Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

September 2, 2009

I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have cooked

it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have

learned on the subject of lactase

our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it as we

age, making us more likely to

become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any

allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm not

saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my

parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having,

taste wise.

You asked:

" Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

financial reasons for this? "

All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw milk

products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers concerning

what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even back

then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to be more

nutritous than cows milk.

Here is some more information on raw milk

http://www.realmilk.com/raw.html

http://www.realmilk.com/safety-raw-milk.html

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/what_is_in_raw_milk.html

enjoy,

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September 18, 2009

I drink Lactaid milk and it if FANTASTIC

From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@...>

Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

gallstones

Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have cooked

it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have

learned on the subject of lactase

our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it as we

age, making us more likely to

become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any

allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm not

saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my

parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having,

taste wise.

You asked:

" Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

financial reasons for this? "

All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw milk

products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers concerning

what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even back

then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to be more

nutritous than cows milk.

Here is some more information on raw milk

http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

enjoy,

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September 18, 2009

I now use Coconut milk in place of cows milk, it is high in coconut oil

and very healthy and delicious.

LSapar wrote:

> I drink Lactaid milk and it if FANTASTIC

>

> From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@...>

> Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> gallstones

> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

>

> I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have cooked

> it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

> which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have

> learned on the subject of lactase

> our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it as we

> age, making us more likely to

> become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any

> allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

> then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

> I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm not

> saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

> are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my

> parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having,

> taste wise.

>

> You asked:

> " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> financial reasons for this? "

>

> All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw milk

> products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers concerning

> what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even back

> then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to be more

> nutritous than cows milk.

>

> Here is some more information on raw milk

> http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

> http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

>

> enjoy,

>

September 18, 2009

From what I understand, Lactaid products are milk products with the lactose

removed.

But I am guessing that while some people have problems with lactose, others have

problems with the casein in milk.

Does anyone know what the symptoms of lactose problems versus the symptoms of

casein problems?

Thanks!

>

> From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@...>

> Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> gallstones

> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

>

> I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have cooked

> it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

> which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have

> learned on the subject of lactase

> our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it as we

> age, making us more likely to

> become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any

> allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

> then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

> I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm not

> saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

> are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my

> parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having,

> taste wise.

>

> You asked:

> " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> financial reasons for this? "

>

> All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw milk

> products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers concerning

> what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even back

> then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to be more

> nutritous than cows milk.

>

> Here is some more information on raw milk

> http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

> http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

>

> enjoy,

>

> **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from previous

post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of message being replied to

unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for your consideration. :-)

>

September 18, 2009

I use coconut oil for cooking. As for the content, does coconut milk have any

additional benefits over coconut oil? Thanks.

> >

> > From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@...>

> > Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > gallstones

> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> >

> > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have cooked

> > it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

> > which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have

> > learned on the subject of lactase

> > our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it as we

> > age, making us more likely to

> > become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any

> > allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

> > then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

> > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> > done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> > milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm not

> > saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

> > are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my

> > parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having,

> > taste wise.

> >

> > You asked:

> > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> > is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> > financial reasons for this? "

> >

> > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> > made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw milk

> > products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers concerning

> > what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even back

> > then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to be more

> > nutritous than cows milk.

> >

> > Here is some more information on raw milk

> > http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

> > http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

> >

> > enjoy,

> >

>

September 18, 2009

I have a casein allergy.

It translates for me in cramps/spasms in my guts, and diarrhea. It is not

immediate. It takes a few days to start.

I am not sure what lactose intolerance translates into. I have heard gas and

bloating.

The good part about casein allergy is that I can eat butter. On the other

hand, most cheeses are out.

Odile

Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> gallstones

> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

>

> I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> cooked it and killed the live enzyme Lactase which is naturally in

> milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have learned on the

> subject of lactase our bodies produce lots of it when we are young,

> and less of it as we age, making us more likely to become allergic to

> dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any allergies to it

> until I hit mid 40's, then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with

> milk in it.

> I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm

> not saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions are not

> clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my parents

> could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having, taste

> wise.

>

> You asked:

> " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> financial reasons for this? "

>

> All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw

> milk products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> concerning what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food

> even back then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed

> to be more nutritous than cows milk.

>

> Here is some more information on raw milk http://www.realmilk

> .com/raw. html http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

>

> enjoy,

>

> **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from

> previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of message

> being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for your

> consideration. :-)

>

September 18, 2009

PS:

I am ok with Goats milk.

I have not tried raw milk. I always assumed that if I was allergic to

casein, it would be there no matter which cow milk I use.

Odile

Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> gallstones

> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

>

> I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> cooked it and killed the live enzyme Lactase which is naturally in

> milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have learned on the

> subject of lactase our bodies produce lots of it when we are young,

> and less of it as we age, making us more likely to become allergic to

> dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any allergies to it

> until I hit mid 40's, then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with

> milk in it.

> I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm

> not saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions are not

> clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my parents

> could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having, taste

> wise.

>

> You asked:

> " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> financial reasons for this? "

>

> All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw

> milk products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> concerning what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food

> even back then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed

> to be more nutritous than cows milk.

>

> Here is some more information on raw milk http://www.realmilk

> .com/raw. html http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

>

> enjoy,

>

> **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from

> previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of message

> being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for your

> consideration. :-)

>

September 18, 2009

Do you know the difference between casein problems and lactose problems?

Thanks.

> >

> > From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@>

> > Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > gallstones

> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> >

> > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> > cooked it and killed the live enzyme Lactase which is naturally in

> > milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have learned on the

> > subject of lactase our bodies produce lots of it when we are young,

> > and less of it as we age, making us more likely to become allergic to

> > dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any allergies to it

> > until I hit mid 40's, then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with

> > milk in it.

> > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> > done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> > milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm

> > not saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions are not

> > clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my parents

> > could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having, taste

> > wise.

> >

> > You asked:

> > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> > is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> > financial reasons for this? "

> >

> > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> > made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw

> > milk products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> > concerning what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food

> > even back then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed

> > to be more nutritous than cows milk.

> >

> > Here is some more information on raw milk http://www.realmilk

> > .com/raw. html http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

> >

> > enjoy,

> >

> > **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from

> > previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of message

> > being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for your

> > consideration. :-)

> >

September 18, 2009

Or they may have lactase added, the enzyme needed to digest it. I'm

not sure which way they make it digestible, but the problem is they have

cooked all the nutrients and enzymes out of it. Leaving a dead food

with no nutrition left in it. That's why I call it dead milk.

Those who are lactose intolerant (the sugar found in milk) dont have

enough enzymes left in our bodies to properly digest cooked milk, thus

it causes Gastro-intestinal problems ie nausea, diarrhea, bloating,

flatulence and malabsorption. Lactose Intolerance is known to increase

markedly with age.

Raw milk full of all the natural nutrients and enzymes can be tolerated

by many with lactose intolerance.

Also I find I'm able to eat butter (milk fat) without any problem.

****Casein's most common allergy symptoms are itchy skin conditions,

Gastro-intestinal and respiratory problems.**** Casein (a milk protein)

allergy is often apparent with babies, but can remain undiagnosed until

adulthood. Reactions including hives, eczema, vomiting, asthma and

diarrhea are common.

Casein is added to many packaged foods, thus making it hard to avoid.

hth,

fjnie1234 wrote:

> >From what I understand, Lactaid products are milk products with the lactose

removed.

>

> But I am guessing that while some people have problems with lactose, others

have problems with the casein in milk.

>

> Does anyone know what the symptoms of lactose problems versus the symptoms of

casein problems?

>

> Thanks!

>

>>

>

September 18, 2009

How do you know that it is the casein? How did you figure that out?

My main symptom with dairy is sinus problems. I always wondered if it was the

casein or the lactose. Thanks.

> >

> > From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@>

> > Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > gallstones

> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> >

> > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> > cooked it and killed the live enzyme Lactase which is naturally in

> > milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have learned on the

> > subject of lactase our bodies produce lots of it when we are young,

> > and less of it as we age, making us more likely to become allergic to

> > dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any allergies to it

> > until I hit mid 40's, then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with

> > milk in it.

> > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> > done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> > milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm

> > not saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions are not

> > clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my parents

> > could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having, taste

> > wise.

> >

> > You asked:

> > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> > is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> > financial reasons for this? "

> >

> > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> > made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw

> > milk products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> > concerning what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food

> > even back then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed

> > to be more nutritous than cows milk.

> >

> > Here is some more information on raw milk http://www.realmilk

> > .com/raw. html http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

> >

> > enjoy,

> >

> > **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from

> > previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of message

> > being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for your

> > consideration. :-)

> >

September 18, 2009

If you are allergic to casein you will still be allergic to raw milk also.

The reason many lactose intolerant people can tolerate raw milk is

because it still has the enzyme

lactase in it, which helps us digest the milk.

odile kaylor wrote:

> PS:

> I am ok with Goats milk.

> I have not tried raw milk. I always assumed that if I was allergic to

> casein, it would be there no matter which cow milk I use.

> Odile

>

September 18, 2009

Lactose problems are generall gastro-intestional only, because you

cannot properly digest the milk without the missing enzymes.

I also forgot to mention in my previous post that the symptoms begin

within minutes of eating dairy products.

One way you can test this out to see if it's just the missing lactase

(the enzyme to help digest lactose) or is it's casein is to buy a small

bottle of lactaid or other enzyme replacer. (sold OTC at your grocery

store) Then consume some milk and take the milk enzyme pill with it, if

all goes well and you have no symptoms, you are lactose intolerant, and

taking the enzyme pills will help you digest dairy when you eat it.

fjnie1234 wrote:

> Do you know the difference between casein problems and lactose problems?

Thanks.

>

>> PS:

>> I am ok with Goats milk.

>> I have not tried raw milk. I always assumed that if I was allergic to

>> casein, it would be there no matter which cow milk I use.

>> Odile

>>

>

September 18, 2009

I got tested for allergy tests.

Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > gallstones

> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> >

> > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> > cooked it and killed the live enzyme Lactase which is naturally in

> > milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have learned on the

> > subject of lactase our bodies produce lots of it when we are young,

> > and less of it as we age, making us more likely to become allergic

> > to dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any allergies to

> > it until I hit mid 40's, then suddenly I can't tolerate anything

> > with milk in it.

> > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they

> > have done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of

> > raw milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter.

> > I'm not saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions are

> > not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my

> > parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember

> > having, taste wise.

> >

> > You asked:

> > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that

> > it is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political

> > and/or financial reasons for this? "

> >

> > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to

> > be made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating

> > raw milk products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> > concerning what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food

> > even back then. To answer your other question, goats milk is

> > supposed to be more nutritous than cows milk.

> >

> > Here is some more information on raw milk http://www.realmilk

> > .com/raw. html http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

> >

> > enjoy,

> >

> > **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from

> > previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of

> > message being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for

> > your consideration. :-)

> >

September 18, 2009

Recommend you familiarize yourself with 2 books - T Collin 's

" The China Syndrome and Caldwell B Esselstyn's " Prevent and Reverse

Heart Disease " they address dairy and oils in your diet and the effects

Good luck

FB

On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:41 AM, fjnie1234 wrote:

> I use coconut oil for cooking. As for the content, does coconut

> milk have any additional benefits over coconut oil? Thanks.

>

> > >

> > > From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@...>

> > > Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > > gallstones

> > > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> > >

> > > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they

> have cooked

> > > it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

> > > which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what

> i have

> > > learned on the subject of lactase

> > > our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it

> as we

> > > age, making us more likely to

> > > become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not

> notice any

> > > allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

> > > then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

> > > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS

> RAW MILK.

> > > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what

> they have

> > > done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> > > milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter.

> I'm not

> > > saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

> > > are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child

> whenever my

> > > parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever

> remember having,

> > > taste wise.

> > >

> > > You asked:

> > > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is

> that it

> > > is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political

> and/or

> > > financial reasons for this? "

> > >

> > > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no

> money to be

> > > made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating

> raw milk

> > > products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> concerning

> > > what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even

> back

> > > then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to

> be more

> > > nutritous than cows milk.

> > >

> > > Here is some more information on raw milk

> > > http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

> > > http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> > > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> > > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

> > >

> > > enjoy,

> > >

> >

>

J.R. Battaglia

tel 818 897 8500

cel 818 268 5395

frank_la@...

September 18, 2009

Recommend you familiarize yourself with 2 books - T Collin 's

" The China Syndrome and Caldwell B Esselstyn's " Prevent and Reverse

Heart Disease " they address dairy and oils in your diet and the effects

Good luck

FB

On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:41 AM, fjnie1234 wrote:

> I use coconut oil for cooking. As for the content, does coconut

> milk have any additional benefits over coconut oil? Thanks.

>

> > >

> > > From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@...>

> > > Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > > gallstones

> > > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> > >

> > > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they

> have cooked

> > > it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

> > > which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what

> i have

> > > learned on the subject of lactase

> > > our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it

> as we

> > > age, making us more likely to

> > > become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not

> notice any

> > > allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

> > > then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

> > > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS

> RAW MILK.

> > > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what

> they have

> > > done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> > > milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter.

> I'm not

> > > saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

> > > are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child

> whenever my

> > > parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever

> remember having,

> > > taste wise.

> > >

> > > You asked:

> > > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is

> that it

> > > is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political

> and/or

> > > financial reasons for this? "

> > >

> > > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no

> money to be

> > > made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating

> raw milk

> > > products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> concerning

> > > what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even

> back

> > > then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to

> be more

> > > nutritous than cows milk.

> > >

> > > Here is some more information on raw milk

> > > http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

> > > http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> > > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> > > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

> > >

> > > enjoy,

> > >

> >

>

J.R. Battaglia

tel 818 897 8500

cel 818 268 5395

frank_la@...

September 18, 2009

, can you give us a quick synposis? Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@>

> > > > Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > > > gallstones

> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> > > >

> > > > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they

> > have cooked

> > > > it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

> > > > which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what

> > i have

> > > > learned on the subject of lactase

> > > > our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it

> > as we

> > > > age, making us more likely to

> > > > become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not

> > notice any

> > > > allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

> > > > then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

> > > > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS

> > RAW MILK.

> > > > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what

> > they have

> > > > done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> > > > milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter.

> > I'm not

> > > > saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

> > > > are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child

> > whenever my

> > > > parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever

> > remember having,

> > > > taste wise.

> > > >

> > > > You asked:

> > > > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is

> > that it

> > > > is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political

> > and/or

> > > > financial reasons for this? "

> > > >

> > > > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no

> > money to be

> > > > made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating

> > raw milk

> > > > products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> > concerning

> > > > what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even

> > back

> > > > then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to

> > be more

> > > > nutritous than cows milk.

> > > >

> > > > Here is some more information on raw milk

> > > > http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

> > > > http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> > > > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> > > > http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

> > > >

> > > > enjoy,

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> J.R. Battaglia

> tel 818 897 8500

> cel 818 268 5395

> frank_la@...

>

September 18, 2009

Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40>

> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

> >

> > I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> > cooked it and killed the live enzyme Lactase which is naturally in

> > milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have learned on the

> > subject of lactase our bodies produce lots of it when we are young,

> > and less of it as we age, making us more likely to become allergic to

> > dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any allergies to it

> > until I hit mid 40's, then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with

> > milk in it.

> > I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW MILK.

> > Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> > done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> > milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm

> > not saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions are not

> > clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my parents

> > could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having, taste

> > wise.

> >

> > You asked:

> > " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> > is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> > financial reasons for this? "

> >

> > All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> > made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw

> > milk products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> > concerning what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food

> > even back then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed

> > to be more nutritous than cows milk.

> >

> > Here is some more information on raw milk

http://www.realmilk<http://www.realmilk/>

> > .com/raw. html http://www.realmilk<http://www.realmilk/> .com/safety-

raw-milk. html

> > http://www.raw-<http://www.raw-/> milk-facts. com/raw_milk_

health_benefits. html

> > http://www.raw-<http://www.raw-/> milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_

milk.html

> >

> > enjoy,

> >

> > **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from

> > previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of message

> > being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for your

> > consideration. :-)

> >

September 18, 2009

One of the reasons feds deem raw milk is not safe is due to the

unsanitary conditions the cows live in

On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:04 AM, LSapar wrote:

> I drink Lactaid milk and it if FANTASTIC

>

> From: Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim@...>

> Subject: Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> gallstones

> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

>

> I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> cooked

> it and killed the live enzyme Lactase

> which is naturally in milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have

> learned on the subject of lactase

> our bodies produce lots of it when we are young, and less of it as we

> age, making us more likely to

> become allergic to dairy products as we get older. I did not notice

> any

> allergies to it until I hit mid 40's,

> then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with milk in it.

> I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW

> MILK.

> Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm

> not

> saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions

> are not clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my

> parents could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember

> having,

> taste wise.

>

> You asked:

> " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> financial reasons for this? "

>

> All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw

> milk

> products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers concerning

> what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food even back

> then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed to be more

> nutritous than cows milk.

>

> Here is some more information on raw milk

> http://www.realmilk .com/raw. html

> http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

>

> enjoy,

>

> **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material

> from previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of

> message being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for

> your consideration. :-)

>

September 18, 2009

That is weird because the raw milk farms have very very strenuous conditions

of hygienne and health.

Re: somewhat off topic/Raw Milk

> gallstones

> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:15 PM

>

> I'm allergic to " dead milk " , why, well in part because they have

> cooked it and killed the live enzyme Lactase which is naturally in

> milk, to help us digest it. Now from what i have learned on the

> subject of lactase our bodies produce lots of it when we are young,

> and less of it as we age, making us more likely to become allergic to

> dairy products as we get older. I did not notice any allergies to it

> until I hit mid 40's, then suddenly I can't tolerate anything with

> milk in it.

> I also happen to live in (NV) one of the states which OUTLAWS RAW

> MILK.

> Now just look at those words, outlaws raw milk, that is what they have

> done. WHY?? Yet I have (Personally) never heard of one case of raw

> milk killing someone, or even making them sick for that matter. I'm

> not saying it cannot happen, especially if the conditions are not

> clean. I drank raw cow and goat milk as a child whenever my parents

> could get it, and it's the best milk I can ever remember having, taste

> wise.

>

> You asked:

> " Why is it illegal in most states? The reason usually given is that it

> is not safe. Is there more to it than that? Are there political and/or

> financial reasons for this? "

>

> All good questions by the way, My answer is....There is no money to be

> made on a bunch of healthy people drinking raw milk and eating raw

> milk products!! I like to resort to biblical times for answers

> concerning what is or is not good to eat, and milk was a common food

> even back then. To answer your other question, goats milk is supposed

> to be more nutritous than cows milk.

>

> Here is some more information on raw milk http://www.realmilk

> .com/raw. html http://www.realmilk .com/safety- raw-milk. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/raw_milk_ health_benefits. html

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/what_ is_in_raw_ milk.html

>

> enjoy,

>

> **This message has been edited to remove NON essential material from

> previous post material** PLEASE - when replying delete all of message

> being replied to unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. Thank you for your

> consideration. :-)

>

September 19, 2009

The unsanitary conditions the cow live in at the large dairy farms maybe.

That does not excuse them for making raw milk illegal. By outlawing it

they

are assuming that everyone keeps that same very poor standard for

sanitation

where their cows are concerned. Not all cows are kept in those bad

conditions.

Besides the fact that if sanitation is the problem, then who in their

right mind

would consider drinking that milk even after they have cooked all the

nutrients

out of it?? Yuck!

I don't believe this was done to protect us, that is not the MO of the FDA.

They have proven to me repeatedly that they have done nothing, in my

best interest or that of the public.

Battaglia wrote:

> One of the reasons feds deem raw milk is not safe is due to the

> unsanitary conditions the cows live in

>

> On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:04 AM, LSapar wrote:

>

>> I drink Lactaid milk and it if FANTASTIC

>>

>

September 19, 2009

U raise some good points but one can get raw milk if one looks / hunts for it-

Whole Foods carries it- it is not illegal to sell raw milk at least not in a

number of states -

good luck

FB

On Friday, September 18, 2009, at 04:25PM, " Lady Pilgrim "

<Ladypilgrim@...> wrote:

>

September 19, 2009

Not really off topic as foods that are conducive to health are surely a good

topic for gallstones and any other ailments.

The powers that be..know how to make food harmful, and without any health

benefits..thats why the junk food market is so huge...and our taste buds have to

have really strong tasting foods..

raw milk is not harmful..like pasteurized...what a con..to tell people its about

the germs etc.. there are all sorts of very nasty things in pasteurized

milk..but they won't tell you about those..

ajd

September 19, 2009

Well what matters most to me is that it is illegal here in NV where I live.

I can get it, if I'm willing to either go to another state to purchase

it, or

have it shipped to me (frozen), at around $8.00 per gallon, before shipping

is added on.

So until I'm able to leave this State, milk is not an option for me at all.

Battaglia wrote:

> U raise some good points but one can get raw milk if one looks / hunts for it-

Whole Foods carries it- it is not illegal to sell raw milk at least not in a

number of states -

>

> good luck

>

> FB

>

September 19, 2009

Is raw goats milk illegal as well? Even better for U

On Saturday, September 19, 2009, at 08:29AM, " Lady Pilgrim "

<Ladypilgrim@...> wrote:

>

September 19, 2009

yup, you know they (the FDA) are watching out for my health, don't ya.

Not

The Whole Foods here carries organic, but not raw dairy products.

Battaglia wrote:

> Is raw goats milk illegal as well? Even better for U

>

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