Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 If your urine is still really dark, you have yellow pale skin and whites of your eyes are yellow and stool is clay color then i must warn you that you are not doing good to youreself. You should immediatly go and see a surgeon. In the meantime try i table spoon of extra virgin olive oil with same amount of fresh lemon juice and take it on empty stomach and do the same before going to bed. Drink A LOT of apple juice (pure juice) as much as you can that would help soften the stone. However, i would still suggest that you should see your surgeon ASAP and do another blood work ASAP to see the current situation as dealing with such situation so casually is dangerous. I wish you all the best. Munawar On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:06 AM, scootzy <lucyvanpelt9@...> wrote: > Hi All- > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a > stone in my bile duct. > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that > either! > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of > information out of my doctor. > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hi , how elevated is your bilirubin? You can definitely flush stones that are in the duct but you must also be careful. the elevated bilirubin does not necessarily translate to stones in the duct though either. Any history of HEP? Magnesium in quantity may relax the duct enough even before a flush. Malic acid and lecithin might help immediately as well. Getting some cold pressed oil in may also help to lubricate. The fact that you are not in pain is an exceptionally good thing. You probably have much time to deal with this naturally. If you start to turn yellow, get more concerned. Because you have stones also does not equate into this being the main problem. Did they do a liver panel besides the bilirubin? enzyme levels? there should be a paper copy of the ultrasound available. Needle them till they give you one and show you your stones and where they are. Depending on the scope of the area it may include the common bile duct in which case you may be able to determine more. All the best, -D New - Stone in duct? Hi All- I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a stone in my bile duct. I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that either! They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of information out of my doctor. Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a duct would be greatly appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thanks for responding Dave. A few weeks ago my bilirubin counts were total at 2.0 (range of 0.2-1.2) and direct at 0.4 (range <- 0.2). Last month I had the complete liver panel done and my AST/ALT numbers were off the charts (AST 158 with range of 10-30 and ALT 300 with range of 6-40!) but at my most recent test the AST/ALT numbers have settled back into normal range (AST 19, ALT 26). I have no history of major illness, I was diagnosed with Graves Disease back in the 90's but have since been in remission. I also had IBS during my college years, but that doesn't seem to bother me much now. I would like to get some of the lecithin as I have read the many benefits of it on this list! I'm definitely going to press for the ultrasound results. I actually have an in-law who is a radiologist, but I was told they are not permitted to look at my records. I'm going to keep pushing on that one, because knowing the location/size of the stone(s) would really help with my anxiety level! I will stay tuned to the list for more great advice. Thanks! > > Hi , how elevated is your bilirubin? You can definitely flush stones that are in the duct but you must also be careful. the elevated bilirubin does not necessarily translate to stones in the duct though either. Any history of HEP? Magnesium in quantity may relax the duct enough even before a flush. Malic acid and lecithin might help immediately as well. Getting some cold pressed oil in may also help to lubricate. The fact that you are not in pain is an exceptionally good thing. You probably have much time to deal with this naturally. If you start to turn yellow, get more concerned. Because you have stones also does not equate into this being the main problem. Did they do a liver panel besides the bilirubin? enzyme levels? there should be a paper copy of the ultrasound available. Needle them till they give you one and show you your stones and where they are. Depending on the scope of the area it may include the common bile duct in which case you may be able to determine more. All the best, -D > New - Stone in duct? > > > Hi All- > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a > stone in my bile duct. > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that > either! > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of > information out of my doctor. > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Judging from the change in your AST/ALT results it looks like the crisis is over. This means you probably have a lot of leeway on attempting some less invasive means than the docs are saying. Going full tilt at your liver and bile production even before a flush, watching carefully, might be advantageous. You want thin weak bile in large quantities. Believe it or not, large quantities of cold pressed oils, any of the cold draining liver herbs (because of your history of IBS you are most likely of a " hot body " type) like chancha piedra, Buplureum, Golden coin grass, coptis, would help. and again, lecithin, malic acid in one form or another (apples are great if you can handle the quantity), lot's of water, all important. If you were to choose this work on slowly an monitor your symptoms. What kind of treatment for the Graves? If you are here in the US you can pick up a copy of you scans anytime, no matter what they say. They may charge you for them but if you say you are getting them for a second opinion, they most likely will just hand them to you. These are your records. I would probably get a bit testy if they attempted to disallow access. All the best, -D New - Stone in duct? > > > Hi All- > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a > stone in my bile duct. > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that > either! > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of > information out of my doctor. > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hi Dave, You were right. I just met with my family doctor to discuss the results of my GI series test and they found a 3mm duodenal bulb ulcer and thickened gastric mucosa. My gallstones are probably silent so far. I have cancelled my appointment with the surgeon. They took my blood for another test H. Pylori bacteria kind of thing. In 2 weeks time i shall get the results. Any input on duodenal ulcer will be highly appreciated. Thanks, Munawar On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>wrote: > Hi , how elevated is your bilirubin? You can definitely flush > stones that are in the duct but you must also be careful. the elevated > bilirubin does not necessarily translate to stones in the duct though > either. Any history of HEP? Magnesium in quantity may relax the duct enough > even before a flush. Malic acid and lecithin might help immediately as well. > Getting some cold pressed oil in may also help to lubricate. The fact that > you are not in pain is an exceptionally good thing. You probably have much > time to deal with this naturally. If you start to turn yellow, get more > concerned. Because you have stones also does not equate into this being the > main problem. Did they do a liver panel besides the bilirubin? enzyme > levels? there should be a paper copy of the ultrasound available. Needle > them till they give you one and show you your stones and where they are. > Depending on the scope of the area it may include the common bile duct in > which case you may be able to determine more. All the best, -D > > New - Stone in duct? > > Hi All- > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a > stone in my bile duct. > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that > either! > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of > information out of my doctor. > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hi Munuwar, I am so glad to hear this. not that you are suffering but that you now know the true cause of your discomfort and that this should be pretty easy to deal with in comparison. almost all ulcers are caused by h pylori. This was finally admitted by the medical community only several years ago and also only after the Dr. Who purported it was derided and ostracized for his theory. To prove his point he drank a slurry of h pylori, was vomiting blood a little while later, took an antibiotic, and returned to normal. This is what it took. He received the Nobel in medicine for this I believe 3 years ago... things that kill h. pylori: Mastic gum (forget the ayurvedic name) has been shown in test after test to be spectacular. Licorice root. Not only kills h pylori but is turning out to be as anti inflammatory and liver protective as tumeric. Demulcent and tissue healing. Slippery elm, marshmallow root, and aloe gel/juice are fantastic. For the discomfort, and this may send your doctor through the roof but it works believe it or not, cayenne pepper! Care and work into slowly if you are brave enough to use. It can be an irritant but the capsaisin is an anodyne (pain killer), stops bleeding, and is tissue healing. An old treatment for cutting yourself is to pour it into the wound... Stay away from all NSAIDs like tylenol, aspirin, etc. they all are very destructive to the mucosal lining. Corydalis root usually works pretty good as a specific pain killer. All the best, you are now on the road to recovery... Always, in all ways, -Dave New - Stone in duct? > > Hi All- > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a > stone in my bile duct. > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that > either! > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of > information out of my doctor. > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Thanks Dave for a wonderful response. I appreciate it. You know what happened to me. I have been complaining about pain and burning sensation in upper abdomen and my family doctor was relating it to gallstones and then he said i probably have inflammation of rib cage and he gave me apo-neproxen which destroys a healthy stomach as well. Now with a ulcer already in there i took apo-neproxen for two weeks so you can imagine what would have happened with my stomach. I literraly forced him to do GI series and H-pylori test otherwsie he was not listening to me at all and continiously forcing me to go and take out my gallbladder, i am glad i did not listen to him. Yesterday when i met with him and told him that look this is what i was telling you and you were not listening and then he was avoiding looking into my eyes. Thanks to internet and forums like these that provide an opportunity to a common man like me to investigate the health related issue and deal with them successfully. I have gallstones, no doubt about but but they are silnet stones and i am already taking steps to dissolve them or flush them out. However, i have to dael with mu ulcer first. I am using marshmallow root these days and i am going to meet my naturopath tomoorow and see what he tells. You are right about the doctor, he was Australian and he actually experimented things on him to prove the existence of H-pylori. Thanks to dedicated people like him. Dave, i appreciate your help and i shall keep you posted with developments. god Bless! Munawar On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@... > wrote: > Hi Munuwar, > > I am so glad to hear this. not that you are suffering but that you now know > the true cause of your discomfort and that this should be pretty easy to > deal with in comparison. almost all ulcers are caused by h pylori. This was > finally admitted by the medical community only several years ago and also > only after the Dr. Who purported it was derided and ostracized for his > theory. To prove his point he drank a slurry of h pylori, was vomiting blood > a little while later, took an antibiotic, and returned to normal. This is > what it took. He received the Nobel in medicine for this I believe 3 years > ago... things that kill h. pylori: Mastic gum (forget the ayurvedic name) > has been shown in test after test to be spectacular. Licorice root. Not only > kills h pylori but is turning out to be as anti inflammatory and liver > protective as tumeric. Demulcent and tissue healing. Slippery elm, > marshmallow root, and aloe gel/juice are fantastic. For the discomfort, and > this may send your doctor through the roof but it works believe it or not, > cayenne pepper! Care and work into slowly if you are brave enough to use. It > can be an irritant but the capsaisin is an anodyne (pain killer), stops > bleeding, and is tissue healing. An old treatment for cutting yourself is to > pour it into the wound... Stay away from all NSAIDs like tylenol, aspirin, > etc. they all are very destructive to the mucosal lining. Corydalis root > usually works pretty good as a specific pain killer. All the best, you are > now on the road to recovery... > > Always, in all ways, > > -Dave > New - Stone in duct? > > > > Hi All- > > > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done > > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed > > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound > > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the > > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since > > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) > > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a > > stone in my bile duct. > > > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone > > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust > > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. > > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone > > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that > > either! > > > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or > > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of > > information out of my doctor. > > > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a > > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Colloidal silver taken several times per day. Boy am I glad to hear you did not have your gall bladder out unnecessarily. I do have mine out and I know it was a mistake. As I still do liver cleanses and still pass stones and sludge. I wish I knew then what I know now. Munawar Rasheed wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > You were right. I just met with my family doctor to discuss the results of > my GI series test and they found a 3mm duodenal bulb ulcer and thickened > gastric mucosa. My gallstones are probably silent so far. I have cancelled > my appointment with the surgeon. They took my blood for another test H. > Pylori bacteria kind of thing. In 2 weeks time i shall get the results. > > Any input on duodenal ulcer will be highly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Munawar > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Dave Shelden > <wholehealthawareness@... > <mailto:wholehealthawareness%40msn.com>>wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Munawar, you are not a common man... the common man would already have had his gallbladder out. this group is filled with uncommon people. Bless yo, and bless them all... -D New - Stone in duct? > > > > Hi All- > > > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still haven't done > > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was misdiagnosed > > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an ultrasound > > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given the > > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain since > > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and total) > > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due to a > > stone in my bile duct. > > > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a stone > > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to exhaust > > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the surgeon. > > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the stone > > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want that > > either! > > > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many or > > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that kind of > > information out of my doctor. > > > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially blocking a > > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Munawar I hope you are looking for a new doctor! continued good luck FB On Feb 2, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Dave Shelden wrote: > Munawar, you are not a common man... the common man would already > have had his gallbladder out. this group is filled with uncommon > people. Bless yo, and bless them all... -D > New - Stone in duct? > > > > > > Hi All- > > > > > > I've been following the list for a month now, but I still > haven't done > > > the flush. I've only had one attack, last month, and was > misdiagnosed > > > at 2 ER's until my urine was very dark. Only then was an > ultrasound > > > suggested, where gallstones were found. I was immediately given > the > > > name of a surgeon and directed to make an appointment. > > > > > > I still haven't called the surgeon and I haven't been in pain > since > > > that one night. My problem now is that my bilirubin (direct and > total) > > > is still elevated. From what I've read, I'm thinking this is due > to a > > > stone in my bile duct. > > > > > > I'm trying the apple juice, the ACV...I eat a pretty decent diet. > > > I've been off of meat for over a year, no caffeine/sodas/partially > > > hydrogenated in my diet, and I'm not overweight. Can I pass a > stone > > > that's already in the duct with the flush? I really want to > exhaust > > > all my possibilities of healing on my own before calling the > surgeon. > > > My doctor mentioned that the surgeon may try to go in after the > stone > > > instead of taking out the gallbladder, but I really don't want > that > > > either! > > > > > > They were very vague about the ultrasound. I don't know how many > or > > > the size of the stones that were seen. I would like to get more > > > information on that, but it's like pulling teeth getting that > kind of > > > information out of my doctor. > > > > > > Any ideas/suggestions on what to do with a stone partially > blocking a > > > duct would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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