Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Dr. Code (who had very debilitating MS himself, and wrote " Who's in Control of Your MS? " ) also stresses the importance of vitamin D, among other things. I've met and talked with him personally, and can attest to the fact that he went from being confined to a wheelchair and rapidly progressing to being an energetic, walking, all around healthy seeming man. I don't remember off hand how much vit. D he suggests for MS patients, but it is quite high by conventional standards -- although that isn't saying much, given how low the RDA for vitamin D is. > > I just listened to the DVD by Dr. Canell about Vit D and MS. I would > order the CD or DVD from Pfeffer Productions Media Sales > PO BOX 1063 > Bel Air, MD 21014 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Good info about the importance of checking gluten in MS. It’s a strong link but only accounts for some portion of cases. As others have suggested, I had a patient who had been accepted as having MS for 10 years with intermittent blindness --the whole works-- and then was cured (not by me) by an anti-fungal treatment. The diagnosis MS represents a symptom complex, which can come from many different causes. I went all through the first link below. There’s lots of info there about the links between grains/glutens and autoimmune disease, and at least one link demonstrates that meat is healthy for humans, but I don’t see anything that contradicts the widely known epidemiological findings of links between high meat consumption and auto-immune diseases (and cancers). I also see very few reasearch journal references cited at all, and especially ones that are not very old, except for one of Loren Cordain’s. I’ve corresponded with him quite a bit in years past and know his writing well. He shows the health benefits of meats, and problems with glutens/grains, but still does nothing to contradict the links between high meat consumption and disease. Mostly other websites are cited. Maybe this is just because it’s for lay people. I clicked on lots of the linkns within the below links and searched for the words “protein,” “animal,” or “meat,” and can’t find the “thumbs-up for animal protein” in any of these links. It does seem that more and more research papers are blaming the meat links on salted, processed, nitrate-containing, and well-done or grilled meats, leaving clean, not-over-cooked meat looking pretty innocent. PS, the below is reprint of how Wanita’s post came to me and it looks fine now as I send, although something is causing clean links like that to turn into jargon when I post. It doesn’t happen to me on other boards. Does anyone know what’s causing this? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Wanita Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: Re: MS Gluten MS search gives gluten and dairy thumbs down and animal protein thumbs up. Multiple Sclerosis and Dietary Intervention HYPERLINK " http://paleodiet.com/ms/ " http://paleodiet.com/ms/ Multiple Sclerosis News HYPERLINK " http://www.jsumption.com/imssf/modules.php?op=modload & name=Sections & file=in dex & req=listarticles & secid=36 " http://www.jsumption.com/imssf/modules.php?op= modload & name=Sections & file=index & req=listarticles & secid=36 Brain Lesions Identical in MS and CD/gluten ataxia (from MS News) HYPERLINK " http://tinyurl.com/doz97 " http://tinyurl.com/doz97 Wanita -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 There are also strong links between lyme disease and MS - lyme is actually the cause in many cases and when the lyme is treated the MS sufferer recovers. Yes, the myelin can regrow if you get rid of what is destroying it. People with lyme get all kinds of allergies, typical of long lyme infections are gluten sensitivity, dairy intolerance, and Multiple Chemical sensitivity. It does at least partially improve when lyme is treated, tho I don't know firsthand of anyone who had MCS bad that recovered completely. People with lyme do well eating lots of raw veggies, probably from the minerals that the lyme made them deficient in and the enzymes to help mop up the toxins from the lyme. - Renate > > Gluten MS search gives gluten and dairy thumbs down and animal protein thumbs up. > > Multiple Sclerosis and Dietary Intervention > http://paleodiet.com/ms/ > > Multiple Sclerosis News > http://www.jsumption.com/imssf/modules.php? op=modload & name=Sections & file=index & req=listarticles & secid=36 > > Brain Lesions Identical in MS and CD/gluten ataxia (from MS News) > http://tinyurl.com/doz97 > > Wanita > > There are strong links between MS (and other auto-immune diseases) and diary > consumption, and yes raw milk is equally culprit, or more culprit in some > studies. There are also known links to high meat consumption. I personally > (through reading research) believe that it’s linkd to milk- protein (casein) > reactions (like allergic reactions, which are not always apparent to > people), at least in part, as this reaction is the kind that’s linked to > other auto-immune diseases, including diabetes, and chronic > inflammatory-related heart-disease. I’m not sure how the high- meat > consumption would fit in though, but imagnine it’d be similar to whatever > pathways cause the much higher cancer incidence in high-meat (and dairy) > consumers. Gluten intolerance may be anotoher link to MS. linda > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I would test for Lyme Disease to be safe. A sad story: A person I worked with began developing a myriad of health problems. He was diagnosed with ALS. Many months later, they determined that he actually had Lyme Disease and not ALS. They began a regimen of anti- biotics but it was too late. He died about a month later. --- In , " haecklers " <haecklers@...> wrote: > > There are also strong links between lyme disease and MS - lyme is > actually the cause in many cases and when the lyme is treated the MS > sufferer recovers. Yes, the myelin can regrow if you get rid of > what is destroying it. People with lyme get all kinds of allergies, > typical of long lyme infections are gluten sensitivity, dairy > intolerance, and Multiple Chemical sensitivity. It does at least > partially improve when lyme is treated, tho I don't know firsthand > of anyone who had MCS bad that recovered completely. > > People with lyme do well eating lots of raw veggies, probably from > the minerals that the lyme made them deficient in and the enzymes to > help mop up the toxins from the lyme. > > - Renate > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 What about grass-fed, naturally raised meat (bison, etc) versus factory-farmed, feedlot (grain-fed) meat? -------------------------------- It does seem that more and more research papers are blaming the meat links on salted, processed, nitrate-containing, and well-done or grilled meats, leaving clean, not-over-cooked meat looking pretty innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Can’t find any published research on that; while we can all speculate with educated guesses. I did find the below for entertainment: J Anim Sci. 2004 Jun;82(6):1794-805. Performance and carcass quality of steers fed different sources of dietary fat. Felton EE, Kerley MS. Department of Animal Science, University of Missouri, Columbia 65211, USA. The hypothesis of this experiment was that increasing dietary fat through the use of whole oilseeds and altering the dietary ratio of PUFA:saturated fatty acids would alter carcass composition of finishing steers. Seventy-two steers (443.6 +/- 1.0 kg) were fed for 76 d one of four dietary treatments: a corn/ soybean meal-based diet (NOFAT); two diets containing 16% (DM basis) whole raw soybeans; and a corn/soybean meal-based diet containing choice white grease (CWG) equal to the fat addition supplied by the soybeans. Soybeans used in the diets were either a standard variety (NORM-SB) or a variety high in oleic acid content (HO-SB). The fatty acid profile of diets differed (P < 0.05) in the degree of saturation and content of palmitic, stearic, oleic, linoleic, and linolenic acids. There were no differences in ADG (1.73 kg/d), hot carcass weight (347 kg), longissimus muscle area (79.4 cm2), yield grade (3.31), or percentage of boneless retail cuts (48.8%). Contrasts revealed differences (P < 0.05) in G:F and marbling score with the addition of fat (0.126 vs. 0.137 and 4.66 vs. 4.91, respectively, for NOFAT vs. fat). The addition of fat tended (P < 0.10) to increase backfat, and feeding NORM-SB increased (P < 0.01) dressing percent compared with the HO-SB treatment. Loin samples taken from steers fed NOFAT, NORM-SB, and HO-SB did not differ in alpha-tocopherol content. Loins from the CWG treatment tended (P < 0.10) to have lower alpha-tocopherol content than did the soybean treatments (0.79 vs. 0.99 ppm, respectively). From main-effects analysis, HO-SB loin samples had the highest (F3,8 = 32.91; P < 0.01) concentration of gamma-tocopherol (0.33 ppm); this resulted in differences (P < 0.05) in gamma-tocopherol when comparing all contrasts. When comparing loin samples from NORM-SB-fed steers with those from HO-SB-fed steers, NORM-SB samples had a greater (P < 0.05) percentage oflinoleic acid and PUFA and a lower (P < 0.05) percentage of oleic acid and monounsaturated fatty acids. Furthermore, loin samples from soybean-fed steers tended (P < 0.10) to have a greater concentration of conjugated linoleic acid than samples from CWG-fed steers. These data suggest that the source of added dietary fat may affect overall carcass composition. Furthermore, dietary addition of soybeans or CWG can improve feed efficiency and marbling, whereas the addition of whole raw soybeans compared with CWG may increase unsaturation and total vitamin E content of beef. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: RE: MS What about grass-fed, naturally raised meat (bison, etc) versus factory-farmed, feedlot (grain-fed) meat? -------------------------------- It does seem that more and more research papers are blaming the meat links on salted, processed, nitrate-containing, and well-done or grilled meats, leaving clean, not-over-cooked meat looking pretty innocent. _____ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.4/255 - Release Date: 2/9/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 mmmmmmmm! Choice white grease! Ellen On 2/10/06, F. Palmer <lfpalmer@...> wrote: > > > steers (443.6 +/- 1.0 kg) were fed for 76 d one of four dietary > treatments: > a corn/ soybean meal-based diet (NOFAT); two diets containing 16% (DM > basis) > whole raw soybeans; and a corn/soybean meal-based diet containing choice > white grease (CWG) equal to the fat addition supplied by the soybeans. > Soybeans used in the diets were either a standard variety (NORM-SB) or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 , Good info about the importance of checking gluten in MS. It’s a strong link but only accounts for some portion of cases. As does any one protocol for any one disease. Neuropathy and ataxia that often comes with gluten intolerance imo, can mimic MS. As others have suggested, I had a patient who had been accepted as having MS for 10 years with intermittent blindness --the whole works-- and then was cured (not by me) by an anti-fungal treatment. The diagnosis MS represents a symptom complex, which can come from many different causes. Finding and treating an individual's source symptom does that, as Mrs. Bernstein says as well in this thread I went all through the first link below. There’s lots of info there about the links between grains/glutens and autoimmune disease, and at least one link demonstrates that meat is healthy for humans, but I don’t see anything that contradicts the widely known epidemiological findings of links between high meat consumption and auto-immune diseases (and cancers). It's that " One man's meat is another man's poison " This research illustrates incidence of cancer and diabetes to diets that were either too high in protein or too low. Diabetes, Cancer and Weight: A Metabolic Typing Survey http://www.bloodph.com/research/Diabetes%20Cancer%20and%20Weight.html I also see very few reasearch journal references cited at all, and especially ones that are not very old, except for one of Loren Cordain’s. I’ve corresponded with him quite a bit in years past and know his writing well. He shows the health benefits of meats, and problems with glutens/grains, but still does nothing to contradict the links between high meat consumption and disease. Mostly other websites are cited. Maybe this is just because it’s for lay people. I clicked on lots of the linkns within the below links and searched for the words “protein,†“animal,†or “meat,†and can’t find the “thumbs-up for animal protein†in any of these links. On this list the history of human nutrition is considered with today's nutrition and science. It does seem that more and more research papers are blaming the meat links on salted, processed, nitrate-containing, and well-done or grilled meats, leaving clean, not-over-cooked meat looking pretty innocent Not only clean. Fed a diet that is as close as possible to that of their natural, wild environment. Few studies use those factors. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Since MS has been brought up, and since it is such a sinister condition, I am sending this post for those affected. I learned about this new theory and treatment a few weeks ago. Lost the original source but here is a glimpse from Mercola with some links that might get you to more. Seems this Dr.'s wife was diagnosed and being a vascular surgeon he decided to image. Found that the arteries leading to the brain were fine but the veins leading away were occluded. did an angioplasty like ballooning of her jugulars and symptoms plus lesions disappeared. Seems this has now been done on a few with spectacular results. My understanding is there are three major trials going on now worldwide. And of course all of the " support organizations " are poo pooing it, but then I would expect that most of those are probably heavily influenced by the pharma making the accepted drug treatments... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/12/15/Interesting-Novel-\ Surgical-Treatment-for-MS.aspx<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archiv\ e/2009/12/15/Interesting-Novel-Surgical-Treatment-for-MS.aspx> All the best, -Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes! Most definitely. There is a good website that has many MS patients who are on a Combined Antibiotic Protocol (CAP), it is CPNhelp.org. There is a doctor in the UK who treated his wife's MS with CAP and she has recovered greatly. His name is Dr. Wheldon. His CAP protocol for MS is posted on the website I mentioned. Also, another doctor, Dr. Stratton, has an MS clinic at Vanderbilt University where they are using and studying CAP protocols for MS. His CAP protocol for MS is also listed on the CPNhelp website. My AP doctor also treats MS patients with combined antibiotic protocols. There is another emerging treatment/procedure for MS that a close friend of mine's brother just had. Here is a link to read about it: http://www.suite101.com/content/chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-in-ms\ -a186273 My friends brother had this procedure two weeks ago, he has seen significant improvements. Good luck helping your friend. Cheryl Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry rheumatic MS A friend of mine has Multiple Sclerosis. She asked if AP treatment could help her. I didn't know what to say. I haven't seen any posts regarding MS so thought I'd ask. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hello, alaskabuffalohunt: MS could be caused or greatly contributed to by Acinetobacter calcoaceticus bacterium; focal infection in nasal cavities. If I had this diagnosis I would provide for elimination of sinus symptoms and sterilize, as much as possible, these tissues. There is some hope in AP. ________________________________ From: alaskabuffalohunt <buffalogal06@...> rheumatic Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 8:29:50 PM Subject: rheumatic MS A friend of mine has Multiple Sclerosis. She asked if AP treatment could help her. I didn't know what to say. I haven't seen any posts regarding MS so thought I'd ask. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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