I'm treating > Lyme, I will be able to handle the herxes much better than I would > have otherwise and possibly accelerate my healing. I guess we will > see though, the jury is still out. I just wonder if many people > suffering with Lyme disease enter their treatment with decent > detoxification abilities but they soon become clogged and bogged down > with toxins and halfway through their treatment they find themselves > in a stalemate with the bacteria. They're still killing the bacteria > but their bodies have become so weak that it has become a good > environment for the bacteria to live. > > I apologize if my post is a bit disorganized. I'm in a pretty > intense battle with my lyme brain. > Thane MN > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Might not be bad but probably a bit warm for Hep c. the 2 great standouts for hep C are Bupluerum and phylanthus nururi (bhumy amalaki, chancha peidra, thoroughwax, etc). Both have been shown to increase the bodies production of interferon. Interferon injected exogenously from the outside of the body is very, very, destructive. Will it lower viral count? Absolutely. Will it trash the " immune system? Most definitely. Stimulating the body's own production is just fine. I forget the Japanese name for bupluerum but they have been making and studying a patent medicine for 15 years from it with great success with hep C. I deal with many cases of hep C all the time. While a skewed demographic, most had some type of blood test for a physical or something with no symptoms, were herded into interferon therapy, and then everything went down hill. VERY, VERY, doable situation following a natural nurturing approach. Modern medicine has nothing to offer hep C except for severe late term cases and in those only a bit of time. This is one of the most beatable of the dangerous diseases. Always, in all ways, -Dave Free and Easy Wanderer > > > > Ellen, > I am sorry to hear how you have been feeling. It reminds me of how I > used to be, a feeling like drowning. Like teatering on a precipice, > not wanting to fall over the edge but hardly a hope for staying on > top. Its is a terrifying situation to find oneself. > > I am not the LLMD you are seeking but I think I can get you pointed > in the right direction. > > For now, don't bother trying to kill off bacteria with antibiotics, > rife, or any other method. Its sounds pretty clear you are unable to > eliminate the wave of toxins that are produced and it will only > further weaken you, resulting in an even better environment within > your body for bacteria to thrive. > > Focus on Detoxing. As you know there are a million ways to detox. > Some are better and some are worse. What I recommend is a coffee > enema. I don't care if the idea of putting coffee in your back side > freaks you out. The way I see it, you don't have many other options. > Coffee enemas are a great way of kick starting your liver. You will > feel much better then you do now in about 15 minutes! > > I urge you to do coffee enemas regularly for a while. Every day > until you get your toxic load down, and then wean off of them from > there. > > You are probably wondering why you shouldn't be attacking the > bacteria at this point. If you work on opening up your channels of > elimination, specifically Liver, Kidneys, and colon, your body will > be much cleaner and the bacteria will start to die by itself. It > simply cannot survive in a body that is free of toxins. Remember > that the neurotoxins are immunosuppressive. If you keep your levels > of toxins low then your immune system will jump back in the fight. > > Also, begin using the supplement " Free and Easy Wanderer " . It is the > BEST liver herbal formula i've found. It is POWERFUL! Start out > slow. A couple small pills a day. You will notice the effects right > away. This supplement will help you detox and repair your liver, but > will also kill off the infection in your liver causing herxes. Once > you have used this supplement for a while your liver will be ready to > handle the more aggressive lyme killing treatments. > > For your adrenals I urge you to try the formula " Golden Book " . It is > great for the adrenals. This herb works much the same way as the > liver herbs, begin very slowly, it will cause a herx but will > completely restore your adrenals and Kidneys. > > As I have mentioned before, I returned from the brink, similar to the > situation you find yourself in, and I did it by using these two > herbal formulas. They very well saved my life. I think in the early > phases of Lyme treatment there is too much of an emphasis > on " killing " the infection. We should not underestimate the power of > our own immune system. All we need to do is support our bodies > process of eliminating the toxins, it knows how to do the rest. Once > you have stabilized your health then it is a good idea to start > attacking the infection with anitbiotics and rife, but until then > just support Ellens body. All you need to do is give it the tools it > needs for the job, and keep hauling out the trash. > I beg you to try those two herbal formulas for three months. Like I > said they will make you herx, but you will intuitively know you are > going down the right path. > > Here are links for the supplements I suggested > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>> rthchineseherbs. com/xiao- yao-wan-free- easy- > wanderer-p-32. html > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>> rthchineseherbs. com/jin-kui- shen-qi-wan- teapills- p- > 35.html > > I wish you the very best Ellen, I KNOW you will get better. > > Thane in MN > > http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelesshe\ rbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasy\ WandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html\ >> > > Posted by: " thane17 " thane17@...<mailto:thane17%40> thane17 > > Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:13 am (PST) > > I used to herx really hard from nearly anything. Five minutes in a > Sauna would cause me to herx so hard I could hardly walk out of there > and would be sick for a week. Glyconutrients were out of the question > and a couple squirts of silver would tempt me to leap off a bridge. > Then I focused on improving my Liver and kidney function with chinese > herbs and now I seem to handle the herxes much better. I have a > feeling that most of us lymies are not prioritizing our > detoxification organs enough. I think early on detoxification should > be almost more important than the actually antibacterial methods, and > then as we get better the emphasis should be more on finding a way to > kill the last bugs still hanging around. > > " Free and Easy Wanderer " is great for liver detoxification. I > recomend it for everyone. Its like several coffee enemas every day > but also has the materials to heal the liver as well. I made a little > video about it at http://www.youtube.<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtub\ e./>> com/watch? v=72b3FWW2aII > Sorry if i've posted this link already, can't remember. Its just been > such a helpful herb for me that I want the world to know about it. It > offers a way to herx the liver while leaving most of the rest of the > body alone. I don't know of any other remedy that can offer that. > > Long before I learned I had lyme I discovered that I was really > toxic. I had no idea what was causing it but I felt better after > doing cleanses like liver flush and enemas and so I stuck with it. I > was very sick and had nearly lost my ability to take care of myself > at all. My mind was nearly gone. I improved 50% without a single > antibiotic therapy but only using detoxification and nutritional > support. > > My theory is, if we can find supportive therapies that cause a herx, > then we should focus on those and run with them as long as we can > before hitting the rife and other therapies. Because treating lyme > is so hard on our bodies I think our best approach might be to focus > entirely on preparing our bodies for the hard treatment ahead in > every way possible. Then when we have cleared our liver, > strengthened our Kidneys, got our bowels moving as they should, and > corrected any nutritional deficiencies, then and only then should we > proceed to killing off bacteria. I do realize there are exceptions to > this though. > > Since I didn't know what was wrong with me I continued a long time > with the detoxification and I suspect that now that I'm treating > Lyme, I will be able to handle the herxes much better than I would > have otherwise and possibly accelerate my healing. I guess we will > see though, the jury is still out. I just wonder if many people > suffering with Lyme disease enter their treatment with decent > detoxification abilities but they soon become clogged and bogged down > with toxins and halfway through their treatment they find themselves > in a stalemate with the bacteria. They're still killing the bacteria > but their bodies have become so weak that it has become a good > environment for the bacteria to live. > > I apologize if my post is a bit disorganized. I'm in a pretty > intense battle with my lyme brain. > Thane MN > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Please feel free Brad, it is why I am still on the planet. If he has Skype or phone, let him know to be prepared to speak in person ( I have free long distance up there to Canada. Use to try hitting you guys with rocks when I was growing up in Cleveland. From the splashes I saw I think I never made it.). Trying to work these things long distance is a bit of a crap shoot but the more I know the better things can be tailored. A long health history plus educating him on the " whys " is important. For those that are interested: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69153.cfm<http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69153.\ cfm> From Sloan Kettering non the less... All the best, -D Free and Easy Wanderer > > > > > > > > Ellen, > > I am sorry to hear how you have been feeling. It reminds me of how I > > used to be, a feeling like drowning. Like teatering on a precipice, > > not wanting to fall over the edge but hardly a hope for staying on > > top. Its is a terrifying situation to find oneself. > > > > I am not the LLMD you are seeking but I think I can get you pointed > > in the right direction. > > > > For now, don't bother trying to kill off bacteria with antibiotics, > > rife, or any other method. Its sounds pretty clear you are unable to > > eliminate the wave of toxins that are produced and it will only > > further weaken you, resulting in an even better environment within > > your body for bacteria to thrive. > > > > Focus on Detoxing. As you know there are a million ways to detox. > > Some are better and some are worse. What I recommend is a coffee > > enema. I don't care if the idea of putting coffee in your back side > > freaks you out. The way I see it, you don't have many other options. > > Coffee enemas are a great way of kick starting your liver. You will > > feel much better then you do now in about 15 minutes! > > > > I urge you to do coffee enemas regularly for a while. Every day > > until you get your toxic load down, and then wean off of them from > > there. > > > > You are probably wondering why you shouldn't be attacking the > > bacteria at this point. If you work on opening up your channels of > > elimination, specifically Liver, Kidneys, and colon, your body will > > be much cleaner and the bacteria will start to die by itself. It > > simply cannot survive in a body that is free of toxins. Remember > > that the neurotoxins are immunosuppressive. If you keep your levels > > of toxins low then your immune system will jump back in the fight. > > > > Also, begin using the supplement " Free and Easy Wanderer " . It is the > > BEST liver herbal formula i've found. It is POWERFUL! Start out > > slow. A couple small pills a day. You will notice the effects right > > away. This supplement will help you detox and repair your liver, but > > will also kill off the infection in your liver causing herxes. Once > > you have used this supplement for a while your liver will be ready to > > handle the more aggressive lyme killing treatments. > > > > For your adrenals I urge you to try the formula " Golden Book " . It is > > great for the adrenals. This herb works much the same way as the > > liver herbs, begin very slowly, it will cause a herx but will > > completely restore your adrenals and Kidneys. > > > > As I have mentioned before, I returned from the brink, similar to the > > situation you find yourself in, and I did it by using these two > > herbal formulas. They very well saved my life. I think in the early > > phases of Lyme treatment there is too much of an emphasis > > on " killing " the infection. We should not underestimate the power of > > our own immune system. All we need to do is support our bodies > > process of eliminating the toxins, it knows how to do the rest. Once > > you have stabilized your health then it is a good idea to start > > attacking the infection with anitbiotics and rife, but until then > > just support Ellens body. All you need to do is give it the tools it > > needs for the job, and keep hauling out the trash. > > I beg you to try those two herbal formulas for three months. Like I > > said they will make you herx, but you will intuitively know you are > > going down the right path. > > > > Here are links for the supplements I suggested > > > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www\ ..heavenea/>>> rthchineseherbs. com/xiao- yao-wan-free- easy- > > wanderer-p-32. html > > > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www\ ..heavenea/>>> rthchineseherbs. com/jin-kui- shen-qi-wan- teapills- p- > > 35.html > > > > I wish you the very best Ellen, I KNOW you will get better. > > > > Thane in MN > > > > http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelesshe\ rbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasy\ WandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html\ >><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.ageles\ sherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandE\ asyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.h\ tml>>> > > > > Posted by: " thane17 " thane17@<mailto:thane17%40> thane17 > > > > Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:13 am (PST) > > > > I used to herx really hard from nearly anything. Five minutes in a > > Sauna would cause me to herx so hard I could hardly walk out of there > > and would be sick for a week. Glyconutrients were out of the question > > and a couple squirts of silver would tempt me to leap off a bridge. > > Then I focused on improving my Liver and kidney function with chinese > > herbs and now I seem to handle the herxes much better. I have a > > feeling that most of us lymies are not prioritizing our > > detoxification organs enough. I think early on detoxification should > > be almost more important than the actually antibacterial methods, and > > then as we get better the emphasis should be more on finding a way to > > kill the last bugs still hanging around. > > > > " Free and Easy Wanderer " is great for liver detoxification. I > > recomend it for everyone. Its like several coffee enemas every day > > but also has the materials to heal the liver as well. I made a little > > video about it at http://www.youtube.<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtub\ e./>><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtube./<http://www\ ..youtube./>>> com/watch? v=72b3FWW2aII > > Sorry if i've posted this link already, can't remember. Its just been > > such a helpful herb for me that I want the world to know about it. It > > offers a way to herx the liver while leaving most of the rest of the > > body alone. I don't know of any other remedy that can offer that. > > > > Long before I learned I had lyme I discovered that I was really > > toxic. I had no idea what was causing it but I felt better after > > doing cleanses like liver flush and enemas and so I stuck with it. I > > was very sick and had nearly lost my ability to take care of myself > > at all. My mind was nearly gone. I improved 50% without a single > > antibiotic therapy but only using detoxification and nutritional > > support. > > > > My theory is, if we can find supportive therapies that cause a herx, > > then we should focus on those and run with them as long as we can > > before hitting the rife and other therapies. Because treating lyme > > is so hard on our bodies I think our best approach might be to focus > > entirely on preparing our bodies for the hard treatment ahead in > > every way possible. Then when we have cleared our liver, > > strengthened our Kidneys, got our bowels moving as they should, and > > corrected any nutritional deficiencies, then and only then should we > > proceed to killing off bacteria. I do realize there are exceptions to > > this though. > > > > Since I didn't know what was wrong with me I continued a long time > > with the detoxification and I suspect that now that I'm treating > > Lyme, I will be able to handle the herxes much better than I would > > have otherwise and possibly accelerate my healing. I guess we will > > see though, the jury is still out. I just wonder if many people > > suffering with Lyme disease enter their treatment with decent > > detoxification abilities but they soon become clogged and bogged down > > with toxins and halfway through their treatment they find themselves > > in a stalemate with the bacteria. They're still killing the bacteria > > but their bodies have become so weak that it has become a good > > environment for the bacteria to live. > > > > I apologize if my post is a bit disorganized. I'm in a pretty > > intense battle with my lyme brain. > > Thane MN > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 ROFLMAO!!! Free and Easy Wanderer > > > > > > > > > > > > Ellen, > > > I am sorry to hear how you have been feeling. It reminds me of how I > > > used to be, a feeling like drowning. Like teatering on a precipice, > > > not wanting to fall over the edge but hardly a hope for staying on > > > top. Its is a terrifying situation to find oneself. > > > > > > I am not the LLMD you are seeking but I think I can get you pointed > > > in the right direction. > > > > > > For now, don't bother trying to kill off bacteria with antibiotics, > > > rife, or any other method. Its sounds pretty clear you are unable to > > > eliminate the wave of toxins that are produced and it will only > > > further weaken you, resulting in an even better environment within > > > your body for bacteria to thrive. > > > > > > Focus on Detoxing. As you know there are a million ways to detox. > > > Some are better and some are worse. What I recommend is a coffee > > > enema. I don't care if the idea of putting coffee in your back side > > > freaks you out. The way I see it, you don't have many other options. > > > Coffee enemas are a great way of kick starting your liver. You will > > > feel much better then you do now in about 15 minutes! > > > > > > I urge you to do coffee enemas regularly for a while. Every day > > > until you get your toxic load down, and then wean off of them from > > > there. > > > > > > You are probably wondering why you shouldn't be attacking the > > > bacteria at this point. If you work on opening up your channels of > > > elimination, specifically Liver, Kidneys, and colon, your body will > > > be much cleaner and the bacteria will start to die by itself. It > > > simply cannot survive in a body that is free of toxins. Remember > > > that the neurotoxins are immunosuppressive. If you keep your levels > > > of toxins low then your immune system will jump back in the fight. > > > > > > Also, begin using the supplement " Free and Easy Wanderer " . It is the > > > BEST liver herbal formula i've found. It is POWERFUL! Start out > > > slow. A couple small pills a day. You will notice the effects right > > > away. This supplement will help you detox and repair your liver, but > > > will also kill off the infection in your liver causing herxes. Once > > > you have used this supplement for a while your liver will be ready to > > > handle the more aggressive lyme killing treatments. > > > > > > For your adrenals I urge you to try the formula " Golden Book " . It is > > > great for the adrenals. This herb works much the same way as the > > > liver herbs, begin very slowly, it will cause a herx but will > > > completely restore your adrenals and Kidneys. > > > > > > As I have mentioned before, I returned from the brink, similar to the > > > situation you find yourself in, and I did it by using these two > > > herbal formulas. They very well saved my life. I think in the early > > > phases of Lyme treatment there is too much of an emphasis > > > on " killing " the infection. We should not underestimate the power of > > > our own immune system. All we need to do is support our bodies > > > process of eliminating the toxins, it knows how to do the rest. Once > > > you have stabilized your health then it is a good idea to start > > > attacking the infection with anitbiotics and rife, but until then > > > just support Ellens body. All you need to do is give it the tools it > > > needs for the job, and keep hauling out the trash. > > > I beg you to try those two herbal formulas for three months. Like I > > > said they will make you herx, but you will intuitively know you are > > > going down the right path. > > > > > > Here are links for the supplements I suggested > > > > > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www\ ..heavenea/>>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<ht\ tp://www.heavenea/>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heave\ nea/<http://www.heavenea/>>>> rthchineseherbs. com/xiao- yao-wan-free- easy- > > > wanderer-p-32. html > > > > > > http://www.heavenea<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heaven\ ea/>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<http://www\ ..heavenea/>>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heavenea/<ht\ tp://www.heavenea/>><http://www.heavenea/<http://www.heavenea/><http://www.heave\ nea/<http://www.heavenea/>>>> rthchineseherbs. com/jin-kui- shen-qi-wan- teapills- p- > > > 35.html > > > > > > I wish you the very best Ellen, I KNOW you will get better. > > > > > > Thane in MN > > > > > > http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelesshe\ rbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasy\ WandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html\ >><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.ageles\ sherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandE\ asyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.h\ tml>>><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.ag\ elessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/Free\ andEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormu\ la.html>><http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www\ ..agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFormula.html><http://www.agelessherbs.com/F\ reeandEasyWandererFormula.html<http://www.agelessherbs.com/FreeandEasyWandererFo\ rmula.html>>>> > > > > > > Posted by: " thane17 " thane17@<mailto:thane17%40> thane17 > > > > > > Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:13 am (PST) > > > > > > I used to herx really hard from nearly anything. Five minutes in a > > > Sauna would cause me to herx so hard I could hardly walk out of there > > > and would be sick for a week. Glyconutrients were out of the question > > > and a couple squirts of silver would tempt me to leap off a bridge. > > > Then I focused on improving my Liver and kidney function with chinese > > > herbs and now I seem to handle the herxes much better. I have a > > > feeling that most of us lymies are not prioritizing our > > > detoxification organs enough. I think early on detoxification should > > > be almost more important than the actually antibacterial methods, and > > > then as we get better the emphasis should be more on finding a way to > > > kill the last bugs still hanging around. > > > > > > " Free and Easy Wanderer " is great for liver detoxification. I > > > recomend it for everyone. Its like several coffee enemas every day > > > but also has the materials to heal the liver as well. I made a little > > > video about it at http://www.youtube.<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtub\ e./>><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtube./<http://www\ ..youtube./>>><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtube./<ht\ tp://www.youtube./>><http://www.youtube./<http://www.youtube./><http://www.youtu\ be./<http://www.youtube./>>>> com/watch? v=72b3FWW2aII > > > Sorry if i've posted this link already, can't remember. Its just been > > > such a helpful herb for me that I want the world to know about it. It > > > offers a way to herx the liver while leaving most of the rest of the > > > body alone. I don't know of any other remedy that can offer that. > > > > > > Long before I learned I had lyme I discovered that I was really > > > toxic. I had no idea what was causing it but I felt better after > > > doing cleanses like liver flush and enemas and so I stuck with it. I > > > was very sick and had nearly lost my ability to take care of myself > > > at all. My mind was nearly gone. I improved 50% without a single > > > antibiotic therapy but only using detoxification and nutritional > > > support. > > > > > > My theory is, if we can find supportive therapies that cause a herx, > > > then we should focus on those and run with them as long as we can > > > before hitting the rife and other therapies. Because treating lyme > > > is so hard on our bodies I think our best approach might be to focus > > > entirely on preparing our bodies for the hard treatment ahead in > > > every way possible. Then when we have cleared our liver, > > > strengthened our Kidneys, got our bowels moving as they should, and > > > corrected any nutritional deficiencies, then and only then should we > > > proceed to killing off bacteria. I do realize there are exceptions to > > > this though. > > > > > > Since I didn't know what was wrong with me I continued a long time > > > with the detoxification and I suspect that now that I'm treating > > > Lyme, I will be able to handle the herxes much better than I would > > > have otherwise and possibly accelerate my healing. I guess we will > > > see though, the jury is still out. I just wonder if many people > > > suffering with Lyme disease enter their treatment with decent > > > detoxification abilities but they soon become clogged and bogged down > > > with toxins and halfway through their treatment they find themselves > > > in a stalemate with the bacteria. They're still killing the bacteria > > > but their bodies have become so weak that it has become a good > > > environment for the bacteria to live. > > > > > > I apologize if my post is a bit disorganized. I'm in a pretty > > > intense battle with my lyme brain. > > > Thane MN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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