Re: Re: somewhat off topic: practical question

September 2, 2009

Elan,

What you have written is simply brilliant and so compassionate. Why then are

states so reticent to allow raw milk that has been tested? I for one love dairy

products even though they are said by many to be unhealthy.

From: elan_spire <elan_spire@...>

Subject: Re: somewhat off topic: practical question

gallstones

Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 2:17 PM

--- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " ontarioguy2334 " <ontarioguy2334@ ...>

wrote:

>

> I would avoid dairy, it can cause very common inflammitory reactions which can

only make things worse for the gb.

> www.notmilk. com

>

> B

>

One of the biggest problem with the vast majority of conventional dairy products

available today is that they're utterly unnatural. That's due in large part to

the fact that these products are pasteurized and homogonized. Pasteurization and

homogenization denature milk destroying its beneficial enzyme and

bacteriological content.

Another huge reason conventional dairy products are so unhealthy and unnatural

is because they're derived from factory farmed animals that are extremely

stressed their entire lives. As a result, factory farmed animals are often

terribly unhealthy.

The sad fact is that factory farmed animals are cruelly confined and often

forced to stand for long periods of time in their own wastes. They're fed

inappropriate foods like genetically modified corn and soy, they're routinely

given antibiotics and synthetic hormones, and they're never allowed to graze and

roam freely on green grassy pastures the way nature intended for them to.

Raw dairy products from animals that are allowed to free range and graze on

green grass, on the other hand, are entirely different from conventional dairy

products. Raw milk from grass fed animals, especially if those animals are

raised on organic pastures and are hormone, drug and GMO free, is a natural,

extremely nutrient dense food that human beings have been consuming for eons.

Butter, cheese, yogurt, kefir and cream derived from the raw milk of grass fed

animals are some of the most nourishing foods on the planet, and people all over

the world have successfully eaten these nutrient rich foods for a very long time

indeed.

Many people who are lactose intolerant find they can consume raw dairy products

with no problem. People allergic to conventional dairy likewise are often

surprised to find that they have no allergic reactions when consuming raw dairy.

Check out these sites for more information on the many health benefits of

consuming raw dairy products from grass fed animals:

http://www.realmilk .com/

http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/

http://www.rawmilk. org/default. php

http://www.westonap rice.org/ splash_2. htm

September 2, 2009

Elan

you make a series of excellent points in highlighting how the vast

majority of our dairy products come from an industry that is abusing

the animals in so many ways and passing that off to us. One thing you

all may want to consider is that by continuing to purchase these dairy

products from these commercial enterprises we are part- rather each

individual who consumes - YOU- are part of the problem and are helping

these commercial enterprises.

Also I like dairy but stay away from it as much as possible because

cow's milk is for baby cows and human babies up to the age of 5 and

not after and although many of us believe we have no side effects from

consuming them our digestive system will not properly digest the

milk. Here is a blurb on the subject and the net has a number of

sites on the subject - just google " digest milk "

SAN FRANCISCO — Got milk? If you do, take a moment to ponder the true

oddness of being able to drink milk after you're a baby.

No other species but humans can. And most humans can't either.

The long lists of food allergies some people claim to have can make it

seem as if they're just finicky eaters trying to rationalize likes and

dislikes. Not so. Eggs, peanuts, tree nuts, fish, shellfish soy and

gluten all can wreak havoc on the immune system of allergic

individuals, even causing a deadly reaction called anaphylaxis.

But those allergic reactions are relatively rare, affecting an

estimated 4% of adults.

Milk's different.

First off, most people who have bad reactions to milk aren't actually

allergic to it, in that it's not their immune system that's reponding

to the milk.

Instead, people who are lactose intolerant can't digest the main sugar

—lactose— found in milk. In normal humans, the enzyme that does so —

lactase— stops being produced when the person is between two and five

years old. The undigested sugars end up in the colon, where they begin

to ferment, producing gas that can cause cramping, bloating, nausea,

flatulence and diarrhea.

If you're American or European it's hard to realize this, but being

able to digest milk as an adult is one weird genetic adaptation.

It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain

the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often

given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African

and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of

northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages

oflactase tolerant people.

Being able to digest milk is so strange that scientists say we

shouldn't really call lactose intolerance a disease, because that

presumes it's abnormal. Instead, they call it lactase persistence,

indicating what's really weird is the ability to continue to drink milk.

here is a clip from an article - you can read the entire piece here

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

Good luck

On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:47 AM, LSapar wrote:

> Elan,

> What you have written is simply brilliant and so compassionate. Why

> then are states so reticent to allow raw milk that has been tested?

> I for one love dairy products even though they are said by many to

> be unhealthy.

>

> From: elan_spire <elan_spire@...>

> Subject: Re: somewhat off topic: practical question

> gallstones

> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 2:17 PM

>

> >

> > I would avoid dairy, it can cause very common inflammitory

> reactions which can only make things worse for the gb.

> > www.notmilk. com

> >

> > B

> >

>

> One of the biggest problem with the vast majority of conventional

> dairy products available today is that they're utterly unnatural.

> That's due in large part to the fact that these products are

> pasteurized and homogonized. Pasteurization and homogenization

> denature milk destroying its beneficial enzyme and bacteriological

> content.

>

> Another huge reason conventional dairy products are so unhealthy and

> unnatural is because they're derived from factory farmed animals

> that are extremely stressed their entire lives. As a result, factory

> farmed animals are often terribly unhealthy.

>

> The sad fact is that factory farmed animals are cruelly confined and

> often forced to stand for long periods of time in their own wastes.

> They're fed inappropriate foods like genetically modified corn and

> soy, they're routinely given antibiotics and synthetic hormones, and

> they're never allowed to graze and roam freely on green grassy

> pastures the way nature intended for them to.

>

> Raw dairy products from animals that are allowed to free range and

> graze on green grass, on the other hand, are entirely different from

> conventional dairy products. Raw milk from grass fed animals,

> especially if those animals are raised on organic pastures and are

> hormone, drug and GMO free, is a natural, extremely nutrient dense

> food that human beings have been consuming for eons. Butter, cheese,

> yogurt, kefir and cream derived from the raw milk of grass fed

> animals are some of the most nourishing foods on the planet, and

> people all over the world have successfully eaten these nutrient

> rich foods for a very long time indeed.

>

> Many people who are lactose intolerant find they can consume raw

> dairy products with no problem. People allergic to conventional

> dairy likewise are often surprised to find that they have no

> allergic reactions when consuming raw dairy.

>

> Check out these sites for more information on the many health

> benefits of consuming raw dairy products from grass fed animals:

>

> http://www.realmilk .com/

>

> http://www.raw- milk-facts. com/

>

> http://www.rawmilk. org/default. php

>

> http://www.westonap rice.org/ splash_2. htm

>

September 2, 2009

Well said! We've been drinking raw goat's milk for years. No problems here. Raw

milk is full of good things that get removed in the processing. Raw milk is not

allowed to be sold, because of political reasons (control of the food supply,

placating " Big Agriculture " ), but their excuse is that it is dangerous. It's

true, there are diseases that can be passed, and contamination that can occur,

but these are rare. Humanity drank raw milk for thousands of years, with

sanitary practices that were greatly inferior to what we now have. Had there

been a big die-off of people from it, they would have stopped.

AMDG,

Colleen K.

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September 2, 2009

Love these posts. Thanks Elan for starting, all the rest for the continuation.

I believe that like in the vast majority of large industry that control,

especially for contrived reason, is of great economic benefit. All they have to

do is influence regulation advantageous towards them, and continue eating the

companies that are unable to comply or in this instance get regulated out of

business. Look at what the Massachusetts' house just passed for mandatory

vaccination... People who have an allergy to one of the proteins can sometimes

be relieved by supplementing with an appropriate protease enzyme. Those who are

lactose intolerant are sometimes relieved by an enzyme supplement containing

lactase, an amylase enzyme for splitting lactose. We produce lactase for

approximately first 3 years of life to break down the lactose in our Mother's

milk. And then the production tapers off. Different people and different

cultures (genetic lines) then produce varying amounts as life goes on. Those of

oriental decent very often quit producing all, making dairy very hard for them.

Ghee is a fabulous fat. When you make ghee (clarified butter, all the proteins

and other solids are either filtered or precipitated out. The older the ghee,

the better it is considered. There are hundred year old barrels of ghee. The

smoke point of butter is a little over 200 degrees Fahrenheit, the smoke point

of ghee after the solids are out, over 500! This makes it a fantastic cooking

oil by the way. In the processing by homogenization, a very damaging enzyme is

released called xanthine(sp?) oxidase, this is not true of raw milk though. The

fermentation of lactose is also a beautiful thing. It not only make for a rich

variety of wonderful foods like cheeses (the harder(older) the cheese the less

lactose is left; so some lactose intolerant will not be effected) or yogurt,

but feeds wonderful probiotics such as lactobacillus; please notice the name of

the little buggers. Viva the consumption of certain dairy for those who can

tolerate, and may those who cannot, find the solution in which they can.

Always, in all ways, -Dave

Re: somewhat off topic: practical question

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40>

> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 2:17 PM

>

> --- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " ontarioguy2334 " <ontarioguy2334@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > I would avoid dairy, it can cause very common inflammitory reactions which

can only make things worse for the gb.

> > www.notmilk. com

> >

> > B

> >

>

> One of the biggest problem with the vast majority of conventional dairy

products available today is that they're utterly unnatural. That's due in large

part to the fact that these products are pasteurized and homogonized.

Pasteurization and homogenization denature milk destroying its beneficial enzyme

and bacteriological content.

>

> Another huge reason conventional dairy products are so unhealthy and

unnatural is because they're derived from factory farmed animals that are

extremely stressed their entire lives. As a result, factory farmed animals are

often terribly unhealthy.

>

> The sad fact is that factory farmed animals are cruelly confined and often

forced to stand for long periods of time in their own wastes. They're fed

inappropriate foods like genetically modified corn and soy, they're routinely

given antibiotics and synthetic hormones, and they're never allowed to graze and

roam freely on green grassy pastures the way nature intended for them to.

>

> Raw dairy products from animals that are allowed to free range and graze on

green grass, on the other hand, are entirely different from conventional dairy

products. Raw milk from grass fed animals, especially if those animals are

raised on organic pastures and are hormone, drug and GMO free, is a natural,

extremely nutrient dense food that human beings have been consuming for eons.

Butter, cheese, yogurt, kefir and cream derived from the raw milk of grass fed

animals are some of the most nourishing foods on the planet, and people all over

the world have successfully eaten these nutrient rich foods for a very long time

indeed.

>

> Many people who are lactose intolerant find they can consume raw dairy

products with no problem. People allergic to conventional dairy likewise are

often surprised to find that they have no allergic reactions when consuming raw

dairy.

>

> Check out these sites for more information on the many health benefits of

consuming raw dairy products from grass fed animals:

>

> http://www.realmilk<http://www.realmilk/> .com/

>

> http://www.raw-<http://www.raw-/> milk-facts. com/

>

> http://www.rawmilk.<http://www.rawmilk./> org/default. php

>

> http://www.westonap<http://www.westonap/> rice.org/ splash_2. htm

>

September 2, 2009

I love ghee..

How does Ghee affect the gallbladder? Is it as good as olive oil or hard to

digest?

Odile

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September 2, 2009

Great post too . I use to be on the " dairy not for humans after the age of

5 " wagon, but am no longer. Humans have been consuming dairy products from a

large variety of mammals for almost as long as when we left a hunter gatherer

society. There are still several indigenous cultures where dairy is by far the

staple of their diets. The Masi and Laplander's come to mind. While there may

be no other species of mammal that continues to consume mammalry secretions

after infancy, I am quite sure that many would if they were capable of figuring

out a way. Cat's in the barn are a prime example. Hard to picture a primate

passing up the chance given the intellect to do so. While the article below is

quite correct about cramping and bloating, this is due to the flora and fauna of

the consuming organism, not the dairy itself. If a healthy bacterial colony is

present, the lactose is feeding the good guys, not the bad. Again, as in my

other post, this is why foods like yogurt may be so healthy is the colony of

beneficial bacteria present. The article below also makes a good argument for

humans evolving specifically to consume it as a food source by the percentages

of lactose tolerance in different cultures. The problem with this would be that

evolution to, would lend towards lactose intolrance being almost universal at

the beginning of the " dairy consuming evolutionary process " , making it highly

unlikely that it would have gone past the point of experimentation in the

beginning due to all the unpleasant effects that all would have suffered. There

is great reason to not consume the majority of " dairy " products on the market,

but less reason for some. -Dave

Re: somewhat off topic: practical question

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 2:17 PM

>

> >

> > I would avoid dairy, it can cause very common inflammitory

> reactions which can only make things worse for the gb.

> > www.notmilk<http://www.notmilk/>. com