Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 What did she eat while there? Which vit D and how much? Most vit D is from fish oil, ergocalciferol is not. S S Urgent Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:07 am (PST) we just got back from costa rica 4 days ago. she is really mean. i havent changed a thing since we left. she was doing fine before we left. she has an ear ache from swimming in the pool. i took her to the doctor and he said give high doeses of vit. D for the infection. he said it doesn't look bad. she is so mean and uncontollable. is there anything you can think of. it the infection in her brain, or perhaps she got bitten by a mosquito. i can't control her. ------------------------------------------------------------ Hardwood Floors Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZapjCvZ6deVFpPf9eqpDnS5pDUlIB5vJZlKP6MkbR0Ac8\ Upi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 she has stuck closely to diet. the only thing i added, which i forgot about was flaxseed oil. could there be a reaction to that? On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Shepard Salzer wrote: > Tell us what you're trying for yeast. Is she eating extra sweets > with the upcoming holidays? > S S > > Re: Urgent > Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias > Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:27 am (PST) > the pool water was really clean. i am pretty sure i smelled chlorine. > so perhaps its yeast, but nothing i try is helping. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Home Improvement Projects > Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home > improvement project. > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/ > BK72PcZapvK51HU6fh1fyNek3FzsJ4rglkVluLLPQDY2YUZ0rPMVby/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Tell us what you're trying for yeast. Is she eating extra sweets with the upcoming holidays? S S Re: Urgent Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:27 am (PST) the pool water was really clean. i am pretty sure i smelled chlorine. so perhaps its yeast, but nothing i try is helping. ------------------------------------------------------------ Home Improvement Projects Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZapvK51HU6fh1fyNek3FzsJ4rglkVluLLPQDY2YUZ0rPM\ Vby/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 > > she has stuck closely to diet. the only thing i added, which i forgot > about was flaxseed oil. could there be a reaction to that? My son needed mito cocktail before I could give him any fats. Then I had to preload with EPO before moving to flax, and then I had to give flax for a whie before I could move to fish. So yes, there can be a reaction to flax. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 hi, Dana Are you talking a behavior reaction to flax, similar to yeasty behavior--or something else? > My son needed mito cocktail before I could give him any fats. Then I > had to preload with EPO before moving to flax, and then I had to give > flax for a whie before I could move to fish. So yes, there can be a > reaction to flax. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 no. not yeast. it is way different. On Dec 24, 2008, at 8:13 PM, lioracc wrote: > hi, Dana > > Are you talking a behavior reaction to flax, similar to yeasty > behavior--or something else? > > > My son needed mito cocktail before I could give him any fats. Then I > > had to preload with EPO before moving to flax, and then I had to > give > > flax for a whie before I could move to fish. So yes, there can be a > > reaction to flax. > > > > Dana > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 > hi, Dana > Are you talking a behavior reaction to flax, similar to yeasty > behavior--or something else? Before mito cocktail and preloading, if I gave any fats, my son became mean and aggressive, plus he developed a major ear wax problem. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Dear Madam/Sir, My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her gallbladder. The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day. Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is very big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather make a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. Yours sincerely, Mohammad Ramezani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Mohammad, I am sure that others on this forum will reply with good advice for you. But the flush is considered very safe. Additionally, I don't think that 12mm is considered to be " very big " . 12mm is just less than a half inch in diameter. It is probably more in the " moderate " range. URGENT Dear Madam/Sir, My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her gallbladder. The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day. Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is very big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather make a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. Yours sincerely, Mohammad Ramezani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 The flush will be beneficial and if you have not done so look in to purchasing AF Beta food tablets from standard process - they really work and milk thistle also would be very beneficial Good luck FB On May 11, 2009, at 7:38 AM, Munawar Malik wrote: > My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is > now 85 > and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put > your mother > in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with her > underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush > goes > succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they > will > remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the > stones. > I wish her all the best. > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez <expo.famico@...> > wrote: > >> Dear Madam/Sir, >> >> >> My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her >> gallbladder. >> The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out >> instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice >> every day. >> Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking >> Epsom >> salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the >> gallstones is >> very >> big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would >> rather >> make >> a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. >> >> >> >> Yours sincerely, >> >> Mohammad Ramezani >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 With all due respect, giving herbal stuff that interferes with the underlying medical conditions is probably the best advice someone could give... -D Re: URGENT My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is now 85 and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put your mother in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with her underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush goes succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they will remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the stones. I wish her all the best. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez <expo.famico@...<mailto:expo.famico@...>> wrote: > Dear Madam/Sir, > > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her gallbladder. > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day. > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is > very > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather > make > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Mohammad Ramezani > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Thanks, dave. This is all i wanted to say however, some people look at the surface of the message and do not try to get the dept of it. Considering the age of patient (70 yrs) one should always be careful about doing these flushes etc. I will give you my example. I took Licorice tea once without having the information that it increases the blood pressure and it did and i had to go to emergency. Now i tried the tea for benefits and it turned into a major problem for me. Imagine, giving cups of olive oil, lemon, epsom salts and bla bla bla to a 70 yaers old woman may put her in trouble if she has some underlying medical condition. H1N1 (Human Swine Flu) did not kill the people in Mexico but their underrlying medical conditions could not handle the attack of this virus and they gave their life. So giving herbs to anybody without much information is not safe because herbs are natural does not mean that they are 100% safe. They do interfere with your medical condition and may create probelms. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>wrote: > > > With all due respect, giving herbal stuff that interferes with the > underlying medical conditions is probably the best advice someone could > give... -D > Re: URGENT > > My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is now 85 > and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put your mother > in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with her > underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush goes > succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they will > remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the stones. > I wish her all the best. > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez <expo.famico@...<expo.famico%40gmail.com> > <mailto:expo.famico@... <expo.famico%40gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > Dear Madam/Sir, > > > > > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her > gallbladder. > > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out > > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day. > > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom > > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is > > very > > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather > > make > > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Mohammad Ramezani > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I love interfering with underlying medical conditions herbally. What better things to interfere with than AF beta food and Milk thistle? I was replying to Munawar " s warning below. And again with all due respect. This idea that the prevailing industry has fostered and become to politically control, that their paradigm ($$$) is the only valid path both physically and legally has got my sphincter in a knot... Or could you guess? -D Re: URGENT > > My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is > now 85 > and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put your > mother > in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with her > underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush > goes > succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they > will > remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the > stones. > I wish her all the best. > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez <expo.famico@...<mailto:expo.famico%40gmail.com><mailto:expo.famicogmail (DOT) \ com<mailto:expo.famico%40gmail.com> > >> wrote: > > > Dear Madam/Sir, > > > > > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her > gallbladder. > > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out > > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice > every day. > > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking > Epsom > > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the > gallstones is > > very > > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would > rather > > make > > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Mohammad Ramezani > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Hi Elan, I dont have any objection to what you said in your message. However, at the same time i feel i did not say any thing wrong either. You may interfere with underlying conditions herbally when you know the use of herbs and are aware of the underlying conditions. However, you would never advise a hypertension patient to drink licorice tea. Would you? Nothing is 100% safe, i have no objection to it. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM, elan_spire <elan_spire@...> wrote: > > > Hi Munawar, > > Here are a few excerpts from description of this forum on the home page: > > " Liver cleanse - Gallbladder cleanse - Liver flush - NO surgery, Gallstones > cleanse instead of surgery. " > > " Gallstone flush is the second most important thing someone can do in order > to cure " incurable " and degenerative diseases. " > > " Cleansing the liver of gallstones dramatically improves digestion, which > is the basis of your whole health. " > > Please remember that the purpose of this list is all about helping people > learn ways of healing their bodies naturally through internal cleansing and > detoxification, especially by doing liver flushes, which can be incredibly > effective in supporting the body's own healing wisdom and ability to repair > and regenerate itself. > > > > So giving herbs > > to anybody without much information is not safe because herbs are natural > > does not mean that they are 100% safe. > > What in the world IS 100% safe? > > Clearly it's important for us to do our due diligence before putting > anything into our bodies, including herbs. > > That being said, liver flushes using apple juice, epsom salt, olive oil and > citrus juice don't actually include any herbs per se. Not only that, but if > the protocol is followed correctly, liver flushes can be incredibly > beneficial for just about everyone who does them. And they have a huge track > record because literally hundreds, if not thousands of people have done them > successfully. Many of these people have done numerous flushes and have > experienced profound healing as a result. > > > They do interfere with your medical condition and may create probelms. > > If you want to talk about problems, do a little research on iatrogenic > death statistics. You may be shocked to learn just how many people suffer > and even die every year from iatrogenic complications - that means illness > caused specifically by physicians, hospitals, drugs, and medical procedures. > > Personally my feeling is that if we're suffering from chronic illness, it's > far wiser to do our homework, learn about how the body works, follow natural > approaches that best support our body's own innate ability to heal, and rely > on enhanced nourishment and internal detoxification as the most effective > pathways to healing - than it is to trust in the corrupt, money-driven, > pharmaceutical-run medical industrial establishment to help us get well. > > But that's just me. > > :-) > > Elan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 awar. I could tell a story (happy ending) about licorice and blood pressure. Please keep in mind though that this aspect of licorice is a rare instance of medical warning in regards to medicinal herbs. This is a specific issue dealing with glycerizic (sp?) acid and pertains to licorice and high blood pressure only (you can get DGL licorice). And I am in full agreement with the cautions about a 70 year old. Because herbs are natural does not mean they are safe. Fully agree. But this does not mean they are unsafe either... -D Re: URGENT > > My grand mother removed her gallbladder when she was 77 and she is now 85 > and still living and living happily. I would say, do not to put your mother > in trouble by giving several herbal stuff which may interfere with her > underlying medical conditions. Consider herself lucky If her flush goes > succesful, otherwsie she will defintely end up in emergency and they will > remove the gallbladder. I think epsom salt should help passing the stones. > I wish her all the best. > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Moe Ramez <expo.famico@...<mailto:expo.famico%40gmail.com><expo.famico%40gmail.com> > <mailto:expo.famico@...<mailto:expo.famico%40gmail.com> <expo.famico%40gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > Dear Madam/Sir, > > > > > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her > gallbladder. > > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out > > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every day. > > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking Epsom > > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones is > > very > > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would rather > > make > > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > Mohammad Ramezani > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 This is a site about consulting and sharing each other's experiences and knowledge and saving GB is one part of it. And SAVING does not mean that you start putting other's people life on risk. Remember, we are not naturopaths, doctors or physicians, we can only share our experiences. You have the right to share your experience (good or bad) and comment on it, and i have the right to share my experience (good or bad) and provide comments based on my experience and limited knowledge. If my experience contradicts your experience or knowledge then you should not take it personal. Because we all go through different conditions. Some remedies work with one person and do not work with others and this is very common. Some remedies work better with young people and not work to that extent with older people. Some people have multiple health related issues and some dont so we can not apply the same techniques to every body. We should not prescribe something, rather, we should only say that this is what i used when i was suffering from this and i have these other probelms as well and this is the outcome of my treatment and beaware this may happen as well if you do this and this. You know what i mean? Remember you are not a MECHANIC dealing with CARS , you are dealing with humans so be careful when you advise someone on their health realted issues. It is not as SIMPLE as you think. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote: > > > This is a site about saving your GB. > > > > > > > Dear Madam/Sir, > > > > > > > > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her > > gallbladder. > > > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out > > > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every > day. > > > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking > Epsom > > > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones > is > > > very > > > big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would > rather > > > make > > > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > > Mohammad Ramezani > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 You are both right and lets leave it at that after all we are all in this together and want nothing but the best for everyone koo koo a choo good luck FB On May 11, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Munawar Malik wrote: > Where would you go if you fail to pass the stone succesfully? A > resort to > chill out or Emergency for immediate care. This is all i said. I > said if > your flush goes unsuccesful then you would end up in emergency. > What is > wrong about saying this? His mother is 70 yrs old therefore he must > be > careful while experimenting the flushes on her. You have expelled > stones > larger than water mellons does not mean that others would do the > same. Keep > expelling them out otherwsie your gallbaldder get a big hole (b.coz > u have > bigger stones) and all the stones will end up in your abdomen and > cause > serious complications. One must have the courage to face the truth > and > realities. Focus on giving advice to people who ask for it instead of > finiding mistakes in comments made by other people. In simple > words, mind > your own business. Fair enough? > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> > wrote: > >> >> >> what makes you say " she will end up in emergency " ? That is so >> wrong I do >> not knopw where to start. I have expelled many stones larger than >> 12mm....I >> think fear mongering, however unintentional, is misleading at best... >> >> >> >>> Dear Madam/Sir, >>> >>> >>> My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her >> gallbladder. >>> The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out >>> instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice >>> every day. >>> Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking >>> Epsom >>> salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the >>> gallstones is >>> very >>> big (12mm). Isn’t it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would >>> rather >>> make >>> a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> >>> Mohammad Ramezani >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 As both Jay and Elan have pointed out, this is a gallbladder support group. You cannot support an organ that does not exist. Unless you are talking about buying it a fancy urn. So Jay has been expressing his opinion on how best to keep it, and then keep it in the best health possible. While the woman in question is in her seventies, attempting natural support is hardly putting her life or health at risk (she is already there). At the very worst she has an attack and goes to the hospital and has it removed. It would seem to me that starting by going to the hospital and having it removed would be going straight to the very worst. Think we can probably through out the doctors and physicians (same thing) right off the bat because all the seem to offer is the very worst option to begin with. Pardon me but the naturopathic education is quite limited. So this group is here for those who would entertain less invasive measures to begin with. And advise is what we are all here for. I for one like to have a two sided debate regarding keeping/removing and value your input Munawar. But I also value Jay's viewpoint and when there is disagreement, it should be aired in the open. In the Chinese model, the liver and gallbladder are the organs of anger and frustration. This seems to me to be quite true from my experience. We even have a western saying, " that person has a lot of gall " ... So getting worked up and taking things personal is probably not the healthiest thing for anyone little organ or not (those who have removed the gallbladder still have a liver). And in a lot of ways good health is a lot simpler that we think. " an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure " , " you are what you eat " , " an apple a day keeps the doctor away " , " first do no harm " , are all real good advice and we learned these as small children. did we live it? (does your doctor follow the last in practice?)... Does your doctor talk to you about proper diet and lifestyle before you have a gallbladder problem? Blessed be everyone with and without their organs, -D Re: URGENT This is a site about consulting and sharing each other's experiences and knowledge and saving GB is one part of it. And SAVING does not mean that you start putting other's people life on risk. Remember, we are not naturopaths, doctors or physicians, we can only share our experiences. You have the right to share your experience (good or bad) and comment on it, and i have the right to share my experience (good or bad) and provide comments based on my experience and limited knowledge. If my experience contradicts your experience or knowledge then you should not take it personal. Because we all go through different conditions. Some remedies work with one person and do not work with others and this is very common. Some remedies work better with young people and not work to that extent with older people. Some people have multiple health related issues and some dont so we can not apply the same techniques to every body. We should not prescribe something, rather, we should only say that this is what i used when i was suffering from this and i have these other probelms as well and this is the outcome of my treatment and beaware this may happen as well if you do this and this. You know what i mean? Remember you are not a MECHANIC dealing with CARS , you are dealing with humans so be careful when you advise someone on their health realted issues. It is not as SIMPLE as you think. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...<mailto:jgrosflam@...>> wrote: > > > This is a site about saving your GB. > > > > > > > Dear Madam/Sir, > > > > > > > > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her > > gallbladder. > > > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out > > > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every > day. > > > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking > Epsom > > > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones > is > > > very > > > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would > rather > > > make > > > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > > Mohammad Ramezani > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I would take the advise of and not argue any further. Bless you all. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>wrote: > > > As both Jay and Elan have pointed out, this is a gallbladder support group. > You cannot support an organ that does not exist. Unless you are talking > about buying it a fancy urn. So Jay has been expressing his opinion on how > best to keep it, and then keep it in the best health possible. While the > woman in question is in her seventies, attempting natural support is hardly > putting her life or health at risk (she is already there). At the very worst > she has an attack and goes to the hospital and has it removed. It would seem > to me that starting by going to the hospital and having it removed would be > going straight to the very worst. Think we can probably through out the > doctors and physicians (same thing) right off the bat because all the seem > to offer is the very worst option to begin with. Pardon me but the > naturopathic education is quite limited. So this group is here for those who > would entertain less invasive measures to begin with. And advise is what we > are all here for. I for one like to have a two sided debate regarding > keeping/removing and value your input Munawar. But I also value Jay's > viewpoint and when there is disagreement, it should be aired in the open. In > the Chinese model, the liver and gallbladder are the organs of anger and > frustration. This seems to me to be quite true from my experience. We even > have a western saying, " that person has a lot of gall " ... So getting worked > up and taking things personal is probably not the healthiest thing for > anyone little organ or not (those who have removed the gallbladder still > have a liver). And in a lot of ways good health is a lot simpler that we > think. " an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure " , " you are what you > eat " , " an apple a day keeps the doctor away " , " first do no harm " , are all > real good advice and we learned these as small children. did we live it? > (does your doctor follow the last in practice?)... Does your doctor talk to > you about proper diet and lifestyle before you have a gallbladder problem? > Blessed be everyone with and without their organs, -D > Re: URGENT > > This is a site about consulting and sharing each other's experiences and > knowledge and saving GB is one part of it. And SAVING does not mean that > you > start putting other's people life on risk. Remember, we are not > naturopaths, doctors or physicians, we can only share our experiences. You > have the right to share your experience (good or bad) and comment on it, > and > i have the right to share my experience (good or bad) and provide comments > based on my experience and limited knowledge. If my experience contradicts > your experience or knowledge then you should not take it personal. > Because we all go through different conditions. Some remedies work with one > person and do not work with others and this is very common. Some remedies > work better with young people and not work to that extent with older > people. Some people have multiple health related issues and some dont so we > can not apply the same techniques to every body. We should not prescribe > something, rather, we should only say that this is what i used when i was > suffering from this and i have these other probelms as well and this is the > outcome of my treatment and beaware this may happen as well if you do this > and this. You know what i mean? Remember you are not a MECHANIC dealing > with CARS , you are dealing with humans so be careful when you advise > someone on their health realted issues. It is not as SIMPLE as you think. > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...<jgrosflam%40> > <mailto:jgrosflam@... <jgrosflam%40>>> wrote: > > > > > > > This is a site about saving your GB. > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam/Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > My mother is 70 years old and has plenty of gallstones in her > > > gallbladder. > > > > The biggest one is 12mm. We have followed the natural flushing out > > > > instruction for 6 days drinking 6 glasses of green apple juice every > > day. > > > > Today is the 7th day and she wants to take the final step drinking > > Epsom > > > > salt and olive oil. But we are worried because one of the gallstones > > is > > > > very > > > > big (12mm). Isn't it dangerous? If there is any danger, we would > > rather > > > > make > > > > a surgery and remove the whole gallbladder. Please advice urgently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > > > > Mohammad Ramezani > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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